JJJ. There you go again rehearsing the tired old arguments to suit a zio logic which bear no relevance to the facts!!

From a letter to the New York Times by Albert Einstein 4. December 1948:
"Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin's behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement. The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future".
The "movement" referred to by Einstein was the Herut which later morphed into the Likud, party of the current Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, a man know to revel in the company of former terrorists of Begin's Irgun. Hard to believe that there are actually more extreme parties in his coalition and that the country that once invited a man like Einstein to be President is now led by the likes of Netanyahu and Lieberman.

@Caroline Crampton: Perhaps you could come on here and explain what the moderation policy is. On the George Eaton thread in which 11 posts were left and the thread appears disjointed.

However, I would like to express my gratitude that 'Armini us' 's posts have been deleted from that thread. He has nothing to add beyond abuse, antisemitism and inciteful language. It is a disgrace that his posts are up on this thread too.

rather than waste yet more time humiliating the usual suspects, only to see their obscene posts close down the thread, here's my pre-emptive strike;

— CAROLINE CRAMPTON
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I suspect that there are many facets to the story of modern Israel that have never been- perhaps never will be told, but I do believe firmly in that old platitude, 'two wrongs don't make a right'. That Jewry in Europe suffered beyond what is bearable between the early thirties and 1945 is indisputable, but the foundation of a modern state of Israel out of land gained by violence in the Palestinian Mandate has been a festering wound ever since.

Israel has wealthy backers and it seems that they are all happy to play the Holocaust card whenever they are criticised for their abominable treatment of the Palestianians they have made homeless and stateless. With memories of the Nazis' treatment of Jews in Poland and elsewhere, the walls and checkpoints that separate ordinary people in Gaza from the usual commerce of civilised existence, are all the more a scar on the face of Israel- indeed on mankind. 'Never again' may be understandable as a rationale, but one fears that this phrase is losing its moral currency.

As for Einstein, I tend to suspect he was very wise to turn down the offer. We all know that when we have to turn down roles we see as possibly onerous, it is wise to do so in terms that don't denigrate the role. I do wonder what Einstein really thought.

Whoever became President of Israel cannot take away from this central fact: Israel was forced upon and founded on the backs of a third world defenceless population. Some 800,000 Palestinians were forced to flee their homeland. Which ever way ou dress it up, until Israel and its supporters must acknowledge this basic fact.