Leader: We must talk to the Taliban and end this war
The Americans and British must seek a negotiated political settlement immediately.
By Staff blogger Published 01 July 2010Announcing the sacking of General Stanley McChrystal, the top US commander in Afghanistan, and his replacement by General David Petraeus, President Barack Obama said: "This is a change in personnel, not a change in policy." But the president is wrong. There needs to be a change in policy before it is too late and while the coalition forces are still able to negotiate from a position of relative strength and influence.
The Americans and the British cannot win their war in Afghanistan; the Taliban cannot be defeated militarily. The Afghan people have demonstrated throughout their long history that they will resist all attempts to be ruled from abroad or to have western-style puppet governments imposed upon them. Occupying forces from the British in the 19th century to the Soviet Union in the 20th century have demonstrated similarly that they do not have the patience or stamina to win a war and then secure a lasting peace in that blighted country.
There is widespread recognition among the lesser coalition partners that this latest Afghan war cannot be won on the battlefields. One by one, our allies are withdrawing or announcing their intention to withdraw. The Dutch will leave by the end of the year; the Canadians and Danish will follow in 2011. President Obama himself has signalled his intention to begin drawing down troops from as early as July 2011, and David Cameron has said that he would like Britain to have left altogether by 2015.
On 29 June, the bodies of the latest British soldiers to have died in the conflict were brought home. Once more, the crowds were out on the streets of Wootton Bassett to honour the fallen. More than 300 British troops have died in Afghanistan since the war began in the aftermath of the al-Qaeda attacks of 11 September 2001. Over 100 have died in the past year alone - an intensification of losses that bespeaks the failure of the policy of counter-insurgency.
Britain has 10,000 troops in Afghanistan; the Americans have roughly 100,000. The US has lost 1,000 troops; thus, the British losses, proportionally, are greater. Yet there is little recognition in American society of these British sacrifices or of the role that our troops are playing. In Michael Hastings's controversial profile of General McChrystal in Rolling Stone magazine, revelations from which led to the general's sacking, there was no mention of the British presence. The implication was that the Americans are in this on their own.
That may be the perception in the US, but the reality for the British troops on the ground is starkly different. The question that is being asked - even by those who once supported the occupation and its aims - is why our soldiers are continuing to die in a war that cannot be won. There was much bluster from Gordon Brown and others, to the effect that we were fighting in Afghanistan so that our people could walk safely on the streets of Britain, free from the threat of Islamist terrorists trained there.
This is nonsense. Before the invasion of Afghanistan and the subsequent illegal Iraq war, Britain was not under threat from al-Qaeda and even less so from indigenous terrorists. Rather, Tony Blair's wars radicalised young British Muslims, just as the educated, middle-class American citizen Faisal Shahzad, who failed in his attempt to launch a car-bomb attack on Times Square, New York, in May, was radicalised by deaths of civilians in US Predator-drone attacks on north-western Pakistan.
Our political leaders remain in denial. Listening to Harriet Harman, the hawkish acting leader of the Labour Party, discuss Afghanistan is to be reminded of the calamity that befell Labour during the years of Mr Blair's foreign policy misadventures. At least Ms Harman has not displayed the spectacular ignorance of the new Defence Secretary, Liam Fox, who said recently: "[We are] not in Afghanistan for the sake of the education policy in a broken, 13th-century country." In fact, what is required of the coalition in Afghanistan is precisely more investment in development projects, in education, road construction, irrigation, energy and health.
Afghanistan has been ravaged by war for more than three decades. The country has been under occupation of US-led Nato forces for the past nine years. The western-installed government, led by Hamid Karzai, is corrupt. The Taliban are barbaric and reactionary. Yet the Americans and British must not cut and run in despair. They must seek a negotiated political settlement immediately - and that means talking to and negotiating with the Taliban. The alternative is defeat for the allies and perpetual war for Afghans.
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21 comments
Drew you know nothing of the horrendous conditions present in Afghanistan prior to the taliban taking power.
You complain about public execution's and women being treated like dog's well let me put you straight ask the families of child rape victim's,families of those murdered or those families who had to rely on prostitution to survive and you will see what the people who matter most have to say about taliban rule.
Many were protected from those very warlord's whom the west have put into government.
Many muslim's are brainwashed into thinking that the taliban are or were terrible people but ask those who matter and you will see a very different picture.
Are you a moderate or extremist? If you stand up for the right's of the innocent muslim's then you are a extremist.
Regardless of what the west do they will never win in Afghanistan and many muslims are now understanding why they are fighting and will continue to fight until the invaders have retreated.
I may sound like a terrorist but people have the right to know that lives of British soldiers have been wasted by the worlds biggest aggressor the usa.
Don't take my word for it ask an intelligent British women who was held captive by the taliban and experienced at first hand the rule of the taliban.
Cut the crap and understand muslim's are fed up of being divided by the usa. Iraq now afghanistan who next?
We worship god the usa power and money.
The Taliban are only able to fight a war because of the "taxes" they receive from poppy farmers and profits on trafficking. The Afgahn war is a malign consequence of the War on Drugs as much as the War on Terror
Decriminalise recreational drug use and heroin which is currently the most valuable commodity in the world in dollars per oz - much more valuable than gold or platinum - would become a worthless weed
This would deprive the Taliban of income to buy arms and popularity. Would you still want to talk to them then?
There is always an excuse for defeat,As in Iraq there is a resistance movement which is made up of Afghans.
Delude yourselves all you like the vast majority of Afghans hate the invasion.
The only one's in favour are those afghans whose pockets are lined by the americans and have come into the country after previous occupiers were defeated.
Simply put, Cowards.
General Stanley McChrystal was the one who called for reconciliation with the Taliban and reintegration of Taliban fighters.
He is also the one who curtailed air strikes.
So you guys are just delighted he's gone because of a stupid article in Rolling Stone?
how does that make sense?
FYI
Denmark has not decided to leave Afghanistan in 2011.
No exitdate is set and the government has not promised to scale down in 2011 either.
You must be misinformed
Yours Sincerely
Charlotte Aagaard, senior defense correspondent
Information, Copenhagen
You may be right, but talk to them about what, exactly?
The Taliban won't talk as they are winning the war. McChrystal's troops surge was meant to force the Taliban into talks but it isn't working as the Taliban can handle the troops surge.
We have to face the truth, despite what they tell us, our generals are not just good enough to beat the resistance' commanders and the choice for us now is to either leave or stay and be beaten.
As a british born muslim it saddens me to see my country fighting a war which was not in our national intrests and has wasted the lives of so many.
Britain was never at risk from the taliban or the spread of "al-qaeda". A muslim who despises american foreign policy and there are millions is a potential al-qaeda member so to think fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan will make the streets of Britain safer is a complete red herring.
The streets of britain were safe until blair chose to engage in illegal wars.
Many need to understand that being a member of al-qaeda is very prevalent,One only has to hate the way america chooses to deal with muslim countries and the effect's of their foreign policies have on muslim's around the world.Most only talk of their hatred of america but others who are affected directly by americans will fight not to gain paradise and virgins but to rid the cancer that is america from muslim lands.
The fact is many muslims see themselves fighting american soldiers rather than fighting with them.Fact.
I hate seeing british soldiers being killed but I also hate watching innocent men,women and children die for simply wanting rid of american influence.
The taliban are not barbaric,simply go back before the invasion and you will find many who were happier under the taliban,You westerners may not like it but face facts,The taliban were responsible for the return of law and order and brought discipline where unruly warlords raped,murdered and looted at will.They were called the northen alliance the very same warlords that america has installed into power temporarily!
Of course they are talking to the Taliban already whilst attacking them verbally as well as physically. Remember the 'no truck with terrorists' cant re the IRA while Gerry and Martin were being flown back and forward to London? The spin around the Afghanistan debacle is even more dense than that around Iraq. Great to see Tone getting an award, eh?
The US will never learn, let them stay in Afghanistan and they will soon learn a long, hard and expensive lesson.