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Why I blessed gay clergymen's relationship

Martin Dudley

Published 17 June 2008

The rector of St Bartholomew the Great in the City of London, in the eye of storm over gay 'marriage', explains why he decided he must bless a gay relationship

Robustly heterosexual since early adolescence, unable to see that any love surpasses the love of women, and once branded by the odious Daily Mail as 'Dud the Stud', I may seem miscast in the role into which I have now been thrust, that of the turbulent rebellious priest who defies bishop and archbishop to bless two gay men, also priests, in their civil partnership.

Yet there is a sense in which I have been moving towards this point for more than thirty years. The 1970s shaped my thinking. Many factors were combined, among them existential philosophy, the campus war against American involvement in Vietnam, the challenge to apartheid and to discrimination based on race, colour and gender, and the sexual liberation provided by the contraceptive pill.

The Sunday Times in its golden age under Harry Evans was a major influence, creating a critical mindset that no longer accepted authority without question and the blue-back Penguin books provided a theoretical underpinning for future action.

On the bottom shelf of my bookshelf is one such fundamental text, The Death of the Family by existentialist psychiatrist David Cooper. The study of theology at King’s College, London, was rigorous, critical, comprehensive, and above all engaged with a rapidly changing world. As Dean Sydney Evans posed the existential “Who am I?” he taught us not to accept the “I” as a fixed point but a point in motion, always becoming.

For today’s Church of England it is as if the 1970s never existed; the lessons have been forgotten. There has been a retreat from exploring the depths, pushing the boundaries to the point where words strain, crack and sometimes break as we struggle to express in a suffering world the foolishness of God and the all-embracing love found in Jesus Christ.

There has been a return to uncritical fundamentalist use of biblical “proof texts”, ripping verses from their theological and literary contexts. There has been a flight to the safety of rigid law and inflexible dogma and a consequent desire to unchurch those who will not conform.

So on a day late in 2007 when my friend and colleague Peter Cowell asked me to bless the civil partnership that he was to contract with David Lord in May this year I was ready to answer “yes”. I did so not to provoke the so-called traditionalists and to deliberately disregard the guidelines published by the English House of Bishops, not to defy the Bishop of London, whose sagacity I respect, or Archbishop Rowan, who I have known and admired for 25 years, but because to respond in any other way would have been a negation of everything I believe, of everything that makes me who I am, as a man and as a priest.

We were in unchartered territory, seeking to find the words that would express the love of Peter and David and their commitment to each other. New words could not carry the burden and we turned to the old, to words shaped by centuries of use, redolent with meaning.

This bringing together of two men would be like a marriage but not a marriage, for I am clear that marriage is between a man and a woman, and the words I will say must be said with integrity. The words, vow and covenant, binding and union, were put under tension, slipping, sliding, perishing. They were imprecise, transferred from one relationship to another. We could not speak of procreation but we could speak of “the mutual, society, help, and comfort” that the one could have of the other, of loving, comforting, honouring and keeping, for these are good words and not limited to or by marriage.

On 31 May, my birthday and the feast of the Visitation, when Mary said “My soul doth magnify the Lord”, 300 people gathered in St Bartholomew the Great to celebrate the Eucharist, to witness Peter and David commit themselves to each other in an exclusive loving relationship.

Amazing flowers, fabulous music, a ceremony both solemn and oddly homely, familiar words reordered and reconfigured, carrying new meanings. Nothing jarred, nothing felt even vaguely inappropriate. New and untried but not wrong. Not a gay rally or demonstration, but a truly joyful celebration.

It is not we who have whipped up the whirlwind, replacing words of love and inclusion with those of hatred and exclusion. We set out to express, experimentally, pushing at boundaries, a love of a type which is not unusual or perverse but which is perfectly ordinary and accepted outside the Church. Why, then, can it not be accepted inside the community that is based, not on law, but on the loving presence of God in Jesus Christ?

Those who cannot ever accept same-sex unions and would rather divide from those who do, branding them as blasphemous and unchristian, have inevitably turned on us, and especially on me. I am clearly not naïve, so I must have been malicious, politically-motivated, intent on pushing forward my ungodly agenda. Every aspect of my life and ministry is being raked over, the Daily Mail’s old allegations of sexual impropriety, my failure to be elected as an alderman, my writing a book on clergy discipline, even the complaint from neighbouring flats that I will not silence the church clock which chimes at midnight and again at seven as it has for centuries. First discredit your opponent, then defrock him, and, as he is Rector of Smithfield, why not the stake?

I did not seek the role, the interviews, the publicity, but more than thirty years ago I began a journey, a process of becoming, that focuses on Jesus the Christ, not as lawgiver and judge but as the one who loves us and holds us and will not let us go until we know ourselves as loved by him despite our foolishness and imperfections, and because of that, when Peter Cowell asked me, I did not hesitate, not even for a moment to answer “Yes, I will.”

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44 comments from readers

Jane Greene
17 June 2008 at 13:55

I think you've been incredibly courageous Martin.

proudlyleft
17 June 2008 at 18:07

If I were gay, I would never want to be married in a church (or mosque or temple etc). But if there are gays who want it, well, marry them off, for godssake, and get on to some real worries -- like environment, starvation etc.

kairos
17 June 2008 at 18:23

What a fabulous description of what appears to be a marvellous and godly occasion. I do admire the way in which Dr Dudley speaks with a mixture of integrity and pastoral sensitivity in commenting upon the service. He does not appear at all defensive or vitriolic but simply assured. How wonderfully refreshing for a modern (and yet anglo catholic) clergyman to speak in this way. It’s restored my confidence in the Church of England. Marvellous.

KenBatty
17 June 2008 at 18:37

I attended the service, with my partner of 25 years who is also an Anglican priest. We felt the service made an important and fundamental statement that we were proud to witness.

The statement was that David loves Peter and Peter loves David.

Christians, I am told, believe that God is love. In the light of that I am astonished that so many conclude things other than that God was there at the very heart of the service,

Thank you Dr Dudley for a wonderful service and for allowing Peter and David to make such a very public statement of their love.

NorthernMonkey
17 June 2008 at 19:28

I congratulate you for your bravery Dr. Dudley. If only there were more like you in the church.

revcdy120
17 June 2008 at 19:51

Dr. Dudley -

I agree wholeheartedly with your words about the power of the words of the Book of Common Prayer and their complete applicability to gay relationships. As an Episcopal priest in the US I have done several gay "weddings" using the service from the Book of Common Prayer with minor wording adjustments. As a lesbian in a committed relationship myself, I used that service at my own commitment ceremony five years ago. Bravo for taking the courageous step and let's hope people get over it and get on with the ministry of love and reconciliation that is at the heart of what we're about.

Revd LJ Roberts
17 June 2008 at 22:52

Yes, yes ! Congratulations !

Glad you have not caved in, but have wtitten this piece.

davidp_newton
17 June 2008 at 22:53

Here is a priest who needs to be defrocked. He needs to be joined by the two he "married". All three have broken the trust that the Church of England has placed in them. They have breached church rules and, more importantly, they have breached teachings which are at the heart of Christianity: the sanctity of marriage.

Marriage is a union between a man and a woman. For Christians that is an irrefutable fact and these priests have the arrogance to think that they can repudiate that doctrine. The minister who married my parents was a homosexual. The crucial difference was that, whilst he may have been homosexual in orientation, he was not in action. He respected the teachings of Jesus and did not have sexual relations outside of marriage.

Anything less than a defrocking and, if necessary, an expulsion from the Church of England would be a big mistake on the part of the church hierarchy. If these three will not repent then expulsion may be a necessary path. It does not matter how the service "felt". What matters is what the Bible has to say on the subject and the condemnation of homosexual sex in the Bible is clear and unambiguous. It is not a condemnation of homosexuals as people, but of their actions.

Many will argue that when the Bible was written homosexuality was an unknown and that the writers of the Bible were naive about it. Those people forget what happened in ancient Greece, where much of the New Testament occurred. Homosexuality was embedded in that culture, if anything more so than it is embedded in present-day culture.

Dr Dudley and those he "married" are perfectly free to hold the views they hold, and so they should be. What they are not free of is the consequences of their actions. Their actions are not consistent with members of the priesthood and are not consistent with being a Christian.

davidould
17 June 2008 at 23:27

It's really a matter of integrity, isn't it? If Rev Dudley can't keep to the discipline of the church within which he was ordained then that is his decision and, in good conscience, he should stick to it.

But it's not an honourable thing to continue to want to draw a salary by holding a position while at the same time repudiating the institutional requirements of that position.

So, I'm all for honesty and integrity - so let' s have some from Father Dudley. If you can't keep the CofE guidelines then have the integrity to resign. Otherwise it's just plain deceit.

Neale Adams
18 June 2008 at 01:16

What gets me is the great hypocrisy of some English. Hundreds or is it thousands of gay and lesbian couples have been blessed in "private" ceremonies in the C of E for years. Now it is done, for once, in public, and all hell breaks loose. What is going on here? Is there really an objection to asking God's blessing? Or is it a desire to continue to discriminate?

davidp_newton
18 June 2008 at 07:57

"What is going on here? Is there really an objection to asking God's blessing? Or is it a desire to continue to discriminate?"

What is going on here is a confrontation with those who would break fundamental teachings of Christianity. They can ask for God's blessing all they want, but they will not get it. Those private ceremonies were just as wrong as this public one. The fact that they were held in private indicates that those taking part in the ceremonies and those conducting the ceremonies knew they were wrong under church doctrine.

The desire is to make sure that people follow the teachings of Jesus. Where those teachings conflict with the lifestyle chosen by people who profess to be Christians then they should be called on it. The discrimination is not against the people concerned, it is against their actions. That is a distinction which many people cannot fathom but it is a very important one.

Homosexuals have a place in the Christian church as full members of it. People who do not have a place in the Christian church are those who will not repent their wrongs (sins). Sex outside of marriage is something which is wrong in the eyes of Christian doctrine and so those who profess to be Christians but continue to engage in sex outside of marriage do not have a place in the Christian church because they refuse to repent. Since marriage, by definition for Christians, is between a man and a woman, any homosexual sex will be outside of marriage and thus a sin.

Many Christian churches, particularly the Church of England, have been too reluctant to confront heretics and hypocrites in their ranks. I hope the Church of England does not fail this time.

Robert Powell
18 June 2008 at 09:16

Yes and no doubt you kill your neighbour if you catch him working on a Sunday and you eschew garments of mixed cloth. The reality of this is that reactionary people hide behind an 'unarguable' truth in order to force their rather nasty, ungenerous social agenda on others. Literalists who read the Bible as a whole text rather than the compilation of books that it really is are rejecting their greatest gift (and here I'm being generous) their ability to think for themselves. Remember that the make-up of the Bible - what was in, what was out - was still being decided well after it was written. People who hate the sin very quickly come to hate the sinner. David, where are you from because it also says in Leviticus that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations.

adam.richards
18 June 2008 at 11:31

It's time for Anglican's to split. Those who bless these unholy unions do not, can not and will not listen. There is not point arguing or even speaking to them, if they ignore Jesus' Spirit, they are certainly not going to listen to the arguments of men. Just forget about those who no longer want to listen to Jesus and preach the great news of Jesus forgiveness in his death and resurrection.

Robert Powell
18 June 2008 at 11:49

Yes love just oozes from your every pore, Adam. I may be wrong but I'm betting you're projecting your own inability to listen on to everyone else. "They won't agree with me - then let them rot."

Robert Powell
18 June 2008 at 11:52

I'm just off to stone anyone who curses or blasphemes in line with a literal interpretation of the bible...

IUBM
18 June 2008 at 13:00

may i suggest that some people purchase a copy of John Richardson's ' 'What God has made clean: if we can eat prawns why is gay sex wrong?' - published by the Good Book Company - it is simple enough for you to understand and i beleive it may help explain some of the false, naive and simplistic interpretations/applications of the OT Law suggested by some of the above.

Robert Powell
18 June 2008 at 14:40

Or you could just look up Acts 10. You'll have to excuse me I'm just off to consort with vicar's daughter. Let's hope they don't find out... for as it says in the Bible: "And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." A humane and just response.

junitha
18 June 2008 at 14:56

If I am committed to Jesus' imperative to love God, love my neighbour, love myself as I am, then how can I justify distinguishing between loving my homosexual neighbour and loving my heterosexual neighbour? It is not for me to distinguish or judge. It is for me to love. A sinner I am; a sinner I have been; a sinner I likely shall be until this mortal life's end - the specifics of the sinfulness are only relevant to God ... not anyone else. Is loving another sinful? Is physically expressing that love with a consenting adult sinful? Is it important in God's eyes what gender that person is? Which words in the Bible pass God's litmus-test? Women cut their hair and don't wear head covering while in church; men eat pork and bacon; keeping slaves is no longer condoned by developed countries and so it goes. Each can find "proof" in the Bible of their position on just about any subject. Is it important to be certain whether a small boy fed 3,000 or 5,000 or is it sufficient to know that 'love happened' that day? Is it important to be certain that when two men or two women publically profess their love for one another they are sexually active in their bedroom or is it enough to know that 'love is shared'. The first couple who received a marriage license in California yesterday were in their 80's. A monogamous lesbian couple whose love for one another cannot be denied by human beings. Clearly the love they share is blessed by God - whether human beings "approve" or not.

chrism
18 June 2008 at 15:27

As an ex-gay the biggest prejudice I have recieved from the Liberals who claim to accept everyone but do not. May be Martin Dudley and his supporters need to listen to those who have studdied the scientific papers and believe that homosexuality is not inborn and that people can change. Mr Dudley's willingness to do this ceremony shows a lack of respect for the whole of the Anglican communion as it goes through the listening process, and shows that he is not doing what he calls his opponents to do - he is not listening to voices that disagree.

As for those who can find Scriptures to support lesbian and gay relationships - only with imaginative rewriting worthy of J K Rowling and other best selling authors.

James
18 June 2008 at 16:29

"As for those who can find Scriptures to support lesbian and gay relationships - only with imaginative rewriting worthy of J K Rowling and other best selling authors."

I (thankfully) do not claim to be all-accepting.

This article is sure to bring an unwanted element to these pages. Which is made up of those who assume 1. there is a conscious diety 2. he gives blessings or damnation or whatever and 3. can only be communed with through large buerocratic organisations. All of which I am FINE with. BUT when these same people have the audacity to presume what God does or does not want and who is and is not worthy of his blessing I am not accepting.

The only thing anyone can be sure of is that they are thinking and feeling. Everything else is open to debate. So, logically, its better to act on certainties around how we feel for one another than to act on theories with little corrobarative evidence.

Cybertiger
19 June 2008 at 04:30

My partner and I congratulate you on an enlightened attitude. Thanks!

Cybertiger
19 June 2008 at 04:31

Erm sorry, my partner wrote that... Please ignore it! We haven't come out yet. In fact, let's just pretend you didn't see it!

Viscount Firm
19 June 2008 at 09:06

Can I just say that you've made an Old Etonian turned heterosexual very happy

mtm83
19 June 2008 at 10:20

One question presents itself; what exists that is capable of claiming authority over Dr. Dudley's subjectivity?

Whilst Dr. Dudley no doubt truly believes his response to be a faithful Christian response to a difficult pastoral situation, it would yet be disingenuous to claim that the Christian gospel is a one-way street of acceptance and not also a call toward obedience to the Word of God.

Accepted, quite whose authority, in these circumstances, faithfully discerns the Word of God is precisely what is at issue (a peculiarly Protestant problem) - but down such blind alleys do false preachers congregate, for unless one can submit to a higher authority that seeks to uphold Christian law, then pastoral love and protection can only ever drift away from confidence in the ethical and moral standards that Jesus himself commanded. John 8:11, Jesus said to the sinful woman 'I do not condemn you' - very important, and precisely the impulse Dr. Dudley is seeking to promote, and rightly so - but he also said 'Go now, and leave your life of sin', which demonstrates the importance of the framework of law within which notions of sin are situated.

Lastly, it is dishonest it seek (as Dr. Dudley does not tend to do quite so explicitly as certain others allied to his cause) to permit the actions of a few on the grounds that in so performing those actions they are persectued. Whilst the anti-homosexual lobby certainly need to uphold the tolerance and love of the Gospel in their debate, the pro-homosexual lobby cannot use the act of unjust persecution as sufficient grounding for the subsequent legitimisation of that act. If individuals do something wrong and are persecuted for it then undoubtedly the persecutors are preaching a form of Christiantiy alien to the love of Jesus: but that does not somehow legitimate the initial act, nor blunten the call for a change of behaviour.

Robert Powell
19 June 2008 at 11:06

Jesus said to the sinful woman. 'I do not condemn you ... now leave your life of sin.' Yup no judgement there whatsoever mtm83. And in being obedient to the word of god do you also observe the rule that you may not approach the altar of God if you have a defect in your sight? Where does that leave the Archbish and the rest of the speccy clergy or is that a piece of obedience you let slide?

mtm83
19 June 2008 at 11:25

The point I'm trying to make Mr. Powell is that the notion of law is not alien to the notion of love, and picking out cultural peculiarities does not weaken that sentiment (surely not even the most ardent of the pro-homosexuality lobby could genuinely claim that the issue of homosexuality - a serious issue in nearly all societies throughout history, Christian or otherwise - can be reduced to the level of cultural peculiarity). I don't intend to place judgement upon any practicing homosexual, as I have enough sins of my own to contend with before trying to iron out anyone else's, and nor would I ever claim practicing homosexuals are undeserving of pastoral support and love. What I am suggesting is that pastoral support and love need not equate with legitimisation of any particular act, any more than I expect the excessive pride or gossiping to which I confess to be legitimated when I seek forgiveness. The love of the gospel is not blunted by the law that frames it.

mtm83
19 June 2008 at 11:38

What I ought to have said, to support the initial point I was trying to make, is that it seems unhelpful in trying to determine genuinely Christian practice by taking an approach to Scripture that says either a) you must accept it all, with all the peculiarities it contains, or else b) if you don't then everything is up for discussion. It seems to me that in this position an arbiter is needed that, as a collective body of the faithful, can claim authority over the earnestness of subjective opinion. It is precisely here that Church authority must come to the fore, lest Scripture become a complex fudge, able to refute everything and permit everything all at the same time.

James
19 June 2008 at 12:03

mtm83: "surely not even the most ardent of the pro-homosexuality lobby could genuinely claim that the issue of homosexuality... can be reduced to the level of cultural peculiarity... What I am suggesting is that pastoral support and love need not equate with legitimisation of any particular act."

1. I doubt that many homosexuals see their sexuality as a cultural peculiarity. Culture is the intellectual dimension of social activity and thanks to Freud we accept that sexuality plays a role in socio-cultural construction. But this makes homosexuality a phenomenon, not a peculiarity; in the same way that machosim is a phenomenon, or racism, or monotheism. It is constructed on the wants and needs of individuals interacting in groups just like anything else.

2. You assume that homosexuality requires legitimisation. This premise is not sound. pastoral love is NOT the basis for social construction and therefore whatever it does or does not legitimise is beside the point. Whilst you, and maybe many many others my need to legitimise (or not) people's actions; there remains the there are other non-moral factors in the creation of society and individuals. Morality is a fluid ever changing social discourse that should never be used as the basis for comment on the lives of others.

mtm83
19 June 2008 at 12:23

At the risk of turning this into a personal forum for our disagreement I will make this my final post, and thank you for your interaction;

1. I do not see homosexuality as a cultural peculiarity. That is precisely my point. And so the 'speccy clergy' argument is quite irrelevant.

2. You are quite right in what you say about 'social construction', if you confine it to the abstract and secular. However, the point we are concerned with is specifically 'Christian' practice, and its contribution to 'social construction' as you call it, and what form that contribution should take. In this sense there is a 'Christian' morality, quite distinct and in many cases quite radical, that gains its authority from something other than the indigenous prejudices and taboos of any particular society.

Robert Powell
19 June 2008 at 12:41

How noble of you to help yourself to the last word mtm83. I think the point I'm making - and I flatter myself I communicate slightly more clearly than you but then my thinking isn't quite as muddled - is that I'm amused that literalists point the finger at more moderate Christians and say they aren't the real deal because they don't accept the word of god as a whole. The hypocrisy of this, of course, is that there are all sorts of curious rules pertaining to behaviour which these same people choose to ignore. Now you can't pick and choose and then blame others for doing the same. That's my point. Fair enough if you want to believe that homosexuality is a sin based on a series of books that were amalgamated a number of years ago and presented as one by people who had a definite political agenda. But don't tell me that people who hate the sin will fail to end up hating the sinner or bothering them until they change.

Jonty Stang
19 June 2008 at 22:07

Robert's words reminds me of a piece from his namesake Robert Fisk in the Independent this week, writing about Iraq today:

The madness is summed up in an email message sent to Van Kesteren by a Baghdad Iraqi. "This summer," he wrote, "a workman wanted to quench his thirst by putting ice in his tea. A car pulled up, the driver stepped out and began to beat and kick the man, cursing him as an unbeliever. 'What do you think you're doing? Did the Prophet Mohamed put ice in his water?'

The man being attacked was furious and asked his assailant: 'Do you think the Prophet Mohamed drove a car?'"

Utilitarian
20 June 2008 at 06:58

There seems to be some misapprehension here that Rev'd Dudley has broken some crucial rule. So far as I can tell he has not violated any church law, although he has chosen to ignore the 'guidelines' provided by the CofE bishops. This is rather an important point, I think, and it cuts to the nub of what kind of a Church structure we are. Roman Catholics often see the structural looseness of the Church of England - which this episode so clearly demonstrates - as a point of weakness. I rather see it as a source of strength. We are bound by a communion of love, not of the law or of rigid hierarchies mediating central power. Consequently, when there is an issue like this which does not relate to the central tenets of church doctrine or the historic creeds of the Anglican faith, it makes sense for each Anglican to follow his or her own conscience on the matter with respect and compassion for those members of the body who, in good conscience, disagree.

redtakesy
20 June 2008 at 14:49

I'm not Christian, nor gay, and I don't agree with absolutely everything you say (perhaps relating to the firmness of the belief that marriage has to be a man and a woman). But these are minor niggles, this is an outstanding piece of writing to justify taking a brave stand for love and equality. It really brightened my day,

martin sewell
20 June 2008 at 17:29

I think there is either naivity or a certain arrogance about Dr Dudley's position in this matter.

Whatever one's position on gay "marriage" , there is a difference between a priest of the Church of England developing the theology and seeking to bring others along with him to a point where the Communion comes to share his understanding, and the taking of a unilateral and provocative course of action which inevitably thrusts his Bishop into the most invidious of positions.

It is not a parish priest's role to embark upon "experimentation" on such an important issue.

He claims not to have wanted any notoriety and yet he plainly has a number of high minded colleagues any one of whom could have predicted the unhappy consequences. He chose not to take the counsel of his Bishop and the reason is surely plain. He knows he would have been told not to do this.

In his current presentation, he is either dishonest or a fool.

To airily imply that the controversy has come as a surprise to him is disingenuous in the extreme.

Dr Dudley surely knew what he was doing. The news media knew that it was significant. It was the first time that such an event had happened in this form. By presiding over it, he is effectively saying that he is braver,wiser and more in tune with the Holy Spirit than

any Priest before.

That is a big claim - and might just be above his pay grade.

As his Bishop has told him, St Bartholemew the Great is not his presonal fiefdom. He is there under the authority of his Church to whom he owes loyalty and a duty of courtesy and consideration.

In the substance of the matter he may be right, he may be wrong. What he cannot claim is that he is following the traditions of teh Church to whom he owes temporal loyalty.

The honourable thing would be for him to resign and pursue his vocation unconstrained by the tradition that is now so plainly now irksome to him

pappy
20 June 2008 at 17:30

"I am clear that marriage is between a man and a woman..."

As a Yank I don't know any of the underlying politics here, but this statement itself seems totally inconsistant with the service Dudley performed.

Natacha Lees
20 June 2008 at 17:59

It seems to me that the issue at stake here is the authority of God, and by extension, His Word (the Bible). Liberal Christians have invoked a cultural interpretation of the Word, using the examples of Old Testament methods of worship (what to wear, what to sacrifice, what to eat, etc.) to bolster their arguments that much of the Bible is "out of date" and must be filtered through a 21st-century perspective. Would that be a fair assessment, Robert, from your position as a moderate?

What then, if I may be permitted to present another view, in the spirit of inclusivity which liberal Christians espouse, of the coming of Christ and his dying for all our sins - as a New Covenant which fulfilled the promises of the Old Testament? Galatians 3: 23-29 clearly points out that the old law was a guide, a safekeeping, until Christ came to us. Our faith in Jesus Christ and our choice to accept Him as Lord and Saviour above all else will make us right with God - not our feelings, not our culture, not our actions. Anything else is a watering down of the message of Christ, in order to make it more palatable in a socially conscious world.

Consider this: If I cannot follow the teachings of Christ (including the nature of all sin, whether it be theft, sex outside of marriage, hatred, idolatry, etc.), the truth of the Spirit-breathed Word, and the ultimate authority of God, than am I truly a Anglican, or indeed a Christian? Or must I define myself as something else?

No one, least of all Jesus himself, says being a Christian is easy. And none of us has all the answers, for we are only human. But he has given his Word, the Bible, as a foundation for our belief, along with his Holy Spirit. I would ask anyone with questions on this matter, whether you consider yourself moderate or orthodox or non-Christian, to read first the book of Galatians, and then the other books of the Old and New Testament. Be free to ask questions, to debate with others, and to ask for understanding and wisdom.

But if you are truly sincere in your faith as a Christian, examine your beliefs and compare them to Christ's words, not just his actions...

Thanks.

David C
21 June 2008 at 03:40

I find it unacceptable for what Mr. Dudley has done. If the homosexual partners want to have their interpretation of the 21st Century Bible's definition of marriage, they can conduct their celebtration in their own house.

Why perform such act in the Church, which was built for Christian observing the Words, Authority, and traditions of the Bible as written? Trying to inflct the anger of our Lord?

I am even disturbed that an experienced Anglican priests with years of pastoralship can confuse his understanding of the Bible with the laws and society changes. Adam and Eve came together as planned by God and not by choice of each other. What Mr. Dudley did was to challenge the fundamental Christian teachings.

As an Anglican myself, I am deeply ashamed by Mr. Dudley. If he really wants his version of biblical teachings or invent one of his own, please leave the Church of England and have his own will.

No wonder why so many people leaves the Anglican Chruch and joins the Catholics Church in England. At least the Catholics are more conscious to pay due respect to our Lord.

kairos
21 June 2008 at 10:12

The Bishops of the Church in England (and indeed Wales) have only offered Guidelines for clergy to refer to when dealing with the question of the blessing of civil partnerships. It's interested that in the Church in Wales the Bishops issued a statement that offered a muted welcome of civil partnerships, they went on to say that the Church in Wales would not be producing a formal liturgy for the blessing of relationships, the inference being that clergy could come up with their own. That's both the problem and the beauty with Anglican guidelines: they often lay themselves open to inference and interpreation. Sadly, in situations like this the Bishops will often re-interpret their guidelines as if they intended them to be firm rules. Might it not be better for the Bishops to simply state "All clergy must not bless Civil Partnerships" full stop if that is what they intend, rather than page after page of guidelines and loopholes and lack of clarity. I'd disagree if they did, of course!

Keith Gillard
22 June 2008 at 11:44

Some of the major issues that Dr. Dudley and his ilk cannot seem to grasp is that Jesus came to fulfil the scriptures not cancel them. The basic understanding required here is that if you love God and Christ you wouldn't want to ignore or debase the Word of God.

I would suppose that when it comes to 'though shalt not kill' the minister is quite happy to hide behind the Ten Commandments as a conscientious objector. Given in the old testament as instruction from God, the same old testament that declares that 'men who lie with men as a woman are an abomination to God', this was still the case in the new testament as taught by Paul. The other thing Dr. Martin should understand is that if you must be a homosexual then you cannot be accepted as a child of God. In the Anglican church of Anything Goes today, I suppose the next step on the way to perversion is Child Abuse like the clergy in the Catholic Communion. Just what is more impotant to you Dr. Dudley God or perversion and If you do believe that the God of the Hebrews and our heavenly Father who art in heaven, I strongly recommend you read the Bible again because when you and your ilk do face God, you aint gonna like it.

Ron McKeown
23 June 2008 at 22:47

pappy - 20 June 2008 at 17:30 makes a point that I agree with.

I am not opposed to people of the same sex having relationships where they want their commitment to each other publicly recognised but in using the term “Marriage” they are denying me, a heterosexual with 42 years of marriage already and still going strong, my right to my perceived sexual orientation. When I say I am married I want people to understand that I am unequivocally heterosexual. To hijack the term marriage for same sex relationships denies me a civil right that has persisted for centuries. How can a group of people decide that my sexual identity can be stolen in this way without considering my feelings and the feelings of millions of others like me? Gay rights should not remove my rights.

Martin Dudley
23 June 2008 at 23:12

There is a certain fascination in being talked about, in the third person, as if I am not there, with so many people wanting to offer me advice or condemnation. I am here and like the people I blessed I am due the consideration and concern due to another human being, because of being human, because of being made in the image of God. I am grateful to, and humbled by, those who offer me support or congratulation. I have only done what my conscience required. The events in Jerusalem seem to show, if we can believe press reports - and I am very very hesitant about believing anything in the press - that African episcopal attitudes are sio homophobic that we have every reason to fear and reject them. Nevertheless, the blessing of David and Peter was not a political act, nor a deliberate act of defiance, and I shall not resign.

Natacha Lees
25 June 2008 at 18:19

Mr. Dudley,

You say that "the blessing of David and Peter was not a political act, nor a deliberate act of defiance." This, if you'll pardon me for saying so, seems a bit disingenuous. Any same-sex marriage is, by the very nature of our Western culture's obsession with sexual politics, a political statement. And by all accounts, this "ceremony" was a large, elaborate affair, which implies some degree of planning and... deliberation? Furthermore, performing the ceremony without advising your superiors that you were going to do so, or asking for their permission, smacks of defiance, especially when one considers that the official and majority Anglican position on same-sex blessings does not permit them under any circumstance. If I were to do something like this at my place of employment, without apology or shame, I would be severely disciplined - or sacked.

For the record, I am a Canadian Anglican, who is closely following the events of this week and the upcoming Lambeth conference. I would encourage all members of the leadership in the Church to be wary of hypocrisy and dishonesty... these days, the world is watching all of us very carefully.

nawawimohamad
27 June 2008 at 11:31

Gay relationship and marriage are absurd. Couple of same sexes do not and can never compliment each other and can never make their lives complete. Even the marriage between two different sexes can go awry at times it is therefore impossible for gay couples to live happily ever after.

In is a sign of a downfall of civilisation starting with the society that condones gay mariages. The precedent is set to ultimately condone every wish and desire of the human beings. It won't be surprising that incest will then be legalised and some wierd, crazy or simply lunatic clergypersons will then bless the marriage between siblings. The next phenomenon will be marriage between humans and animals (e.g a woman and a dog), the list can go on.

David C
28 June 2008 at 15:17

Mr. Dudley,

As an Anglican rector with so many years of pastoral experience, you words are supposed to lead people to God. Because you are the salt and light of the people who does not believe, your act should be consistent with the value setforth by our Lord written in the Holy Bible.

However, what you have done has severely vilated the system that our Lord has built for us.

Firstly from Genesis 2:24 -- just in case you have forgotten all about them -- that "A Man will leave his father and monther and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh". Your blessing of same sex civil partnership in the Church of God is completely denouncing the rule of man creation.

Not least, in Leviticus 20:13 -- again I guess that you have substituted your words for the Words of Bible -- that "If a Man lies with a Man as one lies with woman, both of them has done what is detestable."

Again, Jesus came here to "Fulfill the Law" according to Matthews 5:17, not to abolish them. Your believe that "Jesus will sit in the ceremony and celebrate for the partners" is simply ridiculous.

Whether you resign or not is not my concern but more of the Anglican Church. But as a Christian, your act has simply taken faith away from Christianity, and causing Anglican Church to be a punch line of those who did not believe.

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