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Mogulgeddon: Alan Sugar and Donald Trump compete to be most childish tycoon on the internet

It's mogul v mogul on the highways of the internets.

Donald Trump v Alan Sugar: whoever wins, we lose

Storified by Alex Hern · Fri, Dec 07 2012 03:20:14

Thanks to Edinburgh Eye for pointing out this lovely little squabble. 
Donald Trump really likes the £100m golf course he built in Aberdeen. The Scottish Government really likes the idea of building an offshore windfarm within sight of that golf course. Donald Trump really doesn't like that idea:
How can George Osborne reduce UK debt while spending billions to subsidize Scotland’s garbage wind turbines that are destroying the country?Donald J. Trump
You’re all wrong—check the facts! UK is massively subsidizing Scotland’s wind turbines & the people don’t want them.Donald J. Trump
Player 2 has entered the game:
@realDonaldTrump RT Scottish don't want wind turbines........I think you have that wrong . The Scottish don't want you !Lord Sugar
.@Lord_Sugar If you think ugly windmills are good for Scotland you are an even worse businessman than I thought...Donald J. Trump
... and, in my opinion, should not be doing The Apprentice.Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump RT: in my opinion you should not be doing the apprentice........well you have NO SAY in that. The British like me not youLord Sugar
(Both of these things are basically true.)
@realDonaldTrump the ugly windmills will bring more revenue and green power to Scotland than your golf projectLord Sugar
(Tricky one to fact check, this. Not only do we not have the internal projections for Trump's golf course, but there's also debate over how much revenue the course will bring to Scotland, and how much will be withdrawn from the country back to Trump's US bank accounts. Less confusion over which will bring more green power, though.)
Sugar: @Lord_Sugar—unlike you, I own The Apprentice. You were never successful enough...Donald J. Trump
.... to do The Apprentice but I approved you anyway. Without my show you’d be nothing!Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump you approved me! What a load of rubbish dream on You don't own apprentice Mark Burnett does. Shut up and argue with ObamaLord Sugar
(The balance of power is obviously a bit uncertain, but given Trump tried to quit in 2007 and NBC were happy to continue without him, I'm gonna give a point to Sugar on this one)
@realDonaldTrump success is measured with what you have in business.I own all my real estate with no bank borrowing how about you big shot?Lord Sugar
(Trump's business empire is built on a lot of debt, which occasionally leads to bankruptcies in his subsidiaries. Trump himself is notoriously touchy about this, even going so far as to – unsuccessfully – sue for libel an author who estimated his net worth at just $250m.)
@realDonaldTrump you only have 1.9m followers with 350m population in the US does that reflect your popularity?Lord Sugar
(0.6% of the US follows Donald Trump on Twitter, but 4% of the UK follows Lord Sugar. Do those figures depress you too?)
Sugar: @Lord_Sugar--Keep working hard so I make plenty of $ with your show...Donald J. Trump
...You have little persona, but The Apprentice concept is great and lucky for you!Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump RT: you have little persona .......in England we say the pot calling the kettle black . You have had a charisma bypassLord Sugar
PLAYER 3 HAS ENTERED THE GAME
Hahaha, LOVE this > RT @realDonaldTrump: Sugar: @Lord_Sugar—unlike you, I own The Apprentice. You were never successful enough...Piers Morgan
@piersmorgan trump owns the apprentice hah hah just like I own Arsenal . Or to put it another way like you are the biggest star on US TVLord Sugar
Don't wish to interfere obviously @realDonaldTrump - but it may be time to fire @Lord_Sugar from YOUR show for his impertinence?Piers Morgan
@piersmorgan @realdonaldtrump RT: time for you to fire him from your show.......let's see if the big shot can stop me doing the apprenticeLord Sugar
@piersmorgan @Lord_Sugar I easily could but as long as Sugar is making me money (it's my show) I won't--unlike Sugar, I'm not stupid!Donald J. Trump
It's 'Piers' and 'relevant' > RT @jackbob_jimmy @piersmorgan @realDonaldTrump @Lord_Sugar Shut up pears as if you know anything #NotReleventPiers Morgan
@piersmorgan @jackbob_jimmy @realdonaldtrump the bloke called you Pears due o the shape of your bumLord Sugar
When I made the Apprentice the #1 show in the US, that was a good day for you...Donald J. Trump
... and many others. Drop to your knees, Sugar, and say thank you, Mr. Trump.Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump @piersmorgan you are full of sh.. Trump you have no power over the UK apprentice, just like the Scottish people .Lord Sugar
(I'm not sure whether Sugar is arguing that Trump has no power over the Scottish people, or the Scottish people have no power over the UK apprentice. Either way, I guess he's right?)
Greatest tweet of all time... hahahahahahahaha > @realDonaldTrump: Drop to your knees, Sugar, and say thank you, Mr. Trump.Piers Morgan
@piersmorgan @realdonaldtrump the only one who drops to his knees is Morgan he kisses ar... I trained him how to win your celeb showLord Sugar
(There isn't enough information available to fact check this claim)
Dopey @Lord_Sugar—Look in the mirror and thank the real Lord that Donald Trump exists. You are nothing!Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump donny did u know @piersmorgan called me before he won yr show.I told him how to win by massaging your fat ego. It worked !Lord Sugar
@realDonaldTrump you only have 1.9 m followers not good for your ego how comes I have 2.5m and you have 6 times more population than UKLord Sugar
(Sugar's just rubbing it in now)
@realDonaldTrump did I miss your reply if you have bank debt on your real estate . Do any American followers know about Trumps financials ?Lord Sugar
@Lord_Sugar @piersmorgan Sugar, if you taught Piers Morgan he never would have won!Donald J. Trump
Sugar @Lord_Sugar—you should say thank you, Donald, like a good little boy... ...Donald J. Trump
...instead of biting the hand that feeds you! Don’t bother, just keep making me money!Donald J. Trump
Exactly! > RT @realDonaldTrump: @Lord_Sugar @piersmorgan Sugar, if you taught Piers Morgan he never would have won!Piers Morgan
@piersmorgan @realdonaldtrump RT: exactly ........shut up PinocchioLord Sugar
(I can't work out what the below tweet is a reply to. I think Trump may be shadow-boxing again)
@piersmorgan @Lord_Sugar No, his ignorance!Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump thank you for allowing the UK audience to form a comparison between me and you . YOU LOST ask them who is better at itLord Sugar
And Sugar leaves with a final boot in Trump's side:
@realDonaldTrump @piersmorgan I might be ignorant as I must have missed your reply if you have bank debt on the real estate they own.Lord Sugar

Alex Hern is a technology reporter for the Guardian. He was formerly staff writer at the New Statesman. You should follow Alex on Twitter.

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The science and technology committee debacle shows how we're failing women in tech

It would be funny if it wasn’t so depressing.

Five days after Theresa May announced, in her first Prime Minister’s Questions after the summer recess, that she was "particularly keen to address the stereotype about women in engineering", an all-male parliamentary science and technology committee was announced. You would laugh if it wasn’t all so depressing.

It was only later, after a fierce backlash against the selection, that Conservative MP Vicky Ford was also appointed to the committee. I don’t need to say that having only one female voice represents more than an oversight: it’s simply unacceptable. And as if to rub salt into the wound, at the time of writing, Ford has still not been added to the committee list on parliament's website.

To the credit of Norman Lamb, the Liberal Democrat MP who was elected chair of the committee in July, he said that he didn't "see how we can proceed without women". "It sends out a dreadful message at a time when we need to convince far more girls to pursue Stem [Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics] subjects," he added. But as many people have pointed out already, it’s the parties who nominate members, and that’s partly why this scenario is worrying. The nominations are a representation of those who represent us.

Government policy has so far completely failed to tap into the huge pool of talented women we have in this country – and there are still not enough women in parliament overall.

Women cannot be considered an afterthought, and in the case of the science and technology committee they have quite clearly been treated as such. While Ford will be a loud and clear voice on the committee, one person alone can’t address the major failings of government policy in improving conditions for women in science and technology.

Study after study has shown why it is essential for the UK economy that women participate in the labour force. And in Stem, where there is undeniably a strong anti-female bias and yet a high demand for people with specialist skills, it is even more pressing.

According to data from the Women’s Engineering Society, 16 per cent of UK Stem undergraduates are female. That statistic illustrates two things. First, that there is clearly a huge problem that begins early in the lives of British women, and that this leads to woefully low female representation on Stem university courses. Secondly, unless our society dramatically changes the way it thinks about women and Stem, and thereby encourages girls to pursue these subjects and careers, we have no hope of addressing the massive shortage in graduates with technical skills.

It’s quite ironic that the Commons science and technology committee recently published a report stating that the digital skills gap was costing the UK economy £63bn a year in lost GDP.

Read more: Why does the science and technology committee have no women – and a climate sceptic?

Female representation in Stem industries wasn’t addressed at all in the government’s Brexit position paper on science, nor was it dealt with in any real depth in the digital strategy paper released in April. In fact, in the 16-page Brexit position paper, the words "women", "female" and "diversity" did not appear once. And now, with the appointment of the nearly all-male committee, it isn't hard to see why.

Many social issues still affect women, not only in Stem industries but in the workplace more broadly. From the difficulties facing mothers returning to work after having children, to the systemic pay inequality that women face across most sectors, it is clear that there is still a vast amount of work to be done by this government.

The committee does not represent the scientific community in the UK, and is fundamentally lacking in the diversity of thought and experience necessary to effectively scrutinise government policy. It leads you to wonder which century we’re living in. Quite simply, this represents a total failure of democracy.

Pip Wilson is a tech entrepreneur, angel investor and CEO of amicable