"Ed Miliband could pull a trick by following Gordon Brown’s firm line on the EU’s attempts to centralise power. "
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I read this paragraph and nearly choked on my cornflakes. Gordon Brown was the man who denied the British people a Referendum on the Lisbon Constitutional Treaty, despite Labour's Manifesto Commitment that one would be held. It is no good claiming that the Treaty and the proposed Constitution it replaced are different - they are virtually the same, as Merket and others freely admitted.

Labour under Gordon Brown, gave away the British right of veto so that a cabal of foreign politicians and bureaucrats can now IMPOSE their demands on us - whether changes in our laws or demands for money - and we have to comply. At least, we have to until the British people see sense and stop voting for the Labour, CONservative and LibDim conspiracy which keeps us trapped in the EU.

We need a new Cromwell to sweep away the political elite who have sold out this country for a ride on the gravy train. The best we have is UKIP and Nigel Farage.

The next EU Parliament elections may well see UKIP win and the Lib/Lab/CONspiracy won't be able to claim then that the British people are happy with the status quo as regards the EU.

You think if the UK were out of the EU, it would have absolute sovereignty? I hate to burst your bubble. Here is a partial list of reasons why the UK is not sovereign. The diplomatic influence of the US; China's creditor status; Russia on Gas. In world society, lets consider the rising influence of G20 nations. Middle Eastern oil reliance.

As for the EU not being democratic. This claim is the simple utopian tripe we hear from Daily Mail and Express readers, as if there could be some perfect democracy where we all vote and agree on everything all the time. The EU is democratic on the basis that it is legitimate enough to its constituents, who are our politicians. Indeed it is those who watch too much X-Factor who believe governance is about popularity.

Let me tell you how democracy works, kids. Politicians do not know the answers, but speak to speak to people who might. When you vote, you are choosing someone who can ask the right people for the right advice. If you think that democracy is about politicians reflecting your own petty observations about what you've read in the newspaper, you're misguided. Second rate politicians like Farage are just opinionated oiks who would not seek the best advice because they're so egotistical.

I'd rather be EU than UK anyway, just compare their foreign policies for instance. UK = Invade Afg/Iraq/Libya for unjust reasons. EU = fund civil society movements to facilitate progress and democratisation. Lets compare their structural domestic policies. UK = put loads of money into London, the richest area of the UK. EU = use structural funds to redevelop those cities in throes of deindustrialisation, e.g. Liverpool.

I did point out that David Cameron's achilles heel was the white cliffs of Dover mentality, but that, for some english closed-mind reason, got deleted by NS.

Bluddy Vera Lynn. Who is she really anyway, I ask you, really?

When John Major increased Britain's contribution to the EU Budget, he withdrew the Whip from half a dozen Conservative MPs who abstained. None voted against, and the abstainers represented about one quarter of the 22 who had voted against Maastricht (as one of them had not done). Across the floor, there was a Labour three-line whip to abstain. No one defied that and voted in favour, but there were 44 Labour votes against, one third of the number that, in voting against Maastricht, had outnumbered Conservative opponents by three to one even though there was a Conservative overall majority at the time.

So believe one word of the Tory tough talk when anything comes of it, and not a moment before. Following on from the anti-Maastricht veteran Peter Hain's accurate statement on Question Time that EU competition law was a threat to the NHS, this is Ed Miliband's chance to impose a three-line whip against any increase, thus ridding himself once and for all of any Eurocrazy Blairite rump, although a series of breaks with them in the division lobbies, on a range of issues, would be both more fun and more use.

And thus opening up the debate on restoring the supremacy of British over EU law, on using that to restore the United Kingdom's historic fishing rights in accordance with international law, on requiring all EU legislation to pass through both Houses as if it had originated in one or other of them, on requiring British Ministers to adopt the show-stopping Empty Chair Policy until the Council of Ministers met in public and published an Official Report akin to Hansard, on disapplying any legislation passed by the European Parliament unless passed by the majority of those MEPs certified as politically acceptable by one or more seat-taking MPs, and on the disapplication of any ruling of the ECJ, or of the ECHR, or of the "Supreme Court" unless ratified by a resolution of the House of Commons.

Money matters, but it has never been the main issue. So, will Cameron take these opportunities to denounce that silly, half-educated woman who thought it was, and who therefore banged on about her rebate but merrily signed the Single European Act, the source of the anti-NHS competition law of which she would have approved so strongly? Will Ed Miliband give him the opportunity to do so?

chris8hr : a truly terrifying response. Not only are you certifiable but such naivety is disasterous for the economy.

The EU is not about democracy - it is, in fact, pursuing the opposite. A single socialist super state. It has no interest in improving human life, quality or standards, it is driving toward the opposite, a lowest common demoninator of equal misery except for the elite rich rulers on our money. We've seen the beginnings of this arrogant unelected monster destroying the country already.

Liverpool is crushed because of massive levels of taxation preventing the growth of jobs. That's because the central government refuses to act appropriately and throw away the garbage of the EU, reduce local taxes and allow business to grow.

We're in Libya to control the oil. Nothing else. We need to do so for economic reasons. Either your an idiot or you work for the EU. Which is the same thing. Please, grow up. This country is being crippled by the edifice that is the European Union, not improved by it.

As for 'let me tell you how democracy works' rant is wrong as well. That's not democracy, that's administration. The two are completely different. Democracy is the people ruling themselves through an elected, and removable government. What you're advocating is unelected administration ruling without public support. That's the EU.

What Britain needs is democracy, not the EU. I ask you to 'grow up'.