“I admire a lot of what Arthur Scargill did”
Mark Serwotka is ready to lead his union into battle on 30 June. And he’s not afraid to invoke the Tories’ favourite bogeyman.
By Mehdi Hasan Published 23 June 2011The first thing that strikes you about Mark Serwotka is how mild-mannered and reasonable he seems. Born in Cardiff in 1963 and raised in the valleys after being adopted from a Catholic orphanage, he speaks with a soft Welsh accent and comes across as a calm and intelligent man. Yet critics have described the leader of the Public and Commercial Services Union (PCS) as the "most ideologically driven and politically asinine of the union top brass" (Independent) and an "unreconstructed Trotskyite" (Sunday Times). At a recent meeting of union leaders, Brendan Barber, general secretary of the Trades Union Congress (TUC), called him a "fundamentalist".
On 15 June, Serwotka's union voted to go on strike over proposed reforms to public-sector pensions, joining teachers' unions including the National Union of Teachers, the Association of Teachers and Lecturers and the University and College Union, which had agreed on a mass walkout at the end of the month. With up to 750,000 teachers, lecturers, civil servants and public-sector workers ready to take co-ordinated action, 30 June could be the biggest day of strikes in years.
So is Serwotka the new Arthur Scargill, intent on waging war with the government? He describes himself as a "radical socialist". Is he a Marxist? He hesitates. "Am I a Marxist? Hmm." Another pause. "I was in a Trotskyist organisation when I was younger - the Socialist Organiser - but only briefly. I was influenced by Marxism but I've never been doctrinaire."
In recent years, he has "flirted" with various left-wing parties, including George Galloway's Respect, and he voted for the Green Party in the last general election. But in the local elections this year, he spoiled his ballot paper. "I've never subscribed to the lesser-evil-ism of modern politics," he explains. "Growing up in Wales, it was Labour, Labour, Labour. But [since] its move rightwards and embrace of the markets, Labour doesn't speak for me."
Serwotka dropped out of school at the age of 16 and became a civil service benefits clerk. He asked to join the union on his first day. Within a month, he was on the branch committee. "I have always believed that unions are very important," he says. "I guess it's something rooted in the way I was brought up."
He was elected general secretary of PCS in November 2000, defeating the Blairite incumbent Barry Reamsbottom (who initially refused to accept the result). One of Serwotka's campaign pledges was that he would refuse to take a full wage, yet his salary in 2009 was £86,244. "The union's executive voted not to allow me to have a lower rate of pay, as it affects collective bargaining," Serwotka says, before reminding me that, since 2001, he has donated £80,000 out of his wages to the union's hardship fund. "I don't think any other union leader has given that amount of money," he says. "But I admit that I am incredibly well recompensed compared to the people I represent."
Those 300,000 people who make up the country's fifth-largest trade union work in a range of government departments and include benefits officers, tax inspectors and court clerks. Serwotka describes the government's plans to force his members to "work longer, pay more and get less" as "naked deficit reduction" and a "tax on public-sector workers".
He makes it clear that the PCS ballot was about jobs and pay as well as pensions. His union claims that 100,000 jobs are at risk. "The pensions issue," he says, "was just the vehicle that allowed for legal, co-ordinated strikes with the teachers' unions. If we are defeated on pensions, it makes it a lot easier to cut the jobs and services but if we can fight back, then the ability for that resistance to broaden out shouldn't be underestimated."
Bubble boys
Serwotka is confident and well informed. When I ask about rising public-sector pension costs, he points to page 22 of the March 2011 report by the former Labour cabinet minister John Hutton (which forms the basis of the coalition's plans on pensions) and states that payments will "fall gradually to around 1.4 per cent of gross domestic product in 2059-2060, after peaking at 1.9 per cent of GDP in 2010-2011".
What about the accusation that the strike has limited support inside his union? The turnout in the ballot was only 32 per cent, so the 61 per cent who voted in favour represents just one in five members. "I wish the turnout was higher, but if the coalition wanted a higher turnout, they'd make it easier to vote, not harder. Why can't we have internet voting, telephone voting and secret balloting in the workplace under supervised conditions?"
As for Hutton's argument that we have to "face up to the financial consequences" of living longer, Serwotka cites Work, Stress and Health: the Whitehall II Study, published by the Cabinet Office in 2004, which shows how workers in the lowest civil service employment grades were much more likely to die prematurely than those in the highest grades. "How can you ask people to work for 50 years," he says, "if, as in my case, they left school at 16?"
He says that he is prepared to accept Hutton's recommendation for a public service pension scheme based on career-average earnings rather than final salaries - his union agreed to career averaging for new entrants in 2005 - but there is a condition: "We're up for negotiating on career averaging if it is based on the same costs and not based on driving the costs down."
Does he have a bottom line? "No one should have to pay any extra money unless their pension scheme valuation deems it necessary; there should be no central increase in the pension age and the government should be prepared to negotiate the inflation-indexing of pensions." But Serwotka doesn't believe that coalition ministers are interested in negotiations. He points to a speech made by the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Danny Alexander, on 17 June, which announced detailed plans to increase pension contributions - and the working age - for millions of public-sector workers, all without the agreement of unions.
Didn't the PCS pre-empt the outcome of negotiations by calling a strike two days before Alexander's intervention? Serwotka shakes his head. "They have already changed pensions from RPI [Retail Prices Index] to CPI [Consumer Prices Index], reducing the value by 15 per cent. They have already announced contribution increases - in the Spending Review - so we're striking because of the things that they've already done and are already happening."
So, what happens to negotiations? He insists that, without strikes, the chances of the unions' negotiations with the government being successful are "nil".
“I always take the view in negotiations that if they don't see anyone putting pressure on them, there's no pressure to concede," he says. "I think the 30 June strike action will show that people are not prepared to accept the changes and one of two things will happen: ministers will decide, 'We have to see them off,' and harden their position, or they'll say, 'All right, then, we're going to be a bit more meaningful about our discussions.'"
Serwotka predicts a bleak future for industrial relations in the UK. "After 30 June, we will be having more strikes, department by department, against specific job cuts. In essence, we see 30 June as a political event - about mass mobilisation to put pressure on the government. The strikes in departments will be about making those departments and ministers feel the consequences of cutting jobs."
He views the coalition government as right-wing, cynical and cruel. "They've used the economic woes as cover to do things that some of them have been dreaming about for years. It is class warfare; it is about shrinking the state, shrinking welfare and taking on the unions."
Does he believe that ministers are indifferent to the fate of his members and that of other public-sector workers? "I don't think they give a shit," he says. "People who have lived in a bubble of privilege all their lives have no concept of what ordinary life is like." What about the Labour Party? Unlike the four big unions - Unite, Unison, GMB and the Communication Workers Union - PCS is not affiliated with Labour. "I think Ed Balls is becoming more combative," Serwotka says. "He has moved leftwards since he left government." He seems less keen, however, on the Labour leader. "For me, Ed Miliband has been disappointing. He's not confident or robust enough."
Fight club
Is Serwotka walking into a Tory trap, giving the Chancellor, George Osborne, the confrontation that he wants that will divert attention from a failing economy (as Balls, among others, has suggested)? He shrugs. "I think it's very easy to talk yourself out of doing anything. Not doing anything means defeat and it invites more aggression." He admits that his militant approach has put most of his fellow union leaders "on the spot" - especially after the TUC march and rally on 26 March, which "was brilliant", but "didn't save a single job or service". Many activists in other unions, he claims, are asking: "Why aren't we doing any of this?"
Serwotka prefers not to use the language of "general strikes" or to hark back to the miners' strike as Unison's general secretary, Dave Prentis, did in a newspaper interview on 18 June. Nonetheless, he predicts that Britain is on course for the "biggest strikes, in terms of numbers, in decades".
“The only reason I don't use the phrase 'general strike'," he says, "is that I think what you say should have a clear resonance and should be deliverable. And it is deliverable to have co-ordinated strikes involving millions."
He believes that these mass strikes will be ongoing in a year's time - "I think they will grow incrementally" - and says it is "possible" that they will continue throughout this parliament. "The difference between us and the miners is that, in an all-out strike, there was a demonstrable point where you won or lost, but what we're doing is rolling, and much more political. This is not about bringing employers to their knees but about forcing the government to back down on cuts."
Yet is he in danger of meeting the same fate as Scargill, who picked a fight with a Conservative-led government that he couldn't win? "I admire a lot of what Scargill did," Serwotka says. "I don't share his politics but I admire the bravery of the National Union of Mineworkers leadership and I have no doubt that they were right to do what they did."
But they lost, I point out. "I don't take the view that we can't win," he says.
He ends with a very personal and combative message for the government - and, perhaps, for his fellow union leaders, too. "My father once said to me: 'If you fight in life, you're not guaranteed to win. But if you never fight, you lose every time.'"
Mehdi Hasan is senior editor (politics) of the NS
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26 comments
@Roger M respond to what the man said " I admire a lot of what Scargill did, I don't agreee with his politics. I admire the bravery...."
Scargill's predictions for government plans for wholesale pit closures were proved correct....British pits were closed and coal was then bought from uneconomic subsidised Polish mines. Because the Polish government took the view that it was better to pay miners to mine coal than to pay them to do nothing on the dole
I have worked for 37 years in the private sector with the ups and downs of defined contribution schemes, recessions, drops in share prices etc. Now aged 55 I have had to seriously up my pensions contributions from my net pay to ensure that I also enjoy a reasonable standard of living at age 65. The company I now work for has recently demolished the defined benefit scheme ( That I was not eligible to join) because of austerity requirements with many 00's of staff forced to leave the scheme and the company. If I have to be responsible for my future in a changing financial market then why are not public sector workers? I cant strike to get what I want I just have to change my spending habits.
@martin L, I am in the civil service ( DWP, specifically jobcentre plus) and i cant just leave as there are very few jobs, unless you want to work part time shifts cleaning or in a call centre. I am curious to know what grade you are as more senior management grades are treated extremely well, unfortunately admin grades are treated like shit. i suspect I know what you are.
@Rob, the fact that private companies treat their employees abominably with regard to pensions ( something facilitated by Thatcher when she basically changed the law to allow companies to do whatever the hell they liked regarding pensions and pension funds), does not mean everyone else should too. You also forget that public sector workers do not get big bonuses and have for many years been lower paid than the private sector.
Equality of misery is not the answer and as a civil servant on less than 20 k a year, as are over 50% of staff in DWP, the only reason we put up with the stress and low pay is our pension. And before anyone says the public sector have it easy i work with ex private sector workers who say that the bullying and harrassment of staff for targets where i work is like nothing they have ever experienced in the private sector.
EVERY single person i have spoken to is going to come out of the pension scheme if the government increases contributions as they quite literally do not have the spare money to pay even an extra few ppunds a month. Some staff stand to lose over 100 thousand pounds. Why should the low paid have to contribute that much to these ideologocally driven austerity measures when the rich pay sweet fa?
It is grossly unfair and we will not stand for it. I am quite prepared to compromise but what the government want to do is nothing less than bashing the poor for ideological reasons to save money to put in the pockets of the wealthy.
They have already made it clear they will not negotiate so we have to strike and we will keep striking until they realise that they have to compromise.
"I think it's very easy to talk yourself out of doing anything. Not doing anything means defeat and it invites more aggression."
This depends on one's position and how it may be understood, surely. This idea of keep doing or moving - or else somebody will pick on you is understandable - given some of the more preposterous and pretentious affectations associated with so-called executive effects - but fear is no reason to do or move anything , I think.
It's better to find the best position ie the one with the best view and then freely tell everyone concerned what it's like. This is the best way of leadership, probably.
"My father once said to me: 'If you fight in life, you're not guaranteed to win. But if you never fight, you lose every time."
My father and my elder sisters who were lucky enough to leave school and easily found factory work by the age of fifteen, all used to come home and say "make way for the workers".
Personally I think these ideas have reached the end of their useful life here in the UK where, thanks to the hard earned rights already won by millions of fighters and workers - we can and should be looking at personal improvement of the work/life balance in whole terms ie as equal stakeholders, with or without a contract.But of course other countries may be in a different situation to the UK in terms of governance. Even so with all this IT in the world we can surely now make way for the weakest too, please.(eg time and space to raise concerns)
-But not at the expense of citizens understanding and using the basic principles of individual privacy, dignity and autonomy. It seems to me people who spend their lives fighting or looking for others who want to do the same deprive themselves and each other of these most valuable assets of liberty.
- Sometime it's best to keep things in the heart, for the purposes of further personal critical reflection on and without privacy this simply isn't possible. Then of course if one is catholic one can go and confess etc and if one is secular one can go and tell the therapist or whatever.
Me, I'm getting quite good I think at writing e-mails and letters, and I regularly go to see the M.P. I also like to ring up places with concerns I think may wont raising.
Hutton Report states that: "There is no evidence that pay is lower for public sector workers to reflect higher levels of pension provision," he said.
Funny how Serwotka chose not to highlight that bit eh?
@orange brooker, there was research commisioned by PCS that states I would be paid approx 5k a year more if I did my job in the private sector. Huttons research clearly does not include civil servants who have for decades been receiving very low levels of pay. If its not because of the pension then why is it?
“I admire a lot of what Arthur Scargill did” What would that be? divide the Union and destroy the coal-mining industry: Arthur Scargill played into the tories hands, just like Mark Serwotka is doing. The brutal truth is, gold-plated pensions for the privileged few is indefensible. It's always nauseating listening to Union leaders on bosses wages defending the indefensible.
Scargill and the sociopathic Tories were hand in glove. Union members must hold any admirer of Scargill with great suspicion and as a likely traitor.
Still listen to Tennessee Ernie Ford's version of 'Sixteen Tons'.
No high-tone woman gonna make me walk the line!
What a sentiment! How apt! OK, Arthur Scargill was the first victim of Thatcherism! But Margaret was the final sacrifice to keep the Tories in power!
King Arthur if you dont mind
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