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Melanie Phillips's latest outburst against Islam and Muslims is opportunistic and goes beyond the pale.
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The inconvenient truth is that this group represents 3% and 97%, yes NINETY SEVEN PERCENT, is by the likes of Mr Straw, so who is being racist and who is trying to cover up their own ills?
But what has the truth ever got to do with such things?
Dillion I'm far too young to have a daughter, but knowing that the next victim could be a friend, or another innocent person from society people like these deserve the worst punishments possible regarding race or religion!
live and let live indeed. Well said.
Shame that the likes of Saudi Arabia and a considerable number of other Muslim countries don't seem to go along with that philosophy?
You want to try and find a church in some of those countries?
Or try preaching that philosophy to the Islamists who flew into the twin towers, or blew up the tube and Spanish rail networks killing scores, who tried to bomb Glasgow airport and London Night clubs, who blew up nightclubs in Bali, who bombed churches in Nigeria and Egypt..... and on ...and on ...and on.
muslim bashing should be an olympic sport. we'd win a gold medal every time as well as one for subservience to jews. if they had one for mass media propoganda bullshit loving, us and the yanks would break world records every day
And here's something that might point you in the right direction ... from the Guardian ... Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, a Muslim youth organisation, has condemned the perpetrators, claiming they believed that "white girls have fewer morals" and are "less valuable" than Muslim girls.'
I suppose he's a racist Islamophobe too is he?
Rozenburg subsists on humbugs.
I was always led to believe, that it was the jew who dominated the pornography industry, excelled in promulgating degenerate art sic., grandmasters of perverted Polanski style paedophilia, pre-eminent in sex trade trafficking. Israel is nothing but a vile, psychotic, sodomite, parasitic criminal whore house. I wish Melanie Rozenburg would use her questionable journalistic talents, addressing these indisputable crimes against Christian morality. Then she can tell us all about the hypocritical jews' obsession in promoting multi-culturalism. They are certainly not keen on religious diversity in Israel.
Your religion is to blame because it embodies misoygonist values at the very core of its teachings. According to the qu'ran a woman is not considered to have been raped unless there are four men who will validate her claim. It clearly states a man may physically chastise a 'disobeient' wife, and the prophet Mohammed - the 'perfect' Muslim - married a six year old girl...a precedent that still persists to this day in countries like Yemen, Pakistan and Indonesia.
Your religion teaches hate of women, and in fact all that is not Muslim. No wonder millions of people commit atrocities in its name.
I agree with you that it does not make it right for one to do something just because others do it and your point that we live in a world were different views and attitudes exist...I appreciate that so long as there is tolerance.
However, I think that very problem is that you “can sit here and list many examples not just attribute to the 'white man” and that is the problem that some “white” people are only doing that- listing problems with “others” and which is why we have this constant antagonism in British society- this saddens me, because this should be last place such attitude should exist as we too often point out when Egypt, Pakistan, Sudan as sectarian problems while we bellow the fire of divisive politics in our own back yard.
How on earth is your religion to blame for Asian gangs and sex abuse? Oh, I don't know where to start from!!
Your religion, i.e. islam, has been responsible for most of the violence reported in this generation. The book, on which your religion is based, advocates violence of massive proportions and does so with no hesitation. The founder of your religion was a violent man and did things for which he would be in prison for life today for both murders and sexual acts. And so forth...
These Asian gangs feel encouragement from your religion in what they are doing. You can use your retarded arguments to deceive the ignorant and encourage your co-religionists, but the truth of the matter is that your religion (the cult, to put it in real terms) is the source of much evil in this country and in the world.
"How on earth is my religion to blame for Asian gangs and sex abuse?" is the question that must be asked among people in authority and honest answers must be given!!
If certain asians want to "plough the fields and scatter", ahem!, that is fine by me. Good to share genetics I say, breeds a stronger animal. But then they have got to go back and meet the parentals......
11 January 2011 at 20:50
Fort Hood, Buckskins? How many did your assimilated Muslim kill? "
He is Jordanian and a Muslim fanatic who was obviously not assimilated.
Going so soon? I was ggoing to educate you on the caste system by pointing you in the direction of NS journalist Samira Shackle's excellent article here
And Mehdi, I've been meaning to ask you... what on EARTH is this 'Islamophobia' you speak of??? Do you have ANY idea what a 'phobia' is?
A phobia is - A persistent, abnormal, and irrational fear of a specific thing or situation that compels one to avoid it.
There is NOTHING "irrational" about fearing Islam. Those who fear Islam, and want to stay away from it are 'Islamorealists'.
@ David Smith
I am sorry to hear about the negative experinces you have had with some Muslims.
Can't really answer for my Muslim counterparts. All I can say is that we aint all the same. If I met you, I would shake your hand and offer you a tea/coffee or whatever.
Ive spent too much time on this, so over and out.
Not aware of abrogation,then, Ayesha?
"Declare war upon those to whom the Scriptures were revealed but believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and who do not forbid that which God and his Apostle have forbidden, and who refuse to acknowledge the true religion (Islam) until they pay the jizya (tax) without reservation and are totally subjugated." (Koran 9:29 -30).
"Believers, do not take Jews or Christians as friends. They are but one another's friends. If anyone of you takes them for his friends, then he is surely one of them. God will not guide evil-doers." (Koran 5:51)
Live and let live? Peace? Islam? I don't think so.
Islam is incompatible with Western civilisation - as Khomeini himself said - "Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war....I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim."
Something of an expert on Islam, old Khomeini, wasn't he?
Not aware of context, then, EnragedBrit?
I believe those verses relate to context of war, and when faced with aggression.
EnragedBrit, maybe you need to calm down. You are exposing yourself as a bit of a numpty.
You are preaching to the choir with most of the rest of your post. Islam is the enemy within and hell bent on our conversion or death. I say it again to the rest of you. Simply read their Koran. It’s all laid out for them in black and white.
muslims know what is going on in there communitys and you full well know that kasser.but do i detect your trying to cover up this racist crime because they involve your fellow muslim brothers,if these were white paedophiles abusing muslim children on a mass scale you and other muslims would be out on the streets demonstrating,,what double standards muslims have and that is the point you dont seem to miss kasser.
'..When did any Pakistani male ever have any respect for women..'
Well I dunno about all (or most) of them, but Pakistan has had more female heads of state than the UK.
Dawud - You're a recent convert, then? You have my sympathy. Islam is the truth, you say. OK, but please explain how any sane person can believe that Mohammad used to ride about on some kind of flying horse? And how can any sane person actually believe that there are supernatural beings (djinn)that have to be scared away from toilets by saying magic words? And what's this stuff about always having to enter toilets with your left foot first? Crazy stuff - but that's Islam for you!
Oh, and where do you stand on the question of whether or not it's permissable for a man to marry a djinn?
I read that 'defence' the first time round. Basically - I'm not intolerant of non muslims because I don't support terrorism.
''I seemd to say non muslims were like cattle''
Ummmmm no you didn't seem to say it. You said it.
'Oh but I was only quoting from the Quran'
Well, doesn't say much for the Quran then does it?
No wonder certain sections of Islam feel non muslims are inferior and have no compunction about targetting non muslim underage girls for sexual abuse.
Seems as if the point and simple basic facts are clearly flying over at oxygen starved heights of heads but what else can be expected from avid readers of the tabloid Daily Smear sheet?
I am gonna go out on a limb here. We have our muslims rapists based on our supposed values, and as some keep telling us, this is a predominantly christian country built up on christian values, then you have your christian paedos.
An absurd conclusion I know, but will nonethless sit back, with my popcorn, and wait for the right leaning Dail Heil trolls to come and hack my comment to bits.
Islam is tolerant of other religions
Religious minorities have flourished under Islam. Muslims are commanded to protect Jews and Christians (the People of the Book) and do them no harm. The Qur'an says in Sura 109, "To you, your religion. To me, mine."
Religious minorities have not “flourished” under Islam. In fact, they have dwindled to mere shadows after centuries of persecution and discrimination. Some were converted from their native religion by brute force, others under the agonizing strain of dhimmitude.
One of the great ironies of Islam is that non-Muslims are to be treated according to the very standards by which Muslims themselves would claim the right to violent self-defense were the shoe on the other foot. Islam is its own justification. Most Muslims therefore feel no need to explain the ingrained arrogance and double standard.
There are about 500 verses in the Qur’an that speak of Allah’s hatred for non-Muslims and the punishment that he has prepared for their unbelief. There is also a tiny handful that say otherwise, but these are mostly earlier verses that many scholars consider to be abrogated by the later, more violent ones.
If tolerance simply means discouraging the mass slaughter of those of a different faith, then today's Islam generally meets this standard more often than not. But, if tolerance means allowing people of other faiths the same religious liberties that Muslims enjoy, then Islam is fundamentally the most intolerant religion under the sun.
I don't see what talking about Saudi Arabia has to do with this debate. the kingdom is an islamic state with religious law. it is not a liberal country and due to Mohammeds request for there to be no two churches in mecca there will never be religious tolerance. A sad fact yes as i strongly believe in freedom of religious belief but just because they do things like that, doesnt mean we also should. we are a liberal tolerant country with a seperation of church and state and so is irrelevant to how we conduct ourselves.
Also although that is the case in Saudi, it is not the case in all middle eastern countries and not in all muslim countries.
A lot of you seem to be attacking Mehdi without paying attention to what he has said. He does acknowledge that perhaps a cultural issue may be at hand, but condemns the use labeling of specifically muslim crimes. whenever a christian commits a murder it is not refered to as a christian murder.
Yes the attacks on christian churches in the middle east is sad, and yes sadly religion can fuel these tensions, it is no more sad than past examples in history of Jewish men walking into a Mosque in Palestine with a machine gun and slaughtering innocent people in prayer time.
some sensible debate about this would be nice rather than irrational islamaphobic comments.
I am not a Muslim, i condemn terrorist attacks by all terrorists, Islamic or otherwise, I condemn the murdering of innocent lives by our wars in the middle east and I will happily stand up for the rights of muslims and the rights of any religion in this country because that are the values our history is built upon.
If we use Ms Philips arguments, as well as some of the posters here, then what is to be said of Jews when most their kin control the majority of the porn industry; or the Jewish bankers, like Mr Diamond of Barclays, and their part in the current global recession? If something was said then she would label me as being anti-semtic (which is doubly ironic since Arabs are far more semtic then most who called themselves Israelis today).
And since most Anglo-Saxons are not pedophiles by association this is not religion or race issue, instead one should reflect on whether society as a whole with sycophantic celebs and its glorification of overt sexuality has become depraved in general.
Surely we need to think twice when women in burkas are targeted as being out of step with English/French/Dutch culture especially when these drug and drink laden kids, who just also happen to be born Muslim, were only conforming to current western values.
Ahhh PysFeesh has had enough. Too much evidence thrown at him for him to be able to spout the same old 'Islam is a religion of peace' nonsense. That's always the response from Muslims & appeasers when the facts become too overwhelming; to simply throw in the towel.
My apologies I meant to say 'certain people brought up with that ideology....
you cant handle the harsh truth kasser that you have racists in your community and thats where the debate ends.
Islam Respects Women as Equals
The Qur’an places men and women on equal foundation before Allah. Each person is judged according to his or her own deeds. Women have equal rights under Islamic law.
Merely stating that individuals will be judged as such by Allah does not mean that they have equal rights and roles, or that they are judged by the same standards.
There is no ambiguity in the Qur’an, the life of Muhammad, or Islamic law as to the inferiority of women to men despite the efforts of modern-day apologists to salvage Western-style feminism from scraps and fragments of verses that have historically held no such progressive interpretation.
After military conquests, Muhammad would dole out captured women as war prizes to his men. In at least one case, he advocated that they be raped in front of their husbands. Captured women were made into sex slaves by the very men who killed their husbands and brothers. There are four Qur’anic verses in which "Allah" makes clear that a Muslim master has full sexual access to his female slaves, yet there is not one that prohibits rape.
Muslim women are not free to marry whom they please, as are Muslim men. Their husband may also bring other wives (and slaves) into the marriage bed. And she must be be sexually available to him at any time (as a field ready to be “tilled,” according to the holy book of Islam).
Muslim women do not inherit property in equal portion to males. Their testimony in court is considered to be worth only half that of a man’s. Unlike a man, she must cover her head - and often her face.
Given all of this, it is quite a stretch to say that men and women have “equality under Islam” based on obscure theological analogies or comparisons. This is an entirely new ploy that is designed for modern tastes and disagrees sharply with the reality of Islamic law and history.
You need to read beyond The Sun, to know somethings-try not to believe everything you read...
the same problems occur in pakistan, here is the link
so dont tell me they are only picking on whites. these criminals like white criminals will abuse whoever they can get their hand on.
Speak to Barnardo’s chief executive Martin Narey who said "street grooming was ‘probably happening in most towns and cities’ and that victims were Asian as well as white (ask him and he will tell you what who he meant by Asian?)
Dont just read what you want to read...and yeah i know we live in britain, its a shame we share it with narrow minded men like you...you narrow mindedness has no bounds!
I was on the jury of one of these northern town trials. Islam didn't come into it and most defendants didn't swear on the koran. What was clear was how the girls, once identified and 'recruited', were passed around everyone in the 'clan' to be used in exchange for some weed or alcohol.
I just tried to explain to you that we are not all the same. But sadly, you, simply didnt listen.
Ok so if we 'translate' the insulting English translation into a more kaffar friendly version we get:
"People of no intelligence" - simply and narrowly refers to the fact that Muslims regard their views on God as the only intellectually tenable position.
"Cattle" - metaphorical use to denounce the herd mentality and to urge people to use our unique God-given gift of intellect.
not much room left for debate is there ?
and people who point this out are labelled intolerant and racist ?
I fear this whole debate deteriorated to an attack on Islam in yet another example of Islamphobia.
People wise up...my grandfather fought against this in World War 2. Only then is was called Nazism.
Khomeini, really? And please dont blindly talk about abrogation when you dont even put the verses into their context.
If you spent 10 seconds longer on your google witch-hunt, maybe you'd have stumbled onto these yourself.
Peace and much love.
To be fair to pysfeesh he seems like a decent chap and is mistaking a condemnation of a nastier part of a culture or religion with a condemnation of everyone who adheres to it.
That is certainly not the case as far as I'm concerned. But I'm going to call it like I sees it - even if I get called a racist or Islamophobe.
50 out of 56 of the recent abusers were of Pakistani origin - the vast majority of their victims were white teenage girls - by any standards anyone can see there is a specific problem here.
Thanks NS, whatever happened to a right to reply?
I wouldn't expect someone who sees nothing wrong in calling non-Muslims 'cattle', to be able to provide any valuable insight into the question of Pakistani Muslims treating non-Muslims like, er, cattle.
I am certain that any opened minded intelligent and pragmatic individual should conclude that Islam is an ideology bent on world domination and the imposition of sharia law on all koffer and the subjugation of all dhimmi and of necessity this must be done before the vast middle eastern oil reserves are drained for this is their wealth, the wealth that finances their glorious outer jihad. As far as I can tell there have been no notable progressive social or industrial advances and any Muslim society in hundreds of years, except maybe, Turkey. Without the demand for oil these Muslims will have no choice but to revert to a camel currency. However, I have noticed in my readings concerning the spread if Islam; if they cannot conquer a society by force they like a disease slowly, patiently and subtly infect it from within. I fear this is the MOS being put to use in Brittan and these gangs are yet a symptom of such an infection. I have only one comforting conclusion to draw as I study histories and cultures; the white Anglo-Saxon excels at organized violence.
IF this happened in the U.S. we would round up those animals and fry them in pork fat and send them to hell to play checkers with their pedo, false prophet!
^With backward rhetoric like that, is it any wonder you start to alienate Western Muslim youth who are trying to find a place in society? How about we take the religion and race out of the equation and just punish the perpetrators like the sickos they are? Call me weird but that COULD be a start?
ARGHH!! Some comments on here make me sick and angry!!...the main thing Mahdi Hassan is saying is WHAT THE HELL has Islam got to do with this crime!!! He is NOT denying the fact that these Pakistani guys are sick and should be condemned for their actions!! YES I agree they should be!! I am a practising Muslim and how these guys behave is FAR from Islamic! They are SICK! Just because they were born into a Muslim family and label themselves as ‘Muslim’ doesn’t mean they are acting in accordance of the faith! For example, when you see Christian priests who sexually abuse children does that mean Christianity promotes paedophilia!! NO it doesn’t, it just means that these priests are sick and need help…doesn’t mean that Jesus (peace be upon him) encouraged this. Religion is about PEACE and LOVE and treating people as YOU would like to be treated. YOU CANT JUDGE A FAITH BY THE WAY PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO FOLLOW THAT FAITH BEHAVE! Because you get extremists and deviants in every faith! I am NOT sticking up for these guys…they deserve whatever they get, they are disgusting! BUT just because they claim to be ‘Muslims’ doesn’t mean they are! SO all you islamophobes out there who are insulting my religion and my prophet (peace be upon him) go please read a book and stop being so ignorant! We need to condemn the crime and the people that commit these crimes…DO NOT INSULT PEOPLES RELIGIONS because that just causes hatred and disunity in society and no one wants that!
"TENS of thousands of people rallied yesterday in Pakistan's largest city to demand the release of a police bodyguard charged with killing a high-profile politician who had campaigned to amend the country's blasphemy laws.
Many marching through the port city of Karachi carried large portraits of the alleged assassin and chanted slogans hailing him as a "warrior of Islam" for apparently gunning down Salman Taseer, the provincial governor of Punjab, last week.
"Mumtaz Qadri is not a murderer, he is a hero," read one banner praising the man who had been part of Taseer's security detail."
Finally, a sensible comment underlined by a follow up kindergarten history lesson from a fried chicken
I've work for a Police Child Protection Unit for the past 10 years. The vast majority 98% of the suspects I deal with are white men. The inflammatory claims made by Ms Phillips are false. Good Article Mehni.
The use of the term "organised Muslim paedophile gang" in the Glasgow Uni link is a case in point. White child sex abusers are not seen through the prism of religion; their crimes are not attributed to the Anglican Church or prevailing Anglo-Saxon culture, just as the actions of East European traffickers are not linked to the Orthodox Church.
sean,,i hasten to say,, there is an outspoken tiny minority of asians with brown skins and muslim backgrounds who has a supremacist attitudes and views,have you never heard of islam4theuk there leader anjem choudary and his goons preaching racism and division on the streets,,get your blinkers of sean and live in the real world and not the dream world..good lad.
Mehdi - you're too good for that Melanie. A bigoted Jew who hates every one. Her heart is filled with hatred and envy. Ugly bitch.
What happened to Allahs post, surely he, of all people, deserves to be heard?
Mehdi Hasan is a contributing writer for the New Statesman and the co-author of Ed: The Milibands and the Making of a Labour Leader. He was the New Statesman's senior editor (politics) from 2009-12.