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Do we need another president for life?

Denis MacShane

Published 02 December 2007

Ex-foreign office minister Denis MacShane gives his analysis of the Venezuelan constitutional referendum and his views on Hugo Chavez

This weekend, the world will see another president for life emerge. A referendum in Venezuela will vote to endorse changes to the nation’s constitution to allow President Hugo Chavez to stand as often as he likes to be president.

Unlike Mexico with its one-term rule or Brazil where a president has to stand down after two terms, Venezuela will now join those countries like Uganda, or the Maldives, or, if he gets his way Musharraf’s Pakistan where the people will enjoy the blessings of living under one leader for the foreseeable future.

Lieutenant-Colonel Hugo Chavez was the last expression of the golpismo – coup d’état – movement of South American militarism.

While the generals had been forced back into their barracks in Brazil after the great metalworkers’ strikes of 1978-1982 led by Lula, or been humiliated in Argentina by British soldiers on the Falklands, Lt Col Chavez saw himself as the man of destiny when he tried to stage a golpe in 1992.

He failed and had to wait a few more years before his chance came again, this time by electoral means. Still today, he wears uniforms as much as civilian clothes. Like his hero, Fidel Castro, his leadership is sartorially expressed by dressing up as a soldier and commandante, rather than the wearing the attire of civilian democracy.

What then should we make of Chavez? He is today’s idol for a global left that is looking for new bearings. Hagiographic biographies of him have appeared in several languages. For the British writers tired of the stubborn, patient search for a workable social democracy by a Cardoso in Brazil or a Lagos in Chile, the excitement and revolutionary rhetoric of a Chavez is thrilling to focus on.

To submit Chavez to the same critical analysis that other leaders have to put up with is to produce instant denunciations from those who search for the shining path to socialism in Latin America.

Probably Gabriel Garcia Marquez got it right when he wrote that there are ‘two Chavezes’. One might perform wonders for Venezuela. The other was ‘just another despot.’

For Gaba, whose left credentials are unchallenged to describe Chavez in such Jekyll and Hyde terms shows the deep doubts across the Latin American left and intellectual world about the Venezuelan president’s credentials and ambitions.

In the 19 November edition of Libération, the French left daily paper, sixty mainly Latin American intellectuals, writers, journalists and political activists, published an open letter critical of Chavez.

They argued that this weekend’s referendum would ‘abolish all controls on the powers of the state and the actions of the executive’. They further alleged that Chavez was spending a fortune on arms expenditure instead of using the golden showers of oil wealth Venezuela enjoys to develop a balanced economy based on sustainable development. The authors also claimed that Chavez was setting up his own private army, an armed militia that exceeded the size of the nation’s armed forces.

Naturally, not a word of this cry of alarm was published in the British media. Newspaper coverage of Latin America, other than in the Economist is a joke. The New Statesman, to its credit, has published reports on Venezuela which have been both supportive and critical of Chavez.

The most recent (published 15th November) showed a picture of a gunman on the back of a motorbike firing shots at students demonstrating for democracy in Caracas. As with the Mexican students in 1968, or other students movements over the years, the young men and women of Caracas are taking a huge risk in expressing concern about the slow death of democracy in Venezuela.

It does not have to be like this. Chavez presents no threat to capitalism in Venezuela. Businessmen are doing very well.

Like China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Nigeria we are witnessing the arrival of unrestrained market economics fusing with centralised state power.

Chavez’s oil populism allows him to hand out money to the poor. In past eras of high oil prices, notably under Carlos Andres Perez (CAP) in the 1980s, a populist president acted charitably.

CAP was a hero of the global left and the international trade union movement as he supported the Venezuelan corporatist trade unions, especially the union controlling the country’s petrol industry.

In 2002, Chavez smashed the union to take full state authority over the oil industry and installed military trusties in key sectors of the economy and civil society.

It was this assault on a trade union which forced the trade union bosses into an alliance against nature with elements of the Venezuelan right that launched the abortive coup in April 2002.

I was in Caracas in the days before the coup in my then capacity as the FCO minister responsible for Latin America. The tension was palpable.

The streets were full of pro and anti-Chavez demonstrations. It was impossible to sleep at night as women lent out of their windows banging saucepans to express discontent. In the first years of Chavez’s rule, before the post-Iraq invasion oil price spike gave him more money to spend than any leader in Latin America has ever enjoyed, Chavez’s economic rule was unsteady. Poverty actually increased and growth slowed.

Since then of course Chavez has been oil rich and some of that income has found its way to the poor. Other countries like Brazil or Chile have made bigger strides in combating poverty and done so without the oil windfalls Chavez has enjoyed.

Chavez is lucky in having one of the most arrogant, elitist, disconnected rightist oppositions that it is possible to imagine.

There are some exceptions like Teodoro Petkoff, a trained Marxist now editor of Tal Cual, but for the most part the right-wing press and opposition are boorish, arrogant and unworthy of support.

Nevertheless in 2002 they came together to do to Chavez what Chavez had done ten years previously – organise a golpe against the elected government of Venezuela. I had spent hours late at night in Miraflores , the presidential residence in the heart of Caracas, speaking to Chavez.

He claimed to be a supporter of Tony Blair and a fan of New Labour. The Labour government had gone out of its way to encourage Chavez, organising high level visits to London in 2001, in the hope that he would become an effective partner of the EU and Britain in a Latin America which needs to build bridges across the Atlantic in place of the region’s fatalistic obsession with the United States.

Other than the rightist government of Aznar in Spain there was no anti-Chavez feeling in any EU government. On the contrary, Britain invested in Chavez with John Prescott laying out a red carpet to greet him and in my 18 months as Minister for Latin America I detected no hostility to Chavez from British politicians or diplomats. The sentiment was rather one of curiosity at how this charismatic but politically unclear leader would develop.

I think Chavez was happy to meet a European politician with enough Spanish to listen to his views. We finished our talk towards midnight. He signed and gave me a copy of a biography of Bolivar. I gave him one of the wind-up radios invented in Britain. I wonder if he still has it? I left for the UN in New York when news arrived of the coup.

I put out a statement calling for a return of democracy in Venezuela. Britain was the only country to react this way. Other government bided their time to await the outcome of the coup.

Chavez now calls Aznar a fascist which is a silly, inaccurate insult unless we call every conservative a fascist. He says the US was behind the 2002 coup. All I know is that there was a planned naval exercise between the US Navy and the Venezuelan navy due to take place in the week of the coup. Against the protests of the US Navy who had spent $1 billion organising their biggest southern Atlantic exercise in years, the US State Department ordered that the exercise be cancelled. In the build up to Iraq, Washington could not afford, want or need accusation of supporting golpes in Latin America.

As a minister I was a useless civil servant. I wrote an article for The Times in which I described Chavez as a demagogue. I also said I was confident he would come back to power but sub-editors on The Times cut out that prophesy. Since then the uncritical Chavez worshippers have tried to paint me as some dark agent connected to the coup. If only. I was not sure of the man but I was clear democracy should be upheld in Venezuela.

Since then, like many, I have been tracking Chavez, more through the Spanish press than the useless puff or hate pieces written about him in the English media.

Michael Reid’s new book, ‘Forgotten Continent’ (Yale University Press) has a clear and objective chapter on Chavez. Reid is the Economist’s long-standing Latin America editor.

The 20 November edition of Le Monde, had a powerful editorial of concern about Chavez. ‘The concentration of power in his hands, the absence of dialogue with the opposition, the denunciation of the student movement as ‘facist’, the green light given to armed gangs, in short the militarization of political life is matched by unparalleled corruption’ the paper declared. Le Monde is no fan of the United States but its judgement cannot be ignored.

On the international scene, Chavez has embraced Robert Mugabe and told Belarus’ dictator, Lukashenko, that he is right to put down the democratic opposition in Minsk.

He has made five high profile visits to Teheran and calls Iran’s Jew-hating, gay-hanging, nuke obsessed president Ahmadinejad ‘my brother’.

There have been unpleasant outbursts of anti-semitism in the Venezuelan press and Chavez himself has made remarks which have frightened the Jewish community in Latin America.

So inefficient is Chavez’s economic management that the country has to import most of its requirement.

Petrol is a few cents a gallon as Chavez refuses any environmental politics that would lessen dependence on oil. At some stage, the uncritical admirers and promoters of Chavez will have to adjust to reality.

He is not yet a dictator like Castro, locking up poets and journalists and throwing away the keys. There is an opposition press. Elections are held and Chavez wins just as he will win the referendum this weekend. 20th century dictators are old hat.

This century we have Mugabes, and Lukashenkos, and Musavenis, and Putins, and Musharrafs, and now Chavez who cannot give up power. We need an adequate political science to describe this new type of populist, authoritarian but elected leader. Whether it is a direction the world left should go is for all of us to decide.

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22 comments from readers

coeus
02 December 2007 at 09:53

You have to be kidding me. "Venezuela will now join those countries like Uganda, or the Maldives, or, if he gets his way Musharraf’s Pakistan where the people will enjoy the blessings of living under one leader for the foreseeable future."

Umm, what about France? Last time I checked, they didn't have presidential term limits either. What about the UK's Prime Minister? Does he have term limits? Was this article written for the incredibly stupid who wouldn't even notice that their own country has no limits?

Richard Cheeseman
02 December 2007 at 11:51

Mr MacShane, do "we" need another dictator-for-a-day? Your role as UK local Chavez-vilifier for the coup against Venezuelan democracy was noted. You can't blame sub-editors for your decision to support the coup by leaping into print to deride President Chavez's democratic credentials while he was illegally detained. You are nothing but a shill for imperialism with no credibility as a democrat whatever.

coeus
02 December 2007 at 12:25

Here are some corrections I am offering for your poorly written hit-piece.

a) They are not voting on changes that will allow Chavez to "stand as often as he likes to be president". They are eliminating presidential term limits so that ANYONE can run as often as they want, not just Chavez. You won't find term limits France, UK, Australia, Spain, Portugal, Canada, etc.

b) I seriously question the credibility of those "intellectuals" in Latin America. Venezuela military expenditures as % of the GDP is roughly the average in Latin America (1.3%), where Colombia, Chile, Brazil, Ecuador, Uruguay, Peru, and Bolivia all spend more as a % of their GDP. Futhermore, the average military spending under the Chavez government in the last 6 years is LOWER than the average military spending in 6 years of the previous Venezuelan government. You can check the SIPRI military expenditures database to confirm. I wonder whether the political activists claiming he's spending more on the military even bothered to check the real figures. There is also no private militia. The constitution simply redefines the role of the Venezuelan military reserves as a National Bolivarian Militia for national defense purposes such as drug trafficking.

c) Newspaper coverage of Latin America is a joke. You're right. For example, this article is full of inaccuracies. Much like the example you give about the picture of a pro-Chavez gunman firing shots at students. It is now known that the gunman was helping pro-Chavez students escape from a building they had barricaded themselves in from the opposition protesters, as reported by the Wall Street Journal on November 23rd. Despite this, you have chose to ignore it in order to paint the pro-Chavez supporters as thugs. Chavez has time and time again asked for peaceful protests from the opposition and his supporters. The same cannot be said about their opposition, which in a new video released clearly reveals Alejendra Esclusa and Leopoldo Lopez calling for destabilization of the country.

What's also a joke is you and other newspapers equating presidential term limits with "Chavez as president for life". No presidential term limits means ANY president can run as many times as they want for re-election, it does NOT mean Chavez will be president for life. He would still need to get re-elected several times for that to ever happen. Furthermore he would have to defeat any potential recall referendum. Papers also fail to mention the many industrialized democracies with no term limits on their presidents or prime ministers. You are no exception.

d) Brazil and Chile have NOT made bigger strides. Yes, Venezuela has enjoyed high oil prices, but they suffered a natural disaster in 1999, 2002 coup d'etat, 2002 oil strike, and the 2004 recall referendum, which had an impact on their economy. Despite these 4 events, Venezuela was only behind Argentina in poverty and extreme poverty reduction between 2002 - 2006 according to ECLAC.

e) There's a difference between Chavez's coup d'etat in 1992 and the coup in 2002 by the opposition. For one, Chavez GAINED popularity after his coup attempt because people were fed up with the ancien regime. It was only 3 years after Caracazo. In fact, Caldera partly won the presidency by promising to release Chavez from prison and by 1998 we know that Chavez won a clear majority. The opposite can be said about the coup in 2002. It was against a popular leader (Chavez) and the opposition only damaged their reputation. In the 2006 elections, the opposition suffered an even larger defeat.

f) Calling Aznar a fascist isn't completely inaccurate. He didn't call him a fascist because he's conservative. He called him a fascist because Aznar WAS a member of the fascist party under Franco. The PP, the party Aznar now belongs to, was founded by a fascist, Fraga Iribane (former Interior minister under the Franco regime and has publicly stated his admiration for Franco), and is currently the PP president. I suggest you read "The Case of Mr. Aznar, Friend of Bush" by Vincente Navarro who explains Aznar's past and his connections to the Franco fascist regime.

g) Are you seriously going to paint Chavez as an anti-Semite or suggest such a thing? It's easy to slander without any evidence.

f) Your comparison of Chavez to the authoritarians is ridiculous. Chavez wins in SPITE of a very vocal opposition media. Chavez and the constitution he put forward in 1999 guarantees citizen initiated referenda.

"and now Chavez who cannot give up power"

Give up power??? Who's asking him to give up power? Chavez was elected into power and you're saying he "cannot give it up" as if he's holding on to it despite the majority of the Venezuelan electorate. The people elected him into power... that's not something for him to "give up". This is absurd. Chavez is proposing the elimination of presidential term limits. It's the Venezuelan electorate that decides if they want this or not. It's the Venezuelan electorate that decides if they want to re-elect Chavez or not. It's the Venezuelan electorate that decides when Chavez should give up his power.. not YOU!

Calvin Tucker
02 December 2007 at 12:37

If Denis MacShane had volunteered to step down as a British MP after serving two terms, we wouldn't have to endure the nonsense he has written here. Isn't it about time someone, anyone, told MacShane to "shut up"?

1. Chavez is not going to be a "president-for-life". Whatever the outcome of the constitutional referendum, Chavez will remain subject to regular elections. Why is the New Statesman deliberately deceiving its readers?

2. If Venezuela removes term limits, this would bring the country in line with the dictatorships of France, Australia and Britain.

3. Despite having quasi-presidential powers, the British prime minister has no countrywide electoral mandate, was anointed as Labour Party leader in an uncontested internal party election, and then appointed as PM by a Queen. See, two can play at this game.

4. Contrary to what MacShane says, the US did indeed support and welcome the military coup against Chavez. The official White House spokesman, Ari Fleicher, not only recognised the short lived dictatorship, but described the coup as a "triumph for democracy" and assured the world that "now the situation will be one of democracy and tranquillity". Is MacShane, a former Foreign Office minister, really this misinformed?

5. MacShane praises previous president and corrupt thief Carlos Andres Perez for being "charitable" towards the poor. His charity extended to massacring 2,000 unarmed civilians who protested his neo-liberal reforms in 1989. The bodies were secretly buried in mass graves.

6. Chavez's 1992 "coup" followed this massacre. If Tony Blair had ordered the murder of 2,000 anti-war or Countryside Alliance protesters, perhaps even MacShane might accept that a rebellion could be justified.

7. When Chavez was kidnapped at gunpoint during the coup, MacShane published an article comparing the imprisoned president to Mussolini and describing him as a "ranting populist demagogue". This is an odd way for the British Foreign Office to show its support for democracy, to say the least

8. MacShane claims that Chavez gunmen were pictured shooting at peaceful opposition student demonstrators. What MacShane omits to mention is that these same opposition students had laid siege to a university compound, and tried to burn down the building with the terrified staff and students trapped inside. The truly shocking video of the events can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUhjGZLbb4o&eurl=http://oilwars.blogspot.com/2007_11_04_archive.html

9. The "oil union" was not "smashed" by Chavez. The board of the state owned oil company, together with the boards of McDonalds hamburgers and the boards of other big businesses had organised a political "strike" to crash the economy and bring down the elected government. Blue collar workers rejected this "strike" and where possible carried on working in defiance of their managements. Ronald McDonald is as much a champion of workers’ rights as Denis MacShane is of the truth.

10. MacShane castigates Venezuela's relationship with fellow OPEC member Iran and makes a big show about Iran's oppression of gays, whilst neglecting to mention Britain's relationship with that paragon of democracy and human rights Saudi Arabia. Venezuela's proposed new constitution, which has MacShane frothing at the mouth, guarantees for the first time ever equality for Lesbians, gays and transgender people.

11. Oil has always cost a few cents a gallon in Venezuela, and MacShane never complained before. Chavez is taking environmental issues seriously, and is swapping oil for London's expertise in city planning and reducing carbon emissions. See this article by the head of Britain's Green Party: http://21stcenturysocialism.com/article/green_venezuela_0145...

12. "So inefficient is Chavez's economic policies...", says MacShane. In fact, Venezuela has sustained economic growth under Chavez of around 10% per year. MacShane praises the 'Economist' for their coverage of Venezuela. Why doesn't he read the economic data they publish before he makes his unsubstantiated allegations?

13. MacShane accuses Chavez of pandering to anti-Semitism. The Confederation of Jewish Associations of Venezuela rejects these smears. They said: "We believe the president was not talking about Jews," their letter to the Wiesenthal Center stated, complaining that "you have acted on your own, without consulting us, on issues that you don't know or understand." Their comments could apply equally well to Mr MacShane.

14. "Chavez is lucky in having one of the most arrogant, elitist, disconnected rightist oppositions that it is possible to imagine." - says MacShane. Indeed they do Denis, indeed they do.

15. To paraphrase MacShane: We need an adequate political word to describe this new type of Labour politician who lies, fabricates and distorts reality on behalf of the USA and the Latin American oligarchs. Any suggestions?

Calvin Tucker

Co-editor http://21stcenturysocialism.com

Guardian blog: http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/calvin_tucker/

Tom Paine
02 December 2007 at 13:27

Well done Denis. A credible case for why you should never again be given a ministerial job.

john green
02 December 2007 at 13:29

McShane, unsurprisingly, is but one of the latest batch of so-called leftists to jump on the anti-Chavez bandwagon. You can see clearly his prejudice when he compares the proposed amendment to the Venezuelan constitution (which would allow presidents to stand for continued terms) with Uganda and The Maldives. What about making a comparison nearer to home - Britain - where a prime minister can stand as often as he wishes. Chavez is demanding nothing more. His pejorative characterisation of Cahvez as a 'Golpista' because he once instigated a coup against a corrupt oligarchy, but has since been democratically elected over and over again.

Mc Shane has no credentials to pontificate about Latin America other than his slavish adehernce to US foreign policy.

roy ormond
02 December 2007 at 14:39

Poor Denis - cannot get a job with Gordon. Cannot believe that he is too right!

The people in Venezuela,like many folk around the world have a right to democracy without US intervention .Reminded of old song from the '50's -'Go home Yankee, ...... we don't want the way of life you.'

sell..'

How many millions have died and continue to die for opposing the Cola Road?

Stated Newman
02 December 2007 at 16:14

Mr Machshane seems keener to retropsecitvely justify his support for the coup (oops, it was actually those pesky subs who did that was it?) with this piece riddled with errors. The most important ones have already been pointed out. Just to clear up a few more.

Even though anti-Bolivarian media love to use pictures of Chavez in military gear he very rarely now appears this way. When I lived in Venezuela 2005-06 he appeared maybe only two or three times dressed in his old uniform and it was then a matter of comment when he did exactly as it had become so rare. Otherwise it was red shirt or some sort of snazzy blazer t-shirt combo.

Also when Mr Macshane says Chavez's credentials have to be disregarded because of the 92 coup the same doesn't seem to apply to Teodoro Petkoff. Mr Macshane describes him as a "trained marxist", if he means trained to kill he's dead right as Petkoff was a guerrilla who used to brag about those he'd gunned down as part of the struggle. Besides that Mr. Petkoff was also a reknowned control freak while negotiating privatisations as Planning Minister under the pro-IMF, neo-liberal government of Caldera. He was known to call up journalists and threaten them if they didn't write what he liked. This is the Left-wing champion of free speech that Mr Macshane holds up?

Does New Statesman keep publishing these anti-Chavez pieces about Venezuela because it knows it will whip up more interest as its coming from a nominally left mag? If so it's a shame. For the sake of a false balance on these issues NS is quietly contributing to a global campaign of media disinformation which could lead to terrible consequences for Venezuela in the future.

johnwest
02 December 2007 at 17:02

You don't have to be a pro-Chavez goon to see this is a shockingly researched and witless article written by someone who hasn't a clue. Why does McShane get published so regularly in the NS and the Guardian? It beats me...

johnwest
02 December 2007 at 17:03

Sorry - MacShane, not 'Mc' - where are decent subs when you need them?...

IsThatcherDeadYet
02 December 2007 at 17:34

Matyjaszek's usual Neo con drivel, get back to Washington.

JimmyJames
02 December 2007 at 17:44

McShane is a hypocrite. He is basically an appeaser of all the warmongering we have seen in the last ten years. He was silent when Israel launched its brutal bombing campaign against Lebanon last year. He stridently supports the Albanian mafia in Kosovo (but opposes the rights of Abkhazia in the Caucasus). Chavez has genuine popular support among Venezuela's poor (the majority). The Venezuelan president is disliked because of his popularity among the poor throughout the region. McShane is against anyone who challenges the neo con agenda

Middle East
02 December 2007 at 17:53

Brilliant comments so far! Actually, how urgent it is the Middle East threw up a leader like Chavez despite his mistakes. I don't agree with Chavez praising Ahmadinejad when he met Tehran Khoro workers, for example, and calling him revolutionary. But I support every step he takes towards a workers' democracy and against capitalism and imperialism.

Middle East
02 December 2007 at 17:56

It's a pity that these comments do not appear in NS's print edition.

luiscast7
02 December 2007 at 18:35

This is so far the most accurate and well written article about Chavez I have found in the media. I have been writing my opinion about Chavez and some other articles written for this publication. I consider my self a leftist person, I understand why people voted for Chavez in the first place. Venezuela was a mess then. Unfortunately, It is a much worse mess now with the population seriously divided over the president. It is not a rich-poor struggle anymore (at least not in the traditional sense) now we have the new rich (chavistas with power) and some extremely poor that were given a voice in this system (a voice, but nothing else).

I am Venezuelan, lucky enough to be in Serbia when Milosevic was in power. I saw the crowds supporting his nationalist agenda, and then able to see the same people overthrow him years later. Venezuela is going through a very similar situation.

For those European leftists, shame on you! It is easy to support a revolution from your coffee houses in Europe without having to feel the effects of the despotic policies that Chavez is placing on everyone. There is no dialogue in Venezuela thanks to him, but again, you dont deal with that on a daily basis. Open your eyes and start really working towards the real ideals of socialism: Social justice and room to growth for everyone.

1shmael
02 December 2007 at 18:54

Denis MacShane, in your article above you claim that:

"Other than the rightist government of Aznar in Spain there was no anti-Chavez feeling in any EU government... as Minister for Latin America I detected no hostility to Chavez from British politicians or diplomats."

Most pecular that you did not detect your own statements. During the 2002 coup, you wrote in The Times that Hugo Chavez had become “a ranting populist demagogue”, who waved “his arms up and down like Mussolini.”

Which suggests a detectable level of hostility, does it not?

You claim that the sub-editors at The Times cut out your "prophesy" that Chavez would return. One notes that you do not claim that the sub-editors made up your comparison of Chavez with Mussolini- instead you just fail to mention it in your article.

Further. Your article states that: "Chavez’s oil populism allows him to hand out money to the poor."

The use of the phrase "hand out" is telling. It carries the connotation that the use of the country's wealth to improve the lives of the majority, through better health services, education, housing, infrastructure and incomes, is some kind of undeserved largesse.

When "oil money" is channeled to the rich elite and transnational corporations, it is not usual to refer to it as a "hand out".

Denis MacShane? Denis MacShame, more like it.

NB- there's a nice article by Charles Hardy about the Iberoamerican Summit 'spat' here, at:

adam63
03 December 2007 at 05:31

I would just like to say that the comments posted in response to Mr. MacShane's article justify, all by themselves, the invention of the Internet. The evasions and outright falsifications in the original piece have been exposed not just to public scrutiny, but to public response. The effect has been withering, to say the least. Special kudos to "coeus," who should be editing this bloody magazine.

adam63
03 December 2007 at 06:25

P.S.: This just in:

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"Don't feel sad," Chavez urged supporters ... "To those who voted against my proposal, I thank them and congratulate them," Chavez said. But he also urged calm and restraint. "I ask all of you to go home, know how to handle your victory," Chavez said. "You won it. I wouldn't have wanted that Pyrrhic victory." Yet he made it clear he would remain a formidable foe. Echoing words he spoke when as an army officer he was captured and jailed for leading a failed 1992 coup, he said: "For now, we couldn't."

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Dictatorial bastard!

coeus
03 December 2007 at 06:54

Haha, thank you Adam. Despite the loss, it was a great day for democracy in Venezuela.

Pierre
03 December 2007 at 14:00

It's not the length of time you are there , it's the damage you do while you are there.

Our recent history indicates that 8/12 years can be a lifetime of agony, corruption and waste .

Matthew A. Sawtell
03 December 2007 at 17:56

Well folks - it looks like o' Hugo had a stumbling block on his way to becoming king - wiht the 51-49% vote for No. Either he can take this as a sign that he has limits - or a sign he needs to do a purge. If history has been any indictation - it is going to be a very bloody few months in Venezuela.

coeus
05 December 2007 at 03:20

Matthew A. Sawtell,

What an idiotic statement. Dictators don't purge because they didn't get their way in an election, dictators don't have elections! Or at the very least, they fix elections. And since when did no term limits makes a leader king? Do elections not count? Is Sarkozy the king of France?

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