The NS Interview: Ahdaf Soueif, Egyptian author and activist

“The Islamist experience is one that we have to go through”

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Why do you write your fiction in English, and journalism in both Arabic and English?
English was the language I first read in as a child. My mother’s library was English literature, so, by the time I came to write, my literary speaking voice was in English. In the last year, I’ve written a column in Arabic. That’s been a discovery, and I don’t think it would have happened without the revolution.

What impact will the revolution have on creative life in Egypt?
There’s a tremendous flowering of the immediately responsive part of art. So far, it’s poetry and song, music, a lot of graffiti and immediate, plastic-type art, and stand-up comedy. For bigger stuff, ie, the novel, it will take time.

Will the revolution affect Arab fiction?
In Egypt, the novel has for so long been concerned with events. In the last few years, we’ve had novels that were descriptions of dystopia – if nothing changes, it is dark, a nightmare. The novel is connected with life, and what’s been happening will be reflected in it.

What is the role of the writer in the revolutionary context?
The role of the poet is obvious, because the thing that unites all the factions is a poem or a song. Many of us fiction writers are writing columns. You can [express] things in a different way from political analysts. Your job is to articulate, to advocate, to inspire.

Do you see yourself mainly as a fiction writer, an activist or a journalist?
At heart, I would say fiction writer, but it’s been 12 years since I’ve written any fiction and, for those years, I have been an activist.

Will you fictionalise the revolution?
I had a novel that was on the go and I put it to one side, but I want to pick it up again. It will be interesting to see whether it takes in what has happened.

What was your experience of writing the book?
What was really hard was staying home and writing rather than being out on the streets.

The young people in your family were also involved in the revolution.
All out there. They are the real revolutionaries, my son, my nephew, my nieces, everybody.

Have you always been interested in politics?
I was brought up on politics, and I’ve been participating in terms of activism in writing since forever, but it’s only been since the revolution that any of us has been able to participate fully.

Do you see the revolution being completed?
It’s a process, it’s continuing. We managed to force the regime to sacrifice the head, but the [rest] is there. The revolution is much more varied; it’s scattered, but it’s there. What we want is so big, so all-encompassing, so radical, that this is the new way of life for a while.

Is it the place of western governments to worry about Islamism in Egypt?
Western governments should stay out of things. They have done so much damage, it surprises us how they have the gall to comment. They have failed to deliver the societies people want. The world is looking for a new model.

What do you think of the Muslim Brotherhood?
The Islamist experience is one that we have to go through. Parts of the Brotherhood were there for the poor when nobody else was. They have more credibility than others. For a long time, they were the only opposition. Now they have been elected. You either accept democracy or you don’t.

How are they doing in power?
They’re not used to operating in the light; they are used to being underground. It’s very different being in power, where you have to follow your words with deeds. Whether they will learn, we don’t know. They haven’t done well.

What is the situation for women since the revolution?
Women were very careful to say that they were taking part in the revolution as citizens. Social problems such as harassment on the streets, and so on, vanished during the 18 days. They’re back now. What is new is the way that women respond. There’s graffiti, stickers, women taking self-defence classes, so the fightback is on.

What impact has the Egyptian Revolution had on Palestine?
In Gaza, you can see clearly what Egypt should do. It should stop acting as [the Palestinians’] jailer and it should stop being Israel’s thug. It’s one of the things that people are looking for in the new president. The whole Egypt-Israel relationship has to be recalibrated.

Is there anything you’d rather forget?
I don’t think it’s right to forget things.

Do you vote?
Yes, I do.

Are we all doomed?
Absolutely not!

Defining moments

1950 Born in Cairo, Egypt
1992 Publishes her first novel, In the Eye of the Sun
1999 Her second novel, The Map of Love, is shortlisted for the Booker Prize
2008 Founds and chairs the Palestinian Festival of Literature
2011 Wins Cavafy Award
2012 Bloomsbury publishes Cairo: My City, Our Revolution, her personal account of the Arab spring in Egypt

10 comments

MalloryTailor's picture

Let's remind the readers here that Israel gave back the Sinai down to the last inch to Egypt. The same Sinai which your country used as a springboard to conquer the south of Israel. Perhaps Israel can recalibrate the treaty too, and take back some of Sinai inc. the oil fields it developed and Taba too. See you at the recalibration conference! http://www.squidoo.com/best-mixer-reviews

Mrs.Josephine Hyde-Hartley's picture

We should welcome the advent of new ways and means for ordinary public expression anywhere in the world, I think. It's good.

I should imagine our Leveson inquiry going on at the moment should be very interesting to journalists everywhere. One wonders if they can get democracy live website via the BBC in Egypt.

Coleridge's picture

This vile women is full of crap. She has lots of nice things to say about the fascist Moslem Brotherhood. Perhaps she fully supports their attempt to pass legislation permitting necrophilia in Islamist Egypt?

simoned's picture

Seriously, I think Ahdaf Soueif should look at the women being beaten in the streets because they want man to stop harrasing them. egyptian jocuri

dineshkumar99's picture

i like to read your artical

dineshkumar99's picture

i like to read your artical

jankaas's picture

the whole region could benefit from some serious re-calibration, not a single regime/government/administration should escape scrutiny. but these things take time, and rather than allow for events to stabilise yet again the critics are out. for them all that matters is the past, those moments in history when they were trodden on. and again i don't exclude any nation from using that regrettable tactic. they're all at it. this is why the International community must supervise the re-calibration so that it is equitable.
it's that, or, protracted conflict with ever more entrenched positions.

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JJJ's picture

Ahdaf Soueif, you may think that the readers here are ignorant but let me remind you that the Palestinians in Gaza under Nasser were terrrorised. Your country did nothing for the Palestinians beyond use them as a weapon against Israel and this was long before Sadat.
And thanks for the 'recalibration' remark about the peace treaty. Let's remind the readers here that Israel gave back the Sinai down to the last inch to Egypt. The same Sinai which your country used as a springboard to conquer the south of Israel. Perhaps Israel can recalibrate the treaty too, and take back some of Sinai inc. the oil fields it developed and Taba too. See you at the recalibration conference!

Recalibrate, my ar*se.

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