Return to: Home | Politics

271 comments from readers

BlairSupporter
18 December 2008 at 12:13

Dream on, Pilger!

Though yes, I agree. St Tony might rise again from the dead - even before 2010. That'll keep you tapping away for another year in your vain attempt.

Rossa
18 December 2008 at 21:01

£12 million since he went? what an empty shell of a man, I am remembering when he was interviewed for the job by Murdoch you knew he was a yes man and only in it for the pound sterling, socialist? like hell he was, his grandmother must be spinning in her grave.

JC3
19 December 2008 at 01:49

Well I've taken note and I'll see what I can do. But the question is, young Johnny, have you yourself been naughty or nice? jijijiji.

JC3
19 December 2008 at 01:54

And you still haven't told us who the bloody hell came third in that poll at top right of this page!!!! C'mon, John. Fair's fair.

gnuneo
19 December 2008 at 06:54

Mid-April: Israel formally accepts the right of Palestine to exist, from the UN-mandated Green Line, and starts to pump in billions to support local cooperatives and build the Palestinian infrastructure, helped by the returnees from the EU and elsewhere.

Mid-June. The entire group of Non-Aligned Nations leave the UN in protest at the UNSC veto, and universally places full sanctions upon the developed/warfare-making nations until they agree to modify/lose the veto, so a majority vote can override a veto of measures to curb the superpowers' behaviour.

Mid-Aug. Beer gets cheaper.

cosmoos
19 December 2008 at 13:20

In June the UN votes to make tax havens illegal.The extremely wealthy seriously think of ways to settle off planet.

A universal ban on cluster bombs and land mines is agreed in Geneva in September.

Cybertiger
19 December 2008 at 17:20

"The extremely wealthy seriously think of ways to settle off planet."

I understand Dubya is to make the planet Mars his retirement haven.

PS. It's only 31 days till the daft critter blasts off - praise the Lord!

Nilsey105
19 December 2008 at 17:27

Early February

Gordon Brown announces a further £250 billion be pumped into the banking sector as collapse is immanent.

Mid March.

Banks tell Gordon Brown they have had enough and surrender. Brown sells the entire UK banking sector, except the CO-OP bank to a conglomerate from Georgia.

May

Brown is impeached for accepting free gas for life from Georgian Governmant. David Miliband wants to know why he didnt get a share of the free gas.

michaelpetek
19 December 2008 at 19:56

October: A coup in Baghdad restores the Ba'ath Party to power. US forces are encircled and annihilated.

Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, Saddam Hussein's deputy and successor, declares himself President of the Republic and Chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council.

Mass executions follow. Ex-Prime Minister al-Maliki's corpse is dragged through the streets of Baghdad to the cheers of elated crowds.

John Pilger declares: 'Iraq has found her soul!'

michaelpetek
19 December 2008 at 20:15

November: George Galloway defects to Iraq and declares that he will devote the rest of his life to the service of the Revolution.

May 2010: George Galloway is found dead of jackboot-polish poisoning.

gnuneo
19 December 2008 at 20:51

September: somebody finally explains to michaelpetek that actually the Iraqis LOATHED Saddam Hussein, and that the 'insurgency' is not to bring back the Baathists, but to get rid of the foreign occupiers.

and i suspect you would be hard pressed to find Pilger supporting the Baathists anyway, in fact he was being critical of them whilst most Western Govts were busy handing them WMD. But hey - everything can be rounded down to 'thesis, antithesis, and synthesis', right?

"my enemy is the friend of my enemy". Even primary school kids can spot the logical error in that.

Nilsey: ROTFLMAO :D

BlairSupporter
20 December 2008 at 00:14

August 2009: Lauren Booth moves in with Ahmadinejad and apologises to her children for the fact that she might not see them for another 30 years or so.

They understand. After all, it takes a little time to destroy the west.

Their Mum's game though.

Fair game.

BlairSupporter
20 December 2008 at 00:23

October 2009: The Tories and the Lib Dems form a coalition government. Brown is banished to Fife where the natives feed him to Salmond. And all journalists are ordered to attend journalist college to learn how to REPORT the news.

Mr Cameron-Clegg said in stereo:

"There are already too many know-all little bloggers and journos on the internet. We need a few professionals who've left their political agendas where they belong - inside their tiny brains."

November 2009: The Daily Mail & New Statesman combine to launch a campaign to circumvent the constitution and bring back Tony Blair, the freedom-fighting former PM.

Tony Blair tells them to get st****d.

michaelpetek
20 December 2008 at 04:59

gnuneo, I wouldn't be hard pressed to find Pilger supporting anyone who isn't anti-American.

Stan Rosenthal
20 December 2008 at 18:19

June 2009: A new verb is intr0duced into the English language, "To pilger" meaning to grossly distort and exaggerate a political issue with a view to causing maximum hatred.

Camus
20 December 2008 at 18:46

So. 'Special forces ... do the kind of special forces dirty work ... Now just what were you thinking of here Mr. Pilger?

BlairSupporter
20 December 2008 at 20:46

September 2010. After the Brown government had handed over our security to the Americans, via the sale of the nuclear deterrent in December 2008, the Tory/Lib Dem coalition decide it's time to sell of the journalists too.

Sadly there are no offers.

So they decide to sell off the voters to the USA instead. The Americans accept, so ensuring that Obama stays president for two terms, while the Tory/Lib Dem coalition gets on with running the country without too much interference from the electorate.

The Daily Mail, New Statesman et al are still begging Mr Blair to return to save us and bring back their readers.

This time Blair is less patient.

He tells them to *u** off.

BlairSupporter
20 December 2008 at 20:54

October 2009:

Things are getting desperate. The Tories are split over the EU - no, fancy that! The LibDems are split over PR now that Labour has imploded and they can have a real crack at the two-party system.

But then they both realise - there's not a voter left worth their salt. Oh yes, there's Gorgeous George. No, not a voter let worth their salt.

So they implore Blair to return and vote for one of them.

He agrees provided whichever he chooses makes him PM.

Then he can take the remaining Apathy Party voters into the euro. At last.

Mission accomplished.

'Bring back the voters', shout the apathetic.

And he does ....

Eventually.

Nilsey105
20 December 2008 at 21:08

BlairSupporter

Thats as bad as he whom you support.

BlairSupporter
20 December 2008 at 22:05

I don't expect you to like or understand it, Nilsey105, but the great writer started it all with his 'wishful thinking' bit of fun and games..

Sarcasm is easy. That's what I aimed to show.

Thinking's the hard bit.

Carl Jones
21 December 2008 at 01:47

You think the last 4 months have been bad?LOL

In about 4 months time, the public will start to understand the economic REALITY. There will be no financial stability until the end of 2010, maybe later. We can expect no real growth until 2018.lol

This crisis will be worse than the 1930`s

So thats the reality bit over with.lol

Obama will be assassinated shortly after taking office. A nuke is droped onto a ship off the Israeli coast, but the MSM reports that it was on the ship. Isreal attacks Iran and Iran fires nukes at Israel (they have two). The US starts attacking Iran, Pakistan becomes unstable so India launches a nuclear strike on Pakistan. Reluctantly, China decides to break from the global economy and dumps US paper .lol

Towards the end of 2009, there is a global pandemic and 40% of the global population are dead. By the end of 2010, another 30% die from secondary infections and starvation.

Of course, this is calculated speculation,, and i have reached a point, where ANYTHING is possible.

Happy New Year.LOL

Nilsey105
21 December 2008 at 11:11

Carl

Ever the pessimist i see. lol

The first 3 months of the New Year are traditionally slow in terms of the economy. No difference this year.

The retail sector is going to be on its arse.

People by me are now paying, in the region of, £200 per month less for their mortgages, but they are saving it and not spending, This will fuel the downturn even more.

The result in demand is going to crash with resultant massive increases in unemployment.

Anything is possible but i just cant see Liverpool winning the Premier League. Lmao.

antileft
21 December 2008 at 14:29

Ill also add some wishful thinking- I wish pilger here would finally move to cuba where he could write for "grandma" newspaper, and give some mild criticism (not of the kind he doles out to the west- but mild) to the cuban government about yaknow the poverty, lack of rights, lack of freedom of expression, dictatorship, stagnation etc etc, so that when hes sent for "re-education", he ll finally hed learn the hypocracy of his socialist ideas.

Carl Jones
21 December 2008 at 15:19

Nilsey105

Aim high, then you won`t be disappointed.LOL

We are in "La La Land".lol The NWO could message us anything and the gullible public will swallow all sorts of crap. History has superceded fiction....Hollywood simply can`t compete.lol You even have a choice of NWO theaters...iraq/Afghanistan, the sham war on terror, the political farce, here and in the US, the designed financial crisis and staggering elite corruption and if you don`t fancy going to the theater, just switch on the TV and have a laugh at the news, especially the BBC news with their SIS briefed journos. Just look at the Newstatesman this week and for that matter, recent weeks, the subjects are weak, its almost as if they are fearful of stimulating serious debate.

£200 and its losing value and what ever has been gained, has been lost in terms of lost jobs and incomes and as you point out, people aren`t spending, so more jobs will be lost. by the end of 2010, we could have 4-5 million unemployed.

Container traffic has dropped by 25%! The global economy is in a much worse state, than is being reported by the MSM. its all part of the drip, drip release of bad news.

Bailing out the banks was the wrong thing to do. they should have been allowed to go bust and the money should have used by the government to open its own bank to lend to the public and businesses. In fact, i`d go further, we don`t need banks as we understand them today. We have lost all the globalisation motors, the Investment banks have gone, only two remain under changed status and they have no real right to still be around.

me
21 December 2008 at 17:23

whaaheey!

Mr pilger dont take it personnally fella,mr blair etc dont seem to know any better,think the words are"father please forgive them,for they know not what they do!"LOL!

carl jones,you are nearest to the truth that man!

Here comes the sun hey!

Carl Jones
21 December 2008 at 20:27

I don`t want to be right, but I do want to second guess the NWO with their sicko agenda. I do have serious concerns that Israel will be sacrificed by the NWO.

Nilsey105
21 December 2008 at 22:56

Mid January 2009

James Purnell, the Work and Pensions Secretary, has had his post within the government removed leaving him stranded and isolated on the back benches.

No single reason for his departure has been given but it is thought a number of calamities and slipshod events created his own downfall.

These events included his attempt to include in policy documentation an annual charge of 27% for emergency state aid to low income households.

Having denied the allegations Purnell claimed it was all a misunderstanding brought about by sloppy and shoddy drafting of the policy document.

As he would be the person to "sign off" any policy documentation he has admitted to being a sloppy and shoddy secretary of state.

Previous misdemeanors committed by Purnell include;

1. The agreeing to the insertion of a photograph of himself into a photo shoot at an event he had turned up too late for inclusion.

Mr. Purnell had previously admonished the BBC and Independent Television companies for their roll in the

"Quizgate" and consequent Lack of Public Trust in those organisations.

Charges of double standards towards Purnell soon flowed in the press.

2. The leaving of confidential "Red Box" documents on the Manchester to Euston train.

When questioned about the events Purnell denied what had been said, however, fellow passengers had taken photos with their mobiles and sent them to all and sundry. The evidence was there for all to see.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/dec/21/economy-credi...

Daily Mirror Kelly Jenkins and Vincent Moss, Political Editor 2/11/2008

Telegraph.co.uk. Andrew Pierce 1st October 2007

JC3
21 December 2008 at 23:33

antileft I could not have put it better myself. That is without out a doubt Mr Pilger's achilles heel. Oh, and Venezuela and Colombia. That's three heels he has. Hmm. Something about that area of our globe .... hmm.

Oh, and as for you 'me' I think you nicked my name. Hmm. Bloody hmm.

antileft
22 December 2008 at 01:32

"We are in "La La Land".lol"

LOL indeed, carl. You certainly are.

"Container traffic has dropped by 25%! The global economy is in a much worse state, than is being reported by the MSM"

Where did you read that, carl? In the "MSM", per chance?

"Obama will be assassinated shortly after taking office."

You always say that, carl, but what on earth makes you think hes not "one of them"?! Just because he makes a nice speech and is black? You think the "NWO" couldnt have thought of that?

"I don`t want to be right,"

Yes you do. Youd love to be right as itd make you feel better for doing absolutely NOTHING with your life. Its a great excuse for failure. "The NWO stopped me having a good life!" And youd also be able to say "I was right!". Which would be nice. Itd be nice to be right for once, wouldnt it carl? But what if youre wrong? You dont actually have any proof, do you carl? If youre wrong, youre just another fat loser who cant get a real job. When are you going to get over this "NWO" fantasy, carl? It really is quite pathetic.

Carl Jones
22 December 2008 at 04:43

Good morning antileft. yes, I am a failure. I`m not a Mason. I haven`t been on a "Common Purpose" course and I didn`t go to an elite university where I was recruited by the SIS. LOL

If anyone sounds bitter about life, its you. Must go, off to work.

antileft
22 December 2008 at 08:12

Youre not a mason?! What on earth does that have to do with anything?! Come on carl, give us a laugh- what dyou do for a living?? Im curious. Oh and you didnt answer this question, did you?

"Container traffic has dropped by 25%! The global economy is in a much worse state, than is being reported by the MSM"

Where did you read that, carl? In the "MSM", per chance?

Ehad Ha'am
22 December 2008 at 10:44

*September*: John Pilger is examined by the NHS and forced to go to school to learn history. "It's the only remedy for his condition", his doctors say, "But we can't promise that it will help him. He may be too far gone."

*December*: Pilger pleads with the New Statesman to remove his idiotic wishes for 2009, but is refused. "Not until you pass an exam on the history of WWII." he is told.

Nilsey105
22 December 2008 at 11:13

http://www.lloydslist.com/ll/home/index.htm

Nilsey105
22 December 2008 at 11:19

Carl

I see the deputy governor of the BOE is now agreeing that this is the worse economic crisis for over 100 years. That must take us, back, beyond 1908. Clear evidence to give support to what you say.

Watch Panorama tonight BBC 1 kick off at 8-30pm.

muppet17
22 December 2008 at 12:23

Nice one Johnster. But one really must nominate Cheney to be tried at the Hague alongside Bush the Younger.

Shooting himself in the foot is too good for the manipulative turd who was the real Hand of Death behind the Bush debacle and who so sinisterly redefined the role of the VP.

Bush the Younger was a mere plaything to this dark puppet master.

Cybertiger
22 December 2008 at 13:23

muppet17 said,

"But one really must nominate Cheney to be tried at the Hague alongside Bush the Younger. Shooting himself in the foot is too good for the manipulative turd who was the real Hand of Death behind the Bush debacle ... "

And thus Cybertiger's 'Timeline for 2009' is as follows,

*March* Barack 'Hussein' Obama is shot by Dick Cheney in a tragically murderous shooting accident.

*April* Chief democrat within the SCOTUS, Justice Antonin Scalia, abolishes the death penalty for all accidental American assassins (AAA clan) - and by default for ALL murdering American scoundrels abroad.

*May* The American populace (Bah, ba, black sheep) take to the streets in protest at the abolition of state sponsored, heavily taxpayer subsidised killing.

*June* In a lavish coronation, Biggus Dickus Cheney is crowned Emperor of the evilEmpire and takes the name of 'Good 'God' Shepherd'.

*September* In a fit of demented syphylitic fury, the God Shepherd raises tax on oil to make gasoline prices commensurate with the UK. He intended this as a declaration of that special relationship between two nations of Empire. There is renewed rioting on the streets.

*January 2010* The bananaRepublic is declared a neo-Socialist state ... after the death penalty is restored and all oil taxes are abolished. The sheep are happy ... peace reigns over the flock.

antileft
22 December 2008 at 14:10

I know youre trying to be funny, cybertiger, but cant you see how idiotic your posts are?

"In a fit of demented syphylitic fury, the God Shepherd ..."

What on earth does syphilis have to do with anything?! The "God Shepherd"?! What is that? Is it supposed to be funny??

"abolishes the death penalty for all accidental American assassins (AAA clan) - and by default for ALL murdering American scoundrels abroad."

AAA?! WTF?! Accidental assassin?! What is that?!

Biggus Dickus Cheney and Barack 'Hussein' Obama? Making fun of peoples names again? Is this supposed to be mature??

"Bah, ba, black sheep"

You think that british people are somehow... Less sheep-like than american people? Come on cybetiger- the cultures are virtually identical.

Carl Jones
22 December 2008 at 14:41

antileft, how "mature" are you. Seriously, you should seek help. I think most people come here, because they have something to say, something to contribute. They don`t come here to be "abused" by a halfwit like you.

Cybertiger
22 December 2008 at 15:03

@Harryantileft

"What on earth does syphilis have to do with anything?! "

It's the 'Special Relationship', stupid!

"Come on cybetiger- the cultures are virtually identical."

Sad, innit!

antileft
22 December 2008 at 15:07

Nice Dodge! But you didnt answer my question, did you carl? Perhaps you dont want to? Here you go- try again!

"Come on carl, give us a laugh- what dyou do for a living??"

antileft
22 December 2008 at 15:13

"It's the 'Special Relationship', stupid!"

Another joke? Because it doesnt make sense if you read your original post. You do this, cybertiger- you chuck in words that dont mean anything to make yourself sound more intelligent than you are. It doesnt work.

"Sad, innit!"

"innit", indeed. What a mess it all is. Thats why smart people get the hell out of there quickly.

Carl Jones
22 December 2008 at 15:34

Nilsey105, thanks, I`ll try and watch.

antileft
22 December 2008 at 15:43

Try again!

"Come on carl, give us a laugh- what dyou do for a living??"

Cybertiger
22 December 2008 at 17:23

"Thats why smart people get the hell out of there quickly."

Out of where? Smart people get out of syphilitic relationships before it's too late - or obtain adequate vaccinations - or use a condom in the first place. I suspect you've been missing your appointments at the special clinic. Eh, Harry?

Carl Jones
22 December 2008 at 18:18

antileft, according to YOU, I don`t have a job and my wife supports me....sorry, you also said that I`m a sad lonely so and so.....seems you can`t meke up your mind. LOL

"Try again".....keep going.LOL

Nilsey105
22 December 2008 at 19:17

antileft

Answer me this one question please.

Why is it you are the only person on here to have all the right answers. And all us others are always incorrect?

Carl Jones
22 December 2008 at 21:35

Nilsey105

BBC Panorama NWO/MI6 cover-up job!!! LOL

BBC Peston is clearly a NWO conduit. If I were to think outside the box, Peston`s in on it....another GILLIGAN.

Look at them all, sumg and smirking....and the real fun has yet to begin. Vince Cable doesn`t blame Peston, but the Government (SIS) leakers and Hecktor Sants the City whipping boy.LOL

Sir John Grieve gave a FANTASTIC performance, yes we did know the system was ------, but we didn`t want to ruin the PARTY!! LOL The reality is Mr Grieve, that BoE MPC decisions weren`t about the UK economy, no MPC decisions were about assisting the US with its debt interest payments.

David Walton was a star economist with the British Treasury, he moved to Gold Sacks (Sachs) and then moved to the BoE MPC, Walton died on the 21st June 2006 from "necrotising fasciitis" (add that to dead in the woods and falling down on Bens). Waltons last MOC meeting was on the 7/8th of June 2006, he was the only one of eight, who called for an interest rate rise and had done so for the last several months......

.....rate rises would have limited Britain`s exposure to the current economic construct....the government, BoE and FSA are crooks, pure and simple.

We should all be greatful to the BBC, for assisting these crooks with their defence, so willing tp give their contrived evidence under oath on the BBC!!!!!!!lol

Carl Jones
22 December 2008 at 22:25

antileft, here`s something for you to chew on.

http://www.rense.com/general84/dm.htm

Gideon Polya
23 December 2008 at 05:19

Excellent wish list by John Pilger .. but unfortunately, pigs may fly.

The comparison by Cherie Blair of Tony Blair with our hero Winston Churchill is truer than you think - both are imperialists whose crimes involved the deaths of millions of women and children.

Thus Blair's version of imperialism is self-styled "democratic imperialism" aka democratic tyranny or democratic Nazism. Winston Churchill's version was old-fashioned, up-front, race-based, British or "White" imperialism.

Both were complicit in the deaths of millions. Thus Blair is complicit in the 9-11 million violent and non-violent excess deaths (avoidable deaths) associated (so far) with the Bush Wars, 1990-2008 (see "9-11 excuse for US global genocide. The real 9-11 atrocity: millions dead (9-11 million) in Bush Wars": http://mwcnews.net/content/view/25184/42/ ).

Churchill was complicit in the deaths of millions, and most notoriously with the deliberate, sustained, remorseless starving to death of 6-7 millions Indians in the 1943-1945 Bengal Famine ( see "Media Lying over Churchill's Crimes. British-Indian Holocaust ": http://mwcnews.net/content/view/26713/42/ ).

This particular most awful of Churchill's crimes (the Bengal Famine) has been largely white-washed from British history by egregious, sustained, continuing LYING by Anglo politicians, academics and journalists - as have been the continuing Iraqi Genocide and Afghan Genocide of Bush and Blair.

For readers who have never heard of Churchill's WW2 Indian Holocaust, the man-made British atrocity in British-ruled India that killed 6-7 million Indians in the “forgotten” World War 2 Bengal Famine, see the recent BBC broadcast involving me, 1998 Economics Nobel Laureate Professor Amartya Sen (Harvard, formerly Cambridge), medical historian Dr Sanjoy Bhattacharya (Wellcome Institute, University College London) and other scholars: http://www.open2.net/thingsweforgot/bengalfamine_programme.h... ).

Carl Jones
23 December 2008 at 11:15

Yawn, zzzzzzzzz

antileft
23 December 2008 at 13:32

"Do you speak Spanish?"

Mi espanol no es perfecto pero yo hablo mas o menos. Yo aprende en bogota en 2003. Yo estuvo ensenyando englais con multilingua, y apprendiendo espanyol con dos estudientes y un amiga mui hermosa.

"And do you know any Japanese?"

Ie. Nihongo wa muzukashii yo! Chotto nihongo o hanashimasu. Nihongo ga suki desu kedo... Totemo muzukashii.

"I thought not!"

Shut up, you idiot.

Carl Jones
23 December 2008 at 19:15

antileft, bored of you...you must be regressing mentally, you were better last year and more so the previous year. lol

Your Spanish mates must be daft or drunk.lol Maybe they are just tollerent and think you`ve had too much sun.lol

I`m not qualified to say if you Espanol is purfect, but its better than you debating and social skills.LOL

Carl Jones
23 December 2008 at 19:20

I can`t see........there seems to be a big red mist! LOL

antileft
24 December 2008 at 01:47

"`Im not qualified to say if you Espanol is purfect, but its better than you debating and social skills.LOL"

LOL indeed, Carl. And what a wonderful, intellectual debating style you have there! "I can`t see........there seems to be a big red mist! LOL" Lol, lol, and indeed, lol. And the debate in your last two posts? Cant find it anywhere.

But youve failed to answer my question again, havent you? Try again! Here it is:

"Are you admitting that you dont have a real job?!"

Go on Carl- its so obvious that youre dodging this question! Its funny- I like just repeating it :) Go on, lets hear you dodge!

JC3
24 December 2008 at 05:14

Hey antileft I luv ya but you're a bit of an idiot. What on earth makes you think I'm a yank. I tend to agree with Carl Jones when he wrote "your Espanol is ... better than your ... social skills". It's a shame cos I reckon we coulda been mates. Oh well.

JC3
24 December 2008 at 05:28

And TUBBY!!!!!???? antileft. Huh?

antileft
24 December 2008 at 06:24

What on earth makes me think youre a yank?! I thought you were a yank because of statesments like this:

"Everyone hears stories about how all the Europeans hate us as of recently."

"America? No way. We're fucking AMERICA."

"America on the other hand, we aren't buying all that bullshit because it's not all it's cracked up to be."

"So yeah, we're still "stuck" in that Hobbesian-era, we're the Queen Bee, King Bad-ass and we get to tell everyone what to do, but that's a good thing. We're not like, tyrannical and shit, we just understand the role of violence in politics."

"Well, America needs to stop pandering to these euro-pansies and they need to come over and give us a blowjob..."

"So yeah, Europe can take their transcendent, holier-than-thou, no-aggression, bullshit and they can revel in it. But us? We know that's not the only way to be happy."

My apologies JC3- obviously I misread your blatantly misleading gibberish. Its hard when you write so badly that no one can understand that actually youre not saying "we re fucking america" but rather youre saying "this guy who wrote this book which says, to summarise 'we re fucking america'". What a badly written post. When do your quotes end and your opinions begin? No idea.

Now, why would I want to be "mates" with someone who cant even articulate his thoughts properly??

WJ59 FXD
24 December 2008 at 10:46

when I was a schoolboy me mates wanted to be celebs like Nigella or Jamie but not me, Oh no. All I wanted to do in life was join the bra-fitting service at Marks & Sparks. yet despite this humble aspiration I have risen to a position of eminence far beyond anything that could be offered by pecuniary reward alone.

In fact I have even lately acquired a personalised number plate. At last I'm somebody not merely some bozo or sad bodkin haunting the virtual world's desolate chat rooms seeking out virtual chums in consolation of that which we must not speak of.

Perhaps now I can even take tea with Nigella and discuss her 'prodigious Pavlova' and other culinary creations if apposite.

On the whole I think I like this Pilger bod but is he any good with Pavlova?

Cybertiger
24 December 2008 at 11:59

@WJ59 FXD

"... yet despite this humble aspiration I have risen to a position of eminence far beyond anything ..."

I speculate that you may be a big tit ... and, of course, a likely chum of our large titish friend, Harryantileft.

PS. Happy Christmas to Harry and all other big tits in the Pilger blogosphere.

Cybertiger
24 December 2008 at 12:40

"Perhaps now I can even take tea with Nigella and discuss her 'prodigious Pavlova' and other culinary creations if apposite."

Like you, WJ59 FXD, I salivate like Pavlov's cybercat ... at Nigella's voluptuous puddings ...

antileft
24 December 2008 at 13:37

"I speculate that you may be a big tit ... and, of course, a likely chum of our large titish friend, Harryantileft."

Oh dear cybertiger- did I not humiliate you enough with my last post? You really want to come back for more?

Ok, let me put this in a combination of Japanese (which you claim I dont speak) and Spanish (which you also claim I dont speak). See if you can tell what Im saying here (some of the words are similar to english):

Senorito bakka hito, estas ESTUPIDO. Bakka hito desu. Estas demasiado ESTUPIDO por esta sitio.

Por favor, vas a YAHOO CHAT.

YAHOO CHAT o ikimasu kudasai. Arigatou gozaimasu.

Can you guess what Im saying, idiot? *hint* Ive said it to you before in English.

WJ59 FXD
24 December 2008 at 19:01

antileft:

Ahso!

Which is very close to Ahs-hoole defined in the Urban Dictionary as:

Someone who pisses you off beyond your own personal tolerance and causes your blood pressure to rise beyond its limit causing a loss of blood to your penile region resulting in loss of erection during sexual intercourse.

Claudio Mateos is a estupido as they say where I come from.

Nilsey105
24 December 2008 at 23:15

Here we go.

Is this the begining of the end?

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE4B70ME20081224

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you one and all.

antileft
25 December 2008 at 02:45

"Is this the begining of the end?"

Its this kind of thing thats idiotic.

Brown (and many others) during a boom (as people say during every bubble): "It's the end of boom and bust! Now its boom all the way!! Let the party begin!! Wahoo!!!"

Other idiots during the inevitable bust "its the end of boom! Now its bust all the way!!! I guess that means its the END OF THE WORLD!!!"

Sure. This is why capitalism overshoots- because millions of idiots think the boom/bust will last forever and act accordingly. Well its good news really- people who know its a load of bull can make good money from both booms and busts. Merry christmas, idiots!

gnuneo
25 December 2008 at 03:50

carl: why would obama be a target when his entire cabinet are 'in-line'? Only to stir some big-time social unrest, surely? So possibly homeland security expansion... but actually, i don't think he will be. He's too useful a front, what with the black skin and all.

"Bailing out the banks was the wrong thing to do. they should have been allowed to go bust and the money should have used by the government to open its own bank to lend to the public and businesses."

as i recommended at the time.

however its all part of the 'Game' - the banks are prevented from lending, not only because the Govt has increased the capital reserves they must hold (a good move), but the very money they then handed to the banks has increased the debt burden of the banks, further preventing lending!

so the Govt in public demands the banks lend, and in private stops them from doing so.

so at least a fair part of this recession is deliberate, which bearing in mind Lord Mandy's admission on the news that NuLabour *knowingly* expanded this credit bubble based upon overly-inflated house-prices, add in Brown handing over £600,000,000,000 to the owners of the banks - which will drag the UK currency/economy down, as well as being a probably permanent debt 3rd world stylee - and we have a bunch of political leaders who...

words fail.

tell you what, i'd rather have a pot-smoking, single mum lesbian (don't ask!), covered in tattoos and a list of small convictions an arm-long, who actually CARES about the state of our Nation and its People, than these lilly-white, never-done-wrong holier-than-thou professional liars whose only goal appears to be making life Hell for as many as they can.

no more foreign wars, no more socially-destructive and anti-liberal legislation, no more spying and ever-present surveillance, no more high-and-mighty arrogance from our elected representatives thinking they are above telling the truth, no more lies and 'games' that destroy our Citizen's (& others) lives. No More.

JC3
25 December 2008 at 04:18

Yeah but antileft old pal old chum old matey I started off that post by writing this in my very third sentence:

"[It's not mine, by the way. Unfortunately.]"

So you see, my dear potential mate, you are an idiot. Oh and, by the way and for the record, I'm actually Colombian. Oh, and I love idiots too. So there. Cop that.

JC3
25 December 2008 at 04:21

Oh and what did ya think of the post after the colloquial summary one? Ya gotta admit it is pure gold. C'mon. Admit it.

antileft
25 December 2008 at 06:08

"Yeah but antileft old pal old chum old matey I started off that post by writing this in my very third sentence:

"[It's not mine, by the way. Unfortunately.]" "

Yes but you wrote an entire, long post, JC3. Most people would think that the first sentence there was a quote. How was anyone supposed to know otherwise?! Have you not heard of "quotation marks"?! Totally unclear. Was it a quote, or did you rephrase it? No idea. Totally unclear. Youre the idiot, "matey".

Oh and your other post I couldnt be bothered to read- the first was so badly written (whether you wrote it or not) and so uninteresting that I assumed the rest would be a complete waste of my time. Sorry!

Carl Jones
25 December 2008 at 07:12

gnuneo, Obama has an enormous weight around his neck which he can`t deliver on. So there are two ways to go, he`ll either be assassinated, or some NEW designed crisis will appear, as Joe Biden stated.

I would go with the second. If you checkout my comment on this weeks BBC Panorama up the thread and if you didn`t watch it, try to on iplayer.

gnuneo
25 December 2008 at 09:02

there is *always* a new crisis, that's how our political/media system has been designed.

what is interesting is how it is spun, or marketed.

Obama will be able to spin out the yanks for a good 3 years before they even begin to notice that bugger-all has changed - you might recall it took us Briton's almost 10years (was it that long?) before we finally spotted B'Liar was just a smug Tory git in a red tie.

and then the other wing of the Party will swing into action, creating a dreaded 'Republican' nemesis that will once again rally the Democratic faithful, even if they ARE disquieted, even disgusted, about the complete lack of any substantive change - well, in a GOOD direction anyway. Expanding America's war to cover Pakistan and Iran would obviously bring change, but not quite what the American people may have been led to expect.

it is possible he'll be assassinated - true of all US presidents - but i doubt it would be for any ideological reasons against Obama. He doesn't seem to HAVE any ideology, beyond "No Change" anyway.

frankly, they can create as many 'crisis' as they wish - as long as they keep it domestic. No more insane stunts like Georgia, no expansion of US Terror Wars, and if they don't get the message, it would be nice if the whole world closed ranks and placed sanctions upon the US. Yeah i know, not going to happen. Not *yet*, anyway.

...wouldn't that be an interesting 'crisis' for Obama to handle though? A multi-lateral, full spectrum sanctions regime on the US, until they dismantle their WMD stockpiles, and allow UN inspectors in to ensure they have all been destroyed.

hey - i can dream, can't i? ;)

(& followed by the same treatment for ALL WMD nations, including the UK).

Carl Jones
25 December 2008 at 18:22

By new crisis, Biden ment something NEW and LARGE, large enough to affect the entire West.

i don`t think the Amerikan public will wait years. There is a LOT of anger, we never see it, because its not reported by our NWO controlled MSM....must go. back to the cybermen.lol

Carl Jones
25 December 2008 at 22:54

Had a blinding day, just my two children and lovely wife. I think it was the best Christamas lunch I`ve cooked and as you can see from my last entry, I managed to sneek 5 mins while my son watched Dr Who.

I wonder if this will be the last great Christmas? You can buy a house in Detroit for $18,500...this is the average price.....21% unemployment! I see that some forward thinking financial pundits now believe, that over 1000 banks will go bust in 2009 and that at best, we will be left with just 5 super-banks.....thats a lot of assets in very few hands. Other pundits are predicting the complete collapse of the US economy/dollar IN SHORT ORDER.

JC3
25 December 2008 at 23:27

antileft I do believe you are a churlish rogue.

antileft
27 December 2008 at 11:46

"you might recall it took us Briton's almost 10years (was it that long?) before we finally spotted B'Liar was just a smug Tory git in a red tie."

Wasnt that why they voted for him?! The reason people got sick of him was mainly because of Iraq, wasnt it? Sure wasnt because he was too right wing!!! The British public, believe it or not, are actually pretty far to the right. Theyre not a bunch of socialists. Hence the fact that tories (including new labour tories) almost always win. The question for the next election is: who's the most tory? Its a tough question. Gonna be a close election.

As for America- theyre not looking for the kind of change that you want- they dont want some kind of a jump to the left. Theyre very right wing people. So why should obama swing to the left like people here want?? That wouldnt be very democratic, would it? It seems to me that what they want right now is a competant conservative. Like bush only with some kind of brain who can articulate complete sentences, and understand whats going on. Good choice I say.

mart
27 December 2008 at 17:25

Some people need to get a life!

boysfrom
28 December 2008 at 04:47

I quite like Tony Blair as a person. Can't see why

anyone would want to hurt him in any way. For J Pilger

to wish him harm shows that J Pilger needs to get a life.

Tony already has a life. Should anyone stop him from

opening his mouth to say things as J.pilger is wishing

for.

fairplay
28 December 2008 at 08:41

the only true conservative in the US elections was Ron Paul. Obama was the puppet needed to make GW look really bad. Obama has provided the right wing elite with exactly waht they want.

as for the american public being right wing antileft, i would put brainwashed before it. the media is so biased and sooooooooooooooo one sided that the average joe in the US hasnt got a clue. same in the UK too.

hence, more and more people using the internet to get the news and alternative news sites becoming more popular. so, here we come with censorship on a grand scale. as for blair, when he is hanging like saddam from the gallows for his criminal acts that includes instigating the loss of british servicemens lives to please his mates in big business, well, the drinks are on me. i will be putting a huge marquee up in hyde park with a DJ and free beer. all welcome

Angela S Dizzy
28 December 2008 at 09:39

i find it difficult to understand every thin here i didn't

know iwas brainwshed. i don't get out muchmy mum

neds much help. i live in hebden bridge and i don't

drive. i free on monday when home elp come. mr

fairplay can tell me how i be brainwashed.

angela

antileft
28 December 2008 at 12:22

"as for the american public being right wing antileft, i would put brainwashed before it. the media is so biased and sooooooooooooooo one sided that the average joe in the US hasnt got a clue. same in the UK too."

See, this is just such a tired old line that's been repeated SO MANY times by both sides. Havent you heard american conservatives complaining about "liberal bias"?! They go on and on and on and on about that. All the time. Its a real bore. Americans are conservative people- thats the truth of the matter. It takes a real lost cause for the supporters of that cause to start pathetically blaming the media.

And all the more pathetic when we re reading the newstatesman- one of the most moronically biased left wing magazines in england. Look at the front page! "Socialism's comeback" (talking about how communism is taking over europe again). Sure. At a time when there are only 3 (or was it 4?) left wing governments in the EU governing without a coalision. Out of 27. And that includes New Labour. Quit blaming "media bias" for the failure of your ideas.

fairplay
28 December 2008 at 19:00

why do you read it then einstein?

i like true conservatism. i like the idea of my taxes looking after my people. i like the idea of securing my borders. i like the idea of sovereign nations. but how does giving $6 billion a year to israel make true conservatives in the US feel AL? define conservative because in the true sense of the word ron paul was the ultra conservative candidate for the presidency.

dop you know what conservative means AL? is the IRs a conservative body? is the police state we and the US are both becoming conservative? there is a huge difference between right wing and conservative. back to the chubby brown days AL. you really are a nerd and all those people who bullied you at school have a lot to answer for

antileft
29 December 2008 at 02:42

"why do you read it then einstein?"

Because, obviously, I like to get both sides of the story. You should try it- youd be more intelligent.

"but how does giving $6 billion a year to israel make true conservatives in the US feel AL?"

What on earth does Israeli aid have to do with how conservative americans are?!

But to answer your totally random, idiotic question: Im not in the US but Id say it depends on if theyre the idiotic religous conservatives (christians and jews tend to be more supportive of israel than others), and on a million other factors. Personally, I think its ridiculous. Why on earth is it relevant?! Focus on the subject please.

"define conservative because in the true sense of the word ron paul was the ultra conservative candidate for the presidency."

When I say "the majority of americans are conservative" I mean that the majority want a small state, low taxes, and a lack of government interferance. Yes I understand that it has different meanings. Why cares?! Quit nitpicking with words and focus on the substance.

"is the IRs a conservative body?"

Thats an idiotic question, and again totally irrelevant to what we were speaking about. What on earth are you talking about?! How is this relevant to whether americans are conservative or media bias?! Focus, please, on the subject. Pay attention!

"is the police state we and the US are both becoming conservative?"

Again, idiotic. Americans and British are totally against becoming a police state- if its happening then people will not like it. And again- focus on the subject, idiot! Quit randomly bringing up totally unrelated subjects!

"you really are a nerd and all those people who bullied you at school have a lot to answer for"

Pathetic, fairplay. If youre not intelligent enough to debate properly, at least come up with better insults.

fairplay
29 December 2008 at 04:07

When I say "the majority of americans are conservative" I mean that the majority want a small state, low taxes, and a lack of government interferance. Yes I understand that it has different meanings. Why cares?! Quit nitpicking with words and focus on the substance.

exactly. so would these people also be against the war machine and the open cheque book the government gives it year after year? perhaps so, but the average american is scared to death of al qaeda for example because he/she believes the hype. therefore, they darent speak up, which is true of the majority of the population. now, i apologise for the insult AL, i was at the end of a bad day, but i still debate the fact the being right wing doesnt make you a true conservative and i think most americans do not understand the true meaning of the word conservative.

am i correct regarding ron paul at least?

fairplay
29 December 2008 at 04:10

who is mr clarke?

boysfrom
29 December 2008 at 06:26

Exactly who is Mr Clark? And what's your real name?

antileft
29 December 2008 at 07:50

"exactly. so would these people also be against the war machine and the open cheque book the government gives it year after year?"

I believe the opinion polls at the moment suggest they dont, but did before. Yes, they changed their minds. Yes, they were idiotic for supporting the Iraq war. I never said I agree with everything that American conservatives do- quite the opposite in fact. I dont need to justify what american conservatives/ right wingers believe. Im not one of them. See the problems we get into when you lurch from one subject to the next? You assume that just because I say that Americans are conservative and so they should have a conservative government, that I must also back the Iraq war! Not at all. I have the same resentment for Bush that I do for Castro. And Castro is a real scumbag.

"perhaps so, but the average american is scared to death of al qaeda for example because he/she believes the hype."

That and the fact that they most probably were responsible for 3000 or so deaths on september 11th. Seems reasonable to me!

"now, i apologise for the insult AL, i was at the end of a bad day,"

No problem- I give, so I receive.

"but i still debate the fact the being right wing doesnt make you a true conservative"

Never said it does.

"and i think most americans do not understand the true meaning of the word conservative."

It means different things to different people. If you ask Americans what they are most will call themselves conservatives.

"am i correct regarding ron paul at least?"

I dont know- depends what you think conservative means.

fairplay
29 December 2008 at 09:41

i think conservative means frugal policies and putting the needs of your own taxpayers first

ron paul was the man to put an end to the mess that is america and restore some values. and the brainwashing of the public was never more evident than during the presidential debates when he was blatantly ignored despite winning many hands down. the media didnt even publish the results of one poll because they gave him too much air time and he won it hands down.

for all the failings of the government the MSM is just as culpable for its endless lies and cover ups hence "brainwashing".

Cybertiger
29 December 2008 at 11:12

fairplay said,

"i think conservative means frugal policies and putting the needs of your own taxpayers first"

The American taxpayer certainly wants it all. But the only things conservative Americans care about are 'death and taxes' - more of the former penalties for all, especially foreign socialists - and much less of the latter, especially on oil.

Carl Jones
29 December 2008 at 11:13

Amerikans have never had a "big state". The only reason why they reject more government, is FEAR. Now Amerika is all government, the entire capitalist sector is bust. I was listening to BBC Radio 4, a banker said we are going to have a "hyperinflationary depression",which is what I have been saying for over a year.

This is the brainwashing....the MSM consistantly plays the catchup game. The US reported data which suggested the US had been in a recession for over a year...if this isn`t a conspiracy, I `d like to know what is.LOL

I was listening to another BBC Radio 4 programme yesterday about farming. This farmer summed it up very well. He breeds "Middle Whites" which are regarded a the best meat prioducing pig, he said they are always happy, ALL THEIR LIFE EXPERIENCES HAVE BEEN GOOD!! So when the ramp is dropped at the slaughter house, they are happy, they go down the ramp EXPECTING another good experience. Contrast this with mass produced pigs (ordinary humans), who have had NO good life experiences, when they get to the slaughter house and the ramp drops, they think, "OMG, now what are they going to do to us"?

This is modern life today in the West. The NWO will never deliver good news and for that matter, most of the bad things have been DESIGNED, such as the sham war on terror and the current economic collapse. Everything we have been told , has been turned on its head by the NWO and our puppet leaders.

Pilger is right about Obama and Fisk in the Independent said as much the other day...several ramps will drop in the New Year. The economy will significantly worsen and some NEW designed crisis will emerge. The chrch is right to question the governments economic policies. But the fact they have done so after the horse has bolted, is in reality a posturing exercise, so that when society starts to fall apart, the church can disassociate its self from the mess.

When hyperinflation arrives the MSM will say, "we didn`t expect this"!! LOL

purelogic
29 December 2008 at 11:53

Carl Jones

You wrote that the entire capitalist system is bust so why

are you able to write on this comment page? What

system is supporting it?

What are LOL, NWO, OMG and MSM

Carl Jones
29 December 2008 at 13:32

purelogic....as usual, you miss the point..."the entire capitalist system is bust"...who thinks its bust??? This is the design, this is the NWO message. Do you really believe the ESTABLISHMENT wants US auto manufactures to survive? Did you really believe that Thatcher`s backers (NWO) weren`t behind the destruction of mining, car manufacturing, ship building and steel production?? Its like a box of Lego...there are vast opportunities when you see all the seperate blocks, but as you build, your opportunities deminish...as you appoach your last few blocks, they lose value. This is what has happened, the systen can`t afford new blocks, so the CONSTRUCT has to be broken up....we are the blocks, the NWO is the kid playing with them.

When I say the system is bust, this is a view held by few, I and a few others on here hold this position, because some of us can see whats coming. However, the general view put out by the MSM and politicos, is that there will be a recovery in 1 to 2 years time. This is the hope/stability ploy. At the mo, its deflation, but when hyperinflation come, it will be with a RUSH, this is so people will be caught out.

So I am using a range of perspectives, I could use a perspective that I`ve used many times in my comments...."capitalism hasn`t existed since the Raygun (Reagan) years, when he setup the PPT (Plunge Protection Team), so one should view the US as the worlds largest economy and that this economy and therefore the entire world economy has been played by the hidden NWO hand, the PPT....the Dollar has been unusually strong, and Gold has been strangely held down....this is the PPT at work...NWO insider dealing and it operates way above the law, so you see "purelogic", its all rather logical, we have different levels of debate and different perspectives.

The NWO knows whats its doing, its a construct, but to be honest, most can`t get their heads around the reality, or they bury their heads in the sand...where is your head? LOL

antileft
29 December 2008 at 13:44

"Contrast this with mass produced pigs (ordinary humans), who have had NO good life experiences,"

Thats it, let it out, Carl! You should know- you speak for yourself. I spent the last few weeks lying in my hammock on ko chang- a beautiful island off the coast of thailand. The hammock overlooked a lovely green cliff covered in palms. My laptop was on my stomach and I had pineapple chunks in my hand. Swinging backwards and forwards with wind in my hair and the sound of birds all around me, I enjoyed my work. God I love it. This is how I work- wherever, whenever I feel like it. And I get paid more than you regardless of the fact that staying here costs 20 dollars a day. Perhaps you should sort yourself out and stop fantasizing about the end of the world, Carl? Hey, I understand- you need to feel better about yourself- but cant you do that by succeeding in something??

Oh, and answer purelogic please- he has a good point. Life aint that bad, is it?! Now, quit bitching, loser!

fairplay
29 December 2008 at 13:56

AL

we would all love to do what you do but some of us have kids etc. i did it all in my younger days. i am mid 40s and never worked for anyone else in my life. am i qualified to be in your gang?

i get carl's point though and be truthful, the constant barrage of fearmongering etc is getting beyond a joke. do you buy any of it AL? serious question so reply with a serious answer

Carl Jones
29 December 2008 at 14:38

White people in the Far East need to practice with a shovel, you are going to need it.LOL

Some recent posts are clearly harking back to a passing age...ME, ME and the ME GENERATION!LOL

"I spent the last few weeks lying in a hammock"....I can`t think of anything more boring, it must have been the insects, or natives that sopped him from sleeping, reading and whatever else you can do in a hammock.LOL Some folk are detatched from the real world, they cannot generalise, they cannot see things from other perspectives and continue to use defunct mantras already give up by the NWO folk who penned them many decades ago. Maybe the bitterness comes from not being able to sleep well with one eye open.LOL

I suspect that he`s lying in his hammock in the dark with his laptop open for company (lite)....I bet he listens to Desert Island Discs for tips.LOL

antileft
29 December 2008 at 16:25

"am i qualified to be in your gang?"

Youre qualified- Im sure a lot of people are. Proof indeed that people arent, as Carl says, lacking in good life experiences

"i get carl's point though and be truthful, the constant barrage of fearmongering etc is getting beyond a joke. do you buy any of it AL? serious question so reply with a serious answer"

Truthfully? Fearmongering... Well, I do think that many media groups (the crappy ones- such as the sun, fox, new statesman) are full of crap. Theyre loading with fantasy crap to work up the idiots. But hey, we read it. Or at least you guys do- I skim it and then get to the comments section (because I like debating with people who are less intelligent than me). By the way, to make a distinction in quality between fox and new statesman is ridiculous- theyre both a heap of crap aimed at the least intelligent people in our countries.

"I can`t think of anything more boring"

Oh you think its boring?! Lying in paradise?! HA! Ok then, Carl, why dont you finally tell us all what you do for a living?! Im sure that its much more interesting than laying in a hammock with a laptop and pineapple chunks! Come on Carl- tell us!!!

Im waiting, pressing refresh, looking forwards to your answer! Come on Carl!!!!

Carl Jones
29 December 2008 at 17:02

Oh dear, did I touch a nerve...supprised you have them.LOL Its funny (strange), how over the years your writing style has changed....its almost as if there are 3 of you commenting under "antileft"?LOL

purelogic
29 December 2008 at 17:45

So does that mean the capitalist system is not bust if one

is sitting in a hammock in the South Pacific eating

pineapples?

purelogic
29 December 2008 at 18:11

I've been thinking about the notion of conservatism and

applying it although I suspect I'll be told it is self-

defeating. If we assume that conservatism is the

preservation of the status quo, then society would remain

the same,. Would you agree with that Carl?

Carl Jones
29 December 2008 at 18:50

purelogic, in its purist form, yes. But its not that simple. The right/conservatives are more about change than socialism/communism. Thatcher ripped this country apart, this was part of globalisation and look what this has done to the world. The middle clases (Tories&Nulabour) are obsessed with global population growth, but these alledgdely clever/educated people fail to connect their perceived wealth, based on staggering personal/government debt and SUBSIDISED labor in Britain and the globalisation scam.

You could hardly claim a "status quo" in pay/income. The Tories and Blair are clearly on the right and most would say we are relatively poorer, than we were 30 years ago. Blair`s only claim to welcome fame, is the minimum wage....but this is nothing but a con-trick which subsidises those members of the middle class who run businesses....ITS A FIXED COST.LOL

We could debate conservatism and the MSM, right leaning governments have allowed a sorry slide into trash TV and BRAINWASHING sessions listening to Victoria jackboot Derbyshire on BBC Radio 5 Live....no education, no status quo.LOL

Nilsey105
29 December 2008 at 19:08

Good to see you all are enjoying the festive season and wallowing in your own engrandisments.

Just for starters another high street chain has gone into administration UCS.

On a more sinister note;

"UK banks face £70bn property bombshell"

AND

"Toxic debt losses now £1,800bn, say Bank "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfina...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/recession/3...

You must all recall that most noble of sayings;

"What goes around comes around"

Nilsey105
29 December 2008 at 19:20

I am surely tempted to advise the CEO of Barclays Bank to tap up his Suadi m8s for some more funding as he wont be getting any from the British taxpayer. He spurned us once and wont get the chance again.

The other banks will be ok but now its going to be complete nationalisation. The tax payers are going to revolt if they dont get full control for more of their dosh.

A note on the unemployment figures;

Presently the figure of 2 mill seems correct, but thats only the appearance. The reality is plus the 2.5 mill on Incapacity Benefit. Then an additional 1 mill, conservative guesstimate, for 2009. Totals out at 5.5 mill at the end of 2009. That is a very conservative figure. And we aint even got into half time yet!

Nilsey105
29 December 2008 at 19:32

USC that should be sorry bout that.

Carl Jones
29 December 2008 at 19:36

Nilsey105....you are a cheeky chappy. I`m not wallowing in my own "engrandisments". Its not my fault the NS hasn`t published a decent financial/economic article for 6-8 weeks! They clearly don`t want a debate.LOL

Further up the comments, Ihave said things are going to get very nasty in early 2009, and your numbers are mild in terms of what is coming. Your comment on half time, I watched Panorama as YOU suggested and commented, but as usual, there were no replies.

Nilsey105
29 December 2008 at 20:09

Yes Carl

I checked things out on here and was waiting to make a reply to the FIRST SHEPHERD but he has now morphed into another person who on reflection has now been excommunicated from the pages of NS.

However, he wont be missed, i think.

Unfortunately whilst the Panorama prog was on,i was watching my team deny Chelsea a win.

I have to dvd recorders but not got round to sorting them out and my kids aint bothered so sfa.

I usually do err on the side of caution when useing figures that way some of the contributors cant accuse me of exageration.LMFAO.

Nilsey105
29 December 2008 at 20:10

two

purelogic
29 December 2008 at 20:16

Carl

I see what you mean that it is not that simple. In the

purest form conservatism would mean no change

whatsoever. It would even mean that people wouldn't

move (even breathe), they would stay exactly the

same... a bit like musical statues except the music

doesn't go back on.

That doesn't seem to be happening so there must be

some change. It fact there must be some change all

the time. But how do we as a society decide what

direction this change should be?

purelogic
29 December 2008 at 20:18

And who are the ones that should direct /guide this

change?

Nilsey105
29 December 2008 at 20:24

purelogic

Its the smoke and mirrors act of the hidden hand.

Carl Jones
29 December 2008 at 20:26

purelogic, WE don`t have any say in what changes. The NWO has all the bases covered...just an example, Google "Common Purpose" and you get 13, 700,000 results. The NS supports Common Purpose"...its all rather sinister....we could include the Masons, Bilderberg and the Tavistock Group, but then I`d start getting censored.LOL

purelogic
29 December 2008 at 20:49

Are you saying that we don't have a say in the

change.. We are all just governed by the propaganda

of a hidden hand? And you can't say exactly because

you'll get censored. I think I'm getting the picture. So

what can we do about it.. anything?

NWO .. does that stand for the New World Order

I still can't work out LOL

Nilsey105
29 December 2008 at 20:51

LOL = Laughs Out Loud

The hidden hand doesnt exist and never has.

Its existence has been attributed to thats Scotsman who said a lot about the Wealth of Nations but just one sentence about a hidden hand.

purelogic
29 December 2008 at 21:24

I don't have a mobile. I take it LOL is text talk.

So you're not really going to be censored.

Do you know the actual words of the sentence that

Adam Smith used?

Also if the hidden hand doesn't exist what is 'it' ? And

why did you use it to explain our incapacity to affect

change?

Carl Jones
29 December 2008 at 22:19

If you say so.

purelogic
29 December 2008 at 22:30

so

Nilsey105
29 December 2008 at 23:32

lol

Nilsey105
30 December 2008 at 00:38

purelogic

"... we find ourselves in a huge global environment

and we wonder where we should go. Any ideas?"

I dont know what it is you seek.

Maybe you should consider; Abraham Maslow's Hierarchy Of Needs.

and then look at;

The Rerum Novarum of Pope Leo XIII.

And then seek out the Teaching Methods of Prof Harold Rosen upon which the teaching of english was undertaken in the UK until it was removed by Thatcherism.

gnuneo
30 December 2008 at 01:52

"purelogic, in its purist form, yes. But its not that simple. The right/conservatives are more about change than socialism/communism. Thatcher ripped this country apart, this was part of globalisation and look what this has done to the world. The middle clases (Tories&Nulabour) are obsessed with global population growth, but these alledgdely clever/educated people fail to connect their perceived wealth, based on staggering personal/government debt and SUBSIDISED labor in Britain and the globalisation scam. "

conservatism is the belief that 'people are born bad', and requires strictness to get them to obey their elders, who have the wisdom'. Naturally, this tends towards conserving of the old/old ways.

always an essential part of Society if the society is not to forget its past, its roots, its continuity and internal stories, but should not exclusively be in charge.

the 'Conservative' parties in both US & UK have however since the late 70s NOT been conservative, they have been radical High Modernists, centralised control freaks, neo-liberal (feudal wealth-centralisers), and profoundly anti-democratic (the cornerstone of High Modernism).

true conservatives would have opposed the foreign wars (especially s they were deliberately started by the Elites, and were entirely avoidable), they would have opposed the construction of the Wallmart megalith as it destroyed not only the small mom-and-pop family chemist stores in every town, but also destroyed the local manufacturing base that supplied them, they would have opposed the relaxation upon environmental controls, and would have been forefront in the fight to save the environment (why many Greens are also conservative), they would even have cared about the incomes and living standards of normal workers, citizens - it would have been a source of pride how little poverty there was in their nation.

they would also have opposed the deregulation of the financial sector. And *not* just *AFTER* the event!

gnuneo
30 December 2008 at 02:06

...cont:

conservatism, in its radical form, even moves as far as the notion of Citizens Democracy, where not just homes are owned by the people living there, but also companies. This is what was embodied in the old American Dream, every man (person) a Free Citizen, beholden to no one, neither slave nor slave-holder, an equal participant in both the political, religious and economic Liberty guaranteed by the Constitution.

conservatism has many noble aspects, very much unlike those who currently attempt to claim its mantle.

" Carl Jones

29 December 2008 at 20:26

purelogic, WE don`t have any say in what changes. The NWO has all the bases covered...just an example, Google "Common Purpose" and you get 13, 700,000 results. The NS supports Common Purpose"...its all rather sinister....we could include the Masons, Bilderberg and the Tavistock Group, but then I`d start getting censored.LOL"

carl carl carl: WHY would the NWO bother to lie to us unless it WAS concerned we could effect change? We make a difference, reality is created by ALL the participants.

stephen ford: "Obviously there is not one sentence because the

whole book is a metaphor of the hidden hand of

'greed', for want of a better word. "

'desire for a better life, a better future for your children, and a desire to live in a just and rational world' would be a far better description of the "invisible hand" than mere greed however.

boysfrom
30 December 2008 at 03:36

So that's where he's hidden his sheep!

Carl Jones
30 December 2008 at 09:40

Gnuneo; how can the majority of people effect change, when they don`t understand the construct (MSM) of their own lives? You can only find your way, when you have reference points you can trust. Most of what has happened during the last 10 years wouldn`t pass for a Hollywood "B" script, yet the people swallow the NWO lies as if it were candy. The MSM shouldn`t be reporting that the church disagrees with the government bailout, no, the MSM should be saying "why has it taken you soooo long to speak out"?

I watched David Miliband blatantly lie on TV, he stated that Russia had invaded Georgia....this man is thourghly EVIL and to hear him yesterday on Gaza, sure he wants a ceasefire, but only after Israel has murdered enough Palistinians....the 30`s are repeating themselves.LOL

We can effect change, but the majority of people are brainwashed. The alies were impressed by Hitler`s peropaganda machine and its effect on the German people. Today, the Western public are in the same situation and the best that anyone can come up with, is "we can vote em out"!!!!!LOL As if that would work.

antileft
30 December 2008 at 10:32

Oh and you forgot to tell me what you do for a living. Go on, admit it- youre unemployed!

Carl Jones
30 December 2008 at 11:14

Desperation...lol

We don`t live in an age of proof....we live in an age of "SUPPOUSITION".

anitleft, you are a parasite and I am amazed the NS lets you comment on here, but I won`t complain. You are an excellent example of rightwing filth. You can continue with your sick ways, but I will ignore you from now on.

Nilsey105
30 December 2008 at 11:38

Carl may i offer my congradulations upon your decision.

Nilsey105
30 December 2008 at 11:39

-d +t

Cybertiger
30 December 2008 at 13:11

Of Harryantileft, Jonesy said,

"You are an excellent example of rightwing filth."

I'll echo that ... FILTH, FILth, Filth, filth, poo ..

writeon
30 December 2008 at 18:05

I swore to myself I wouldn't be drawn into any more 'debates' for number of reasons, but I feel the atmosphere is becoming polluted and almost unbearable to read.

Instead of a place with quality, the site in coming to resemble a moronic cesspool, full of bile and people emptying their spleens of invective and abuse.

This constant bullying, baiting and name-calling directed at Carl by Antileft, is really unpleasant and distasteful, and it just goes on and on and on. It's manic.

Antileft's hectoring, bragging, arrogant, tone of triumphant superiority, compared to mere mortals, has many of the characteristic traits of the classic sociopath; overweening pride, lack of conscience, the feeling that one is outside or above the laws that 'ordinary' people are subject to, an excessive belief in one's own abilities, the inflated egotism hiding and compensating for a deepseated insecurity about one's real worth... I could go on, but surely it's obvious that this person Antileft is a profoundly disturbed individual who arguably needs professional help and medication.

Does one really come to the New Statesman to read this kind of rubbish? Is this what one expects? Surely there's a need to moderate this site, impose some kind of intellectual dicipline? I am not asking for political censorship, only minimum standards of decorum, and taste.

These personal attacks on Carl are unworthy and have absolutely no relevance to anything being discussed on these threads. Why is he allowed to continue targetting CarlJones?

If the NS insists on giving him so much space, for whatever unfathomable reason, surely the rest of us could simply ignore him in the New Year and not feed his ego and desire for attention and noteriety? I'm talking about a form of quaranteen I suppose, or sending him to Coventry. I realise this may seem somewhat childish, though as one is dealing with someone who exhibits many of the tiresome traits of an hysterical child in a adult, maybe that's only natural?

Nilsey105
30 December 2008 at 19:28

writeon

As you so very well know the person in question has had targeted your goodself in recent weeks. To a lesser extent he had a pop at me. I chose to not only ignore him but not to partake in any comment in which he was involved.

To me, he is as what i first called him,that being of the same ilk as the NF of the 70s.

He is undoubtedly an infantile disorder. His parents must be extremely disturbed with him.

Control and discipline of the self should be just that and not something imposed from external forces.

Carl Jones
30 December 2008 at 20:11

This is worth a read.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html

And if the link fails, google "If things weren`t bad enough, Russian professor predicts end of USA" by Andrew Osborn.

Cybertiger
30 December 2008 at 20:21

"As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S. In Moscow, Igor Panarin's Forecasts Are All the Rage; America 'Disintegrates' in 2010"

I suggest that as America breaks apart into tiny pieces ... that Texas is towed, piecemeal, out into the Caribbean ... and used by Cuba for nuking practice ... and then sold to the Israelis as a new home ... when the Palestinians have pushed most of the blighters into the Dead Sea.

Carl Jones
30 December 2008 at 20:25

I thought the Isreali`s fall-back camp was Tasmania??lol

Nilsey105
30 December 2008 at 20:29

Very interesting Carl. California has a huge shortage of skilled labour and at the same time seeks caucasians to fill those vacancies by advertisements on UK and EU TV.

The WSJ are paying lip service at least.

stupidland
30 December 2008 at 20:37

effect is a noun

affect is a verb

e.g.

therefore ' to affect change'

this effect made me me look stupid

Nilsey105
30 December 2008 at 20:43

http://texasfred.net/tags/professor-igor-panarin

Fred isnt ruling it out. lol

Nilsey105
30 December 2008 at 20:44

stupidland

30 December 2008 at 20:37

No need for grammar and spelling freaks ty we all know what is meant.

gnuneo
30 December 2008 at 21:37

"So do you think that the government should have much stricter controls on immigration and renationalise things like railways, public utilities and other companies? This appears like the logical step of your argument?"

i don't blame immigrants, i blame the neo-liberal Govt for refusing to modernise the UK economy, and refusing to invest in new start-ups that *can't* be co-opted and exploited by the multi-nationals. Within reasonable limits, *any* healthy economy should be able to absorb numbers of immigrants and migrants - the fact that our economy is so moribund that it apparently cannot, i lay the blame entirely upon the corrupt and incompetent bastards in Whitehall, Parliament and Downing St.

as for renationalisation... i regard it as a half-way house. It is infinitely better to have nationalised services than to have such essential services in the hands of rapacious profiteers, who care not one whit for Quality of service - except as can be spun to give them more profits.

however as far as i am concerned, the *best* solution for virtually all services is to have them as private capitalist partnerships - run by the workers, for the communities they themselves live in. Ironically, in the supposedly 'less developed' world, as the spectacular failures of the multi-nats to run essential services such as water etc became obvious, these services *were* taken over and run by the communities or workers. Although as the depression bites deeper, i would only be surprised if Britons did NOT do the same, when prices are climbing by 25-50% every year - merely to give higher profits for the multinats -, whilst household incomes stagnate or fall, even us 'stoic' Britons will one day say "enough is enough!". God, i hope so, anyway. Surely we haven't become THAT spineless and sheep-like we will watch our children die of dysentery before standing up to the corporations.

i trust rational self-interest and communities long before i trust politicians and corporate goons.

writeon
30 December 2008 at 21:55

Nilsey105,

I just really dislike bullies and their methods. It's a form of intimidation, primative and tiresome. It's like the school playground all over again.

What I don't understand is how someone who is so obviously lacking in understanding, education and intelligence can have such an inflated opinion of themselves and such contempt for others. A person who doesn't understand the meaning of simple words and concepts and brandishes their ignorance and lack of understanding like badge of honour, it's extraordinary!

The idea that someone with such limited intellectual abilities would come here to 'debate with people that are less intelligent than I am' is perversely laughable. How very droll! It reminds me of someone carrying a sign around their neck which states that 'I'm very, very, stupid and ignorant, but don't tell anyone else!'

Who on earth would want to debate with people less intelligent than themselves, what for? What would be the point? To point out the errors in their ways and thoughts? Surely the less intelligent wouldn't be intelligent enough to understand any of this, so the super-intelligence master would be wasting his time and effort? Pearls thrown before swine?

And all this continuous name-calling and endless provocation. It's ridiculous. Embarrassing. Comical in grotesque fashion.

The world is so full of violence, stupidity, arrogance and ignorance, so much senseless hatred and viciousness; should one accept it here too? Do we really need more hate-speech? I'm really sick of it, week after week.

I wouldn't mind so much if there was anything worth arguing about, only there isn't. It's always so childishly primative and lacking in understanding. So superficial and primative. Not challenging, just very irritating. Like having to explain elemental concepts in maths to a very stupid child. But then one stops and thinks that he can't help it. He doens't understand how stupid he is, poor chap, he needs help, but not the type one can get here.

gnuneo
30 December 2008 at 22:02

"I think there is essentially two directions (but there can be a third) for England."

the 3rd way is that the People wake up to their peril, and the total lack of a decent direction by the current crop of 'elected leaders', and choose a completely different direction for the country. Say perhaps voting Green, en masse.

the other main parties all offer identikit policies, no matter what vague pre-election promises they make.

any possible flirtation with National Socialism would be absolutely insane, the LAST thing we need with all the current surveillance technology in place is to have openly centralising power freaks, what we REALLY need is social democracy, aka social libertarianism, aka citizens democracy.

do you know me?

"how can the majority of people effect change, when they don`t understand the construct (MSM) of their own lives?"

there is not ONE person on this planet that understand *everything* - that i can utterly and completely guarantee you. Yet most, when presented with facts, and good, decent and honest analysis, tend towards finding the highest quality choices.

this is *exactly* why the MSM constantly lie to us, that - and the fact that if the journalists told the truth, they would have their careers blighted.

but what the net has given us, in potentia and also actuality, is the X-files dictum writ large - "The Truth Is Out There."

yes, milipede is a snake, who sold his soul to the NuLabour/NWO demons years ago. Those who sell their souls tend to find that whatever riches/power they get in exchange, are never worth what they paid for it.

anti-left: you must realise your ranting at CJ and others can *only* create arguments. You say you require "proofs", yet *you* only offer abuse. One day you will look back upon your posts here, and you will be embarrassed. One day you might even be embarrassed because your children - or even grandchildren! - read these comments and mention them. Do you also stand on streetcorners and shout abuse @ passerbys?

Nilsey105
30 December 2008 at 23:10

writeon

I am not sure if he does need help. I am of the opinion he is just a contrasugestive. A person who wants to stirr the shit just for the sake of it. There are people who get their kicks from such activities of the mind.

Pity.

Nilsey105
30 December 2008 at 23:31

gnuneo

I am of the opinion that the renationalisation of all utilities is essential.

The debate of how they should be managed has to be aired and will be a long drawn out affair.

Each individual company/ organisation has to make a surplus for purposes of future investment. And this investment has to be a realistic figure.

I would contend that all small companies be left to run on a system similar to the way they are at present. The exact detail ,figure,of what makes a small business is open for debate.

Public transport should be managed under the umbrella of county wide institutions similar to the old municiple organs of control.

Immigration is not a problem. We no longer have the jobs available to support large influxes of labour. And the new controls over welfare payments will put off many economic immigrants. There must be, always, places freely available in our society for the refugees and political asylum seekers etc.

stephen
30 December 2008 at 23:37

who enlightened Ron and now the first shepherd.

Good job boys. Time to change track.

writeon
30 December 2008 at 23:43

Nilsey105,

I think you're probably right, up to a point. That's part of it. But there seems to be more to it, in my opinion. What you're describing is a form of narcissism, but with self-flagilation added on for good measure, or rather goading others to do the flagilation and provide the kicks. There's masochism here and craving for attention, any kind of attention. The scream of the hysteric, the stamping of tiny feet in rage. There's probably a sexual element involved in all this, as 'kicks' are often a substitute or stimulous for sexual gratification or the lack of it. It's rather sad in a way. I abuse therefore I exist.

stephen
31 December 2008 at 00:39

Why do think the miracle of miracles happened in the

city of Istanbul, the city divided by water, a city that

divides Asia and Europe.

And who is at the heart of Liverpool's midfield? His

name is Stephen which means 'king'. He

demonstrates pure power on and off the pitch.

wait till the end of the season if you don't believe us

now. It's a one way bet.

Do you only think we were only going to enlighten one

person when we have control of all of you?

stephen
31 December 2008 at 06:56

Yes you're the very last, our survival instinct.

I think to counteract that basic animal instinct we need

a partner, a helper in our lives and children for us to

flourish and to love, and to pass on ourselves.

We need not only to recognise the value of this but

also to be this. There is no perfect balance between

giving and receiving for we each have our own fate.

Suffice to say that if we give something of ourselves

we will receive something in return, and that giving is

not purely monetary. There are many things we can

give that do not require money.

We can not just consume because we end up as pure

greed, and nobody wants to know us. If we take too

many drugs we get rejected even by the people who

are closest to us. This does not mean that we

shouldn't take any drugs but we should be careful

about the type and quantity of our consumption. All

drugs are addictive in some form, cannabis is a lot

more dangerous than you think. Alcohol can also be

dangerous but it gets out of your system quicker.

Buddhism will allow you to have greater control of this

aspect of your life because it enables you to have a

'quieter' mind. You can still laugh and joke and a beer

or two but you don't need to go overboard.

Once you have this kind of control many good things

will come from you and in turn you will receive many

things that will make you happy and those who cross

your path happy. This does not mean that you have to

deny yourself material things but it also means that

you do not judge your life purely on these things. Nor

do you judge the lives of others in this manner.

Each of us will find our own balance. For some of us it

is better to have less than more. It feels really good

not to have any desire to possess something. But at

the same time it feels good to be given something.

In society as a whole you need to look at the children

and help them reach a 'quieter' state of mind, and a

harmony with others. Much more swimming, dancing

and skating time.

stephen
31 December 2008 at 07:23

Cont

Britain should have look at the way some of the

Japanese schools are, and what is happening in New

York at the moment. Children should have time at

school doing activities such as singing together

(doesn't have to be hymns), dancing (especially

partner style, boys and girls) and ice and roller

skating. These will make them feel really good about

themselves and each other. Visits by Buddhists or to

temples can help children. There is no need for

conversion as you don't need to believe in Buddha or

anything. You're just got to do certain things and good

things will come from that.

Adults need to be encouraged to do similar things. To

hang around the office after five o clock is counter

productive not only to themselves and their work, but

also to their family. Lunch times should be at least

one hour with time to swim or something, to refresh. if

possible showers and food should be provided by

companies.

Pubs need to provide things like cheap peppermint,

liquorice tea, coffee and water to provide an

alternative to booze and sugar water.

My tea is ready, i'll continue if you want anti-left

writeon
31 December 2008 at 09:03

My resolution for the New Year is to try to totally ignore Antileft. It's the mix of venom, arrogance and US teenage-speak I can't stand. This absurdity that he's somehow a person of outstanding intelligence 'debating' with people who are on some lower level of understanding compared to him, now that's so comical.

And this constant and primative desire to pin superficial labels on everyone; commie, lefty, idiot, moron, fool and on and on... If only the world were so simple and these labels signified anything anymore. Using the political terminology of the twentieth century, movements and forms of politics that vanished decades ago, seems odd to me.

We are in a period of flux, or rapid, revolutionary change in the way we live. We need new 'labels' to describe the times we live in, which makes things very difficult as understanding what's happening around us is hard to define. For example, what kind of society is the UK? Is it really a democracy anymore? Surely democracy, which in itself is a highly complex and contradictory concept, open to constant debate; surely democracy needs an active and powerful citizenry? After all in a democracy power is supposed to come from and ultimately reside with and in the people, it's what the word 'democracy' means after all!

But do the people have real power? Perhaps. Once every four or five years at election time, but what about the rest of the time? So a form of democracy exists in the UK, but it's highly ritualised, controlled and managed.

What do I believe? I don't know is the simplistic answer. I don't think I believe anything, not really. The more I know the less I believe, especially about politics.

I don't know where I am on the political spectrum and I don't care. I'm very suspicious of political ideology like organised religion. I don't believe that what I believe is important to anyone. Why would it be? Just another primative box to put people in, another worthless label.

stephen
31 December 2008 at 09:18

Oh don't feel so bad on the last day of the year.

Things can only get better!

I'm not against anti-left or for him. he's just part of us...

oh no don't pop back.. what have I wrote!

I'll take me dog for a walk and think about your

questions.

writeon
31 December 2008 at 09:28

Most people do not conform to these primative labels anymore. We are in era of rapid change. Old 'classes' are disappearing and new ones are emerging. Political loyalties are often based on one's 'class' yet their is a time-lag involved as well.

In Germany, for example, there is concern that the traditional 'middle-class' is changing and shrinking. In the East one has a growing middle-class, yet they are politically orientated towards the Left to a far higher degree than in the West of Germany. The balance in society is beginning to move 'leftwards' and what consequences will this have for social stability, as the middle class has always been seen as a bulwark against the 'revolutionary potential' of the traditional working-class.

Just one of the things that makes modern Western society so complex is the move away from traditional democracy towards a new form of society. Very simply put this means a rapid polarization in society. Again, in Germany one can see that the rich are becoming richer and there are more of them. The number of poor is growing at the bottom, and the people in the middle are also under intense pressure economically, though far more are moving downwards than are joining the rich.

It's this pauperisation of the middle-class that's seen as a real threat to the stability of society, especially in times of economic hardship. The middle class not only have educations and ideas they also have the desire to rule and could in fact take over from the traditional leaders of society given the chance. So all over the Western world there is concern about the 'radicalisation' of increasing numbers of the middle-class who no longer identify their interests with those of the ruling elite.

I'm not interested in what people believe in a narrow sense. I'm interested in what they know, how they see and understand the world around them which is so complex and where there is so much confusion and change. How does one make sense of it all?

antileft
31 December 2008 at 10:34

"Britain should have look at the way some of the

Japanese schools are, and what is happening in New

York at the moment."

I dont know about New York but as someone who's worked in Japanese schools I can assure you they shouldnt look there. I couldnt believe it- even more idiotic education than in Britain. Rote learning all the way, 14 hours a day, 6 days a week.

"My tea is ready, i'll continue if you want anti-left"

Sure- go ahead. But dont expect me to pay higher taxes for your tea, swimming, etc during your lunch break.

"My resolution for the New Year is to try to totally ignore Antileft."

You just broke your new year's resolution.

"Using the political terminology of the twentieth century, movements and forms of politics that vanished decades ago, seems odd to me."

None of it has vanished, writeon- and theyre not 20th century terms- "communism" and "capitalism" and "democracy" were first written way before that. And they work perfectly well in the present day- which is why journalists- including pilger here- use them just as much as they always did. Youre the only one with a hang up about it.

"Is it really a democracy anymore?"

Well, in that the system hasnt changed fundamentally for a very, very long time, Id say that if it was once then OF COURSE IT IS. What a stupid, pretentious question.

"What do I believe? I don't know is the simplistic answer. I don't think I believe anything, not really."

Well then who cares what you think?! Go back to the fields and quit rambling- people who dont know what they believe shouldnt debate- they should clean floors etc.

"Old 'classes' are disappearing and new ones are emerging."

They always have!!! So what?! Doesnt mean people cant have opinions!

stephen
31 December 2008 at 10:58

First off you don't have to make sense of it all. Also

you don't have to believe in anything.

The other thing is that not all Western societies are the

same. Here in Australia it is much more egalitarian.

There are richer and poorer people but there's a great

deal more interaction, and less judgement about

people's status. You go to barbqs and there could be

a doctor talking to a cleaner to a lorry driver to a

teacher etc etc. It doesn't matter who you are,

especially inland where I live. People aren't really

judged by their occupation or their wealth. The whole

atmosphere is different. it's very friendly, jokey and

the pace of life is so much slower. There are no traffic

jams. And the opportunity is greater to do your own

thing. But it also depends on your own 'state' of mind.

Of course there is crime but its usually at nights by the

bars. Nowhere is perfect but I know a lot of English

people here who prefer it.

I think it has a lot to do with the numbers of people and

the ability of people to move from place to another.

Many people have cars because they are so

affordable.. me dad said he used to cycle from

Liverpool (Bootle) to the Lake District and back in a

day and there were thousands of people doing it. Few

people could afford cars. That was in the fifties. What

this means is that regional communities get broken up

as people commute huge distances. And people

know that it is much easier for other people to commit

crimes in one area and be a hundred miles away in

the next hour on the motorway. This creates a kind of

unease. Then you have huge numbers of people from

overseas breaking up regional communities even

more. Last time I was in the UK in 2006 it felt like one

big city.

There was still bits of what it was like in the 60s and

70s but there was definitely more of a feeling of

'dissatisfaction', for want of a better word. With the

older people especially.

2b cont

stephen
31 December 2008 at 11:54

I feel that for me and my wife, also from England, and

my children our future lies here. I can see the

divisions in the UK society, and understand the

frustration that a lot of people are feeling. And the

solution is not easy. Ultimately you've got to look for

solutions. The reasons why and the labels you put on

them don't really matter, certainly not in comparison to

what should be done. In a way it is easy from a

distance but can also be harder.

One thing is to try to change the mind set of people.

Obviously this can not be done overnight. Intelligence

in the UK seems to be equated with academic

success, but this is silly because you can fail one year

and pass the next. You can even practice IQ tests to

get better scores. This perception divides people .. 'oh

he's thicko. I'm smarter than you cos i got an A and

you a B. People just have different abilities and skills.

There is no skill that proves you have more

'intelligence' than other people. This whole

perception needs to be debunked.

Then there is the wealth perception.. I'm better than

you (more intelligent) because I've got more money.

Well what about that dustman who won the lottery?

You know the one I mean. kept on getting done for

assault! It doesn't really mean anything.

I too have worked in Japanese schools. In fact I've

taught in over fifty. There are lots of different ones.

The successful ones have a very strong sense of

community, and that's why their behaviour is very

good. I'm not going to debate what you mean by rote

and creative learning is because it is not as simple or

clear cut as people imagine. Also the kids usually

start about 9 and finish at 3, after 3 they do

sports/activites or go home. To me that's only 6 hours.

Sure some teachers almost live there but they only

actually teach about 12 hours a week. I'm thinking

about the strong community spirit and cooperative

classroom, that's what we should try to emulate. How

to acheive that.

Nilsey105
31 December 2008 at 14:30

writeon

You are not alone in your feelings of not knowing where you are at regarding the economic and political situation. Even the most emminent are at a loss.

CBI Director-General Richard Lambert is asking the same questions as some on here have been seeking the answers to,

"What kind of economy do we actually want the UK to have in five or ten years' time?...."

Quoted in the New Civil Engineer 28-12-08

writeon
31 December 2008 at 17:05

Antileft

Why are you always on the cusp of hysteria? Why are you so quick to call other people 'idiots' 'fools' ect? Why are you so abusive? You are always demanding that people bow to you ridiculous demands that they answer you're trite, superficial, 'questions' You're agression is so tiresome, so childish.

You don't appear to understand the words you use, that's why I question your use of them. You need to get a dictionary and look at what these words mean before you use them. It's difficult, if not impossible, to debate with someone who misuses and doesn't understand common phrases, yet at the same time attacks others for being idiots, your favourite phrase. Everyone is an idiot accept you. That is a sign of mental illness, not superior intelligence.

You need to think more and develope humility. Overweening arrogance in someone that so clearly lacks knowledge, wisdom and education, is comical, rather than impressive. Most highly intelligent people I've met in my life have been quite modest, not braggarts, struting around pissing on other people and blowing their own trumphet, shouting about how intelligent they are compared to others.

Nilsey105
31 December 2008 at 18:20

i thought you were going to play golf Stephen ?

Carl Jones
31 December 2008 at 20:18

Stephen, I don`t want to copy another commentor on here, by making personal remarks of a negative nature, but are you married, do you have a gf, or partner? I`d be interested in the course....your 5 iron was your second or third shot???????? I suspect this was a story invented at the 19th.

Nilsey105
31 December 2008 at 20:26

Stephen

you must have been playing all those short under scored holes at Alerton.

I thought it was "T" off.

Nilsey105
31 December 2008 at 20:29

Stephen what make is your dog?

Nilsey105
31 December 2008 at 20:31

Ouch!

FTSE 100 pension schemes are in deficit at year end by £130bn, Deloitte calculates.

Thats a hefty dent in someones pension fund.

Nilsey105
31 December 2008 at 21:01

Stephen

its just 9pm i have to take my dog, Harvey, for a shite before i can hit the pop. The dog is a westie.

my kids are out at their respective piss ups me and her have been invited next door to a party. if i can be arsed we may go there or up to the ale house that dont charge for entry on new years.

Nilsey105
31 December 2008 at 21:05

Happy New Year and all the very best for 2009.

your all going to need it believe me

antileft
01 January 2009 at 03:59

Taghioff- thats the one that works in india.

amanfromMars
01 January 2009 at 09:59

CJ,

The Old, New World Order Program, is in Terminal Catastrophic Decline and Financial Meltdown which their Intelligence Service components are not Intellectually equipped to Deal with. [All that incestuous inbreeding feeding their closetted madness and cosetting badness]

And as for anything which the British Empire model may have put in place in a lunatics palace or spooky space, well, that too is not Fit for Future Purpose either as it servers only for chinless wonders with their snouts snorting in the trough.

The solution will be delivered from the East and it is they who will Benefit and Bask as the Lead Intelligence in the Glory of a New Golden Age, delivered Virtually.

This arrived across the MI5 desk and flew straight over their heads into the Netherlands heading for the Chill Zones of Siberian Cossack Country ...... with China and Japan in on the Plan that makes a Quorum in Quantum Communication 42 TelePort us into a Brave Bold New World without the Shackles of Capital Manipulation and Media Mismanagement strangling Future Derivative Options that Hedge Progress for Personal Profit and Exclusive Excluding Gain ..... Fat Cat Folly.

"Please elevate above Desk Officer level and into Any and All Virtualised Information and CyberIntelAIgent Rendering Theatres of Special Operations which should/could/may be MODified, the following Informational Hyperlink ..... http://amanfrommars.baywords.com/2008/12/26/holiday-special-...

It would save the Ignominy of Ignorance being considered AIdDefence or its Perversion if Spun as an Attack Vector in/from the IT Sector .... which it can so easily be Converted to Server and Protect if one is so Minded.

And although Shared Intelligence in the Public Domain is a Transparent Open Source defence Policy/Programming, it is reasonable to expect a MOD reply should any particular and/or specific private utility/facility be thought an AIdDevelopment worthy of Field Funding."

A Kick up their Fundamentals, I'll warrant.

antileft
01 January 2009 at 11:50

"where were you in India and Japan?"

In India I lived in Mumbai. In Japan, mainly fukuoka. I also travelled a lot around them of course.

Cybertiger
01 January 2009 at 14:07

The serotonin replete, 'stephen' said,

"Now who's talking bananas cybertiger?"

WTF! Where did those talking bananas come from? Not that I could give a flying fig, of course.

Carl Jones
01 January 2009 at 14:42

here`s a GREAT article by David Icke. Its long, but worth reading to the end.

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281

Are you read for the ride? looks like Pilger was right.LOL

sam the pantisocratist
02 January 2009 at 01:48

of course without a left there would be no antileft.

this is the antinomy that we are doomed to wrestle with until at least Thursday.

Happy New Year to all, BTW, especially to all those Gazans who this year have even managed to save on the usual & customary extravagant provision of a pyrotechnical display. Jolly well done.

antileft
02 January 2009 at 03:58

Hey Carl, do you agree with David Icke's other belief: That the NWO is a group of shape-shifting lizard men?? Do tell, Carl, Id love to know! :)

amanfromMars
02 January 2009 at 05:12

"here`s a GREAT article by David Icke. Its long, but worth reading to the end. ... http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281 " .... Carl Jones 01 January 2009 at 14:42

CJ,

Adjust your medication. You are tripping and babbling along with such Ickey nonsense..... for without Hope is there nothing and therefore is it everything.

And Hope's Big Hot Sister, is Imagination ...... which, considering Michelle Obama is codenamed Renaissance to Barack's Renegade, bodes well for the Future.

You seem not to have factored in that more than just a Little Rock Processing has Changed the Communications Environment to ITs Every Core and shattered the Political Landscape with its Effete Elites controlling Empty Dream Banks.

Until such times as they lease lend purchase new IP Sourcing Streams which will work with them, as if for them, will they be easy prey and rotting carrion to those who do and can supply IT...... with the very Real and Present Danger being that the Old Services will be recognised as being totally unnecessary and can be easily replaced, lock, stock and barrel, with something much Better, which does not require their Excessively Selfish and Self-Serving Executive XXXXPertise.

Cybertiger
02 January 2009 at 11:31

"I wish John will write more positive things."

And I wish Stephen would take some Olanzapine (Zyprexa) ... and assuming he already does ... would up the dose. That would be a very positive move for 2009.

amanfromMars
02 January 2009 at 12:14

"It is based on the Book of Mormon which was revealed to Joseph Smith on golden tablets and translated to him by an angel."

The fairer sex are all angels with magical powers if you treat them as they desire, Stephen. Unlock that Key and Surrender WholeHeartedly to ITs Addictive Unbridled Passion for a Control of Power you will be a Humble Master to Imagine for Real.

Are Scientologists, an XXXXPeditionary Zero Day Saint Movement for Former Latter Day Saint Movement Free Radicals? Or are they just Attractive Intelligent Business Models?

Carl Jones
02 January 2009 at 15:48

Stephen, I don`t do any spots today, unless on holiday. I`m 47, until my early 30`s, I`d run, squash, badminton, table tennis, football, swimming (1/2 miles per day) and weights. At the time I had a resting pulse of 38 (now 65 at rest). I used to coach and run a public sports centre, as in part of the management team. I had a bad back for many years, they couldn`t find the problem and touch wood, I`ve been free of pain for over 5 years.

if I could wind the clock back, I wouldn`t have done it. The human body wears out and I agree with Neil Armstrong, "every human body has a finite number of heart beats, I don`t intend to waste any of mine"!!

BTW, I only do it when on holiday, I can still swim 25 metres underwater and I do this about 8 times on every swim, as well as normal lengths. Not bad for a old gimmer.LOL

Carl Jones
02 January 2009 at 20:28

amanfromMars; we will have to just disagree. You seem to think the Western elite (NWO) are in decline....1929 and by 1939 we were in a NWO constructed World War. I suppose you believe Mumbai was a freestanding terror attack?? I`ve already deconstructed Mumbai, but the Newstatesman and their Dark Forces handlers censored it.LOL Big war is coming and a global human cull is HIGHLY likely.LOL

I was watching C4 News tonight, they covered factory closures and lots of angry workers.....all because a bunch of elite bankers conspiratorially decided to stop lending just after the Beijing Olympics...10 months earlier, we were told the BRIC countries were decoupled...wot a joke....as Icke illustrates...a "B" message of "HOPE"!lol 2009 will be hard says Brown....sounds like a Spring election, because 2010 will be just as bad! LOL

Nilsey105
02 January 2009 at 20:48

Stephen;

"...it has a circular motion (if you go in a circle)..."

I would never have guessed.

You pair need to get a few bottles of red inside of yeh.

Boring old farts that you are .

Nilsey105
02 January 2009 at 20:56

The report on C4 news regarding the Chinese workers having lost their jobs and many other such events have been going on for weeks but there has been a News blackout by the MSM across the world.

If the internet didnt exist then news of such things would never surface and the MSM wouldnt have to play catch up as if it had only just discovered what was going on in the world.

Carl Jones
02 January 2009 at 21:09

Stephen; being in the zone, doesn`t just apply to sport, it applies to vertually everthing. I don`t claim to have been very good at any particular sport, but I did get to that special place known as the ZONE...to see a squash ball the size of a grapefruit, as you dig it out of the corner. I used to be able to toe hang from a steel beam and bring my forehead within an inch of the opposing flange, or do one leg FULL squats in repitition....there is nothing like being young....no wonder the NWO controlled MSM spend so much time bashing them, letting them binge drink, dabble in nose candy and generally waste their lives, of course, this is a GENERALISATION, but true.

I suspect the NWO players are in the ZONE, such as Nethabial Rothschild.....oops, better be careful, we don`t want to be censored.LOL

Carl Jones
02 January 2009 at 21:26

Nilsey105

I know its been around a while and I mentioned it over a month ago, but one must keep banging out the contra NWO messages.

As to the internet, its on borrowed time, when the fun kicks off, THEY`ll shut it down, well, at least lockdown censorship!lol Just look at all those cable breaks....LOL

Nilsey105
02 January 2009 at 21:30

well its back to the semaphore, smoke messages and morse code i guess.

Nilsey105
02 January 2009 at 21:58

Not until religion is abolished will there be world peace

Carl Jones
02 January 2009 at 22:21

Nilsey, you miss my point, 99% won`t even notice the net lockdown.lol I`ve raised several topics on this thread and vertually none have been picked up...OK, amanfromMars wanted to bash Mr Icke, but thats about it...I mean, we have an ex KGB accademic forcasting the breakup of the USoA and a US government representative who`s been specifically briefed not to comment on this prediction....lol.....maybe the only way the NWO can form a United Amerikas, is by breaking uup the USoA?

Carl Jones
02 January 2009 at 22:40

If you say so Stephen, I couldn`t possibly comment. :)

Carl Jones
02 January 2009 at 23:07

Comment on what....your unrealistic HOPE?

Nilsey105
02 January 2009 at 23:34

Hope its money for rope

Money for dope

I loved a girl called HOPE

Raven haired, Emerald eyes

She said she kept the faith

A lonely lost soul and waif

I told her she never had any faith to keep

Her folks had come from the west coast

her belief was in God the father and holy ghost

or so i thought till i found out she used to snort

She stole my money whilst callin me honey

havin seen the light i know there is no hope

Nilsey105
02 January 2009 at 23:37

I wish she was just a figment of my imagination.

Carl Jones
03 January 2009 at 00:13

I hope religious leaders actually start engaging in the real world, instead of playing debate catchup with our NWO controlled political leaders!!!!!lol

Carl Jones
03 January 2009 at 00:23

Stephen.....how is your thinking? BTW, the only reason why I`m still up, is that I`m waiting for my daughter to return home from a party...she`s only 16, but very sensible.

Carl Jones
03 January 2009 at 00:24

Stephen, are you feeling alright?

Nilsey105
03 January 2009 at 01:13

Stephen

we are at a cross roads. if things dont change we are doomed.

i dont see any change taking place at present

in fact things are progressively becomming worse

i just realised when i , and at times we, say change we never qualify it because we believe our change is for the better always.

social cohesion is breaking down in the UK.

A report just published claims working class people on council estates are worried about immigration and the jobs and houseing that immigrants are getting and are pushing people down the housing list further and further.

This aint just on council estates i live on a private estate and most people in our pubs think the same as those on the council estates . We are mainly skilled and middle class on the private estates.

Some thing has to give the tensions are growing on a daily basis.

The holiday period ends with a return to work on Monday. From then on we will see in the next few weeks after what the world is going to look like .

And if any change is going to take place.

antileft
03 January 2009 at 03:48

"As to the internet, its on borrowed time, when the fun kicks off, THEY`ll shut it down"

Then why did "they" invent it in the first place?!

But a far more interesting question- David Icke believes that the NWO are a group of shape-shifting lizard men. Do you also believe this? Let's hear it, Carl. Quit dodging the question.

antileft
03 January 2009 at 03:52

"social cohesion is breaking down in the UK."

Nonsense- its been a violent, beer fueled place for centuries. You just havent read enough history.

Carl Jones
03 January 2009 at 09:57

Its funny how a casual poll involving 40 something people can hit the BBC TV News headlines and get a "holiday time" comment from Hazel Blears...Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government.....and all done on the wackiest none day of the holiday, the Friday after New Years Day and the weekend.....looks like policy building on the hoof and and a posturing movement towards the "right".

More NWO propaganda/brainwashing.LOL

Yesterday, I heard some numbers from the BBC, which I`ve not been able to find in print. Of course, this WAS VERY EARLY yesterday, just before I left for work, but I swear I heard the BBC say the UK was heading for a GDP slump of nearly 25%!! This tactic isn`t often used by BBC TV, as too many are recording, but they do this all the time on Ceefax and BBC Radio 5 Live....did anyone else hear it??LOL

FreedomLand
03 January 2009 at 10:02

Premiere of Pilger's 'Palestine is still the issue' - Electronic Intifada, 10 September 2002

"...John Pilger's documentary 'Palestine is still the issue' had its premiere today in London at the Institute of Contemporary Arts. After showing their latest film, both Pilger and his producer Christopher Martin appeared on stage and took questions..... Pilger wrote in the New Statesman, 'if you got your news only from the television, you would have no idea of the roots of the Middle East conflict, or that the Palestinians are victims of an illegal military occupation.'

The film sees Pilger return to the Middle East, twenty-five years after first reporting from the region, to ask why Palestinians are still refugees in their own land and to explore the effects of the Israeli occupation on the day to day lives of ordinary Palestinians..... http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article655.shtml

Palestine is Still the Issue - a documentarey by John Pilger, 2006 (52 min.):-

"...what the occupation did for us..... it reduced us into enemies..."

"...occupation has become the cancer that is eating the lives of both people..."

"...this is a huge bluff of the Israeli establishment..... that every criticism of its policies is anti-Semitism..."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1259454859593416473

JANUARY - so far.....

BEIRUT, Lebanon -- A boat carrying international peace activists and medical supplies to the embattled Gaza Strip was turned back and damaged by the Israeli navy..... (scroll down for pics).....

"Sudanese Sami al-Hajj, right, a cameraman for the pan-Arab Al-Jazeera Television who spent six years in U.S. custody at Guantanamo Bay before being freed earlier this year, is welcomed after arriving aboard the vessel SS Dignity, from the group Free Gaza, in the southern port city of Tyre, Lebanon..." http://sweetness-light.com/archive/mckinney-aid-to-terrorist...

FreedomLand
03 January 2009 at 10:10

In Palestine, a War on Children - by John Pilger, June 15, 2006

"The reason Israel fears Hamas is that Hamas is unlikely to be a trusted collaborator in subjugating its own people on Israel's behalf. Indeed, the vote for Hamas was actually a vote for peace. Palestinians were fed up with the failures and corruption of the Arafat era. According to the former U.S. president Jimmy Carter, whose Carter Center verified the Hamas electoral victory, "public opinion polls show that 80 percent of Palestinians want a peace agreement with Israel."

How ironic this is, considering that the rise of Hamas was due in no small part to the secret support it received from Israel, which, with the U.S. and Britain, wanted Islamists to undermine secular Arabism and its "moderate" dreams of freedom. Hamas refused to play this Machiavellian game and in the face of Israeli assaults maintained a cease-fire for 18 months. The objective of the Israeli attack on the beach at Gaza was clearly to sabotage the cease-fire. This is a time-honored tactic..." http://www.antiwar.com/orig/pilger.php?articleid=9144

FreedomLand
03 January 2009 at 10:31

JANUARY: Tony Blair is.....to stand trial for war crimes for his part in the illegal... attack on a defenceless country [Palestine] justified by proven lies, and for the subsequent physical, social and cultural destruction of that country, causing the death of up to a million people [in Gaza]..."

"Prior to Blair's criminal warmaking, ideology was denied by him and his media mystics. "Blair can be a beacon to the world...He is] turning leadership into an art form." Today, merely insert "Obama".....

Barack Obama is being lauded by liberals but the truth about him is that he represents the worst of American power. John Pilger reports from Texas..... the subtext of Barack Obama's "oratory". He says he wants to build up US military power; and he threatens to ignite a new war in Pakistan, killing yet more brown-skinned people.....

Martin Luther King recognised this when he linked the human rights of black Americans with the human rights of the Vietnamese, then being slaughtered by a "liberal" Democratic administration. And he was shot..... Colin Powell, was used to "investigate" and whitewash the infamous My Lai massacre. As Bush's secretary of state, Powell was often described as a "liberal" and was considered ideal to lie to the UN about Iraq's non-existent weapons of mass destruction. Condaleezza Rice..... has worked assiduously to deny the Palestinians justice.....

Obama's first two crucial appointments represent a denial of the wishes of his supporters on the principal issues on which they voted. (VP) Joe Biden, is a proud warmaker and Zionist. Rahm Emanuel, who is to be the all-important White House chief of staff, is a fervent "neoliberal" devoted to the doctrine that led to the present economic collapse and impoverishment of millions. He is also an "Israel-first" Zionist who served in the Israeli army and opposes meaningful justice for the Palestinians..... http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2008/11/barack-oba...

Carl Jones
03 January 2009 at 11:16

The last three comments are very good, but I thought we had established this in earlier comments and previous articles. In retrospect, i suppose its worth repeating....the future is more of the past and I think, MUCH WORSE than people understand.

antileft
03 January 2009 at 11:16

"More NWO propaganda/brainwashing.LOL"

Lol indeed. But when it comes to "brainwashing", youre not very good at spreading the truth, are you Carl? My question yet again: David Icke (who you seem to respect) believes that the NWO are a group of shape-shifting lizard men. Is this the truth? Im sure we'd all like to hear about it Carl.

"Yesterday, I heard some numbers from the BBC, which I`ve not been able to find in print. Of course, this WAS VERY EARLY yesterday, just before I left for work, but I swear I heard the BBC say the UK was heading for a GDP slump of nearly 25%!! This tactic isn`t often used by BBC TV, as too many are recording"

And yet... Youve never caught them, have you Carl?? I wonder why? Perhaps because its all a big fantasy? Or do you simply not have enough money to buy a video recorder? What a terrible shame that would be- your cutting edge journalism and exposure of the truth would, ahem, be tragically lost to history.

The NWO make so many obvious, simple mistakes, dont they? And yet, you can never quite show us anything which would suggest youre right.

Now tell us about those lizards, fatso.

antileft
03 January 2009 at 11:23

"Obama's first two crucial appointments represent a denial of the wishes of his supporters on the principal issues on which they voted."

Where on earth does the NS get these posters?! Obama's supporters- or at least the ones that count (the ones that vote for him)- are very pro- israel. It isnt just American jews or republicans who are pro-israel. It's the majority of the country. Just because YOU dont agree with his support for israel doesnt mean that american voters dont.

Yes yes and of course before you say it- I wish hed be more even handed and less pro-israel too, but dont try and back that argument with false statistics.

Carl Jones
03 January 2009 at 11:56

I think some of these posters are in the doughnut, the basement in the US Embassy and Langley.LOL I won`t even get into the jewish lobby, as I will get censored.LOL

FreedomLand
03 January 2009 at 11:56

Carl Jones: "...I thought we had established this in earlier comments.... its worth repeating....the future is more of the past..."

The point IS what IS happening today in JANUARY 2009, Carl..... and I'd rather quote Pilger on a Pilger topic than have my own words deleted on an Israel/Palestine topic.

But the future is the tomorrow we made for ourselves yesterday. Of course, others had a hand in it too but, at least spiritually, we are individually the masters of our own destiny, if we but so choose.

Carl Jones
03 January 2009 at 12:13

freedomLand; there is a mach in London today, THEY say about 20,000 are going to turn up....this is their chosen DESTINY...now, if I thought this 20,000 were going to attack the Isreali/US embassies and the CITY of London, then I`d join them, its time for people to take seroius action. I`ve talked to bank owners who are supprised the people aren`t throwing bicks through bank windows.

Democracy has failed the West, voting and peaceful protest isn`t enough. Must go, visitors have arrived.LOL

FreedomLand
03 January 2009 at 12:48

Carl Jones, but unlike Hamas, there is little to be achieved in attacking embassies or the City authorities. Hamas is actually at war against an enemy occupation of 60+ years, not making reactionary demonstrations, but you might find that the Maciavellian manipulations of the British authorities actually means that they have been effectively at war with the British people for ages.

That IS what the art of war is all about and winning at any cost is always on the agenda as well as live and let die. And thus it is not the banksters who are the real enemy so much as the people in power at the top who (a) knew what was happening and what was going to happen over the past 30+ years, and (b) are the ones who are totally inept, incompetent and irresponsible in their failures as regulators and legisaltors.

Carl Jones
03 January 2009 at 14:28

FreedomLand, you are too kind to the elite. You can`t have watched the last BBC Panorama....smug criminals.

I really don`t see any light between Britain, Israeli and the US. I think really big ---- is going to happen, another NWO sacrifice.

Carl Jones
03 January 2009 at 14:34

Todays Times has a headline, that Israeli is allowing foreigners to leave, before attacking.....THIS IS A WAR CRIME and its preemptive GENOCIDE!! A bit like General Kimmits warning women and children to leave Fallujah, before strafing the city with gunships....even Blair said in the house, that this was worrying!

FreedomLand
03 January 2009 at 15:04

Carl Jones, oh, the US does wish another "NWO sacrifice" to cover its guilt over what else it is about to do - printing money to cover the fact that it hasn't got any, introducing hyper-inflation following deflation to evaporate the debt it cannot afford to ever repay, uhh.

The banksters have of course been part of the game but they could have been stopped if the regulators had wanted. Any attempted action was derailed years back. Its all been arranged by the denizens of the black lagoon (err, I mean Jackson Hole, Wyoming) and their club for ages.

Additionally, though, this all prejudices the operation of the military-industrial complex and that IS a monster which doesn't want to be interfered with, whether in the USA or elsewhere.

Interesting what you mention about Fallujah in view of the fact that (a) Hamas might have acquired anti-armor IED's now, and (b) "...Israeli officials said Hamas had also acquired dozens of Iranian-made Fajr-3 missiles with an even longer range. Many feared it was only a matter of time before the nuclear installation at Dimona, 30km east of Beersheba, falls within Hamas's sights. Dimona houses Israel's only nuclear reactor and is believed to be where it stores warheads for its nuclear missiles..." http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24866270-...

Carl Jones
03 January 2009 at 17:19

FreedomLand

The Iranian leadership are US/UK puppets, its a big game....Hamas and the wider Palistinian population have been infiltrated. Iran will only be arming Hamas, if the NWO desires it and timing is all important....we await Joe Biden`s "new international crisis".LOL

There is more chance that the US, or Isreal, will drop a nuke onto a ship off the Isreali coast, but the NWO controlled MSM will report that the nuke was on the ship and came from some Muslim state, this should have the Muslim world on the run, for the next 100 years....Germany 2.LOL

moses737
03 January 2009 at 17:26

And Satan Clause is going to come down your chimney and give you some great and wonderful gifts also! Face it guys; we are being ruled by vicious international mobsters and luciferians who only have one god; lucifer and the money and great wealth that he is able to give them as he teaches them how to steal and enslave the masses. This will eventually lead to a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT AND TOTAL WORLD SLAVERY. With their beast chip waiting in the wings to turn you all into their beast chipped brainless and autonotomic slaves of their new world antichrist order!!

And only God and Jesus will save you from their wicked enslavements and the total theft of everything that you have. Including your eternal souls!!

Nilsey105
03 January 2009 at 17:39

Oh f-ing ell.

Is this the one true god that all mono theistic religions take their leads from?

Judaism, Christianity and Islam all share the same god so whats the big deal in them wanting to be at loggerheads with each other? They should all grow up and act as adults and mend their ways and differences.

Nilsey105
03 January 2009 at 17:48

Its not hyper-inflation we have to worry about.

Its hyper-deflation we need to avoid.

But i am afraid its just arrived on our door steps as we speak.

Pubs are offering meals for a pound per person and booze at a pound per pint or glass of wine.

As these prices are dropped by the pubs so people will avoid buying them in the hope that next week they will drop to 50pence for the same meal and drink.

And on and on the ever decreasing spiral will go till they all go POP like the over inflated ballon.

Nilsey105
03 January 2009 at 21:24

its thge spiral of hyper-deflation that goes POP.

Nilsey105
03 January 2009 at 21:29

Stephen talks like a commontator

about Gordon he considers a dictator

when what we need is a King Edward

or even a Maris Piper will suffice

Nilsey105
03 January 2009 at 21:37

Stephen

what makes you think i dont wear smart clothes all the time?

Why do you want to know about the feelings i had whilst writing that poem?

Why should i attend a service in the church of england when i am not of that faith?

Why should i think about roller skating?

Carl Jones
03 January 2009 at 23:52

I can`t believe it, Gordon is nothing but a puppet and you lot think he`s important...they tried to assassinate him last January, he survived and the only reason why the MSM are supporting him is David Davis.LOL

saucepanbach
04 January 2009 at 02:15

my dad had little time for most journalists - Alistair Cooke and yourself being rare exceptions.

More power to your elbow and greater clarity to your expression in 2009...... thanks for your continuing effort..... it actually DOES matter.

Carl Jones
04 January 2009 at 10:21

Yesterdays Time tells us the government is preparing another bank bailout!! LOL

I did comment about 3 weeks ago that this would happen and it won`t be the last bailout....more debt money = hyperinflation = social unrest and shop shelves going empty.lol

amanfromMars
04 January 2009 at 12:06

CJ,

The Age of the Warmonger peddling Naked Short Fractional Reserve Capitalism as a Democracy Model worth having in Peace and worth fighting for, is Long Gone to the Wall, with its Foundations and Establishment Beings found out as being Unfit for Future Purpose. However that does not preclude them from Leading a New NeuReal SurReal System with them Financing the Operation with Funding which takes Care of their Needs with Alternate Feeds. Anything less will see them Truly Exposed and Catastrophically Overwhelmed by Event which would be QuITe beyond their Limited Comprehension.

And here is a Markets Opportunity for Leaders to Command even should they have No Basic Nascent Knowledge in Virtual Control Parameters in Cloud Networks InterNetworking .. http://amanfrommars.baywords.com/2009/01/04/090104/ .. for IT easily Provides IT to them for Power Distribution.

It would be a Fatal/Terminal Mistake though for Established Legacy Forces to Waste any more Time and Effort in Thinking that Change necessarily needs their Input/Output rather than IT just be Offered to them to keep them in the Great Game, for their Future SkillSets have been Discovered to be Fundamentally Lacking in Rigourous Candour .. which is an Unforgiveable Omission leading Nowhere from Anywhere and Everywhere, when chosen in an Arrogance which Fosters a Succouring Ignorance.

Nowadays, One can do Much More,so Much Better and More Easily than was Ever Possible Before and Only the Confirmed Fool would Choose to Stick to a Past Course in a Future Project/Civil CyberSpace Program.

And as you can read in the provided hyperlink., Home Team Players have been thrown down a gauntlet , which will Deliver a Changed and Changing Intelligence Environment, .. but on the InterNetional Stage, any Ready, Willing and SMARTer Enabled Foreign Source is also always cordially Invited to pick IT Up and Run with the Flow/Lead in the Challenge/Share in the Spoils.. with a Full and Comprehensive Instruction Manual Provided.

Nilsey105
04 January 2009 at 13:07

amanfromMars

Your link is not working

Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn't here.

Carl Jones
04 January 2009 at 13:21

amanfromMars

I think you read for too much into IT. As per BBC link, Brown says no risk of inflation (hyperinflation) in this "time period"....deconstructed, we are in a time period of deflation (which will force wages down). What Brown is saying here, is that our NWO agenda is publically focusing on the "NOW" and I (Brown) am not prepared to talk about the next "time period"....when he could be leaving his "NWO front of office desk job".LOL

Its all a "CONSTUCT" and all of you are missing the point and likely doing so, because the reality is, that you are all, to some degree, "embedded" in the system.LOL

Around August/September 2007, I must have heard/read 20-30 MSM reports that the "BRIC" countries "WERE DECOUPLED" from the West....another NWO MSM lying message....over 60,000 factories are expected tp close in China...container ships which cost £40,000 per day, are now fetching £1,700 per day....the shelves will soon start going bare and with all this debt money being pumped into the system, we are going to have "HYPERINFLATION"....so high unemployment, falling wages, empty shelves, higher taxes and HYPERINFLATION....and the reason why the NWO wants this senario.....because they want to inflate themselves out of debt....especially the US/UK.

"YOU" can think IT, but make no mistake, the same elite that was in place during the 20`s was still in place in the 50`s...after their DESIGNED DEPRESSION/SECOND WORLD WAR and they will still be in control in 2020. Puppets like Obama and Brown will be gone....but the NWO will still be pulling the strings, but the world population will be under 2 billion by then and we really will be in the age of the machines....just look at the preditor r/c killer...the REALITY is, we don`t need commercial pilots, one ground based pilot/controller can fly 10 commercial plans at once. 6.5 billion people are not in the recovery equation, so gey your heads around IT. :)

Rabbit63
04 January 2009 at 14:28

@Carl Jones

"I do have serious concerns that Israel will be sacrificed by the NWO."

For many of us that is at least the one bright spot and I tend to agree with everything else you wrote.

By the way my first comment to this effect got censored a few seconds after it went up. What sort of rag is this?

Rabbit63
04 January 2009 at 14:34

It isn't as if any of it is that hard to foresee, so long as you don't rely on this sort of publication and the rest of the MSM for your news and views.

Some of us have been well prepared thanks to taking notice of more serious outlets, however much the falling old guard MSM wail about unprofessional bloggers etc. What makes them professionals? Their employer?

The result is I have long since managed my affairs to not only survive but take advantage of things. I have been buying gold long before it began to get scarce, (you didn't know it is scarce? Try buying some of the real stuff.) Have structured my business to take advantage of a depression and already as the premature reaction of people is costing my opposition dearly, my business is booming. I guess they didn't read the right people eh?

Rabbit63
04 January 2009 at 14:41

By the way, John Pilger was always one of the right people to listen to.

Nilsey105
04 January 2009 at 16:55

Rabbit63

Whats with the sycophancy?

amanfromMars
04 January 2009 at 17:32

CJ,

The Now is Cared for Better whenever the Future is dDelivering the InfraStructure with Printed Paper lavishly Given to Big Spending Civil Society Engineers ....... BetaTesting AIMaster Pilots Painting a Virtual Course to Inhabit and Populate with Plant and Materials with which to Build and Educate.

And surely we hear every day of massive magical funds for bail-out and regeneration but nary a detail of who receives what and what for. What is the Future Promise attached to Disbursed and Grant Funds? Is Anything Fully Guaranteed and FailSafed?

Carl Jones
04 January 2009 at 20:14

A prediction for 2009, the likes of Lynas will be much more quiet...if not, there will be more lies on climate change...er sorry, GLOBAL WARMING!LOL

Solar activity isn`t even within the hi/low predictions and IT looks like going into territory not seen before.LOL Sea ice is back to 1970 levels....in fact, its going to get soooo cold, we are all going to starve.LOL

Carl Jones
04 January 2009 at 20:20

I see Isreal is committing grave war crimes by using "PHOSPHOURS munitions".....the NWO MSM chat on a ceasefire, is in reality a decoy to hide Israeli war crimes.

Carl Jones
04 January 2009 at 21:16

hmns....sorry, but strang suff does happen.

Carl Jones
04 January 2009 at 22:57

Have you noticed this government push on drinking too many units of alcohol? I find it amazing that soooo much effort is used on alcohol, when illegal drugs are openly delivered on London`s streets....just 1.75 miles from Parliament, in day light.....with CCTV....LOL

This is your NWO construct.LOL

Nilsey105
04 January 2009 at 23:24

FFS Carl your slow

lower prices = lower tax income to government. lmao

Carl Jones
05 January 2009 at 00:08

Love Stephen, I didn`t set out to upset you. Its not about being BETTER, its about engaging others, people. Many of your comments are directed at ME and MY perspective, is that YOU are failing to ENGAGE me.

I come here and make comments to engage people, they don`t have to reply, they can ignor me, but its not just those who openly reply, as there are others who just read....monitor what you say, for what its worth.lol

Carl Jones
05 January 2009 at 00:15

Nilsey105....I didn`t state the order, or there relative efect on each other....lower prices might mean lower taxes, but this does not mean less tax. :)

Carl Jones
05 January 2009 at 01:32

Solutions to what is happening....those whe make things happen already have their solutions prepared. :)

FreedomLand
05 January 2009 at 03:26

Carl Jones - 03 Jan: "US/UK puppets, its a big game....Hamas and the wider Palistinian population have been infiltrated. Iran will only be arming Hamas..."

You misunderstand, Carl Jones, it is this blog which has been infiltrated - by some fool from down under. Talking about one of her films once, Indian director Mira Nair did warn us of "stupid Australians" who she merely used for effect when nothing serious was happening.

But there are two other games bing played. One is ostensibly under the control of the Americans but it won't stay that way as it involves M.East countries relating to each other apart from what the Great Satan spouts from "the seven hills of Rome" (the G7, now whatever). The Arab world is currently undergoing a change as well and the map that was drawn post WW2 is not going to stay that way - and the current 'shahs' loyal to the already-outdated NWO will be deposed.

Apart from that, the People of Palestine ARE Hamas and the People of Lebanon ARE Hezbollah. These are not simple political ambits which can be 'decapitated' at will. That is, they can't be infitrated, only split and that has already happened with Fatah and Abbas playing an ever smaller game. And the game that Iran is playing is like Saddam's game only their main ally is Russia, not the USA, and they are a theocracy, not a corporate republic. Thus they cannot be bought off like Egypt or S.Arabia.

The "wishful thinking" is that the EU wil have its gas delivered from Iran or Russia as well as its oil despite their own foolery in endlessly trying to manipulate and scheme to 'control' things that don't need to be controlled for the sake of some tiny mini colonialist settler society of 7 million who they have ridiculously naive PC assumptions about from the 1940's. The Arabs have been traders for longer than Britain has existed as a state but they won't go on having Christendom's fake morality shoved down their throats.

antileft
05 January 2009 at 04:18

"YOU are failing to ENGAGE me."

But hang on a second Carl- Im the only one who's actually engaging your little ideas here- and youre avoiding it. I keep asking questions about "the NWO" and you keep dodging. Im sure many others would also like to know if the NWO are a group of shape shifting lizard men, as David Icke says. So why arent you engaging?? Perhaps because youre not trying to engage in a serious exchange of ideas- youre just trying to invent a big fantasy to make yourself feel better- because its easier than sorting yourself out mentally. I agree with Stephen- you need more exercise, less tv, better food, a more wholesome life.

It's you who's not engaging- you just blabber but dont reply to legitimate questions. That's why I end up poking fun of you personally- you always dodge the tough questions or make some silly little comment with "LOL" at the end before starting another ramble. You need to sort yourself out, Carl, seriously.

FreedomLand
05 January 2009 at 07:21

# "...those whe make things happen already have their solutions prepared..."

Wrong, Carl, those ARE their solutions. They are intentionally distracting us from THEIR mad main game - even if it is no more than they are totally inept at that, too. After all, they who play Machiavellian politics instead of following the primrose path to enlightenment are the biggest fools of all, uhh.

But what are we in ever voting for either of two camps of self-serving psychopaths? How clever are we in judging when we have all been suckered into a 'pea and thimble' trick from childhood? Our institutions are there to serve them, not us. In the end, we have merely served their egos - and are ultimately left with the bill, whether in economic terms as NOW or in the 1930's or in military terms as in 1914 and 1939 and so forth.

Nilsey105
05 January 2009 at 09:32

Back to the nitty gritty as another one goes to the wall.

Royal Doulton owner Waterford Wedgwood falls into administration

Rabbit63
05 January 2009 at 10:58

Nilsey105

Was that supposed to be a response to anything I wrote?

Cretin!

FreedomLand
05 January 2009 at 11:09

As the title of this topic deals with the future and our transition form previous events, lets look at things from a paraphrased Japanese anime context, "Shin seiki Evangelion Gekijô-ban: Shito shinsei".....

The story of Evangelion begins in 2008 with the "Second Impact", a global cataclysm which almost completely destroys the World Bank and leads to the deaths of half the human population of Earth. The Impact is believed by the public and even most of UNerv to have been the impact of a meteorite causing devastating tsunamis and a change in the Earth's axial tilt (leading to global climate change) and subsequent geopolitical unrest, nuclear war (the nuking of Damascus and Cairo and Teheran), and general economic distress. Later, Second Impact is revealed to be the result of contact with and experimentation on the first of what are collectively dubbed the Angels: Adam. The experiments were sponsored by the mysterious organization Seeley Dan, and carried out by the research organization Gehirn Reich (GB).

Evangelion: Death - the first part of the film (1995) covers the fight against the invading giant robots known as Angels. The only defence against them is the Nerv organisation's EVAs, giant biomechanical robots piloted by humans.

Evangelion: Rebirth - reveals why humanity and the Angels cannot co-exist: the Angels were not aliens but failed attempts by the organisation Seele (German for "soul") to move humanity onto a higher plane of evolution by subsuming all individual souls into one giant soul - a plan known as the Human Instrumentality Project..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRyo0FoKzqM

FreedomLand
05 January 2009 at 11:11

But to continue to The End of Evangelion and life as we know it, lets attempt some "wishful thinking" for 2009 and beyond.....

In the year 2010, GB had accomplished a number of its scientific and engineering goals and corporately changed into the paramilitary organization UNerv which is headquartered in ME-3, a militarized civilian city located on one of the last dry sections of the Ancient Land; UNerv's central mission is to locate the remaining Angels predicted by Seeley Dan, and to destroy them. However, UNerv has its own secret agenda, as directed by its Machiavellian commander Gendo Ikari Moon: the Human Instrumentality Project, which, according to Gendo is the task of uniting all human minds into one global spiritual entity. Associated with UNerv is the Marduk Institute named after the "solar calf" and patron deity of the city of Babylon, which has the task of selecting the pilots for the Evas, the most capable being children conceived after the Second Impact. The institute consists of Commander Ikari Moon, and UNerv's chief scientist Ritsuko Akagi Kimchi; supporting the two are 108 ghost companies.

As the first episode opens in the year 2009, Gaza is being attacked by the third Angel. Conventional weapons prove ineffective, largely due to its projected force field called Truth. UNerv takes command of the battles, and is able to intercept and defeat the Angels using the Evangelions (Evas), biomechanical mecha previously developed in secret by GB inside the Geofront located underground and underneath the Ancient Land....

FreedomLand
05 January 2009 at 11:19

BTW, the link for that story synopsis is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon_Genesis_Evangelion_(TV_series) and the names have been changed to protect the guilty, duh. if you want to check up, there are masturbation scenes in the movie..... but politics in 2009 is already all about what the wankers have left for us.

amanfromMars
05 January 2009 at 11:53

"# "...those whe make things happen already have their solutions prepared..."

Wrong, Carl, those ARE their solutions. They are intentionally distracting us from THEIR mad main game - even if it is no more than they are totally inept at that, too. After all, they who play Machiavellian politics instead of following the primrose path to enlightenment are the biggest fools of all, uhh. " .... FreedomLand 05 January 2009 at 07:21

Actually FreedomLand, the Political Landscape has changed into QuITe A.N.Other Field and into a NeuReal Statesman's Discipline which all the Old Team Players/Old Boys' Networks which CJ and Conspiracy Theorists would allude to, are not equipped to handle, other than to Fund should they wish to be kept abreast in the lead with what the Future will deliver.

And whisking away the News to keep it hidden from viewing in a System as leaky as a colander is never ever going to hide away News ...... and it will also expose hidden agendaists propping up a corrupting regime.

Here is a prepared Solution ......"The cancerous enemy force within Dictating States " ... which will work for Anyone and Guarantees Positive Returns if IT chooses you to be Anyone worth working with and/or for, for IT does not suffer the Request of Fools into Deceit and Spin in Order to Maintain and Retain False Privilege and therefore a QuiTe Immoral and probably also Criminal Advantage ..... http://tiny.cc/nFtQz

FreedomLand
05 January 2009 at 12:59

Oh, yes indeed, #amanfromMars, "quantitative easing" is the term being used for printing money regardless - and this is why M3 money supply figures are now confidential. What did the Weimar Republic call it then in the 1930's???

Quote: Quantitative easing, a way to flood the banking system with large amounts of money, "is a way to mimic below-zero rates and provide support to the economy,".....

The process often involves buying up large quantities of assets from banks, such as the Fed's latest programs to buy mortgage-backed securities.....

"If it were not constrained by zero ["official interest rates already effectively at zero..."], those models would want to push it below zero, but that's not possible," Evans told reporters after a panel at the American Economic Association's meeting in San Francisco.....

"I believe a BIG stimulus is appropriate," Evans said [gleefully - smell a rat?]. "But it is sobering to be deploying large amounts of taxpayer funds at a time when our fiscal balance sheet is already coming under significant stress." http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE5021V320090104?s...

But for the more serious-minded - Fed has abandoned monetary policy, critic says: (Reuters) - "The Federal Reserve has embarked on a campaign of unsupervised industrial policy to end the country's financial crisis, a move that could undermine its independence..... John Taylor, who was under secretary of treasury for international affairs...., said the explosive growth of the Fed's balance sheet since September was "unbelievable."

"This doesn't really seem like quantitative easing in the sense of finding a growth rate in the money supply..... "What you are looking at now is really being determined by other considerations. How much should we buy of mortgage-backed securities? How much should we loan to foreign central banks? This is really more like an industrial policy,"..." http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE50306H20090104?s...

Carl Jones
05 January 2009 at 14:40

I see the censors are back with a vengence.LOL

amanfromMars
05 January 2009 at 14:40

By the Way, FreedomLand, I just love the "paraphrased Japanese anime context, "Shin seiki Evangelion Gekijô-ban: Shito shinsei"..... " ..... 05 January 2009 at 11:09.

Do you think there is a Real Parallel Running Virtually with Blighty Boffinry Driving IT? I would declare .....Yes, there most definitely is.

FreedomLand
05 January 2009 at 15:25

You're welcome to develop it further, #amanfromMars. Having read the pukkha Raj Boys' Own Manual 1901 through to 1918 editions, I can assure you that it is the same "Blighty Boffinry" indeed, duh.

Do check the English subtitled clips of some of the songs from that - the Japanese actually have a much sweeter view of reality than most Westerners.

After the holidays, thank goodness this blog (and others) is now getting cleaned of modern-day Edgar Alen Poes who would bore us with their comment whilst waiting urgently for their drug deliveries.....

Nilsey105
05 January 2009 at 17:01

FreedomLand

After "quantitative easing" has failed will the sky be filled with helicopters dropping loads of dosh for the masses to get their money back?

amanfromMars
05 January 2009 at 17:21

"After "quantitative easing" has failed will the sky be filled with helicopters dropping loads of dosh for the masses to get their money back?" .... Nilsey105 05 January 2009 at 17:01

Now there's a Novelty. You wouldn't happen to have landing coordinates, Nilsey105, for I have a String of Cunning Plans to Feed with Needs and some folding money would be XXXXStreamly Convenient. I Do Solemnly Swear and Promise to Return it All ASAP through the System for Future Spending too.

One wonders why Warren and George and Bill and Paul and .....and ..... are not similarly Engaged. Do they need a Friendly Hand in Order to Spend their amassed Paper Fortunes.

Nilsey105
05 January 2009 at 20:38

Stephen

Perhaps you find this more to your likeing?

"Police have been given the power to hack into personal computers without a court warrant. The Home Office is facing anger and the threat of a legal challenge after granting permission."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/new-powers-fo...

Nilsey105
05 January 2009 at 21:12

Stephen

05 January 2009 at 20:54

nobody messes with us scousers

Your the type of dip stick who gets scousers a bad name and reputation.

Either grow up or do one.

Nilsey105
05 January 2009 at 21:41

the chanting of the football terraces is not always accepted on serious issues of the day that are under dicussion in an old established journal such as the New Statesman.

FreedomLand
06 January 2009 at 00:03

Nilsey105: "After "quantitative easing" has failed will the sky be filled with helicopters dropping loads of dosh for the masses to get their money back..?"

Well, in the good ol' USA, that's how "helicopter" Ben Bernanke got his nickname, uhh. With what is coming next, he'll have to get busy, though.....

Quote: "Americans must prepare themselves for a massive collapse in the dollar as investors around the world dump their US assets, a former Bank of England policymaker has warned..... the dollar had been kept elevated in recent years by what some called "dark matter" or "American alpha" - an assumption that the US could earn more on its overseas investments than foreign investors could make on their American assets. However, this notion had been gradually dismantled in recent years, before being dealt a fatal blow by the current financial crisis..... "The past eight years of imperial overstretch, hubris and domestic and international abuse of power on the part of the Bush administration has left the US materially weakened financially, economically, politically and morally," he said. "Even the most hard-nosed, Guantanamo Bay-indifferent potential foreign investor in the US must recognise that its financial system has collapsed..." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/4125947/Willem-Buiter-war...

FreedomLand
06 January 2009 at 00:05

In the meantime, Europe (the EU) is experiencing blowback from its wanton predilection with a small country once known as, err...ahh..., Georgia. If Israel can't beat up on a couple of million fellow Palestinians, how did anyone think that they were going to 'advise' Georgia on taking on Russia? Oh, Condoleeza Rice said..... but does anyone really believe that threatening Russia with missiles will help terms of trade? NATO wants to have another 'cold' war??? This is what comes of Western politicians/bureaucrats having their heads in conflicts in the Middle East where it is a lot less cold this winter.....

"Gazprom has in fact cut volumes of transit gas to European customers. The Russian company has therefore placed under threat the delivery of gas to European countries," Naftogaz said..... The Commission has insisted that "there is no immediate danger of disruption for European citizens". But officials are worried that the latest wave of freezing weather, in one of the coldest winters for years, will push the EU into a full blown energy crisis by fuelling demand for Russian gas as people seek to heat their homes across Europe. "The situation is changing. We are seeing a cold week ahead..." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/4127...

Carl Jones
06 January 2009 at 09:46

FreedomLand, yes, the Dollar will fall like a stone, but of course, the only reason why this hasn`t already happened, is the PPT (Plunge Protetion Team).

But at some point a major drop in US living standards will come and this will impact on the rest of the world as well. The Dollar/Pound weakness will cause inflation, there will be a signifiant drop in international trade...its already happening. We will import less food, so the cost home produced will rise....and we haven`t even factored in all this cash/debt thats been pumped into the financial system...if you have cash, spend it before it becomes worthless, before the shelves go bare.LOL

In the US, Obama already has plans to set up "Nazi style youth corps" and conscription. We are going into a long period of socialism, in reality FASCISM, but the real reason for this on a PUBLIC level, in control of a very unhappy populous.LOL

Even the BBC is in full swing, playing down the pain, and TRYING to make the schmuks feel happier.LOL

In Detroit, the average home now costs $18.500 and unemployment is 21%.LOL

FreedomLand
06 January 2009 at 10:33

"...at some point a major drop in US living standards will come and this will impact on the rest of the world as well..... We will import less food, so the cost home produced will rise..."

Actually, at some point it will be again viable to (a) produce more food at home instead of importing, and (b) new factories can be built and some more efficient ones re-opened/geared up. That is, the cost of labor will have fallen..... but so might the heads of a few politicians in the meantime, uhh.

Of course, facism will be the American way if they still cannot accept socialism - although they are getting there. Some already want a preferential voting system too. That would get rid of the Camelot-style elite fantasia they now have and it would be a real democracy at last.

But the US Army has its own plans and already deployed a brigade recycled from Iraq before the presidential elections http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/ and also at.....

Quote: "U.S. Rep. Brad Sherman of California said to Congress, captured on C-Span and viewable on YouTube, that individual members of the House were threatened with martial law within a week if they did not pass the bailout bill: "The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining a panic atmosphere. … Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill on Monday that the sky would fall, the market would drop two or three thousand points the first day and a couple of thousand on the second day, and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted no..." www.alternet.org

FreedomLand
06 January 2009 at 11:21

BTW, that was in response to your post on the PPT, thanks, Carl Jones.....

Nilsey105
06 January 2009 at 12:26

FreedomLand

the links you have put up for the Telegraph articles are sending out a 404 message page not found. Do you have a date when they were published ? Please.

FreedomLand
06 January 2009 at 13:00

Nilsey105 - I always test links before and after I post them. They are still working now for me..... but if you are having a problem, try Googling to get another go. Sometimes, a website is just down for maintenance either briefly or longer.

Nilsey105
06 January 2009 at 13:16

Cheers FreedomLand

They work directly from the link but dont if copy and pasted.

proudlyleft
06 January 2009 at 15:54

As an opponent of the invasion of Iraq (despite being opposed to Saddam) and as a leftist, I nevertheless deeply resent the leftist tendency to glibly call a 'withdrawal' of US, UK etc troops from Iraq. Bomb the place, mess it up and leave. At least Bush and Co are willing to talk (in theory and with forked tongues, perhaps) about the Western responsibility to "rebuild" Iraq. Withdrawal of troops, without parallel economic and other commitments, will only serve to make people in the West feel good...It will leave Iraq in a bigger mess.

amanfromMars
06 January 2009 at 18:19

Seems like the Old New World Order is Unfit for Future Purpose ... on the Strength of their Sub-Prime Destructive Performances.

There is a Paradigm Change in the AIR and QuITe Perfect for the Markets, IT is too ...... http://cryptogon.com/?p=6057

And not even a Hint of CyberSpace Comment42Control. QuITE Remarkable Restraint, Mr Kissinger.

Carl Jones
06 January 2009 at 23:22

amanfromMars

Interesting link. you used another the other day and I commented, or should I say "deonstructed" Brown`s comments. Brown used "in this PERIOD", which means he will talk only about todays "deinflation"....Kissinger also used "in this PERIOD"....KISSINGER also said on Gaza, "continuous process"...treatment, routine, procedure, particular course, logial opperation, shape and so on...process, designe and construct....

....when Kissinger mentions "a New World Order", he doesn`t mean the last (old) New World Order is broken. Kissinger used "strategy" just before he said "New World Order", it all goes back to "process". When Bush senior said "read my lips, new world order", he wasn`t literally celebrating a NWO, but another step towards the objective of world government, government controlled by the Rothschilds. Its EVOLUTION, but not as we know it.

antileft
07 January 2009 at 06:30

"Perhaps its time you went back to your own country and take away your arrogant festering hate with you."

"My own country?!" What has where I happened to be born have to do with insulting some random british loser on the internet?! Im british by the way- you think going closer to where fatso here is will make me nicer to him?! Yeah, nice logic. Who cares where someone happened to be born anyway?? Where your parents happened to have sex is totally irrelevant in this day and age. London isnt "a white man's city" anymore. Quit thinking like someone from 100 years ago. This is the modern world- patriotism/nationalism/racism is dead. Get over it.

"this occurs quite often after i've been mean to someone or done something bad to them."

Oh right, so one second- youre worried about my karma?! Or perhaps fate?! Come on ally! Youre going to have to come up with better reasons for me to be nice than that!

Carl Jones
07 January 2009 at 11:15

Don`t waste your time with TRASH. :)

The biggest storm of our lives is about to hit us. The Dollar is about to collapse and the Pound could go the same way.

That old loss leader "short selling" is about to be legalised again...more collapse banks, more NWO robbery...got cash....SPEND IT, SPEND IT....even crdit card companies are slashing limits, hyperinflation is coming and Brown gave it away when he said "in this period".LOL

FreedomLand
07 January 2009 at 13:50

Carl Jones: "The biggest storm of our lives is about to hit us...... and Brown gave it away when he said..."

Quote: "Chancellor of the Exchequer Alistair Darling has issued a new warning over the resilience of the credit crunch, indicating that the government forecast that Britain should now be at the middle of a one-year recession was over optimistic.....

In an interview with the Financial Times, Darling repeatedly described the current outlook as "difficult" and said that in 2009 "there are going to be some tough calls". http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds/afx/2009/01/06/af...

amanfromMars
07 January 2009 at 14:35

And the following, which may have been written some time ago, is not an inaccurate picture of what has been and is being created/planned and conveyed/pimped and pumped by media ...........

"The worst contingency plan has also been implemented and is at work right now. For many years now they have been importing drugs and selling them to the people and mainly the poor and minorities. Social welfare programs were put into place to create a dependent non-working element of our society. They began to remove the social welfare programs in order to develop a large criminal class that did not exist in the 50's and early 60's. They encouraged the manufacture and importation of deadly military firearms for the criminal element to use. This was intended to foster a feeling of insecurity which would lead the American people to voluntarily disarm themselves by passing laws against firearms. Incidents were to be staged to speed up the process. By using drugs and hypnosis in a process called Orion on mental patients the CIA inculcated the desire in these people to open fire on school yards and inflame the anti-gun lobby. This plan is well underway and so far is working as planned. This plan must not succeed.

Due to the wave of crime sweeping the nation they will convince the American people a state of anarchy exists within the major cities. They are now building their case almost nightly on TV and daily in newspapers. When public opinion has been won over to this idea they intend to state that a terrorist group armed with a nuclear weapon has entered the United States and that they plan to detonate this device in one of our cities. The government will then suspend the Constitution and declare Martial Law.

.....http://psychicspy.com/mj.html "

However, things have Radically Changed with the Control of Media being tipped in the Favour of Truthful Spin rather than Lying Deceit .

FreedomLand
07 January 2009 at 15:30

Objects seen in the rear-view mirror may be closer than they appear..... oops, life as a windshield, duh:-

U.S. using China as financial "windshield" - BEIJING (Reuters) - "Developing nations have served as "windshields" to a U.S. economy battered by the global financial maelstrom, yet it is blaming them for a problem caused by its own policies, China's state media said on Wednesday. Two stinging commentaries on the official Xinhua news agency accused U.S. officials of confusing cause and effect and of trying to shift guilt for tumbling stock markets and collapsing pension funds and house prices away from their own desks.

"A strange view has emerged recently from some U.S. government and economic circles, which says high savings in emerging markets such as China and oil exporting countries sowed the seeds of a global credit bubble," one commentary said. "The statement is both irresponsible and untenable," it said, although did not clarify what it was basing the commentary on.

A second commentary took direct aim at Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and out-going Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, while calling on Washington to put its house in order. "As the ancient Chinese sage Confucius said: 'On seeing a man without virtue, examine yourself to be sure you do not have the same defects.'" said the piece, signed by reporter Huang Xin.

Stricken U.S. firms were damaging foreign stock markets as they sold off overseas assets to protect core interests at home, Huang added, making emerging nations take an unfairly high share of the economic pain. "If we compare the U.S. economy to a car, emerging markets have somehow served as windshields amid the battering of the financial storm," it said..." http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE50640Q20090107

4irw4y
07 January 2009 at 16:55

Hello World, great environment, THX.

Eye would ask the local authorities for a long-time messaging permit, since LTMP is not a widespread trend yet [lazy moders/ lack of space/other]. In case if NewStatesman mod rules say nothing on this case, let the msg settings come by the default (-:

Eye'd also ask the author of an article make a knowing wink [of course, if his "eye" is still kept on] once in a byte during the ongoing conversation. Hope someone will surely keep it kicking and let it last till the very last logical stop (-;

Last block of this request may appear at another topics.

55 73

4irw4y
07 January 2009 at 19:07

Maybe the "proper" way of investment was about to mess up with businesses guaranteed by a narrow board of national informal structures, worldwide - Japanese, Chinese, Italian and Russian.

Also, a very narrow circle of investors share the sector of fast circulation of weaponry and ammos [Africa, Arabistan] and warfare/supply depot activities, watch their stocks rapidly growing .

They were in the know about habits of those youngster credit database programmers from Wall Street [drugs/hot cars/sex/debility/credits], and they could operate stealthly without rising havoc. As I heard somewhere, it is called "to push a cart", which means removing really valuable assets to a secure place. What US banks could do under these, very unconvinient, condion? They were living in patience and obedience, and getting yearly thanks from the boards of investors. Mostly, during last year banks were expecting for the 'reward' from National Reserve/social system of US, which needs were, at high tercentage, fed from outsourcing currencies in a range of national economics.

Of course, some kind of special inter-business relations were seen during the crisis, some kind of special services were kindly invited to serve and to protect... it gave a special flair to the events. Eye mean "RTFM" and "see you" for the new administration of United States from the present one. And, more problemous thing is like going to happen, and it's not dollar or pound falling as this is just a part of a very big mess which may cause broadbanding the sector of circulation of weapons.

Of course, trying to save and grow a personal cherished money tree in this CrazyEn Modern World needs more than being such a noob wanting to bring a touch of Hollywood brass into personal lifestyle [also banks working] and, OMG, buying stuff through internet!

But if you invest in activities like circulation of weapons on a low access level... you will also loose. Medium access level - you will loose or die once. High access level - you will die once. Money must turn, you know. And the true professionals will get their pension from the state.

Other sources of reliable income will mostly be drugs, prostitution in the washing machine, and other things we maybe all know. They are alternative sources of energy and natural resources. Problem of alt energy looks kind of chewed privately late night under one's pillow. And natural resources... we know there is an international battle, guys there just rise WWIII. Have teeth - go byte, drink all'eir blud, tear'em apart, man, live your war, chew your piece, you shark!

Ocean, you know...

But the very source of money to keep it nurishing is poverty around, re: amanfromMars, 07 Jan 2009 at 14:35, "For many years now they have been importing drugs and selling them to the people and mainly the poor and minorities". With one little add-on for if any schiz will proclaim that he hears voices it is not necessarily MKU which combat or perimeter security use generally results in physical disorientation of an object of impact, and, for proper targeting the task, it is necessarily that a commanding voice should be reproduced on ELF/sublim argo/slow speech/coded message, which must have been mapped into object's core before and yes, during series of "sectant prayers" or when an object is given drugs. A Western voodoo, next to a so-called "jihadist" methodologies. They know heaven's shell is made of eternal rubber and can accept all the brave fugitives from this globe. In necessarily condition [sometimes it's enough to hear blows of heavy carpet bombing - best 7.63 HZ one may ever experience - especially if hunger and fear/blood/screams of pain around and if it's a child in the open who is a true "object" and subject of the operation of AF/artillery] - http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2008/12/pilger-british-...

Voices in the head/angels on the ceiling are mostly just a trick for lawyers expecting a "thanks" from schiz' family.

...err... what were we talking about before... oh, poverty...

Do you still want to "invest"?

55 73

4irw4y
07 January 2009 at 20:24

You must be a dangerous man. With how much are you ready to risk?

4irw4y
07 January 2009 at 21:44

Stef Jones, it's great to hear you are still alive. Vegetables may seem more desirable to a person than a railway that crosses your way, trains run faster now and are as unexpected as flux (-: Look, if you're in NY or Baltimore and the site time is GreenWhich means you are at your job desktop now, are you not? OK, let's shift the topic band more to the bottom. During the next series of interrogations we will probably find a decision...

Oh, eye've just monitored 6 connections of my excellent Go Oogle service, and one of New York and one of Baltimore. Probably, one should run a consulting business (-:

"Does the SYSTEM function in a kind of barter way?" -

Stef Jones, you are scaring me. No system, everything is tuned through personal recommended contacts, as eye heard somewhere. Much depends of what level of access you would prefer, I mean how well-equipped and motivated your personal little army is?

And, of course, no way you speak seriously about spending time to barter this value with just noone from nowhere, right?

73

4irw4y
08 January 2009 at 06:21

re: Cybertiger @ 30 December 2008 at 20:21 -

On prof. Panarin's devotional exercises: the top most fun and a pleasure and greatest surprise is see some of the Americans saying in comments "yeah, right he is, US will surely get what "they" have deserved, and Russians speaking "oh, what a silly idiot, I feel shame for my diplomacy", and now many of the Russians call the top 5 elite Moscow university of Foreign Affairs a college.

re> the previous mapping band moved too high, sorry Stephen, have to ctrl-v with corrections approved. Please feel free to contact directly.

re> mr. John Pilger's article and comments, I'd add only a link to yet another trusted experts' OpiNION - www.theonion.com/content/news/terror_experts_warn_next_9_11

***

Maybe the "proper" way of investment was about to mess up with businesses guaranteed by a narrow board of national informal structures, worldwide - Japanese, Chinese, Italian and Russian.

Also, a very narrow circle of investors share the sector of fast circulation of weaponry and ammos [Africa, Arabistan] and warfare/supply depot activities, watch their stocks rapidly growing .

They were in the know about habits of those youngster credit database programmers from Wall Street [drugs/hot cars/sex/debility/credits], and they could operate stealthly without rising havoc. As I heard somewhere, it is called "to push a cart", which means removing really valuable assets to a secure place. What US banks could do under these, very unconvinient, condion? They were living in patience and obedience, and getting yearly thanks from the boards of investors. Mostly, during last year banks were expecting for the 'reward' from National Reserve/social system of US, which needs were, at high tercentage, fed from outsourcing currencies in a range of national economics.

Of course, some kind of special inter-business relations were seen during the crisis, some kind of special services were kindly invited to serve and to protect... it gave a special flair to the events. Eye mean "RTFM" and "see you" for the new administration of United States from the present one. And, more problemous thing is like going to happen, and it's not dollar or pound falling as this is just a part of a very big mess which may cause broadbanding the sector of circulation of weapons.

Of course, trying to save and grow a personal cherished money tree in this CrazyEn Modern World needs more than being such a noob wanting to bring a touch of Hollywood brass into personal lifestyle [also banks working] and, OMG, buying stuff through internet!

But if you invest in activities like circulation of weapons on a low access level... you will also loose. Medium access level - you will loose or die once. High access level - you will die once. Money must turn, you know. And the true professionals will get their pension from the state.

Other sources of reliable income will mostly be drugs, prostitution in the washing machine, and other things we maybe all know. They are alternative sources of energy and natural resources. Problem of alt energy looks kind of chewed privately late night under one's pillow. And natural resources... we know there is an international battle, guys there just rise WWIII. Have teeth - go byte, drink all'eir blud, tear'em apart, man, live your war, chew your piece, you shark!

Ocean, you know...

Study, study and study [Lenin]...

...swimming [air3dit]

But the very source of money to keep it nurishing is poverty around, re: amanfromMars, 07 Jan 2009 at 14:35, "For many years now they have been importing drugs and selling them to the people and mainly the poor and minorities". With one little add-on for if any schiz will proclaim that he hears voices it is not necessarily MKU which combat or perimeter security use generally results in physical disorientation of an object of impact, and, for proper targeting the task, it is necessarily that a commanding voice should be reproduced on ELF/sublim argo/slow speech/coded message, which must have been mapped into object's core before and yes, during series of "sectant prayers" or when an object is given drugs. A Western voodoo, next to a so-called "jihadist" methodologies. They know heaven's shell is made of eternal rubber and can accept all the brave fugitives from this globe. In necessarily condition [sometimes it's enough to hear blows of heavy carpet bombing - best 7.63 HZ one may ever experience - especially if hunger and fear/blood/screams of pain around and if it's a child in the open who is a true "object" and subject of the operation of AF/artillery] - http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2008/12/pilger-british-...

...err... what were we talking about before... oh, poverty...

Do you still want to invest?

73

4irw4y
08 January 2009 at 13:30

THX mod for correcting the parties, I'd also prefer some kinds of conversations/interrogations to be done in private.

4irw4y
08 January 2009 at 18:21

Yesterday we talked a few about credit and stocks database operators and analysts as a working tool for developing the crisis. Surely much in their case appears a matter of homeland- and cybersecurity.

Some few additional information - well, we have just to skip the Atlantics, back to the US again (-;

As you know, one more part of the... hmmm... manual, ment @ msg air3dit 08 January 2009 at 06:21, was going to be issued by the so-called non-partisan, non-profit Center for Strategic and International Studies @ Washington, DC. http://homeland.house.gov/SiteDocuments/20080916142200-02990... .

"The final product of the Commission will be a well-supported package of recommendations for improving cybersecurity that could help guide both a legislative agenda and Presidential policy documents" -

More than 200 staff, large network of affiliated experts - such is the descripted Team Special. If one might imagine, what a heap of dated paper will ANY pack of recommendations become after the Comission for Understanding and Refreshing Data of the Previous Commission finishes their work at the middle of the first Obama's presidential term?

Well, at least, "non-partisan" looks less expensive for the emerged tax-payers. Looking back, we find an attempt to build a bypartisan Commission for Cybersec for the 44th president hold in September - http://news.cnet.com/coops-corner/?keyword=cybersecurity , which didn't succeed also, reported as ill idea by DHS head with a Russian surname Chertoff [in Russia, Michael Chertoff should probably have changed it, as if translated in English, it is also as just as impossible to come out to the street in an English-speaking country having such surname, poor man, for real...]

Bypartisan... Eye imagine twoo guerrillas laying an ambush. Oh, they have turbans on their heads, and eye am even not in the know why they look so (-:

So, a well-paid and swollen bureaucracy still seems the most wanted and untouchable stopper for any leak of sense and trusted information into society. Especially, when we talk about threats which need proactive counter-action.

The very first of them is providing security in heads of database programmers and Hollywood-style wannabees with sustainable lack of modern gadgets like Porshe 911 or like this. But what kind of firewall/antivirus is to be loaded into heads, as some IT men call one's head a server?

"Sorry, Darling, I have strong serveraches tonight" (-:

And Dollah Fifty from Porsche.

73

amanfromMars
09 January 2009 at 10:37

"CSIS is a nonpartisan, nonprofit research center organization headquartered in Washington, D.C.

with more than 200 staff and a large network of affiliated experts." ..... http://homeland.house.gov/SiteDocuments/20080916142200-02990...

Anyone seriously working in the Field of CyberSecurity will realise that nonpartisan, nonprofit has no place at the Intelligence Round Table which decide on such AIMatters. But it is typical to see/hear of such Parasitic Porkers trying to ease the way into the feeding trough.

realism
15 January 2009 at 00:07

And as if you haven't got your trotter deep into the swill

... go to India with your savings and see how long you

last. If you're as unselfious as you claim you are, why

are you getting paid for what you're doing and why are

you spending your money on yourself on holidays

etc? Many people in the third world need your money

and yet you waste it on things you don't need.

In other words 'DO YOUR ACTIONS MATCH YOUR

WORDS'

How do you spell hypocrite?

4irw4y
15 January 2009 at 19:08

... or, "... at Heathrow. By John Pilger".