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diver1604
26 November 2008 at 16:31

More of the usual anti-BNP lies. Why should we be ashamed of our history. We have given much to the world and many of our people have died in the defence of democracy. Before condeming the BNP why dont you actually read the manifesto. It might be easier to just read and listen to the rubbish that is constantly churned out by the liberal media and our political enemies but its not actually the truth !

This idea that all party members are nazi's,thugs and race hating bigotts is totally wrong. Strange that the very people that make these allegations are the same people that are now making threats of violence and abusive calls to people that have appeared on the stolen members list.

I myself have been on the end of this disgusting behaviour.

This country is supposed to be a democracy,yet the people that claim to support it are trying to silence their political opponents with threats.

I am proud of my country,the British people and our history. Why should'nt we have a white history month ?

It would be fair and even handed to balance Black history or any other history month.

What are our political opponents so afraid of ?

Is it that British people may actually start to openly show pride in their country and people ?

edmundstanding
26 November 2008 at 17:17

If you want to know more about 'White History Month' see 'BNP "White History Month" whitewashes history' here:

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2008/11/12/bnp-white-history-mon...

edmundstanding
26 November 2008 at 17:21

diver1604 needs to read his party's Constitution.

It states that membership is available only to white people and that the BNP 'is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples'.

This is clear racism.

Eric_The_Fish
26 November 2008 at 17:24

diver. Your argument is sunk.

The Manifesto is just a smokescreen (not that major parties are innocent of this). Documents like this and recommendations of Kemp's revisionist history book show the true BNP as seen on Stormfront. I've spoken to a number of people who have contemplated voting BNP for various non-racist reasons and they have had their eyes opened by the stuff from the White History site and the Liverpool leaflet.

We have A White History month every month!

You make a totally unsubstantiated claim about threats made. I don't condone any of this. If people do receive threats, let them complain. Oh wait you think the police are instruments of the state.

I note you do not tackle any of the points raised in the article.

Eric The Fish

http://ericthefishking.blogspot.com/2008/11/help-bnp-liverpo...

bertie bert
26 November 2008 at 18:44

The BNP have no problem with black history month they can celebrate it in Britain, and their native countrys, EVERYONE has a right to enjoy their history.

The indigenous people of Britain ! Who have a history on these islands going back some 40,000 years,

Who happen to be white !

So are you really saying, we have no rights to celebrate white history, in our own country?

We certainly cannot celebrate white history in other non white countries can we?

The things you enoy today in Britain you should read the names on the WW1 and WW2 monuments.

ROLL ON BNP bring back some sanity !

bertie bert
26 November 2008 at 18:45

edmundstanding

the BNP constitution says no such thing. again total ant-BNP drivel

stonehenge
26 November 2008 at 19:04

Edmunstanding.

How many organisations are there for the ethnic minorities?, ie Muslim Police Officers Association, Black Police Officers Association etc. There is no White police Officers Association. Would it be racist if there was one?.

Every race/culture has a right to associate with their own kind and that includes the indigenous population of this country.

Eric_The_Fish
26 November 2008 at 19:08

Quote from Constitution from BNP site FGS!

The British National Party represents the collective National, Environmental, Political,

Racial, Folkish, Social, Cultural, Religious and Economic interests of the indigenous

Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norse folk communities of Britain and those we regard as

closely related and ethnically assimilated or assimilable aboriginal members of the

European race also resident in Britain. Membership of the BNP is strictly defined

within the terms of, and our members also self define themselves within, the legal

ambit of a defined ‘racial group’ this being ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ and defined ‘ethnic

groups’

bert. if you can provide evidence that this is not the case, let's see it. Tumbleweed?

Also from the site:

Do you accept or deny that blacks/Asians born in Britain are totally British?

People are partly the product of their environment, but mainly of their genes. Spike Milligan and Joanna Lumley were born in India – do you think they are Indians? It was the Duke of Wellington who said that just because someone is born in a stable that doesn’t make him a horse.

So you can moan all you want, the evidence from your own party speaks volumes. Taken with the Racism Cuts Both Ways leaflets, it is apparent that you may wear suits and have doctors, DJs, bookies and witches in your midst, but you'll still be the racists you always were.

As for the Wars, you'll find non-indigenous names on memorials throughout the world and non-indigenous blood splattered for those freedoms, so don't use that one.

Why do you need such a month? It's not as if all history is taught without mentioning white people?

We know the real reason. Read the White History site and you'll see apologies for Hitler et al. I'm still witing for a response from the BNP over my initial comments on AH and the KKK.

Eric

http://ericthefishking.blogspot.com/

Eric_The_Fish
26 November 2008 at 19:10

Moral Maze.

Mad Mel and 'Lawyer' Lee. Strewth!

http://ericthefishking.blogspot.com/

edmundstanding
26 November 2008 at 19:20

bertie bert, stop lying.

The BNP Consititution:

http://bnp.org.uk/bnp-resources/constitution-9th-edition/

BNP Constitution Section 1, 2 (b):

'The British National Party stands for the preservation of the national and ethnic character of the British people and is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples. It is therefore committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent, the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948'.

edmundstanding
26 November 2008 at 19:29

And here's what 'white history' means to BNP author Arthur Kemp, from his book 'March of the Titans', linked to on the BNP's 'white history month' page:

'There is however considerable confusion over the exact number of Jewish deaths in all the camps, and indeed a debate over whether gas chamber executions even took place on the scale so often alleged ... An increasing number of historian dissidents are challenging the claim of mass exterminations of Jews and others by the Nazis during World War Two'.

And here's party leader Nick Griffin denying the Holocaust:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6X8QQwU00Jk

'This nonsense about gas chambers is exposed as a total lie'.

me
26 November 2008 at 19:35

eric the fish,i am not a bnp surpporter,but to me they speak more truth than the other political parties,it may not be welcome to some but you know what they say about the truth.

To me the problem seems to be religion,why will turkey never get into the E.U?

Acts like tonight!They were shouting are you british or american?

soon each and every one will be faced with a choice,what will yours be?

Eric_The_Fish
26 November 2008 at 19:41

me:

Well, if you're happy to deny the holocaust and get into bed with racists, fine. i don't intend to attempt to change you. What I'm interested in is countering propaganda. Not by calling them names but by showing clear evidence as above (see also Edmund Standing for more in depth stuff). Your choice.

We still await evidence that rebuts the facts above. Note bertie's response. He ignores the questions as Barnbrook does on his site.

With regard to Turkey and EU membership, that is another kettle of worms ;)

I don't understand your penultimate point to be honest.

bertie bert
26 November 2008 at 19:43

Some of you really arnt getting it are you ?

So instead of every race having the ability to promote and keep their culture, you want to totally destroy all races then ?

It may surprise some people that the BNP has polish, hungarian, gay, jewish, Italian as members, and many members have foreign wives/husbands etc.

Adam Walker BNP teacher has a Japanese wife, Richard Barnbrook (BNP GLA member) his partner Simone Clarke (BNP member)are bringinmg up Simones mixed race young child.

Democracy=the will of the people, the opposite is dictatorship, banning legal partys.

ever wondered why the BNP is a LEGAL party?

could it just be you have been fed lies like the EU, Weapons of mass distruction anyone?

Eric_The_Fish
26 November 2008 at 19:53

But no black people. So, it comes down to colour.

Still ignoring my points!

I'm not in favour of banning you.

I know what it's like to be persecuted. Someone posted the Tufty Club membership online and I've been getting phone calls from someone saying he's called Clarkson. And. Perhaps. He is.

I never thought there were WMD.

Answer the questions above.

me
26 November 2008 at 20:15

eric the fish:

i aint in bed with any of the political parties,they are all the same to me in all but name,but to say racists seems to me you mean labour!

I dont deny the holocaust indeed i think our history should be standard teaching in all schools,as the Man Winston Churchill said,the further you look into history,the further you can see into the future!

Dont know the man(edmond standing)or anything about him,but there are good and bad in every party to me.

My point is this,the bnp are pillared in all the press as being racists(there maybe some)but to me most of that seems to have gone.Its not the 50s with the kneejerk reaction of the n.f.and they seem to be making resonable political points that i think should be discussed.

I think the day is fast approaching when there points will be the main points being discussed in parliment,thats if "islamic fundamentalists"dont get there way first.

Codswollop
26 November 2008 at 20:43

"diver1604 needs to read his party's Constitution.

It states that membership is available only to white people and that the BNP 'is wholly opposed to any form of racial integration between British and non-European peoples'.

This is clear racism."

The Black Teachers Association?

The Black Police Association?

The Black Barristers Association?

The Black Journalists Association?

The MOBO Awards?

No doubt, diver1604, you will also condemn these associations for being racist?

Jim McMichael
26 November 2008 at 20:46

Why the double standards?

Black History Month is okay - but White History Month in not! Why aren't white kids entitled to their culture? What are you lefties frightened of?

And we have a spokesman for the far-left Searchlight outfit describing the BNP as having "their own history, which is ridden with racism, fascism and violence” - unlike Searchlight's history of intimidation, violence and criminality! How many Searchlight operatives have crimial records eh Gerry?

And, of course, there is the ingrained dishonesty in this article - why no mention of the far-left connections of some of those making anti BNP comments? Are they embarrassed by their communist/ Trotskyite extremist associations - or are they just trying to con the reader into thinking that they reflect acceptable opinion?

If black kids need a Black History Month then that is fine by me - but white kids have a right to their culture as well and a White History Month sounds a good idea to me.

So - teacher - leave OUR kids alone!

Codswollop
26 November 2008 at 20:49

These below are racist, then?

The Black and Asian Studies Association

The Black Teachers Association

Black Vote

BLINK

Black Business Association

Black History Month

If Blacks can have their own clubs, why can't we?

gnuneo
26 November 2008 at 21:01

what always causes me amusement, and it is SO indicative of not only the racialists like the BNP, but also the Fabian High Modernists of Labour and the Happy-Slappy Class warriors of the Tories, is that they ALL see education, and schooling, as being of the "lets program the kids with what we want them to believe" line of thinking.

where is the notion of letting the *students* decide what they want to learn? Hell, i wouldn't be at all surprised to find that many 'minority' British are even more fascinated by such history (and how it is presented), than many white British kids! The exact same thing is true across the board, in every subject - stop regarding education as something to program the kids with, and look at it as the best opportunity for our youngsters to get a grip on this mad, sometimes bad, World of ours, and give them their head.

The BNP (Fabians, happy-slappies) can spout all the nonsense they want, that should be everyone's political right. But NO-ONE, of WHATEVER political inclination, should be allowed to be deliberately circumscribing our children's education to follow their own beliefs.

edmundstanding
26 November 2008 at 21:07

'If Blacks can have their own clubs, why can't we?'

Most of Britain IS a white club - 97% of the population is white. Why would whites need advocacy groups in the way minorities need advocacy groups?

As for the rest of the comments on here (apart from Eric), I give up. You people are either totally ignorant or just see what you want to see. Plus you all adopt a pathetic victim mentality with this rubbish about people not being taught 'white history', about needing to have 'white groups', and so on.

Face it, a political party that states it is only open to white members is a racist party. It's not an 'association' or a 'club' - it wants to get elected as the Government of Britain. So, that would be a Government based on ideological racial apartheid, promoting 'repatriation' of 'non-assimilable' British citizens, even if they were born here and consequently, by definition, cannot be 'sent back' anywhere.

Why do you think people from many backgrounds passionately oppose the BNP? It's not because of some Marxist conspiracy, it's because the BNP stand for racial division based on pseudo-scientific 'racial' constructs derived largely from the widely discredited 'racial biology' promoted by the Nazis.

georgeselina
26 November 2008 at 21:41

Nice to see McCarthyism is alive and well in the UK. Now Liberals can feel good about persecuting those following Un British activities such as having a political belief that falls outside the mainstream. You can hound them out of employment and society and still have a clear concience. You make me proud to be British

gnuneo
26 November 2008 at 22:34

"You can hound them out of employment and society and still have a clear concience."

instant karma is a bitch, huh? The BNP would do precisely that based upon spurious notions of 'race', so crocodile tears about it being done to them do not make me particularly heading for the tissue box.

btw, i personally do not believe people should be punished for their political beliefs, but then again - punishing people for their skin colour and minority status is even worse from a democratic standpoint.

the only reason i appear to 'support' your position, is that i believe that anything politically suppressed actually gets stronger.

the best way to end racism and hate-mongering is through open dialogue, stupidity can only breed in the dank region of censorship.

georgeselina
26 November 2008 at 22:47

Demagoguery?

Paul Lettan
27 November 2008 at 06:12

On 'British' history: thanks to the Romans, many early inhabitants of the British isles came from both sides of the Mediterreanian. Those from North Africa and the Middle East, Moors and Arabs, Eygptians and Jews settled happily and traded with Celts and Romans. Send home all the Saxons, Angles and Vikings and let them take their 'aryan' race purity with them. Perhaps the Normans could stay, at least they were civilised by the Gauls before they came.

Bane of Britain were the Anglo Saxons. Took them a thousand years to learn how to write and only that after the French taught them how to think and govern themselves. Could have been a great nation, Britain, if the Angles and Saxons hadn't ever settled here and held everyone else back.

edmundstanding
27 November 2008 at 07:40

Just a quick correction re my post above. I meant to say only 7% of British people are non-white, meaning 93% of British people are white. Which still shows how pointless it is to have 'white' this and 'white' that.

Codswollop
27 November 2008 at 10:24

Dear Edmundstanding

"Most of Britain IS a white club - 97% of the population is white. Why would whites need advocacy groups in the way minorities need advocacy groups? "

Where I live is 97% ethnic, why can't I have education and clubs geared up to the 3% white? You forget people like us exist, and this isn't meant to be racist, but I feel like I'm in a foreign land.

faitaccompli
27 November 2008 at 11:18

"White history month", redundant as it is, in itself is not a bad thing, but the point of it as promoted by the BNP seems to be to stoke anti-minority sentiments and to bring back the sense of superiority that led to the world wars and other atrocities of the past by taking the view that people of colour as inferior.

Critics of the BNP are again and again asked to read their manifesto which in its physical form above all else promotes expelling non-whites out of this country, and gives one the impression that their other "policies" are hazy afterthoughts.

The very fact that a person colour is denied membership by virtue of his ethnicity alone speaks volumes about what the BNP is about. Their denial of the Britishness of non-white British people by citing Joanna Lumley's place of birth shows how they are unable to come up with a better reason for the main tenet of their racist campaign.

In the days when the Chinese are seen as the saviour of the western capitalist system, can we really afford to have a movement that promotes disdain of our own ethnic minorities gain legitimacy and lose our sense internationalism?

Pride is not racist, but BNP is.

faitaccompli
27 November 2008 at 11:28

Codswallop,

Is teaching tolerance and eschewing racism "gearing the education to the minorities"? Because last I checked the children are still taught the histories of Britain and Europe in school.

Strummer
27 November 2008 at 11:57

What nonsense and irony!

Why is Black History Month good and White History Month bad?

I repeat, why?

This article is riddled with disgusting anti-White racism, which I and many others are sick and tired of.

Get in the real world, New Statesman, or you will see some REAL 'New Statesmen' appear.

faitaccompli
27 November 2008 at 12:07

Strummer

More boneheaded moaning. How pray-tell, is the article "riddled with anti-white racism"?

softlad
27 November 2008 at 12:18

Why can't we have a white History month ? I am proud to be white. Theres nothing wrong with that is there ?

Only a pure out and out racist would think that there is anything wrong with it. Call the BNP racists ? I might even consider voting for them next time, the others are just liars.

faitaccompli
27 November 2008 at 12:24

Softlad

All politicians have an agenda and spin their words accordingly. Welcome to the real world, lad.

Eric_The_Fish
27 November 2008 at 12:34

faitaccompli makes an important point. It's easy to get lost in the argument about the need for such a month; the real concern is that the BNP version of white history is being taught. Given that the same history book recommended as Book of The Month (Richard and Judy must be shitting themselves) by Arthur Kemp covers US history that includes the KKK and also has many sections on non-white ethnic groups and the so-called effect on good ol' indigenous Britain.

I won't be side-tracked by the non-issue of Black pressure groups representing minorities. This party - in cloud cuckoo land I know - wants to form a government just by representing the majority. This creates a two-tier democracy and in effect apartheid.

Of course, the BNP would then have a solution to that apartheid.................

Eric_The_Fish
27 November 2008 at 12:37

As people keep saying, it's not as if history in schools is now just about slavery, Mandela etc.

You should also look at UK History channels. Lots of doc's on Adolf for you to salivate over.

http://ericthefishking.blogspot.com/

Bob1
27 November 2008 at 15:12

And you wonder why BNP support is going through the roof? Duh.. *Hello* why is it perfectly acceptable (and even promoted using tax payer money) to have a 'black history' month, but not a 'white history' month..?

And why are all these organisations pefectly ok, but not the indigenous equivalent..?

Black Police Association, Operation Black Vote, The Voice newspaper, Black people's mental health association Black and Asian therapists online National BME mental health network Federation of Black housing organizations The Black Londoners forum The Black Police association Positive action in Housing Asianfaces.co.uk,Asian modelling service Society of Black lawyers,London Society of Asian lawyers,London BlackLawyersDirectory.com asianjobsite.co.uk BlackandAsiangrad.ac.uk Ethnic media Group Al-Nisa Muslim Women’s Group Al-Nur Muslim Women’s Association Antrim Chinese Community Association Barnardos Chinese Lay Health Project Chinese Welfare Association The Windsor Fellowship Sponsors for Educational opportunity,(SEO)London BlackBritain.co.uk EthnicBritain.co.uk emjobsite.co.uk Link Net Mentoring Suga fix media arts Sussex The National Black Writers and Artist Association Black students Association UK Black teachers Association Black UK online Ashiana Housing Association Ltd. UK Asian business directory Asian People's Disability alliance Asian arts agency Black Enterprise awards BlackEngineer.com AIM magazine Natwest Bank (Asian Entrepreneurs Unit) Asian Voice Black womens rape action Project,BWRAP,London The Drum,African,asian arts venue,Birmingham Black training and enterprise group UK Black Pride Ethnic Minority Foundation,London Oshwal Elderly Welfare Association,Surrey Ethnic Minority and Black Regional Action for Community Empowerment (EMBRACE),Birmingham MENTER,Regional network for Black / Minority Ethnic (BME) voluntary organisations Black and Minority Ethnic Elders Group,Scotland Latin American elderly project,London Latin American golden years

edmundstanding
27 November 2008 at 17:22

The History National Curriculum: Myth and Reality:

http://edmundstanding.blogspot.com/2008/11/history-national-...

andyh
27 November 2008 at 17:24

The left have so much hatred for people who do not share their world view. It is, believe what I believe or you're a facist, and nowhere in-between is allowed or exists. The irony with the left is they are the ones shouting facist and in the process, not realising that there is more than their 1 world view and many truths and what they are doing is behaving like facists.

I have 2 small children and watching them i realise they are born with "instincts". They act with animal instincts which is there for survival. Just because we can build aeroplanes and put a man on the moon does not mean we don't have instincts and act on them. It's just technology has advanced quicker than we as humans have evolved. however evolution has given us these instincts for a reason and that reason is survival. There is nowhere on earth that different tribes live in harmony. The Middle East, India and Pakistan, Iraq, Turkey and Armenia, Bosnia, Africa. You can argue as much as you like and blame different religions or land, but behind it all when you dig deep it is tribalism. What we cannot escape is that, that evolution has given us, a survival instinct and no idealogy in the world can avoid it.

It took me 30 years to understand why when a nature program was filming the people didn't intervene when a lion was attacking a baby animal. what will happen in a few years when the world becomes more and more populated do you really believe that people won't revert to tribalism.

I for one do not want to live in an Asian area or a black area or a chinese area, I want to walk in the street and see people like me, who speak like me and understand me. I feel comfortable with that and I also don't want alien religions or behaviours to impinge my life in any way. Just because that is the way I want to live does not mean I want to build gas chambers and gas everyone that isn't like me.

I am also against British Imperliaism as I am American, Chinese, Iranian regional, Russian and Islamic.

bertie bert
27 November 2008 at 19:39

Eric_The_Fish

It may surprise some people that the BNP has polish, hungarian, gay, jewish, Italian as members, and many members have foreign wives/husbands etc.

Adam Walker BNP teacher has a Japanese wife, Richard Barnbrook (BNP GLA member) his partner Simone Clarke (BNP member)are bringinmg up Simones mixed race young child.

Democracy=the will of the people, the opposite is dictatorship, banning legal partys.

ever wondered why the BNP is a LEGAL party?

could it just be you have been fed lies like the EU, Weapons of mass distruction anyone?

bertie bert
27 November 2008 at 19:46

Well I have been a BNP member for nearly a year, and I haven't seen anyone ranting about nazis, and KKK.

The BNP have no problem with black history month, either in Britain or any native country these people came from, even celebrate it in both,

We are only asking for us to celbrate it in our own country, that was built by the indigenous people over some 40,000 years.

I will NOT apologise for being white, anymore than I would expect a person of any other colour skin to apologize for their colour.

faitaccompli
27 November 2008 at 20:21

bertie bert

It does not surprise me at all that the BNP does not stick to what was set out in their "manifesto" ie having Poles, Hungarians, Italians etc as members when they are supposedly out to protect the "indigenous Anglo Saxon population" of the country. It makes it even more obvious that the manifesto is merely a smokescreen for drawing a rift between who they perceive as whites and non-whites.

lutar
27 November 2008 at 20:29

diver1604 - Whether you believe the empire was good for Britan those it ruled over, one thing it wasn't it isn't is democratic. People may have died for a cause they believed in it but it wasn't democracy. Arthur Kemp the writer of the book mentioned fought to keep Apartheid which was definitely undemocratic. You may argue South Africa is a basket case but please don't say BNP are for democracy. and free speech. The current Credit fiasco and envirnmental issues has led me to believe the world was a better place before the industrial revolution

Camus
27 November 2008 at 20:32

The barroom bores in full flight. The BNP seems to believe that there is a 'race' of 'white people' who somehow have preserved their racial purity and are therefore superior to other 'races.'

1. This 'race' nonsense is based on totally unscientific mumbo jumbo.

2. the British schools and universities have been teaching English History for centuries so why on earth do the BNP want a 'White History Month'?

3. However you care to read it, the BNP believe in 'white' superiority and the company they keep in Europe is very unsavoury indeed.

lutar
27 November 2008 at 20:41

andyh- you can use Northern Ireland as an example. Over there there are still divisions yet descendants of people from there live happily togther in the USA and Australia. Germans and Brits were fighting each other in Euope yet they happily lived together in another part of the world. The tribalism in NI is something that is learnt and passed down. gooders

diver1604
28 November 2008 at 11:55

Eric_the_fish you say that my claim of threats agianst BNP members on the leaked list is unsubstantiated. I can tell you from personal experience that insulting and threatening messages are being sent to members. I had yet another one only yesterday. Is this democracy in 21st century Britian !

As for the issues raised in the article, which exaclty would you like me to comment on ?

As for the comments from "Codswollop", yes your absolutely right. The organisations you mentioned are indeed racist. Can you image what would happen if these same organisations where created with the word "White" in front of them !!!!

I cannot understand why some people are prepared to condemn the BNP and its members when for the most part these same people dont even know what is in the parties manifesto.

The lies and condemnation which is constanlty churned out by our political enemies and a liberal ,PC media is based on the hope that the general public are going to be ignorant of the actual declared aims of the party. The fact is that more and more people are tired of hearing the same old rubbish and are now actively looking at the BNP policies on immigration, the E.U and many other commitments we make.

Most if not all of our policies are getting a massive increase in public support.

Now thats democracy in action.

Lies and threats made against the BNP and its members is more in tune with Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia.

So who are the enemies of freedom of speech and democracy now ?

sceptic
28 November 2008 at 12:39

Why has this story been removed from the front page?

Eric_The_Fish
29 November 2008 at 14:52

diver. The article mentions the KKK and Hitler references on Kemp's site. You really think this is what our children should be taught?

Also, check out the national curriculum and tell us where it says that 'white' history is not taught.

as regards threats. No doubt you will also condemn the Redwatch tactics of posting details of left-wingers? Or isn't that part of the 21st Century you bemoan?

Needless to say, I condemn all threats.

This freedom you speak of....freedon not to get posts published on BNP sites such as Darby's unless you agree with them?

http://www.standards.dfes.gov.uk/schemes2/history/?view=get

Unlike Merseyside Police, I believe the leaflet to be racist and clearly designed to cause trouble.

jvanderkliss
01 December 2008 at 07:09

Paul Lettan.

The Romans didn't bring other peoples to Britian except as slaves, in very limited numbers, and some auxillaries that served with the Roman Legions. All of the peoples you mentioned were conquered by Rome. Lets not forget the fact that as the Roman Empire became more and more muti-ethnic and less Roman in the 4th and 5th centuries, it became weak and unstable and eventually collapsed. The "Barbarian Invasions" as they were know, did not start with an actual invasion. It started in 376 when the Visigoths, fleeing the Huns, asked and were granted permission to settle within the Roman Empire. Until that time, the Romans were able to repulse any military invasions from peoples north of the Rhine and Danube. The Visigoths soon revolted however, and defeated the Romans at the the battle of Adrianople. This was the beginning of the end of the Roman Empire as we knew it. The same thing is happening in Britian today. This was not an invasion, but rather immigration that was allowed by a liberal government. A drastic change in culture, ethnicity, language! How long before these "Barbarians" revolt?

gnuneo
03 December 2008 at 01:36

jvanderkliss: they will not - unless Western societies continue to attack their home countries for nothing more than profit and power. In actual fact, talk to any Muslim parent, and you will discover that their children ARE revolting... but against Islam, not against Western freedoms. The vast majority of Western Muslims (born here) would be like fish out of water if they moved to avowedly Muslim societies, as much as they may mock 'Western Vulgarity and Promiscuity', they soon find Muslim society far too restricting and non-free. You should watch the film "east is east", it is a microcosm of the experience of Muslim immigrants to the UK.

Values of Freedom will win out over the long-run over any kind of restrictions, look at the revulsion in American society over the trends set by the Bush regime for instance.

the danger is that Western Racism will actually turn the children of immigrants away from their Britishness, and towards Islamic extremism - as the saying goes, "action begats reaction".

deedee
16 December 2008 at 16:16

The reason why Black history month exists is because

the education system omits major parts of history that

perhaps looks bad on the British

We learn ad infinitum about the World War I and World

War II and there is never a single mention of the

millions of Africans, Asians and Caribbeans from the

colonies who also fought in the war.- - ever heard of

West India Regiments etc

We learn about how Britain 'industrialised' and yet fail

to mention where exactly the vast sums of money and

capital came for industrialisation - which was from

colonialism and exploitation of labour and land in

africa, asia etc.

These are just two examples. The fact is that history in

this country is 'white' - so unless history education in

this country stops omitting what it doesn't like there

should always be a black history month, and indian

history month and chinese history month so those

interested can learn the full story and not the jingoistic

version taught in schools