The coming battle between old and young
Twentysomethings face living standard squeezes, while those in their 60s have never had it so good.
By Helen Lewis Published 18 March 2012 12:02
In the First Thoughts column of the magazine this week, I wrote about an idea which is currently gaining ground: that the young are being squeezed at the expense of the old.
Of all the arguments I have with my parents - both retired and in their sixties - the most intractable is whether they are the luckiest generation who ever lived. Having raised four children, they don't feel rich. Yet they live in a mortgage-free house and receive pensions from their former employers. They both grew up in houses with no TV or indoor loo, yet are currently in New Zealand, visiting their grandchildren.
I can't imagine my retirement will be anything like that. For a start, I remain stubbornly off the housing ladder and it will stay that way while London prices average £406,424 and lenders ask for a 25 per cent deposit. Lord knows what state the NHS will be in by the time I really need it. In the next few decades, the bill for Labour's assorted PFI follies will land on my generation's doormat. Pension? Ha!
This divide has been highlighted before - notably in Shiv Malik's and Ed Howker's book Jilted Generation - but it's becoming more stark as the coalition's economic policies hit the young hard. While graduates get saddled with thousands of pounds of debt and turfed out into a contracted jobs market, pensioners have winter fuel allowances and bus passes doled out to them without means-testing. As Daniel Knowles wrote in the Telegraph on 12 March: "It is a painful irony that the youngest government in history seems to be engineering such a spectacular flow of money towards the oldest."
All this is my way of saying that the mansion tax sounds like a sensible idea, even if it will affect the older generation disproportionately. When I read about Joan Bakewell, who bought a house for £12,000 that is now worth up to £4m, I struggle to empathise with her pain at the thought of being forced to downsize. I wish I knew what it's like to be sentimentally attached to a home but I've just moved into my fourth flat in five years.
Don't cry any tears for me - my twenties involve more skinny lattes and foreign holidays than my parents' ever did - but don't cry for the "asset-rich, cash-poor" baby boomers, either.
The piece I referred to, by Daniel Knowles, is worth reading in full. It explains how housing and childcare costs skew the appealingly simple picture of higher-rate taxpayers in middle-age as "rich" and pensioners as poor:
Most of those at the bottom of the income scale are actually pensioners, with lots of assets and relatively few outgoings - £25,000 a year is a lot if you have no mortgage to pay. They are getting off free, laughing as they swipe their free bus passes on the way to the bank.
Which brings me to my point: the Chancellor thinks that he is spreading the pain evenly, according to income. But he is actually spreading it unevenly, according to age. The people bearing the brunt of this Government's spending cuts and tax rises are young families. If they are poorer, their tax credits are frozen, their teenagers have lost the Educational Maintenance Allowance, VAT has gone up and the services they depend on - the school system, the nurseries and so on - are being starved of funds (even as the NHS, which old people use, gets more). If they are slightly richer, it's the child-benefit cut, the public-sector pay freeze, petrol taxes and the devaluation of the pound that hurt most.
It is a long-established principle that, as Adam Smith wrote in The Wealth of Nations, "the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion". But what Mr Osborne's policies prove is that we struggle to properly define who "the rich" are. Because we ignore age and wealth, "progressive" policies such as the child-benefit cut often aren't; they don't genuinely reflect ability to pay.
By coincidence, Saturday's Financial Times picked up the theme, splashing on an analysis of living standards which showed that the "disposable household incomes of people in their 20s have stagnated over the past 10 years just as older households are capturing a much greater share of the nation's income and wealth".
The result is that "the median living standards of people in their 20s have now slipped below those of people in their 70s and 80s". And as Alistair Darling told the paper: "You can't honestly say to younger people any longer, you'll do better than your father or mother's generation." The word "alienation" increasingly crops up, and you can see in the student protests and movements such as UK Uncut that some youngsters are beginning to vocalise their feelings of being dealt an unfair hand.
While this idea is not new -- see Shiv Malik and Ed Howker's Jilted Generation or David Willett's The Pinch -- it is likely to become increasingly bitterly fought terrain as austerity measures bite. The conventional political wisdom is that because older people are more likely to vote than younger ones, it is safer to target the latter with potentially unpopular measures. (There's also something to the fact that most heavyweight political commentators are of a certain age... ) George Osborne has taken his axe to a raft of benefits aimed at the working population - such as child tax credits - the goodies handed out to pensioners, such as free bus passes and winter fuel allowances, have been left untouched.
The FT pointed to Britain moving to a "family welfare" model, with the younger generations relying on the elder more, as happens in some Mediterranean countries. But, as John Hills of the LSE points out, this hurts those who can't, for example, rely on the Bank of Mum and Dad for a housing deposit, or help with university costs:
"The thing to focus on isn't so much the generational conflict itself, because a lot of the wealth of the previous generation will be passed down, or is being passed down... it's the people who are locked out of that in both generations. It's clearly harder as a young person if you don't have that kind of family support."
These are complicated issues, but a clear picture emerges: that 20, 30 and 40-somethings are bearing the brunt of the coalition's economic policies. But which politician is brave enough to make that argument?
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There are some interesting deadlines on this article but I don’t know if I see all of them middle to heart. There may be some validity but I'll take maintain opinion until I look into it further. Good article , thanks and we wish extra! Added to FeedBurner as well
Two points,one you are a Fascist and ,two,age will make it your turn,eventually.Lets see if you are then so keen to die to order,imbecile.
Don't create a dispute between older people and the young. Most pensioners are not rich the average pensioner couple receive under £19k gross and out of that they pay 27% in tax. (More than Clegg's tycoon tax) Bus passes are good for the environment and they also subsidise the bus services. Remove the passes and buses will be withdrawn for everyone including the young. Yes tax property and asset wealth this tax could be supported by loans that would be paid off on death (eg IHT.
The NHS will be the undoing of this country...
Far too many people who in an earlier age would have died 'within their time' are now living living 'beyond their time'. They require ever more help and expense. They are the selfish ones.
Death and taxes being the only two certainties in this life. They may have paid their taxes in their working lifetimes, but, the more they live beyond 'three score years and ten' - the more in indebted they become to those in work now. They will have 'spent' their contributions. They are the selfish ones.
Solution ? After ten years of claiming the State pension - no one should receive life saving treatment. Death comes to us all.
GET USED TO IT, GET OVER IT, and, while you still have one - GET A LIFE !
Your Generation
Written by Thomas Paign, 2012
Performed by TBD, 2012
U People will try to keep us d-down (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
While U work us into the ground (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
To support a future that’s already been s-s-sold (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
I hope U die before U get old (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
This is your generation
This is your generation, Granny
Why don't U all f-fade away (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
U better listen to what we all s-s-say (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
We are trying to cause a big s-s-sensation (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
To defend our future from your g-g-g-generation (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
This is your generation
This is your generation, Granny
Why don't you all f-fade away (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
And don't try to s-steal our p-pay-day (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
I am trying to cause a b-big s-s-sensation (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
I'm takin’ this message to the entire n-n-nation (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
This is your generation
This is your generation, Granny
Pop your boner pills and p-play away (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
Kick the can again our w-w-way (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
We’ll no longer do what we’ve been t-t-told (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
Gotta steal our future back from the o-o-old (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
This is your generation
This is your generation, Granny
U People will try to keep us d-down (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
While U work us into the ground (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
To support a future that’s already been s-s-sold (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
Yeah, I hope U die before U get old (Talkin' 'bout your generation)
This is your generation
This is your generation, Granny
@Synopticist and McMac
First off - I'm not saying it's not fair for me (see the sentence "Don't cry any tears for me - my twenties involve more skinny lattes and foreign holidays than my parents' ever did"). I'm pointing out a generational inequality, which affects millions of people in this country. Flagging this up is important if policymakers are going to take this into account. Perhaps you think the FT, which is running a series on this subject, is entirely staffed by "pampered privately educated, gap yeared, Oxbridge graduates"?
Secondly, I'm not "blaming" pensioners - no one is. Just pointing out that they have benefited disproportionately from the boom. This isn't a view which is confined to the young - David Willetts, whose book title includes the words "How the Baby Boomers Took Their Children's Future - And Why They Should Give it Back" - is 56 years old.
Ah, Mr Taggart, how old are you? Do you have a car? How much do you spend on clothes? How often do you eat out? How much do you pay to operate your mobile phone? And what makes you think you deserve all this? Have you done anything noteworthy? No, thought not.
Its accumulated wealth. If you keep on spending money and not saving it you wont accumulate wealth.
You've also to got to think outside the square if you want money quickly. There will be another stock market boom 'soon' and Chinese stocks are the place to be. Sort yourself out .. borrow some money and take a risk.
Thank God I'm American.
I am eighteen, own a car, have a good job, live in an apartment and am in the process of buying a house because basically I'm lucky and can get one really cheap. Also since I worked hard in high school and graduated early I have only two years of college left. Am I unlucky because I was born in this generation instead of that one? I wouldn't say so.
Apologies Mr Taggart. You are a poor man. And soon you will be and old man. I hope you are planning an exit n your retirement instead of hanging about bleeding the rest of us dry. Or are you going to hand your pension back? And no trips to the doctor,mind. That's my money your are spending. Being is not nearly enough. What have you contributed? You've had your chance you wastrel. You are por but obviously not poor enough. The prayer mat and the begging bowl for you, my lad.
I shall rely, in my old age, on my Irish acres.
@FP.
'Your' Irish acres ?
'We' just bailed your lot out for £6b !
Ones own contribution ? - Duty, Duty, Duty + VAT !
H H-L is one of the reasons I won't be renewing my subscription. Her clique, having never ventured out of the Home Counties, equate London and it's bloated midddle class economy with real life. Come "up North" to my village, we're all poor!
This gap between the generations is the natural result of huge government expenditure (with ever diminishing returns), the fact that the UK prefers pieces of paper to real achievement reducing our competitiveness in the world. I wonder if the Occupy movement will ever target Gordon Brown the Great Spender? The banks were pushers to his habit... By the way Divine, China is a poor choice to invest now, massively overheated already.
Poverty in old age is a huge issue.
Mr Devine:
"Borrow some money and take a risk." Seriously?! You appear to be missing the point. Who exactly are twenty-something's supposed to borrow from? Banks won't lend and on the off chance you have a family member with a few grand tucked away, they're not very likely to lend you money with no guarantee they will ever receive it back.
I'm a 20-something and am fortunate enough at this point to be comfortable but that isn't guaranteed to stay that way and I have no intention of "taking a risk" when I may very well need that money in the near future. Being made redundant is not out of the realm of possibility in this economy, is it now? You're out of touch if you really think it's that simple.
It is wrong to make the young jealous of their parents and paint the present crisis in those terms. It sounds like a useful diversion to me, a divide and rule strategy, just like the engineered rivalry between public and private sector workers.
The truth is that this is a country where some old people are obscenely rich and some are dying of cold and neglect.The truth is the kids of the rich will be rich and the kids of the poor will be poor. The division is class.Period.The obscenity is the divide between rich and poor, not between the young and the old.
This is a country which has one of the least generous state pension in Europe and to state that the 60+ are all well off is a complete fallacy.
As to the young who perceive themselves as being screwed by the system, which they are no doubt, like everybody else, why is it that not more of them are prepared to fight for their future?
What I find most depressing is the apathy of the younger generation, who don't seem to have any ideals and any fire in their belly. Apart from a minority involved in the Occupy movement, the under 30's seem quite resigned to their fate and I don't see many of them demonstrating their anger, like you see them in other countries like Spain or Greece.It is their fight. Apart from rioting and stealing trainers,I don't see them articulating political arguments and their political awareness, never mind activism, is minimum. Do they expect their grannies to do it for them?
Now they are told they can blame their mums and dads for their bleak future.How convenient.
It's not coming Helen, it's come, so to speak.
Pleased this phenomenon is gaining some traction. I've been arguing the case in a variety of local public meetings mostly attended by pensioners and much to their outrage, though some of them are finally starting to see my point. Unlike MPs and councillors who don't have the courage to tackle the subject for fear of losing votes.
@ FP.
Oneself ? - middle aged.
Car ? - never had, never wanted.
Clothes spend ? - £100.00 pa at the very most.
Mobile Phone ? - £30.00 pa max.
Done anything noteworthy ? - Nope - like most other folk - just the 'grease' in the machine not even a cog !
Deserving all 'this' ? - indeed - I BE THEREFORE I CAN !
I'm thrilled to see that the British are taking up the response of primitive societies to fear of poverty: fear the old, demonise them, and starve and burn them out.
Reminds me of the old story of the man who decides to leave his old father in the wilderness. He hoists his dad on his back and sets off, and when he's getting very tired, and thinking about leaving his father here to die, he passes a large rock, and slides his father off his back. For the first time, his father speaks: "Oh, there's that rock."
What about it, the son asks, and the father says: "That's the rock where I left my father to die."
The son turns around and picks up his father, saying: "We'll manage somehow."
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I'm a twenty-something with an alright job I've worked hard for, really wanting to get on the property ladder but unfortunately without a deposit that will take a few more years to afford. I understand this article as it rings very true to me, however when will there be an article written that can actually help the situation, not just point it out to us. My parents/grandparents can't help me, they only know their own circumstance and don't have the experience for this. What can we do about it?
Hang on a minute there, I saw what you just did.
At a time of ever growing income inequalities, when the rich are richer and the poor poorer, than in any time since the thirties, as corporations sit on record profits, as the rich get tax cuts, you're blaming who?
People aged over 60, and Labour building schools and hospitals. Well, f*ck you basically. No, really.
You can take the girl out of The Mail...
I thought the current problems where caused by the banks and a credit fueled boom, and gordon Brown's fiscal incompetence. Not the pensioners.
When will we realise that politics as we know it is all about maintaining class wealth differentials? Representational government is about rule by an elite. Party politics is about power. It's really quite simple. Why do we swallow the propaganda?
I am not from Britain but like everywhere where I live some people also think anyone over 60 is on a gravy train.
I wonder why???
I am over 60 and own my own home now for 30 years. I paid off the mortgage quickly. reason I am not a bank shareholder.
I started work at 14, went to Uni at 35 and retired at 60.
I am a self funded retiree. I knew that the national taxpayer pension was not much use and after Uni I found work where I and the employer
paid into a retirement scheme. It was also known as salary sacrifice. You get less paid and the employer puts the difference into the scheme. Even blind Freddy knows it was essentially just your money.
After doing it for 20 odd years and having saved a bit more by living below my means (difference is called saving) all my working life I was able to retire with enough coming in to live a decent life.
I don't even give a stuff that I don't get the government pension even though I paid taxes for 46 years.
My son unlike some of his generation has adopted my approach of living below his means . Unlike me he went to Uni at 19 and is managing pretty well. he will have paid off his mortgage at least around the same age as I paid of mine.
He has never said dad you had it easy. He tells me that I used my head and common sense to get where I am now.
I better not mention when I got the first time a credit card. for me it is just a bit of plastic that saves me from carrying a lot of cash around. I always pay all of it back on time. I never feel so charitable towards the credit card company that
I would feel inclined to pay 19% interest on money that I can pay back before these goons can grab hold of it.
My advice to anyone who cares to listen is, buy only what you need.
If you want something but you don't need it then stay away from it because you may not be able to afford it.
Europeans and the US types must by now have realised to living on credit only last a few years and then the pain sets in when you can't afford the repayments any more.
@ Fiona (above), read what I have written here it may give you some ideas.
Unless you inherit money you have to work for it.
Just ask yourself, do I want everything in the first 10 years or would it be better to spread everything out over over 40 or 50 years.
I am an optimist, for me the glass is always half full. It may not be champagne but just plain water, however it is still half full.
IMO there is nothing worse than having to live when you are old by having to scrounge every day because you had no foresight when you were younger.
To add to my comments above.
Never rely on the State to look after your well being, unless of course you have a life threatening sickness. and you can't cope by yourself any more.
Considering how the politicians run the affairs of the State, you must say to yourself, am I that hopeless that I can't run my own affairs better than this lot runs the State.
If your answer is I am not as hopeless, then you need to set out and organise your affairs in such a way as to benefit from it.
The State will never do something that necessarily benefits you.
You must take charge of your life and accept responsibility for it.
You may stuff up here and there but you will learn as you move along.
By not relying on the State your self esteem will increase together with your self confidence.
Don't forget that man does not live off bread alone. There is more to live than money.
If money is the only value in your life then you really must be pitied.
But really this article is in the same vain as Laurie Penny’s cries
Waaaaaaah it’s not fair, we’ve got to work weally weallly hard, can only afford international travel three times a year waaaaaah waaaaaah. And houseses are weally weally expensive and I can’t afford one. *Stamps foot* IT’S SO UNFAIR.
It’s the culture shock of pampered privately educated, gap yeared, Oxbridge graduate who for the first time in their lives isn’t getting exactly what they want NOW!. Forget the 1% this is the whine of someone whose won the lottery of life and is in the top 0.001% on the planet but it’s not enough.
I dont know why this is always made about twenty-somethings, when its a problem that has seriously affected 30 and 40 somethings, as is eventually said at the end of the article. In fact, 30 and 40 somethings (im obviously one) might be said to have it harder, as our exams pre-18 were more difficult than most 20-somethings, so even our most basic qualifications (GCSEs and A Levels) carry lower grades in comparison. A B for me would get an A now, at least, and Ive looked through the papers so Im not talking out of my arse. But on a CV the difference isnt obvious, they just look, on paper, smarter than us, and this is insisted upon constantly too "the exams arent easier now, we're just smarter and better at everything!". We were brought up in a time where most permanent job security and perks had gone out the window, in the cities at least, often what was available was temping. That is never appreciated by prospective employers on a cv, it wasnt reliable, and was stressful for other reasons as well. Then the temp jobs, the call centres etc, moved abroad en masse, and left us with 'patchy' CVs and nowhere to go, many of us with families to support, and many more with future-families they wanted to start but have never felt they could afford to. We didnt have a sense of entitlement from being given constant certificates for putting in the most basic effort in schools, we didnt have the internet or mobiles as kids - we lived in miserable bedsits, didnt have anyone telling us we could all 'be something', and we used payphones and our feet. Hence the 'anti social' punk, goth, grunge, hiphop, the whole 'reality bites fuck you wont do what you tell me society doesnt care at all about us public enemy' subcultures, which came along far before the 20somethings came into adulthood. Its not a case of 'woe is me', its a case of a long term problem that only seems to begin to matter when a thus far generously supported generation starts to suffer, and then its *all about them*, endless articles about this abandoned 'expanded' middle class youth who are being kept from all the dreams theyve been led to believe were within their grasp in the 'no more bust' future. Many more of their generation have degrees, which puts them in front of the employment queue in comparison to us with no degrees and our 'patchy' work history. They tend to have a bigger confidence too, I think, which comes in part from media 'youre worth its', growing up taking for granted many more consumer items than we couldve dreamed of, a media that has persistently targetted them in tv content, advertising, etc, while pretty much ignoring us, leisure and social establishments marketed nearly completely at them. Bitter much? Yeah. Wish these '20somethings have been abandoned' articles would stop popping up, its a much bigger problem than this, its really unhelpful to continue to ignore the generation before, or mention us as a sideline rather than include us totally. And by the way - most of these articles are about a generation who are unhappy about not being included in a mainstream. 'In my day' we rejected that mainstream because it was clearly unhealthy, as this younger generation is finding out. So stop begging to be included, start joining those who genuinely want alternatives!
@ RWB @ 15.09. - does that make you a 'cowboy' ?!