Sayeeda Warsi says that the media are “anti-Islamic”
. . . and the Daily Express and Rod Liddle prove her point.
By Mehdi Hasan Published 01 October 2010 12:20Latest tweets
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119 comments
You'll never get an apology out of the Express or their journalists for putting out sensational headlines, stirring things up.
You make some good points about the specific targeting of Muslims in the selection of stories you have chosen. But isn't it also true that the media is overly concerned about making Muslim jokes and drawing cartoons for fear of offending Muslims? The hysterical reaction to Danish cartoons and Sudanese teddy bears means there is a forced censorship of criticism through the implicit threat of violence. And you haven't recognised this point.
I think we're all losing patience with the extremist elements in Islam, and their intolerence, including the Media. Gagging any comment on Islam and its unacceptable practices is simply not on.
But the question of halal meat is a fair one. The religious ritual killing in the hands of an expert is an acceptable one.
Trouble is people have lost their connection with the land and the food they eat. Killing animals is a necessity before the product appears on your plate.
The fact is that islam/practioners of, do and have had a very negative effect on society. Whether it is electoral fraud, match-fixing, terrorism, racial tensions with any non-muslim communities, dis-proportinate levels of crime, dis-proportinate levels of lack of education...I could go on forever.
There are few points actually.
1. Mehdi has not yet published the interview, so we will wait for it. 2. Mehdi has mostly extracted very selectively a line or a para from here, there and everywhere. 3. Critisizm of Islam cannot be equated as Islamophobia. There is an attempt through UN and other agencies to equate this; which I hope does not go through. If you can critisize any religion and call idol worship as worshipping false gods, I would then have the right to critisize the God of Islam. 4.Any comparison with Jews is patently false. Jews were never 1/4 of Humanity. Never had any country which was theologically Jew...compare that with Islam....all of Middle East is Muslim. Even Malaysia in Asia. There is tendency even in Turkey and Indonasia. And Jews never bombed any other country, never had a concept of Caliphate. So this invocation of Jew comparison is completely false.
5. Rather Muslim world was aligned with Hitler.
The problem as it is related to critisism of Islam is concerned is false and bogus.
Having said all this, Islamophobia is real and dangerous in terms of threat it poses to ordinary Muslims and which surely is a different angle. Infact it is a threat to any coloured person even from India because the yobs, mostly a creation of Labour, can and do attack people with that particular tan believing them to be Muslims / Pakistanies. Something true as most would attest, including yours faithfully as real experience. I have so many time avoided being thrashed from yobs who take me to be a Pakistani....only after I tell AND Convince them that I am an Indian and not Pakistani have they let me go.
PS: Never argue with a yob or a drug Addict. Golden Rule.
If you elect a town councilor or MP, they work in the interests of all their constituency. If you elect a Mohammadon, they usually work for the interest of their community. Come on.. hand a heart, is this not true. besides, most are sick to death of moaning, grumbling, protesting, Muslims, it's becoming boring.
Hiova - calm down, will you? Dont be so hysterical, it's bad for your blood pressure...now take a few deep breaths, and I will calmly explain to you why increasing numbers of secular people like me are becoming more - as the disgusting Tory bigot Baroness Warsi says - anti Islam.
First Muslims are Not a persecuted minority - they claim to be over a billion strong! And in countries where they are a majority, minorities are often ruthlessly oppressed , or excluded, or sometimes forcibly converted.
Second, how can any thinking person NOT be anti-Islamic? This religion tells its followers that apostates deserve death; that gay and lesbian people are to be exterminated; that noone should dare to criticise or even laugh at its prophet, and if they do, they will face threats or actual reality of murder - their own murder. Lovely stuff, eh, Hova? The poor victimised dears...
So when I read that halal meat is being served to even one unwitting non Muslim, I get very angry too...
When I read surveys that say that over a third of British Muslims want Sharia Law in Britain, then I get very angry too..
When you say that only a few "extremists" exist in Islam, when it is obvious that terrorism, fundamentalism and extremism have hundreds of thousands of adherenets in Britain, and tens of millions worldwide, then I get very angry..
Muslims believe that they will get to Heaven eternal, and the rest of us will burn in the flames of hell forever more..that means Nelson Mandela, Desmond Tutu,Peter Tatchell, etc in Hell, and Anjem Chaudhury, Abu Hamza, Baroness Warsi in Heaven. Lovely stuff, eh, Hova?
Rod Liddle - sorry, just seen your comment on this old blog post. Thanks for your comment. Happy to clarify that your column wasn't, as a whole, or even intended to be, a rant against British Muslims but it was a rant (or "diatribe" to use your word) against the food eaten by 2 million British Muslims and the practise, by a small proportion of British businesses, of occasionally and partially catering to our culinary needs. And yes, you did, rightly, condemn those councils and PC-types who do things on "behalf" of Muslims that we don't ask, or want, them to do. Still, I have my doubts about how genuine you are about your commitment to animal rights and wonder whether it isn't just an excuse to bash (scare-monger about?) Islam...
The very nature of Islam is oppression. In all honesty, what has Islam brought to the western world, apart from a silly ridicules dress code and intolerance. European socialism has nothing in common with the teachings of a failed Arab, businessman.
Want me to tuck you in Zole?
Critisism of Halal Meat, Kosher, Vegan or anything else....identified as Islamophobia or something is rubbish and silly.
Unless they mean to suggest that because Muslims do this, therefore they would have certain characteristics.
@Woof Woof
Are Muslims responsible for YOUR level of illiteracy and ignorance too, I wonder?
Didn't quiet a lot of mathematics/algebra come from the Arab/Muslim world. Not to mention Arabic numerals....
@Hova "beleive in civil liberties, but when it comes to the burkah, we become authoritarian..."
Burka is a civil liberty issue in so far as it is actually represents repression of Woman. --- Ditto. Sati in India (which was also claimed to be self-choice) or even suicide.
People who call it matter of choice, are lying and they know it. It is matter of woman's oppression.
As far as attacks against innocent muslims is concerned, I have sympathy even though I do not agree with Muslim's special claim to victim-hood.
Also interesting point by
@gerry ...
why are people forced fed Halal meat? I am veggie, so personally does not apply to me, but I can see the issue Gerry is raising. If almost all food chains only prepare halal meet so that muslims will be happy then there is something wrong.
Also why is left liberal media calling that Mosque Imam in America "moderate" when he is saying American Constitution is Sharia Compliant? Why does he say so? And should he be allowed to say so and not be called a nutcase/bigot?
Mehdi - appeals for fair coverage of religions are a little more convincing when they're not coming from magazines that have recently given the impression of being under the editorial control of Titus Oates. If you want a climate of respect for religions, start by not engaging in mendacious hyperbole about other religions (e.g. your QT remarks about the Catholic Church).
@ RK "You have taken interesting perpective" thank you kindly.
" ...only responding.. lefties are trying to force down our throat. And is left not the one which sneers at the various injustices....all the time, most of them statistically insignificant to the ones you mentioned. So in a way, and because your arguments are quite strong, they can camouflage the real issue being raised here. Dont you thing?"
I prefer to think of myself as raising points for reflection or
discussion rather than arguments.
I see a conflict between a theoretical rationality and the practicalities of human motivation. Neither readers of the New Statesman not those of the Daily Mail, say, represent the acme of virtue nor the depth of viciousness.
Observation : societies tend to be wary of perceived outsiders. It may be a waste of nervous energy most of the time, but every so often it proves fully justified. 7/7 on a grand scale or the application of different standards to gaining votes, say.
Just because we're paranoid doesn't mean there aren't some people out to get us.
Does this help at all?
RE "anti-Islamic sentiment is the last socially acceptable form of bigotry in Britain today"
What utter bollocks! If you are white, male, British and atheist then you are in the most discriminated against groups in this country where the bigotry against you is enshrined in law.
Until equality is applied equally then you will have bigotry!
Islamophobia is 1) prejudice against or towards Muslims 2) fear or hatred of Muslims.
The Halal articles Mehdi mentions RK were Islamophobic because they failed to mention the exact same religious practice of other religious faiths and therefore were prejudicial against the religion of Islam.
Tom Paine. Stop using that name, you are no Tom Paine. Most you sight, predates Islam, or have you over looked the Greek's, Persians, and before that, the Egyptians.