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Postman Chat: Why an underground Royal Mail forum is a “godsend” for postal workers

For 12 years, an unofficial website has been a haven for Royal Mail workers too afraid to post on social media. 

When Martin* gets to work at 6:30 in the morning, there isn’t much time to stand around and talk. The 37-year-old postman starts his day at a sorting office in the Midlands, where walking back and forth to sort the mail means chatting is limited to “banter”.

“You could get yourself involved in a serious conversation and then two minutes later you have to walk to the other side of the sorting office so you can’t continue,” he explains. Once he’s begun his four-hour long route delivering post, the opportunity for a heart-to-heart completely disappears. But this hardly matters – because three or four times a week Martin goes online and gets instant access to the most intimate thoughts of 79,000 of his colleagues. is the unofficial online home of postal workers. There are 1,280 posts about dog bites, a 29-page thread complaining about The Sun releasing a heavy 24-page supplement (“like carrying a coffin to yer own grave”), and an abundance of calls to ban low-level letterboxes (repeatedly bending down causes back strain). There is even a definitive answer as to why some posties wear shorts during snowstorms: “Shorts because legs dry. Trousers don’t.”

“Any problems that anyone may have, we can help and we’ve got a great community effect going on,” says Liam Nam, the 49-year-old founder of the forum, who has worked for Royal Mail since September 1997.

“I think sites like mine are important for workers, especially in the current climate with the way jobs are: mass part-time and zero-hours contracts and cuts, cuts, cuts.”

Like most internet forums, posters on Royal Mail Chat (RMC) have their own acronyms. “DO” is delivery office, while “LSM” is the letter sorting machine. Those cards you get when you miss your parcel are 739s. But one piece of shorthand is more surprising than the others. “B&H” is shorthand for “bullying and harassment.”

Liam Nam isn’t Liam Nam’s real name. (It’s “mail man” backwards.)


In 2015, Royal Mail Chat’s Facebook page was shut down. “I can’t be associated with someone getting the sack so it had to go,” says Liam now. Royal Mail has strict policies about how its workers behave on social media, and Liam says two colleagues were suspended for posts they made on RMC’s companion Facebook group, so he deleted it.

“There are risks to both you and Royal Mail if you use social media inappropriately,” read Royal Mail’s employment policies from August 2017, citing the potential for “serious damage to Royal Mail’s reputation, brand and business”. Some of the rules employees must obey include: not using the Royal Mail brand name or logo in their social media profiles, not taking images or videos of any Royal Mail Group sites, and “regularly” checking their privacy settings. “You have a responsibility to ensure you don’t damage the company through your online activities,” reads the guide. 

“There is a certain amount of anonymity here which I like,” Liam says of the forum, although he explains that he does regularly remind users of Royal Mail’s online policy to prevent anyone getting into trouble. The forum has been running for 12 years, and Royal Mail’s rules go some way to explaining why this slightly archaic form of online communication remains so popular with postmen. On a forum, tens of thousands of postal workers can talk freely under the cloak of anonymity.

“There is a deep rooted problem with Royal Mail management especially since we were privatised,” Liam claims. “Due to cuts and pressure on profit, workers are intimidated and bullied to finish their work – especially new starters. It’s horrible to read but we do our best to help them.”

Jason* is a 31 year old from Yorkshire who has been a postman for just under six years. “A great many times the forum has helped me with issues I have faced,” he says. “A main one is the perpetual nature of bullying and harassment by managers within Royal Mail, which is endemic.” Jason explains that the forum has helped him find documented proof he can use to argue with difficult managers. For example, if he can’t deliver everything on his route (nicknamed “cutting off”), he can cite the “overrunning deliveries procedure” to ensure he isn’t unfairly punished or forced into overtime.  

“I don’t think we’re a bunch of militant loons, we’re a bunch of posties who want to earn a decent living without the fear of being bullied or harassed by managers in the workplace,” says Liam. “This site has been a godsend for thousands of workers over the years.”

Eugene* is a 58-year-old postman from Dorset who joined RMC a year after a transfer meant his working hours were cut in half. “It was nice to know that there were other posties who had the same problems, and felt the same way,” he says. “RMC offers an outlet where you can basically let off steam without getting sacked.” Eugene says that like Jason, he used the site when managers lied about worker’s rights (he calls the lying “endemic”). On the day I first joined the forum, a postman started a thread about his manager, who was trying to overule his doctor’s note and get him back to work. Replies showed that multiple other people had also had the same problem in the past. 

“The jokes and moaning are just background, the most important aspect is advice and information,” Eugene says. A quick glance through RMC shows that over the years, posts have helped people to secure better hours, get compensation for dog bites, and convince managers to allocate extra trousers. In severe weather conditions, RMC advises postal workers on their rights when managers insist they carry on as normal.

“You have to be careful because you can be identified, and sanctioned, if management recognise your posts, which is why we all tend to very vague and not too specific,” says Eugene. Because of this, there is a persistent fear that Royal Mail moles are watching the forum. Two postmen declined to speak with me for this piece for fear of being reprimanded. “I have looked at certain posters and wondered if they are some kind of a plant/shill for management,” writes one user on the site. 

RMC’s motto is “nam et ipsa scientia potestas est” – Latin for “knowledge itself is power”.


Sometimes, knowledge is just knowledge. For an outsider, RMC’s 777,000 posts are a fascinating insight into the life of a postman – and an education on what we do wrong as customers.

A post that has been running for 11 years, “What type of customers annoy you most”, is informative. You shouldn’t stop your post-person in the street and ask them to look in their bag for your stuff, and they’ve heard the “hope it’s not bills” joke a fair few times before. Instead of opening the door, some people stand behind and it snatch the post as it is pushed through the letterbox (don’t), while teenagers shout across the street: “Is your name Pat?”

A postman meme

Threads for new-starters are also eye-opening for non-posties. Martin from the Midlands enjoys helping those who are new to the job via the forum. 

“It’s really helpful because you don’t get shown and don’t get told everything from the management,” he says. “It’s a lot more necessary than it was 10 years ago, when the job was a lot easier than it is now.”

In December 2017, a new starter asked RMC for advice. They were told that their legs and feet would struggle at first, and to always wear a hat with a peak (the hoods on the allocated uniform are apparently “infamous for continually blowing off in the wind”), and to keep their toenails trimmed. 

On another thread, “AND A FUNNY THING HAPPEND TO ME WAS______”, postal workers tell their most amusing anecdotes about the life of a postie. There’s the old lady that gives satsumas instead of proper Christmas tips, plenty of customers who open the door half-clothed, and the man who refused a Domino’s voucher because his name was not, he insisted, “Mr Pizza Lover”. 

The stories are great – but some of them may be just that. A thread entitled “SEXY, desperate, housewives...” allows postmen and women to share encounters with customers who invite them inside. Alongside the too-good-to-be-true tales are posts expressing disappointment. “I did get asked into a home once, she lulled me in…” reads one, “only to end up fixing her cooker.”


In many ways, Royal Mail Chat is an unofficial social network for post-people. It isn’t a secret – many of the posties I spoke to stumbled upon it with a quick Google – but it is secretive. The strict rules implemented by Royal Mail mean that postal workers have stuck to forums while other online communites move to Facebook groups, Twitter accounts, or WhatsApp chats. Total anonymity allows the freedom to both improve working conditions and and make jokes about customers receiving packages shaped like sex toys. 

For outsiders, the forum can help to shatter misconceptions. In a 2011 post about Postman Pat, a postie bemoans the show’s fantastical elements. “Having 5 houses to deliver to, having all the time in the world to talk to your neighbours, no manager pressure ... allowing pets in the van, kids treating you with respect and admiration,” they write.

“Who has a round like this?”

* All names have been changed

Amelia Tait is a technology and digital culture writer at the New Statesman.

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A century ago, the Spanish flu killed 100 million people. Is a new pandemic on the way?

Our leaders need to act like the outbreak has already started – because for all we know it may have.

It is hard not to have a sneaking envy of the virus. As complex creatures, we are distracted by myriad demands on our attention; we will never know the dead-eyed focus of the viral world. It is akin to the psychopath: a cold, purposeful drive to achieve its own agenda, coupled with the skills and resourcefulness to succeed. In a world threatened by nuclear war and devastating climate change, it may actually be the virus that we should fear most.

This is the centenary year of the Spanish flu outbreak, when a virus killed between 50 and 100 million people in a matter of months. The devastation was worldwide; it is only known as Spanish flu because Spain, neutral in the ongoing hostilities of World War One, was the only country without press restrictions. Across Europe, people assumed their own outbreaks originated in the only place reporting on the disaster.

A number of authors have lined up with a kind of grim celebration of influenza’s annus mirabilis. As well as chronicling the fatal reach of this organism, they all offer a warning about a follow-up pandemic that is overdue – and for which, it seems, we are largely unprepared. “Somewhere out there a dangerous virus is boiling up in the bloodstream of a bird, bat, monkey, or pig, preparing to jump to a human being,” says Jonathan Quick in The End of Epidemics. “It has the potential to wipe out millions of us, including my family and yours, over a matter of weeks or months.”

If that seems a little shlocky, you should know that Quick is no quack. He is a former director at the WHO, the current chair of the Global Health Council and a faculty member at Harvard Medical School. The book’s blurb includes endorsements from the director of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, the president of Médicins Sans Frontières, and the president of the Rockefeller Foundation.

The numbers Quick serves up are stupefying. Bill Gates, for instance, has said it is more likely than not that he will live to see a viral outbreak kill over 10 million people in a year. In Gates’s nightmare scenario, outlined by computer simulations created with disease-modelling experts, 33 million people die within 200 days of the first human infection. The potential for exponential spread means a death toll of 300 million is possible in the first year. “We would be in a world where scrappy, ravaged survivors struggle for life in a zombie-movie wasteland,” Quick tells us in his informed, cogent and – honestly – frightening book.

If you can’t imagine what that is like, you could try asking the Yupik people of Alaska, who were devastated by the 1918 Spanish flu. You might not get an answer, however, because they remain traumatised, and have made a pact not to speak about the pandemic that shattered their ancient culture.  (A pandemic is a disease that spreads across continents; an epidemic is usually contained within a country or continent.)They aren’t the only long-term sufferers. The Vanuatu archipelago suffered 90 per cent mortality and 20 of its local languages went extinct. Those in the womb in 1918 were also affected. A baby born in 1919 “was less likely to graduate and earn a reasonable wage, and more likely to go to prison, claim disability benefit, and suffer from heart disease,” reports Laura Spinney in Pale Rider.

Such arresting snippets of the flu’s legacy abound in Spinney’s thoughtful, coherent take on the 1918 outbreak. The book’s subtitle suggests that the Spanish flu changed the world, and Spinney certainly backs this up. Societies broke down and had to be rebuilt; recovering populations were reinvigorated by the simple calculus of Darwin’s “survival of the fittest”; public health provisions were first imagined and then brought into reality; artists and writers responded to a new global mood by establishing new movements.

Not every outcome could be spun as a positive. Scientists, for instance, were humiliated by their inability to halt the flu’s progress, creating an opportunity for quack medicines to arise and establish themselves. Some of our greatest writers lived through the trauma, but could never bring themselves to discuss it in their stories. Virginia Woolf noted that it was “strange indeed that illness has not taken its place with love and battle and jealousy among the prime themes of literature”.

Spinney’s background as a science writer shines through: her handling of the workings of the flu is detailed and deft. She brings both the influenza A virus (the only type responsible for pandemics) and the human immune system to life, laying out the biochemical processes that kill and cure with clarity and care. She exposes the chilling roots of often-used but seldom-explained viral names such as “H1N1” (Spanish flu) or “H5N1” (bird flu). H is for haemagglutinin, the lollipop-shaped appendage that allows a virus to break into a cell and take over the means of production. N is for neuraminidase, the “glass-cutter” structure that allows replicated viruses to break out again and unleash hell upon the host. So far, we know of 18 H’s and 11 N’s and they all have ever-evolving sub-types that make a long-lasting general vaccine against the flu an elusive dream: “Every flu pandemic of the 20th century was triggered by the emergence of a new H in influenza A,” says Spinney.

For all her technical expertise, Spinney has a light touch and a keen eye for the comic. She relates how a ferret sneezing in the face of a British researcher in 1933 exposed influenza’s ability to travel between biological species, for instance. She also excels with the bigger picture, detailing the century of scientific detective work that has allowed us to piece together the genetic elements of the 1918 virus and gain insights into its creation. It seems to have jumped to humans on a farm in Kansas, via domestic and wild birds indigenous to North America. There may also have been some ingredients from pigs, too, but that’s not settled.

Spinney’s afterword questions whether our collective memory for such events ever reflects the truth of the moment. “When the story of the Spanish flu was told, it was told by those who got off most lightly: the white and well off,” she tells us. “With very few exceptions, the ones who bore the brunt of it, those living in ghettoes or at the rim, have yet to tell their tale. Some, such as the minorities whose languages died with them, never will.”

That said, Catharine Arnold has done a remarkable job of relating the tales of a diverse set of sufferers, crafting an arresting and intimate narrative of the 1918 pandemic. She pulls the accounts of hundreds of victims into a gripping tale that swoops down into the grisly detail, then soars up to give a broad view over the landscape of this calamitous moment in human history.

Arnold’s remembrances come from the unknown and from celebrities. A Margery Porter from south London emphasised that “we just couldn’t stand up. Your legs actually gave way, I can’t exaggerate that too much.” John Steinbeck described the experience of infection as almost spiritual. “I went down and down,” he said, “until the wingtips of angels brushed my eyes.”

The reality was, inevitably, less poetic. A local surgeon removed one of Steinbeck’s ribs so that he could gain access to the author’s infected lung. Most victims’ bodies turned blue-black as they died. Healthcare workers reported appalling scenes, with delirious patients suffering horrific nosebleeds. “Sometimes the blood would just shoot across the room,” a navy nurse recalled. If their lungs punctured, the patients’ bodies would fill with air. “You would feel somebody and he would be bubbles… When their lungs collapsed, air was trapped beneath their skin. As we rolled the dead in winding sheets, their bodies crackled – an awful crackling noise with sounded like Rice Krispies when you pour milk over them.”

The killer in 1918 was often not the flu virus itself but the “cytokine storm” of an immune system overreacting to the infection. Strong, fit young people, with their efficient immune systems, were thus particularly at risk, their bodies effectively shutting themselves down. Then there were the ravages of opportunistic bacteria that would lodge in the devastated tissue, causing pneumonia and other fatal complications. Arnold paints a grim but vivid picture of exhausted gravediggers and opportunistic funeral directors cannily upping their prices. The morgues were overflowing, and morticians worked day and night. In the end, mass graves were the only answer for the poverty-stricken workers attempting to bury their loved ones before they, too, succumbed.

No one was spared from grief or suffering at the hands of the “Spanish Lady”, as the flu came to be known. Louis Brownlow, the city commissioner for Washington DC, reported nursing his stricken wife while answering telephone calls from desperate citizens. One woman called to say that of the three girls she shared a room with, two had died, and the third was on her way out. Brownlow sent a police officer to the house. A few hours later, the sergeant reported back from the scene: “Four girls dead.”

Some of the other stories Arnold has unearthed are equally heartbreaking. A Brooklyn boy called Michael Wind wrote of the moment his mother died after less than a day of being ill. He and his five siblings were at her bedside, as was their father, “head in hands, sobbing bitterly”. The following morning, knowing that he was soon to die too, their father took the three youngest children to the orphanage.

Arnold writes beautifully, and starkly, of the tragedy that unfolded in the autumn months of 1918: “the Spanish Lady played out her death march, killing without compunction. She did not discriminate between statesmen, painters, soldiers, poets, writers or brides.” She chronicles the Lady’s path from the United States and Canada through Europe, Africa and Asia, culminating in New Zealand’s “Black November”. The book is utterly absorbing. But how do we respond to its horrors and tragedies? What are we to do with our collective memories of such visceral, world-shattering events? Learn from them – and fast, argues Jonathan Quick.

Unlike Arnold and Spinney, Quick is not content to be a chronicler or a bystander. He is, he says, both terrified at the looming disaster and furious at the lack of high-level reaction to its threat. He is determined to create a movement that will instigate change, mimicking the way activists forced change from governments paralysed by, and pharmaceutical companies profiteering from, the Aids pandemic. Quick has channelled his fury: The End of Epidemics is, at heart, a call to arms against influenza, Ebola, Zika and the many other threats before us.


So what are we to do? First, our leaders need to act like the outbreak has already started – because for all we know it may have. We must strengthen our public health systems, and create robust agencies and NGOs ready to monitor and deal with the threat. We must educate citizens and implement surveillance, prevention and response mechanisms, while fighting misinformation and scaremongering. Governments must step up (and fund) research.

We can’t develop a vaccine until the threat is manifest, but we can prepare technology for fast large-scale production. We can also invest in methods of early diagnoses and virus identification. Invest $1 per person per year for 20 years and the threat will be largely neutralised, Quick suggests. Finally – and most importantly – there is an urgent need to create grass-roots support for these measures: citizen groups and other organisations that will hold their leaders to account and prevent death on a scale that no one alive has ever experienced. Is this achievable? Traumatised readers of Quick’s book will be left hoping that it is.

For all the advances of the last century, there are many unknowns. Scientists don’t know, for instance, which microbe will bring the next pandemic, where it will come from, or whether it will be transmitted through the air, by touch, through body fluids or through a combination of routes.

While there is considerable attention focused on communities in West Africa, East Asia or South America as the most likely source of the next outbreak, it’s worth remembering that most scientists now believe the 1918 influenza outbreak began on a farm in Kansas. Quick suggests the
next pandemic might have a similar geographical origin, thanks to the industrialised livestock facilities beloved by American food giants.

Viruses naturally mutate and evolve rapidly, taking up stray bits of genetic material wherever they can be found. But it’s the various flu strains that live inside animals that bring sleepless nights to those in the know. They can exist inside a pig, bat or chicken without provoking symptoms, but prove devastating if (when) they make the jump to humans. As more and more humans live in close proximity to domesticated animals, encroach on the territories inhabited by wild animals, and grow their food on unprecedented scales, our chance of an uncontrollable epidemic increase.

The meat factories known as “Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations” (CAFOs) are particularly problematic. They provide cheap meat, poultry, dairy and
eggs from animals kept in what Quick terms “concentration camp conditions”, simultaneously creating the perfect breeding ground for new and dangerous pathogens. Pigs, he points out, eat almost everything, so their guts are the perfect mixing bowls for a new and deadly influenza strain. “CAFOs were the birthplace of swine flu, and they could very likely be the birthplace of the next killer pandemic,” Quick warns.

There are other possibilities, though – bioterror, for instance. Bill Gates is among
those who have warned that terrorist groups are looking into the possibility of releasing the smallpox virus in a crowded market, or on a plane. Then there is the possibility of a scientist’s mistake. In 1978 a woman died after smallpox was released from a laboratory at the University of Birmingham, UK. In 2004 two Chinese researchers accidentally infected themselves with the SARS virus and spread it to seven other people, one of whom died. In 2014, a cardboard box full of forgotten vials of smallpox was found in a National Institutes of Health facility in Bethesda, Maryland. A year later, the US military accidentally shipped live anthrax spores to labs in the US and a military base in South Korea. It’s not impossible that human error could strike again – with catastrophic results.

Such possibilities lie behind our discomfort with what scientists have to do to further our understanding. Researchers in Rotterdam, for instance, wanted to know whether the deadly H5N1 bird flu could develop a capacity for airborne transmission like the common cold virus. Having failed to modify its genetics to achieve this, they began to pass an infection between ferrets, the animals whose response to the virus most mimics that of humans. Ten ferrets later, healthy animals were catching the virus from the cage next door. Knowing how easily H5N1 can become airborne is exactly the kind of discovery that will bolster our vigilance. It is, after all, many times more fatal than the H1N1 strain that caused the Spanish flu. At the same time, there was a huge – but understandable –
furore over whether the research should
be published, and thus be available to potential bioterrorists.

We might have to live with such dilemmas, because it is important to be ready to challenge the killer virus when it arrives. As we have seen with Aids and the common cold, developing vaccines takes time, and there is no guarantee of success, even with a concerted research effort.


Will we be ready? Quick suggests that our best chance lies in the world’s business leaders realising what’s at stake: economies would be devastated by the next pandemic. In 1918, Arnold points out, the British government was telling citizens it was their patriotic duty to “carry on” and make sure the wheels of industry kept turning. The result was a perfect environment for mass infection. Political leaders made similar mistakes across the Atlantic: on 12 October President Wilson led a gathering of 25,000 New Yorkers down the “Avenue of the Allies”. “That same week,” Arnold reports, “2,100 New Yorkers died of influenza.”

It’s worth noting that Spanish flu did not abate because we outsmarted it. The pandemic ended because the virus ran out of people it could infect. Of those who didn’t die, some survived through a chance natural immunity, and some were lucky enough to have maintained a physical separation from those carrying the invisible threat. The virus simply failed to kill the rest, enabling their bodies to develop the antibodies required to repel a further attack. A generation or two later, when the antibody-equipped immune systems were in the grave, and humans were immunologically vulnerable (and complacent) once again, H1N1 virus re-emerged, causing the 2009 swine flu outbreak.

As these books make clear, this is a history that could repeat all too easily in our time. Of the three, Pale Rider is perhaps the most satisfying. It has greater complexity and nuance than Arnold’s collection of harrowing tales, fascinating though they are. Spinney’s analysis is more circumspect and thus less paralysing than Quick’s masterful exposition of our precarious situation. But the truth is we need all these perspectives, and probably more, if we are to avoid sleepwalking into the next pandemic. Unlike our nemesis, humans lack focus – and it could be our undoing. 

Michael Brooks’s most recent book is “The Quantum Astrologer’s Handbook” (Scribe)

Pale Rider: The Spanish Flu of 1918 and How it Changed the World
Laura Spinney
Vintage, 352pp, £25

Pandemic 1918: The Story of the Deadliest Influenza in History
Catharine Arnold
Michael O’Mara, 368pp, £20

The End of Epidemics
Jonathan D Quick with Bronwyn Fryer
Scribe, 288pp, £14.99

Michael Brooks holds a PhD in quantum physics. He writes a weekly science column for the New Statesman, and his most recent book is At the Edge of Uncertainty: 11 Discoveries Taking Science by Surprise.