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No turning back

Neal Lawson and John Harris

Published 05 March 2009

The magnitude of the global economic crisis means that we have to change completely the way we live. To do that, we need a new kind of politics – and something bigger and broader than the Labour Party, argue Neal Lawson and John Harris in this New Statesman essay

Illustration by Marian Kamensky

The centre of politics has shifted. As Barack Obama’s victory and frantic first weeks in office prove, to talk about equality, fairness, control of markets and environmental sustainability is to reflect not just the aspirations, but the objective interests of the political mainstream. The neoliberal thinking that dominated the industrial world for nearly 30 years has led to a financial crisis, which in turn caused the global downturn. Yet if the United States has been seized by a new sense of hope, here in Britain there is a grim sense of business as usual.

The leaderships of the Conservative and Labour parties may advance different policies in response to the recession, but their underlying analyses are depressingly similar. The downturn is there to be ridden out, whereupon politics and society will return to where they were. A bunkered and backward-looking elite are now ignoring what is happening on the ground: in essence, we are caught in a very dangerous disjunction between the actions of career politicians and the aspirations of wider society.

The government’s responses to changed times have been either too timid or, on the few occasions ministers have still affected to be radical, based on the very ideas that are now part of history. As evidenced by the reluctance to insist on the separation of retail from investment banking, running through the supposed remedies for the financial crisis is a discredited belief in light-touch regulation. Thanks to intense corporate lobbying, it now looks as if promised moves on the gender pay gap, flexible working and parental leave are on hold. The same craven approach to corporate power explained the lamentable decision on a third runway at Heathrow.

Having long heard the claim that social democracy was held in check by powerful forces pushing in the opposite direction, we now find that, even at a moment of unprecedented opportunity, Labour still genuflects to the forces and interests of big business. Look, for example, at the recent debate in cabinet about bonuses, and the contention – reportedly voiced by some ministers – that any harder line might somehow spoil Labour’s business credentials. To cap it all, the government is reprising the tired old trick of defining policy against its own side, and advocates part-privatisation of that totemic public institution, the Royal Mail.

Over the past three decades, private interests have been not just allowed, but encouraged, to eat into the public realm. The dysfunctional consequences of uncontrolled markets have allowed government to grow ever more intrusive and controlling. In the face of a growing environmental emergency, well-being and sustainability have become terms that embody little more than cynical window-dressing. Now we have the worst economic crisis in at least 80 years. Clearly, there can be no turning back to the failed and discredited politics of old. Instead, we need to use this time of emergency to aim for a different future and to get there by different means.

The absence of forward thinking among the political class, however, is absurd. It is as if, when in power, Clement Attlee would have quietly wished to back-pedal to the mess of the 1920s, or Margaret Thatcher had turned out to be nostalgic for the era of the three-day week and incomes policies. Instead, both politicians realised that the people were moving to a new centre and they had the audacity to capitalise on it. Today our leaders speak the language of defensive line-holding and incremental adjustment even as politics is in flux. If the political elite do not address these new times, uglier forces may yet take their chance. Take note: with the European elections looming, the British National Party may gain its first platform within national politics; police intelligence predicts “middle-class riots”.

In response to the crisis of market fundamentalism, certain people (including, ironically enough, some of those who have spent their entire careers spurning anything deemed “Old Labour”) seem to have embraced a revival of a pre-Thatcher politics, whereby increasing the reach of the state becomes an end in itself and any idea of credible progressive values falls away. We see this return to the old ways in the nationalisation of banks that leaves their essential structures and ethos unaltered, and the idea that we might speed our exit from recession only by calling time on sustainability in a dash for state-assisted jobs which leaves the fundamentals of the economy unchanged. That agenda affects to speak to the moment, but has nothing convincing – let alone progressive – to say about the future. We need green jobs, not jobs at any cost.

The old social-democratic promise was of incremental reform, more wage-bargained crumbs from the capitalist table and a larger slice of the cake for the masses – all delivered from the sanctuary of the Labour movement. In 2009, in the face of both increasing social breakdown and accelerating climate change, any renewal of this project will be hopelessly inadequate. If there is to be no turning back to market fundamentalism, there can be no turning back to state and party fundamentalism, either.

Heroically, Old Labour tried to engineer a more equal society from the top down, but in a world that was no longer prepared to put up with deference, that project became suffocating, and was swept away by the new right and by the market fundamentalism that has shaped our world ever since. Under Old Labour, the state failed; under the Tories, markets were made too free. New Labour tried to find a third way between the two. But to split the difference between the old state and the free market was to build on the weakest possible foundations.

We should never underestimate the very real advances and improvements of the past 12 years: hugely increased investment in schools and hospitals, the minimum wage and improved rights at work, devolution to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. But now the contradictions and limits of the New Labour project are fully

exposed. Such is its failure that we face the bitter irony of a Conservative victory in little more than a year’s time – at just the moment that the country needs a leftward change of direction.

The starting point for a better future is the simple recognition that the Good Society is incompatible with market fundamentalism. The purpose of free markets is to maximise profits. This is beneficial for wealth creation and innovation, but there have to be limits. Otherwise, not only will there be the kind of periodic crises we are now suffering, but, as our climate changes, the inexorable march of the market will threaten – indeed, is threatening – our very survival.

Markets never contain themselves. Instead, they always look for new opportunities to make more profit. This leads to no end of disastrous and dysfunctional outcomes: among them, the commercialisation of the lives of our children and the rise of the kinds of complex financial instruments that have brought the whole house down. To turn society in a different direction, markets will have to be regulated and trammelled by social forces – the state and civil society. We must put in place the institutions that

allow society to make the market its servant. We cannot graft our conscience on to capitalism, as it were; the point must be to direct it and constrain it in the interests of society at large.

The good life is one in which we, as citizens, have proper autonomy, the ability to decide and make our own fate. We can achieve only a slim part of that alone. Over the past three decades, the overriding feature of the Anglo-Saxon model of capitalism has been to transfer risk from society to the individual under the pretence of greater freedom. But autonomy comes from collective decisions that change the big things about our lives, communities and planet. The market, by contrast, erodes society and the democratic state because it wants us to make only personal consumer decisions.

When our politics surrenders to such individualised logic, it risks losing any real meaning. Think back, for example, to Labour’s campaign for the election of 2005, and such pledges as “Your family better off”, “Your child achieving more” and “Your family treated better and faster” – not to mention Alan Milburn’s claim that Labour’s essential mission was to help more people “earn and own”.

Yet, even at Westminster, there are hints of something better. Within New Labour there are people – “left Brownites”, crudely put, such as Ed Miliband, Douglas Alexander and Harriet Harman – who believe that more transformative change is desirable, but clearly not feasible. David Cameron and some of his acolytes see the crisis in our politics and are trying to find a way out, talking about “capitalism with a conscience”. Yet this will amount to mere talk unless the new progressives publicly denounce the central tenets of Thatcherism – the creator first of our social recession and now our economic depression.

More promisingly, swaths of people within the Labour movement – up to and including some MPs – know that the party’s leadership is shrinking away from urgent challenges and failing to develop a modern version of progressive politics. In 2007, Jon Cruddas’s campaign for the Labour deputy leadership, and his critique of the government, made him the figurehead of the party’s centre left. Now the unions and the TUC are making daring noises, not least through championing the Putting People First campaign (tying together unions and NGOs under the banner of “Jobs, Justice and Climate”) before next month’s G20 meeting in London.

Among politicians, by far the most convincing and the boldest take on the financial crisis has come from the Liberal Democrats’ Vincent Cable. Within his party, so-called social liberals and

social democrats alike know that the era of market worship is over. The Green Party, too, knows this. Over the past decade think tanks and pressure groups – the New Economics Foundation, the Fabian Society, IPPR, Compass – have been pointing out the fragility of post-Thatcher politics and economics and sketching out what might lie beyond. As proved by the rise of the “Red Tory” thinker Phillip Blond (profiled in the NS, 23 February 2009), even some Conservatives accept that unchecked markets and monopoly capitalism have left our society – and the wider world – weakened and divided.

What is more, the past decade has brought the growth of social movements, many with an international focus, which have implicitly held out the promise of a politics less in thrall to outdated dogmas and vested interests, and genuinely focused on attempts to create a more equal, sustainable world. Those who marched against the Iraq War have resurfaced in organisations such as Plane Stupid, seeking to change the terms of debate about the way we live and the future of our planet. In our communities, groups such as London Citizens are underlining the power of solidarity by winning demands for a living wage.

In addition, campaigns to stop the introduction of identity cards and to define a modern

liberty are going from strength to strength. The case for equality for women in the workplace and in politics is being made as strongly as ever. Moral leadership is coming from the churches. And millions of ordinary people are doing what they can to change their lives and make those of others better – by buying ethically, recycling, volunteering and downshifting. Across the Atlantic, the same was true of the diverse movements and groups which clustered around the Obama campaign. With campaigning on the internet, change might come faster and easier. This is all cause for optimism.

The catalyst for what must happen next is that we must simply refuse to go back. We know the consequences of a desired return to “normality”: house-price bubbles, personal debt, boom and bust, insecurity and long hours at work, anxiety on the streets, stress in our homes, and fears about the survival of our planet.

What all of us who want a more equal, sustainable, democratic and liberal Britain and, indeed, world now have to recognise is that we can no longer go on trying to cope with the symptoms of market fundamentalism. It is time to address their causes. And to succeed in that, we have to work together. Isolated measures on the environment or inequality are not enough; single issues have to be joined up.

What this means is the creation of a politics that transcends tribal party lines. The postwar settlement that delivered jobs, free health care, social insurance and decent education for all was built on the ideas of J M Keynes and William Beveridge (both Liberals) and Rab Butler (a Tory). No party has a monopoly of wisdom. Meaningful and lasting change happens only when people join in the widest possible movements.

In the late 1980s, the Scottish Constitutional Convention brought together a range of people from parties, churches and other civic groups, and eventually delivered its aims, even in the teeth of opposition from Tony Blair. Coalitions such as Charter 88 and the Countryside Alliance have caught people’s imagination and had a palpable effect on organised politics.

We believe form follows function; it is time for like-minded people to listen and speak to one another. A few weeks ago, one of us shared a platform with a Labour-aligned speaker who claimed (as usual) that the party had to “take on” the

Liberal Democrats. We suggested that if Vincent Cable’s pronouncements were anything to go by, we should rather be talking to them. It was encouraging that an audience made up largely of Labour activists heartily agreed.

None of this means that we have given up on the Labour Party or the role of the state. A transformed Labour Party is still desirable – and feasible – as one of the most important means of the change that we seek. But Labour is far from being transformed. Besides, even capturing the state to give power away is no longer enough.

We can build a mixed economy in which the industries and services that the nation relies on to function are socialised, not privatised. We can allow markets to flourish, but know we are better served by more plural and diverse means of production – such as social enterprise, voluntary organisations, mutuals and co-operatives. We recognise that more democracy is nearly always the answer to the problems we face, not just in government, but in our workplaces and communities. We can close the gap between the rich and the poor. And we must put the needs of the planet before the blind pursuit of profit.

Once in a generation you have an opportunity to change society in profound ways. For all the hardship and insecurity bound up in recent events, we are lucky to live in such a moment. What seemed infallible until recently – the essential credo behind the last 30 years of economic history – has crumbled, like communism before it. Yet this is not a crisis of capitalism, but a crisis of a society and democracy that have failed to regulate the market. It will become a crisis for our planet, too, unless we resolve it. l

Neal Lawson is chair of Compass. His book “All Consuming” will be published in June by Penguin

John Harris writes on politics and music for the Guardian

Compass is holding a policy competition called How to Live in the 21st Century. For details visit: www.howtoliveinthe21stcentury.org.uk

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26 comments from readers

AlfredMarshall
05 March 2009 at 21:24

The manifesto should be more radical.

Socialism's a value system not a political creed. It's inspired by four ideas: treat everyone as equal, collaboration is invariably better than competition, acting to correct wrongs is always right and most people will do the right thing given the right conditions. These values were sacrificed since the creation of Labour to the pragmatic goal of securing parliamentary representation, influencing government and, ultimately, controlling Whitehall. Labour now is about managing Whitehall regardless of the cost in abandoned principles. It's unreformable. Leave it to the careerists, like Blair and Harman.

The radical option is for socialists to resile from party political activity and abandon the pursuit of elected office. This should be left to careerists: they make better managers. And it would be easier to hold them accountable if the rhetorical camoflage used by fake socialists was stripped away.

Socialists should seek to change society by relentlessly demonstrating in their lifestyles the superiority of the values of equality, collaboration, selflessness and optimism and nurturing them whereeveer they exist, including in the Conservative Party.

Restoring the mixed economy is timid and a waste of time. It wasn't socialism but a technical variant of liberal individualism which was based soley on the argument that markets sometimes don't work. Thatcherism was it's logical conclusion, hence New Labour

The UK's a service economy where no market works because almost everything bought and sold is intangible. The right approach is to understand that value in services is created solely by constructive human interaction. This is best left to the community acting through co-operative employee partnerships, not the state or privately-held or joint stock firms. Infrastructure, technology and other processes that facilitate human interaction (including the financial information system), however, probably should be nationalised.

William
06 March 2009 at 06:57

The point regarding US politics, is they have another three and a half years before they need to show a positive result.

old tribune
06 March 2009 at 19:57

“…None of this means that we have given up on the Labour Party or the role of the state.” “A transformed Labour Party is still desirable…” “ …We recognise that more democracy is nearly always the answer to the problems we face…” “…We can close the gap between the rich and the poor“ “…we must put the needs of the planet before the blind pursuit of profit.” “…this is not a crisis of capitalism, but a crisis of a society and democracy that have failed to regulate the market.”

These profound statements are meaningless if “WE” do not have the power to do anything. Who is WE? Gordon Brown has complete power - most of his MPs obey his every command - until some time in 2010. He never listens, he never makes mistakes, he is totally blinkered, he is anti-democratic. His clique is in agreement about crushing our civil liberties (nothing is going to halt the ID system and NIR, and Jack Straw has some more sinister plans in the Coroners and Justice Bill) - it is all for our own good - and any future election will either return the same crew or replace it with Cameron’s crew, who will find the anti-democratic measures too far advanced to be abandoned. Nor will a Cameron government follow any of the grand ideas Neal Lawson and John Harris hope for. What the election will NOT do is bring Vince Cable to government (even if, miraculously, the Lib-Dems won, I can’t feel much hope in a Nick Clegg government).

Between general elections we live in a dictatorship which can only be changed by the government, and why would any government return power to parliament. Will government MPs ever vote to defeat their government or risk their careers for their electorate?

Eddie, your ideas are good, but can people really change society when they are being spied on, intruded on, tracked and controlled by an authoritarian regime? If your approach were to start changing our lives it would soon be made illegal, or there would be so much intrusion and red tape it would be insufferable.

RCMoya612
07 March 2009 at 12:19

'Across the Atlantic, the same was true of the diverse movements and groups which clustered around the Obama campaign. With campaigning on the internet, change might come faster and easier. This is all cause for optimism.'

And what about across the Channel? Or in China?

There's something unsatisfactorily narrow about the British media: it seems to think that the only other country worth mentioning is the United States. They ignore how 'progressive politics' at a grassroots level are championing sustainability and green energy all over the continent. But alas, they don't speak 'our language'...

In any case Lefties in this country (the UK) seem so fixated on Obama at the moment that they've forgotten that the US is no longer the largest emitter of greenhouse gases. As in all things economic, power is shifting to the East--if Britons were serious about climate change, they'd pay less attention to what the US does, and start strengthening intra-European emissions reduction policies, whilst haranguing the Chinese and the Indians about climate change. The latter will surely need a lot of time to be convinced on these issues--so it really doesn't help when Europeans are going ga-ga over America (still) while China keep pumping away...

Nilsey105
07 March 2009 at 12:23

"...running through the supposed remedies for the financial crisis is a discredited belief in light-touch regulation."

Nothing has changed nor will there be change whilst those who are culpable for a major part of the crisis are still part and parcel of the elite. This is highlighted by the change Brown made in his pronouncments on two different occassions related to Shadow Banking and Tax Havens.

During his sychophantic address to the American Congress Brown received tumultuous applause when he called for the "Outlawing of Shadow Banking procedures, and the Outlawing of Tax Havens"

Fast forward now to the same persons address to the opening of the Scottish Labour Party Conference some 4 days later in Dundee, when he calls, "... for Shadow Banking Procedures and Tax Havens to be included into the regulatory net ".

That to me is a shift of some magnitude.

Moveing from recognition of Shadow Banking and Tax Havens being out side of the law, to wanting to include the same, in a form of light touch regulatory system, just beggers belief.

But it doesnt surprise knowing the mans track record.

upbeatskeptic
07 March 2009 at 13:47

This is utterly terrifying. As soon as the left talk about the radical creation of the ‘Good Society’ (the vision of which, like the Calvinist elect, only they are in possession of), you can bet that what is about to be served up some sort of ‘bold’ plan that inevitably commits violence against all those who might happen to disagree on what a ‘Good Society’ might look like. This is where character assassination is adopted as the most effective means of securing the (rather shaky) intellectual foundations of the argument; the fundamentalist ‘you’re either for us or against us’ rhetoric that can contemplate no discussion.

Further, I am always weary when individualism is written off nonchalantly as simply opposed to the good, without reasons supplied as to why this is the case. It has never been clear to me why individualism must be contrary to communal harmony; indeed, it always seemed most logical that individualist philosophy actively encourages the creation of worthwhile and meaningful social institutions, because this is best for the individual. What it opposes is the ownership of the individual by the state – and this is where it becomes abrasive to left wing thinking, that wishes to depict the individual as a sacrifice-able constituent of a much larger goal; the ‘Good Society’.

I’ll never forget when Diane Abbott, Labour MP, was challenged by Andrew Neil about, amongst other things, Mao’s China and the slaughter of 60,000,000 or more people. Her response? To paraphrase – you could argue that it was good, for it brought the Chinese out of feudalism!

old tribune
07 March 2009 at 14:55

“…None of this means that we have given up on the Labour Party or the role of the state.” “A transformed Labour Party is still desirable…” “ …We recognise that more democracy is nearly always the answer…” “…We can close the gap between the rich and the poor“ “…we must put the needs of the planet before the blind pursuit of profit.” “…this is not a crisis of capitalism, but a crisis of a society and democracy that have failed to regulate the market.”

Who is WE? These profound statements are meaningless if “WE” do not have the power to do anything. Gordon Brown has complete power (most of his MPs obey his every command) until some time in 2010. He never listens, he never makes mistakes, he is totally blinkered, he is anti-democratic. His clique is in agreement about crushing our civil liberties (nothing is going to halt the ID system and NIR, and Jack Straw has some more sinister plans in the Coroners and Justice Bill); it is all for our own good. Any future election will either return the same crew or replace it with Cameron’s crew, who will find the anti-democratic measures too far advanced to be abandoned. Nor will a Cameron government follow any of the grand ideas Neal Lawson and John Harris hope for. What the election will NOT do is bring Vince Cable to government - even if, miraculously, the Lib-Dems won, Nick Clegg seems to be in his own unreal world.

Between general elections we live in a dictatorship which can only be changed by the government, and why would any government return power to parliament and people? Will government MPs ever vote to defeat their government and risk their careers for the electorate?

Eddie, your ideas are good, but can people really change society when they are being spied on, intruded on, tracked and controlled by the authorities? If your approach were to start changing our lives it would soon be made illegal, or there would be so much intrusion and red tape it would be insufferable.

papigosh
07 March 2009 at 16:51

A NEW PARTY MUST EMERGE

New Labour has completely lost the plot and the grass root supporters know this. In the light of earth shattering economic changes, Lord Mandelson has the nerve to push forward the PRIVATISATION of the ROYAL MAIL. Our RAIL SERVICE is about to collapse in a spectacular style in PRIVATE HANDS and the disastrous impact of PFI on our NHS would soon be abundantly clear as already seen in the virtual collapse of so called BIG BANKS.

Our present predicament is still unfolding, but this time, you do not need to be a Charles Darwin to figure that the TORIES ARE MOST CERTAINLY NOT THE SOLUTION.

As said in this piece the ONLY VOICE OF REASON is that of Vince Cable but it appears his own party are in HIBERNATION.

it is the perfect time for a NEW ALLIANCE of the left, greens, progressive centrists and even the so called RED TORIES to take the centre stage of our polity.

Even the police can smell it, in the looming 'revolt of the middle classes'. This is the time for all the marchers against the Iraq War, Civil liberty activists, climate change warriors, unemployed youths, graduates and professional men and women, working class and people against fat cat bonuses to come together and TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY.

The forces of true democracy must prevail over that of Lord Mandelson (New Labour), David Cameron and Boris Johnson (Tories) and the ominous BNP and UKIP. We must not sleep walk to our doom. This is not just ANOTHER DEPRESSION we hope to emerge from by swapping Mandelson for Cameron.

I can live with Vince Cable!

Gideon Polya
07 March 2009 at 22:49

Neal Lawson and John Harris are correct in saying “In the face of a growing environmental emergency, well-being and sustainability have become terms that embody little more than cynical window-dressing …We can close the gap between the rich and the poor. And we must put the needs of the planet before the blind pursuit of profit. “

However the reality is that what they call the “new sense of hope” in America is not enough – there needs to be radical change. Thus Top UK climate scientists Professor Kevin Anderson and Dr Alice Bows (Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research, University of Manchester) have recently estimated that an annual 6-8% decrease in greenhouse gas (GHG) pollution is required to stabilize atmospheric CO2-e (carbon dioxide equivalent) at a still catastrophic 450 ppm (parts per million). Unfortunately, the best Obama and Brown can offer is a 2% annual GHG pollution decrease and the current policies of huge GHG polluter Australia mean an annual 2% increase in Australia’s Domestic and Exported GHG pollution (see “Good and bad climate news”: http://www.green-blog.org/2009/01/13/good-and-bad-climate-ne... ).

Indeed Anderson and Bows say their data argue for a radical change in national and global arrangements: “Unless economic growth can be reconciled with unprecedented rates of decarbonization (in excess of 6% per year), it is difficult to envisage anything other than a planned economic recession being compatible with stabilization at or below 650 ppmv CO2-e … Ultimately, the latest scientific understanding of climate change allied with current emissions trends and a commitment to “limiting average global temperature increases to below 4oC above pre-industrial levels”, demands a radical reframing of both the climate change agenda, and the economic characterization of contemporary society” (see: Kevin Anderson & Alice Bows, Proc. Trans. Roy. Soc, A, 2008: http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/publications/journal_papers/fulltex... ).

Camus
08 March 2009 at 14:58

Very self-centred and anglophiliac. Do you not realise that we live in a world in which the climate is changing, the number of climate-charged conflicts will increase and the politicians simply ramble on about saving the banks and stabilising the system. Madness. What are "the aspirations of wider society?" Isn't it time for the people to start to create a little mayhem in order to be heard?

keatsshelley
08 March 2009 at 15:04

Dear Mr Lawson and Mr Harris,

The premise that there is a new sense of hope in the

USA is flawed; in addition, the essay fails to convey

that the financial restructuring of the banking

institutions has been more realistic and accountable

than the US.

It is imperative to note the lack of accountability that

the OBama ADM has introduced; furthermore, his

adm. should propose a nationaization of all the banks

with toxic assets-pleas note this has been introduced.

Finally, the essay does allude to the plethora of war

fronts that the US is engaged. With the costs of the

iraq War, which Mr. Stiglitz estimates at $3 trillion, so

high how does this facilitate a recovery or hope??

John D. Froelich
08 March 2009 at 16:56

I haave been a political statistician by hobby for over 40 years. Looking at the 2008 US returns by county, I see no reason to assume a massive leftward generational shift in the US.

Rqther, I strongly suspect that Obama will be followed by a strong conservative surge, much as Carter set things up for Reagan's advances.

Freeman
08 March 2009 at 18:15

A 'Popular Front' of this kind cannot survive in the same

way that the pre-war Popular Front failed. You cannot be

for capitalism and against capitalism at the same time

and expect to be coherent.

slightlyiratecouncillor
08 March 2009 at 19:59

Please Mr Harris and Mr Lawson, just read the Green Party Manifesto. 9 of your ten points are there - The only one missing is the maximum wage, which was debated but defeated at our last conference, on the (I think sound) grounds that a maximum wage policy could not be brought in until one had got dividends etc under control, otherwise it would always be straightforwardly circumvented, and merely practically unworkable.

I find it astounding that you guys could write this article and fail to mention the Party which pioneered most of the policies that you are now converts to.

And please remember that the next elections, the Euros, are proportional representation elections. The Greens can win. I earnestly hope that you will now lend us a hand, to do so... We represent what you are aspiring toward...

World Turning
09 March 2009 at 11:25

My, my there is some wanton negativity around. Many of you seem to have been well-trained in knocking hope. I could almost imagine that you are our opponents, dressed as us and making those negative comments in order to put us off. Mind you, with so few commenting on this site, does it matter so much?

It is simple really. Social democracy is what we need and what we can get and does not kill. We have had indiviualism stuffed down our gobs for the best part of thirty years and it has done nothing for us. In fact, that we must work together is not a choice, we must do. In a world, a country so full and complex as ours, our differing interests have to meet and compromise in the middle. This is social democracy. In fact, you individualists, give us your detailed prognosis, laughable though I am sure it will be.

Those who advocate removing themselves from party politics and trying to establish some kind of socialist utopia away from the party political sphere, I can only think you exist in cloud cuckoo land.

John D. Froelich. Carter had Opec and Iran to deal with. Nowadays we have to shift from the carbon economy, any fule kno that, and Iran has triumphed over the Republicans too. Kennedy won in '60 by a bum squeak and led to Johnson and the Great Society. Johnson was undone by Vietnam. We must just hope Obama is bright enough to not be undone by Pakistan. Events I think will already be teaching him a lesson (I hope so anyway).

For those who think this social democracy is just about Britain/England, by nature we are internationalists and know that we have to establish good relations and good dealings with our neighbours. In fact, it has rather been us to reach for the lowest common denominator in Europe, if we were to join with our social democratic brethren abroad, we can achieve a lot. Heck Obama wants to go after the tax havens, while Brown does not really. Brown is no longer social democratic

World Turning
09 March 2009 at 11:45

All we are asking,

is for social democracy.

I do not envisage social democracy being called, thought of or acting in strictly the same manner as capitalism.

If you think you can overturn the market, and do so right now, you are mad. If you want to provide checks and balances so that the "free market" does not destroy us all, then you can. The first had the vision to do so at Bretton Woods. Opec and the corrections for the hirtherto unbalanced power in the world economy with the Far East rising in the 1970s put paid to Bretton Woods 1. What about learning from past mistakes, keeping with the decency and common sense of Bretton Woods 1, but forming an international system of capital control that takes into accoount all economies of the world.

Social democracy is the only way, and you know that for sure.

As for suggestions of 'Popular Front' politics, don't be ridiculous. We think more in the way of a coalition of common interests coming together much as the old Whigs, Peelites and Radicals made the Liberal Party of the 19th century. Saying that people should come together, is recognising that currently many of us operate on our single issues as we feel our strength is best utlized that way. What we need now, though, is for people involved generally on the progressive side, to come together behind a wider programme, one fit for government. In any case, try to sort one thing and another stands behind it, we must come together and sort it all, so as to be able to sort each thing.

As I see it now, Obama's greatest threat lies in Pakistan, which could be for him, what Vietnam was for Johnson. Kennedy won by a bum-squeak in 1960 and led into Johnson, who lost track, focus and vigor for the Great Society in the paddy fields of Vietnam.

For others, we are not talking about a radical change into some "good society". We are talking about a common sense recognition of our needs and interests in common. We have never been below 50% of the population.

World Turning
09 March 2009 at 11:53

Slightlyiratecouncillor:

The Greens sadly are not a nationally substantive enough presence to either be sufficient to guarantee Lawson's and Harrie's suggestions or to recommend them. Sad though it is. The Greens will also need to be sorting whether they are pro or agin nuclear energy as some high-profile green writers have come out for it.

As for cirumventing salary caps via dividends payments, this can be prevented by taxing dividend payments. When I was studying accountancy, we saw how dividends were taxed separately to interest and to basic salary. So dividends are identifiable and taxable. Perhaps some Greens want to enjoy some dividents/tax perks.

Camus. Social democracy is nothing if not international. We have learned how excessive international competition, actually now engaged in by supra-national non-governmental corporations and businesses, brings harm; and so we know we have to provide against this. We need to work together with our socially-minded brethren abroad so that our plans to end tax havens and to provide a decent fiscal policy are not undermined by beggar-my-neighbour politics. In fact, Britain has been economomically to the right of most of Europe, so it is Britain that needs to come in from the cold on this one. Likewise, Brown and Obama.

Stan Rosenthal
09 March 2009 at 12:38

I agree with much of the analysis in this article. However dealing with the problems in the way you propose is strong medicine. And this kind of strong medicine will requires watering down (and perhaps some sweetening up) if it's to be swallowed by a population contaminated by the old ways.

This will probably mean working through the existing structures and reining back on your more extreme proposals in the critical decade ahead.

I also suggest you should be a little more discriminating about the groups you include under your banner, The Countryside Alliance is essentially a front for landowning foxhunters, Plane Stupid is now known as Plain Stupid after that ridiculous, counterproductive, green custard stunt, and the modern libertarians are effectively all about giving a free-hand to anti-social behaviour and terrorism.

Dane Clouston
09 March 2009 at 18:29

It is time to break the New Labour/Compasss/Fabian Society taboo, evident in this article and elsewhere, on the discussion of the redistribution of the inheritance of wealth. Why be so scornful of Alan Milburns’ idea of enabling people to own as well as to earn?

"Private property is theft", said Proudhon. No, it is not: private property is necessary for all sorts of reasons to do with enterprise, privacy, reward and security. But what is a kind of intra-generational theft vis a vis fellow citizens in each new generation is unequally inherited capital or property that beneficiaries have done nothing themselves to create, earn, save nor make.

The robber barons of the commercial and financial world have made their fortunes and will keep them. Their children will inherit those fortunes, often tax free, while others will inherit nothing during their lifetimes. The former should pay a progressive tax, starting at 10%, on cumulative lifetime receipts of all unearned capital so that the latter can receive - at the reasonably responsible financial age of 25 - a basic minimum National Universal Inheritance (see www.universal-inheritance.org) of ten percent of average wealth of every adult and child in the country. For genuinely greater equality of opportunity in a capitalist social democracy, there must be inheritance of capital, as well as good education and health, for all. And once the idea is up and running, who will be satisfied with 10%?

Such an Asset Welfare State will - in each succeeding generation - increase entrepreneurial activity, home ownership and opportunity, reduce alienation, crime and policing costs, financial exclusion, social exclusion, poverty and the need for and cost of the Income Welfare State. It will be help in the present crisis by increasing a sense of national community and identity and by spreading wealth and spending power more widely.

Ike Gibson
09 March 2009 at 20:56

I agree with a great deal of this analysis. However

where it goes onto climate change, I'd advise a bit of

caution. That the climate is changing and warming up

is, I believe, indisputable at the moment. The

bandwagon that says its all down to man is far more

suspect. The climate has changed drastically since

the earth arrived - both warmer and cooler - eg the ice

ages. When the last Ice Age receded, there was no

industry and CO 2 generation directly attributable to

man - but the earth still warmed considerably.

Between 1940 and 1970, when human Co2

production was accelerating sharply - the earth was

cooling !

That little point aside, I don't believe we can go

forward without taking some action against those who

brought the economic disaster on us all. Just saying

no more of those policies but we'll try these new ones

won't prevent the current greedy failures and those

that follow them from circumventing the new policies -

whatever they are. We have to root out and punish

the mindset causing the damage in order for the next

generation of financiers to really alter their ways -

whatever policies we come up with.

We should start with the notion that everyone on earth

is entitled to a reasonable share and stop honouring

the ones that grab an indecently large one.

Knighthoods and massive salaries to incompetents

with only self interest guiding them should result in

contempt, not more honours !!

Re the Royal Mail - I wish someone would explain to

me why, when this outfit needs modernising and an

injection of about £8bn, the owners of it - the state-

can't find the cash, but can find repeated tranches of

hundreds of billions to shore up private businesses.

Privatisation - direct from the Tories dogma ! Its high

time we accepted that good management beats bad

management everytime - regardless of private or

public ownership

laurence n
09 March 2009 at 22:21

Between the gaps in tthe article peep the old collectivist politics. The authors say they want a broad front but also want a leftward movement in the centre of British politics. Torn about current affairs I offer both sides of my confusion...

The decreasing relevance of the G8, and its replacement by a G20 and the increasingly assertive clubs of developing countries shows an internationalising of capital. It is only when all makrets have been through the capitalist project that there can be broad internaitonal agreement on globally just distribution of social goods.

The other view is that the current crisis IS as Mr Brown says, caused by imbalances in the operation of markets that can be curbed by international governmental action. And once this is done - together with the counter cyclical spending to ameliorate the worst effects of recession- we will return to the gradual process of a shift in power to the east, and more manga on TV.

taghioff.info
10 March 2009 at 05:45

And where does the internationalism come into this?

The key to this crisis is is that just as the banks recover, commodity prices are set to rise, driven by oil and water shortages.

And as we get to grips with that, climate change sets in, putting further pressure on food and water markets.

With the most hunger dense areas of earth, in Asia, nuclear armed, this problem for the poor becomes a problem for all of us.

So we need a system that can deal with the effects of massive inflation, whilst stabilising the livelihoods of those at the bottom, globally, so that we can fight climate change rather than each other.

This requires a global politics, and this article, whilst a step towards recognising how profoundly things have changed, is only very much the start of a new thought process.

Do any of the current political class in the UK have what it takes to face up to this?

http://thusmagazine.com

Camus
10 March 2009 at 09:47

World Turning. "Social democracy is nothing if not

international" How right you are. At the moment it's

nothing. Let me tell you a story. Opel in germany has

factories in four states (Länder, they're called) of

Germany, in belgium, in Spain and in Slovakia. The

local leaders of each of the Länder (two conservatives

and two SPD) all plead for government intervention to

save Opel from the knackers yard. Nobody gives a

damn about Belgium or Slovakia, nobody cares about

the workers in another of the Länder. The SPD -

about the most social democratic of all of the

European 'left-wing' parties squints at the opinion

polls and keeps its mouth shut. International

solidarity? Ho, ho, ho.

nawawimohamad
10 March 2009 at 10:20

There is no abolute man made solution to the whole economic, political and social quagmire. The word is reasonable supervision ( I am afraid to use control) in every aspect of our activities. There should not be a lull period of laisser-faire and not just focusing on one issue of dominating the world . Then Britain should refrain from just being the side-kick in the relationship.Stop parroting the US and concentrate on the domestic problems. Take the best out of every conceivable ideology ,definitely there are flaws in any man made system. Trying to be just conservative or labour is just being narrow minded.

slightlyiratecouncillor
11 March 2009 at 19:42

@WorldTurning:

Fear not, the Green Party is united against nuclear power. Chris Goodall is just one dissident voice who got used by the media; 99% of the Party are 100% behind our no-nuke policy.

Focus on THIS year's elections - the Euro-elections are by PR: the Green Party can WIN.

See http://www.liberalconspiracy.org/author/rupertr/

Giles Simon
12 March 2009 at 16:18

Neil Lawson and John Harris are right. With the latest economic crisis, time has definitely been called on both market fundamentalism and social democratic centralism. Unchecked markets got us into this mess and it’s unlikely that either more markets or top down engineering can get us out.

Since its very beginning, the co-operative movement has diagnosed and responded to the deficiencies of both models. Whilst markets and centralism have fought it out for government support, co-operatives in the UK have grown steadily, with 4,735 co-operative enterprises now contributing over £27 billion a year to the economy.

This crisis, however, has prompted a surge in the popularity of co-operative enterprise, as people across the political spectrum realise their true value – co-operatives, after all, trade for the benefit of the many not the few, operate in the interests of people not profit, and bring businesses under democratic control. Exactly what’s needed now.

Co-operatives are no panacea for a failing business or damaged economy, but they do represent a better form of business and hope for the future. It’s not surprising that the Putting People First campaign is being led by New Internationalist, a committed worker co-operative.

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