''The shah's plan was to build bombs''
Akbar Etemad, the shah's chief atomic energy adviser, tells Maziar Bahari about the unlikely birth o
By Maziar Bahari Published 11 September 2008
Dr Akbar Etemad is the father of Iran's nuclear programme. After graduating from Lausanne University in 1963, Etemad returned to Iran and became a nuclear adviser to the Iranian government. He was the president of the Atomic Energy Organisation of Iran (AEOI) between 1974 and 1978.
The rising oil prices of the early 1970s allowed the Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, to embark on ambitious industrial and military projects. Under Etemad's supervision, Iran launched an extensive nuclear energy programme. The goal was to produce roughly 23,000 megawatts of electrical power from a series of nuclear power stations within 20 years.
A host of contracts between Iran and nuclear suppliers in Europe and the United States followed: Iran struck a deal with Kraftwerk Union, a Siemens subsidiary of then West Germany, to build two 1,200-megawatt reactors at Bushehr, and negotiated with the French company Framatome for two additional 900-megawatt reactors. In 1974, Iran reportedly invested $1bn in a French uranium enrichment plant owned by Eurodif, a European consortium.
The shah's plans and Iran's co-operation with Europe and the US came to an abrupt halt after the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Many of Etemad's colleagues fled the country or were summarily executed by the new rulers, and Etemad left Iran for France, where he has been living for the past 30 years. Yet losing his position has not made him bitter. He primarily blames the Europeans and the Americans for the current Iranian nuclear crisis. He believes that the west does not respect Iran's sovereignty - and that it is natural for Iranians not to trust Europeans and Americans.
Q Could you tell us about the history of Iran's nuclear technology?
A When Dwight Eisenhower initiated his Atoms for Peace programme in 1953, Iran was one of the first countries to receive a small nuclear reactor. It was primarily used for university research. Then, in the early 1970s, the shah came to the conclusion that Iran should develop its nuclear technology. We needed nuclear power plants to generate electricity: the population was increasing and people were using more electricity than before.
Q Did you ever ask the shah why he decided to develop Iran's nuclear programme when Iran had large oil and gas reserves?
A The shah always believed that oil shouldn't just be burned to produce energy. He used to tell other world leaders that oil is an industrial product and we have only a limited amount of it available to us. He thought that everyone should be looking for alternative sources of energy.
Q What did the American government, Iran's main ally at the time, think of Iran's nuclear policy?
A They agreed with Iran's nuclear policy, but with some reservations. Our negotiations with the Americans started in 1974. From the beginning, they had the precondition that they should have complete control over our nuclear fuel cycle. Both the Ford and Carter administrations told us privately that they didn't have any issues with the Iranian government. The problem was that Yugoslavia and Egypt were waiting to see what Iran and the US agreed. The Americans were asking us to compromise so they could replicate the agreement with other countries. I remember President Ford even wrote a private letter to the shah asking for more flexibility. But I told the shah that the Americans' relationship with other countries is their own problem. We must think about our national interest and have total control over our own fuel cycle. The shah agreed with me and put my comments in his reply to Ford.
Q Did the shah ever tell you that he may have wanted to build nuclear weapons?
A I always suspected that part of the shah's plan was to build bombs. So I came up with a plan to dissuade him. I asked the shah if I could spend a few hours every week teaching him about nuclear technology. I thought he should know enough about nuclear energy to know the dangers of a bomb. At the end of the sixth month I asked him, "So now that you have a good grasp of the technology, what direction do you want to take? Do you want to use it for peaceful purposes or to build bombs? I have to know that in order to plan it."
We talked for about three hours, and the shah told me his ideas about Iranian defence strategy. He thought that Iran's conventional army was already the most powerful in the region, and believed that Iran didn't need nuclear weapons at that moment. He also realised that if Iran developed nuclear weapons, the Europeans and the Americans wouldn't co-operate with it. But I think that if the shah had remained in power he would have developed nuclear weapons because now Pakistan, India and Israel all have them.
Q The current government of Iran says that its reasons for developing its nuclear programme are also peaceful. What do you think about the nuclear policy of the Islamic government?
A You may be able to criticise certain aspects of current Iranian nuclear policy. But the west has isolated Iran. The Europeans and the Americans, for instance, are not even providing them with spare parts for commercial airplanes that were paid for in the shah's time. So Iran has to buy second-hand Russian planes that fail every now and then and kill many Iranians every year. But young Iranian scientists are developing Iran's nuclear technology without any help from the west. This is something that I am really proud of.
Q The Europeans and the US argue that Iran has forfeited its right to enrich uranium because of what the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) described as "patterns of concealment" in the 1980s and 1990s.
A This is not a legal argument. I'm not sure what happened in the past. But even if they were not transparent 20 years ago, it doesn't mean that Iran cannot enjoy its right to enrich uranium within the framework of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). Many countries have lapsed in reporting their activities but were never punished. Iran has co-operated fully with the IAEA over the past five years. The west has only "suspicions". And suspicions have no legal weight.
Q You don't think that the Iranian government is trying to build nuclear weapons?
A I'm not a mind reader. The Iranian government says that it doesn't want to build bombs. But if you ask me, the way the west is isolating Iran leaves it no choice but to build nuclear weapons. Iran has nothing to lose and nothing to fear from sanctions any more. When Israel threatens to attack Iran, it dares to do so because it has nuclear weapons and Iran does not. The Iranian government may now see them as the only way they can defend themselves.
Q It seems that the Iranian government is preoccupied with its survival. Do you think if the west, especially the Americans, guarantees the security and survival of the Islamic regime, it would then be more flexible in its nuclear stance?
A Definitely. Iran wants the nuclear negotiations to be part of a bigger package that guarantees its security. If the west can assure Iranian officials that it doesn't want to overthrow them, Iranians would be more willing to negotiate. The west should stop supporting terrorism against Iran and helping groups such as the MKO [the People's Mujahedin of Iran, a militant Islamist opposition movement based in Iraq].
Q What do you think should be done now?
A Iran doesn't trust the west, and vice versa. By agreeing a temporary freeze of its programme for enrichment of uranium in November 2004, Iran showed its willingness to work with the west. But it was disappointed by the west's response, or lack of it.
There is no solution for Iran's nuclear prob-lem other than a diplomatic solution. I, as an Iranian, feel insulted when countries talk about attacking Iran militarily. A military attack would not weaken the Iranian government, and it could not stop the nuclear programme. It would only start a new regional crisis without a foreseeable end.
When a country is included in the world community it will be much more careful about what it does. The proposals and counterproposals should be transparent. No one knows what it is that the west is offering Iran and what is the Iranian response. A transparent policy would encourage Iranian leaders to be more responsive to international public opinion and act more responsibly. If the west adopts this policy, it can sort out its differences with Iran - not only over its nuclear programme but over other issues as well.
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25 comments
Iran must remain strong, independent and advance. The country has gone through so much hardships and should now Iranians should forget the past and make the necessary sacrifices to make the country stronger instead of quarelling amongst themselves which will only benefit the enemies of Iran.
It is unfortunate that Dr. Etemad's misguided nationalism, one which bears the imprint of the
by now obsolete (in terms of its form) of his generation's conflictual encounter with the demonised "West", has clouded his judgement.
To point that he ends up lending his support to
the cheap exploitation of Iranian nationalism
by the awful and cynical regime of Tehran.
In all fairness, one should also note that the regime of Tehran is past master at exploiting
every relevant actor's weaknesses.
Be it the arrogant hypocrisy of the "West", the
nationalistic inferiority complex of exiled ageing
Iranians or that of Iran's young people.
No, Dear Dr. Etemad, with all his faults, the late of Shah of Iran would not have embarked on the manufacturing of a nuclear weaopn unless
it had been necessary.
That is to say if the former Iraqi regime had done so,
The current regime in Tehran lies when it speaks of the "peaceful nature" of its nuclear programme.
It is hell bent on making nuclear weapons and for the sake of democracy in iran and peace and stability in the region, it must be stopped
by the imposition of effective diplomatic and economic sanctions.
Charmer, Paris
India is not a member of NPT, yet the west is too keen to transfer advance nuclear technology. This amounts to violation of the core principle of the treaty with impunity. Why should Iran or any one else abide by this nuclear aparthied. Double standards aside, even the lack of shame has its limits, but the west knows no limits.
I could not agree more with the "Iranian Realist"
on the nauseating character of all the bottomless
bluster that is "maufactured " in Iran.
But the "truth" is that, psychologically speaking,
risible boasting and nationalistic bluster are precisely the hallmark of an advanced inferiority complex.
A truly confident nation need not engage in
boasting excessively (!)
And our "Iranian Realist" is absolutely right
in pointing out to the crucial, that is to say, both
constructive and destructive input of "foreigners" in shaping Iran's culture and history.
More importantly still, he is dead right in underscoring the role of mer chancee in
" preserving" Iran' s identity as a nation.
That is why a future and truly confieent Iran
should rid itslf and help rid others of all manner
of nationalist and cultural neurosis.
This can only be done by assuming the complexity and contingency of one's historical
identity.
Here is the link to the article Mr. Saatchi pirated without mentioning its source :
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,417362,00.html
Blatant plagiarism at its best.
When do we want to learn, huh ??
"the nationalistic inferiority complex of exiled ageing Iranians or that of Iran's young people."
Are you sure you are talking about Iranians ? All I see is incessant narcissism stretching to megalomania at times. Spend some time reading youtube slant remarks made by our youth ad nauseam .
One needs to look at the big picture rather than being distracted by personalities and minor events. The real issue at hand is Anglo-American hegemony. With Iran becoming Nuclear, gun boat diplomacy in the Middle East will finally come to an end. This will in turn require an overhaul of geo-political thinking and alliances. In actuality it will foment regional alliances which in turn will be detrimental to the current 'balance of power diplomacy' of divide and conquer tactfully employed by the British for the latter couple of Centuries. It will also compel the US to seriously question, out of national interest, its unequivocal support of Israel. For the US to secure its lifeline to cheap oil it will have to sooner rather than later come to terms with Iran, otherwise Iran will be forcedinto the Russian and Chinese spheres. This will unequivocally challenge the very essence of Anglo-American hegemony. Conclusion, fix your Iran policy in amicable terms or risk losing control of your interests in cheap middle eastern oil. $100 is cheap for a barrel of oil (42 gallons).
"Any student of history and geopolitics will understand why attacking Iran will be a major faux pas."
I assume you are a student of history or geopolitics. A poor one in both indeed as we will see shortly.
"First, Iran is not a colonial creation and never was part of any colonial empire."
Wrong! Iran was conquered and ruled by the Greeks for over two centuries. A significant number of Greeks and Spartans resided in Iran and integrated in the population. The cultural exchanges were bilateral in spite of what some prejudice historians claim. That is just one example.
"Throughout the vicissitudes of history Iran has prevailed as a nation for over 2500 years."
Wrong. No matter how grim, the matter of fact is after the invasion of Arabs, the sovereignty of Iran was compromised and was not re-established for several centuries. Pure luck had it for us to emerge as the same nation again (whatever that is supposed to mean) in lieu of any other geopolitical permutation that could have happened with similar likelihood.
"If the US decides to attack Iran you can rest assured that Iranian Nationalism will trump any divisions amongst most Iranians."
Naive speculation. Read the next comment.
"The idea of dividing Iranians based on ethnic grounds, like that of Iraq or the balkans won't work in Iran. Most Iranians are hybids of Persians, Kurds and Azeri's etc. and it would be impractical by any logical standard to create such divisions."
Kurds, Azerbaijan, Khuzestan et al. all embody a deluge of separatists frustrated by the perpetual humiliation, intolerance and contemptuous bigotry of us Persians. I am afraid those racist jokes that we exuberantly laughed at for decades will take a toll on us eventually.
"The most unifying factor in Iran is Nationalism, which even trumps its state religion, Shi'ism."
yet another unsupported premise. Existing evidence by and large suggests otherwise. See the results of the recent survey carried out by World Public Opinion: When asked about their identity 62% of Iranians declared to be "Primarily as a member of my religion" whereas only 26% identified themselves as "Primarily as a citizen of Iran".
One needs to look at the big picture rather than being distracted by personalities and minor events. The real issue at hand is Anglo-American hegemony. With Iran becoming Nuclear, gun boat diplomacy in the Middle East will finally come to an end. This will in turn require an overhaul of geo-political thinking and alliances. In actuality it will foment regional alliances which in turn will be detrimental to the current 'balance of power diplomacy' of divide and conquer tactfully employed by the British for the latter couple of Centuries. It will also compel the US to seriously question, out of national interest, its unequivocal support of Israel. For the US to secure its lifeline to cheap oil it will have to sooner rather than later come to terms with Iran, otherwise Iran will be forcedinto the Russian and Chinese spheres. This will unequivocally challenge the very essence of Anglo-American hegemony. Conclusion, fix your Iran policy in amicable terms or risk losing control of your interests to cheap middle eastern oil. $100 is cheap for a barrel of oil (42 gallons).
Any student of history and geopolitics will understand why attacking Iran will be a major faux pas. First, Iran is not a colonial creation and never was part of any colonial empire. Throughout the vicissitudes of history Iran has prevailed as a nation for over 2500 years. If the US decides to attack Iran you can rest assured that Iranian Nationalism will trump any divisions amongst most Iranians. The idea of dividing Iranians based on ethnic grounds, like that of Iraq or the balkans won't work in Iran. Most Iranians are hybids of Persians, Kurds and Azeri's etc. and it would be impractical by any logical standard to create such divisions. The most unifying factor in Iran is Nationalism, which even trumps its state religion, Shi'ism. The geography of Iran is also conducive to asymetrical warfar, giving the indiginous population a critical advantage, not to mention its close proximity to Russia. To date Russia has had great difficulty securing a warm water port in close proximity Persian Gulf and Indian Ocean and China has had great difficulty in securing its future lifeline to cheap Middle Eastern Oil. However, all it would take to alter this balance of power would be to follow through with a pre-emptive stike against Iran. It is that simple! Only a myopic or ignorant individual would even broach the possibility of a preemptive war with Iran. The Israeli's should heed to Shakespeares quote, "oh what a tangled web we weave when we first practice to deceive."