Editor's Note: England, Scotland, Britain?

An independent Scotland would be viable but why break up Britain?

Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond.
Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond launches the 'Yes' campaign for Scottish independence in Edinburgh. Photograph: Getty Images.

Has Scotland disappointed the Queen? That question was posed by the Today programme on the morning after the bank holiday jubilee concert at Buckingham Palace, to which I had the good fortune to receive an invitation. There had been fewer street parties in Scotland and fewer public displays of ostentatious monarchism. In reply, Tom Devine, the SNP’s favourite historian, spoke of how the Scots were less demonstrative than the English and of how the younger members of the royal family seemed more “anglicised” than their parents and grandparents, less romantically attached to the Highlands and Islands. William is a graduate of St Andrews – it was where he met Kate Middleton, who would become his wife, after all – but that university was long ago colonised by the English landed and trust-fund classes, and their very presence in such large numbers amid the cloisters of that ancient institution continues to antagonise Scots as it would have done the young Alex Sal­mond when he was an undergraduate there.

Part of the Union
The SNP leader is wise to have delayed his referendum on independence. If it were held in this year of the Diamond Jubilee, he would lose, and he knows it. As a gradualist, he understands that while a majority of Scots would welcome more devolution, and even full fiscal autonomy as Catalonia has been agitating for within Spain, independence is considered a leap too far. With a population of five million, with oil and gas reserves and a GDP per capita that is only slightly below the UK average, Scotland is a viable independent nation. But why wilfully break up Britain, which is one of the most successful multinational states in history and encourages a form of benign nationalism?

Salmond keeps on shifting position: from wanting to join the eurozone, he now says that he would want an independent Scotland to remain part of what he calls the “sterling zone”. He would retain the Queen as head of state, and he might soon renounce the SNP’s historic commitment to unilateralism and the removal of Trident from Scottish waters, as well as seek to join Nato. The Queen, the pound, the BBC, the National Health Service, even nuclear weapons – what kind of independence is this that the SNP leader seeks and could it not be achieved just as fully within a reconfigured British state, without the trauma of separation and the hostilities it would provoke?

Pale as the thistle
What I like about Britishness is that it offers an umbrella under which we can shelter if we wish in all our diversity and difference. Today, when capital and people are so mobile and we are used to sharing sovereignties in supranational institutions such as the European Union, we have become much more comfortable with miscegenation and with compound or hyphenated identities: black British, Asian British, Welsh, British and European, and so on. Scottishness is also a civic identity rather than a blood-and-soil nationalism of the Braveheart (or Balkan) variety as some would caricature it. But Scotland has not experienced anything like the level of immigration that transformed the ethnic demographics of England. Can you name a black footballer who has represented Scotland? Can you think of a major black Scottish writer or artist or broadcaster? Visit Scotland and you have a sense of an overwhelmingly white country, even if it is being slowly changed by the arrival of economic migrants from within the EU.

Loose and baggy monster
I have black friends born in England who are happy to describe themselves as “black British” but who feel less comfortable about calling themselves English. This may be generational, because for them England and Englishness are problematically associated with the racism and exclusion they experienced as children. It’s true that a new kind of English civic identity – liberal, tolerant, inclusive, a little too bashfully patriotic – is being continuously made and remade, but it is an identity that remains coterminous with Britishness, and with being part of a multinational, multi-ethnic, religiously plural state that has a popular monarch as its head. Our sense of ourselves as a unified people is as a result much weaker than in many other, more homogeneous European countries, especially as the forces that forged the British nation – Protestantism, empire, war with continental Europe, the welfare state – have weakened. Still, part of the attraction of Britishness, and I felt it again during the protracted jubilee celebrations, is its very ambiguity.

Oh, what fun we had!
Watching Madness play two numbers on the roof of Buckingham Palace I was reminded that pop is essentially a form of late adolescence and early adulthood. Here they were, Suggs, Chas Smash and the other self-styled Nutty Boys, recycling songs they first performed as teenage ragamuffins from Camden Town at the end of the Seventies. The truth about most pop stars – Madness are no exception – is that by the time they reach their mid-to-late twenties their best work is behind them. They don’t seem to get any better. It’s as if they are frozen in a kind of perpetual present: they know the fans want to hear only the songs they wrote when everyone was young together, and if they have any sense they happily oblige, because what would be the alternative when new songs = empty venues?

He’s got the funk
Sitting close to me at the concert was Simon Schama, the hyperactive TV historian and polymath. For the first third of the concert he seemed distinctly uninterested. He sat reading whatever was on his Kindle while all around people were standing and waving small Union flags. Then something inside Schama began to stir. His green-shoed feet began to tap. He looked up once or twice from his Kindle. When the pianist Lang Lang began to play, Schama stood up and said to me: “He’s actually rather fucking good. Not just a pretty boy.” By the time Kylie Minogue strutted on to the stage, in all her camp splendour, Schama was up on his feet and dancing wildly in the aisles. And that was where he stayed, dancing, until the eruption of fireworks from the palace roof signalled a return to normality.

17 comments

Drew Edward's picture

Essentially, it boils down to this for me. The last 3 Governments in Westminster have been at best hopeless and at worst, criminally incompetent. New Labour was a let down and there's not enough space here to describe how bad the Tories were and still are. Outsourcing our decision-making is no longer an attractive option.

An independent Scotland would be far from perfect but it could hardly be as bad as the last 30 years. Where do I start? A record gap between rich and poor in terms of wages, not even near the top 10 of OECD countries in their league of overall living standards and well being (UK was 25th in 2011), Trident, Iraq, privatising public services, attacking the welfare state, abolishing employment rights and trade union participation etc etc.

In short, we need all our politicians in Edinburgh where we can keep an eye on them and make decisions with some idea of what is actually happening here.

joe parker's picture

Left wingers had no interest in being British until recently. They hate the idea of the English asserting themselves and acting like the Scots, Welsh, Irish, and immigrant groups. I want to be English, as do many other English people. This does not mean I am a neo nazi. The article shows a lack of knowledge about Scotland. It has a large Indian Sub continental population in the central belt. Edinburgh has a long established Chinese population. Nigel Qaushie became Scotlands first black association footballer and non whites have represented Scotland in other sports. I hope Scotland becomes independent. If people do not want to be English, they should leave. The majority of English people are not braying Tories.They are social class C2 downwards. We are hated and despised by the intellectuals of the left ,right and centre, the unwanted peole of England.

kamal's picture

It is a very interesting topic. Thank you so much
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Megsmaw's picture

What I don't get is the constant focus of what the SNP say Scotland will/will not be part of after independence. Their policies are irrelevent now as a general election will be called to form the new Scottish government after a yes vote. Therefore the SNP may not even be voted in (if they even still exist post independence).

Independence seems to be good enough for every other country in the world (even the Falklands), but not Scotland. We're sick of being ruled by a government we did not vote for - the total Scottish general election vote can be wiped out by the votes of London alone.

Will Podmore's picture

Salmond wants not independence, but 'independence within the EU'.
But the loss of economic sovereignty to the EU would mean an even less sovereign Scotland than exists within the union. If Scotland joined the euro, it would have to negotiate acquiring gold and Forex reserves from the Bank of England to give to the ECB in Frankfurt.
Why would Scotland aim to join the eurozone, to which its exports were just £9 billion, when its intra-country ‘exports’ to the rest of the UK are £36 billion, four times as much? How could an independent Scotland fund its public spending, which is higher per head than in Wales and northern England? Higher taxes? Becoming a tax haven?
The union has been, and is, good for all involved. Break-up would be bad for us all.

duck soup's picture

"...the EU would mean an even less sovereign Scotland than exists within the union."

The EU would not prevent an independent Scotland removing nuclear weapons nor would it try to bulid more nuclear power stations in Scotland. The EU would not try to keep control of Scotland's seabeds with the Crown Estates or deny the right of the Scottish Parliament to have control of broadcasting. The EU would not take all Scottish oil,gas and renewables revenues and decide how much gets returned to Holyrood. Nor would the EU insult Scotland by repeatedly lying that it is a subsidised nation. The EU would not prevent Scottish Government ministers from attending EU meetings. The EU would not push for a GB Olympic football team that risks Scotland's football team.

The union has been,and is,good for certain people.

Benjamin Rae's picture

Scotland could fund it's public spending because it puts in more than gets out. It could try
progressive taxation. Scottish politics is too different from England for current arrangements to be sustainable. A lot of English people are not happy with Scottish influence in the UK and a lot of Scottish people resent being dictated to by a very right wing government it did not vote for.
The best solution would be a split.

simoned's picture

Now he wants independence, but not any kind of independence, he wants an independence where he can still be sheltered from the big bag world by the United Kingdom but free(I don't know from what), I think he just wants to be the leader of the UK or maybe he thinks that being part of a confederation will minimize the Scottish spirit? joconline

duck soup's picture

Jason Cowley asserts that a referendum held during this Jubilee year would have guaranteed a rejection of independence. Presumably Jason thinks lots of union jack waving on TV would sway people. How feeble a grasp he has of Scotland. Anyway,has he forgotten that the SNP won a majority 5 days after the royal wedding.

Benjamin Rae's picture

Salmond doesn't know he'd lose a referendum this year. He thinks he'd stand better chance in 2 years time when austerity and brutish right wing policies have had proper time to bite. It's not quite the same thing now is it?
The UK is one of the most successful collections of nations but that's not saying much now is it. Most countries have thought it better to go their own direction.
There's a very good reason for Scotland to secede. Scotland is a social democratic country. The UK is not and those supposedly representing that point view have moved so far the right they can't really be described as progressive.
If Scotland is to get the politics it wants, it will have to secede. It's that straightforward

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