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Speech! Speech!

Alan Watkins

Published 11 December 2008

Oratory helped secure the presidency for Barack Obama and saved Gordon Brown's premiership. Alan Watkins explains the art of wooing the party faithful while ten distinguished commentators choose their personal favourites

Courtly, aristocratic, a frozen face: Douglas-Home “was not supposed to be a contender”

Speech! Speech!

People say that they remember conference speeches. What really happens later on, often long after the event, is that they remember isolated sentences, even phrases. David Steel said in September 1981: "Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government." It was not at the Liberal conference proper but at an evening rally to celebrate the inauguration of the Liberal-SDP Alliance. This is now taken as a demonstration of foolish Liberal optimism. But at the time the new Conservative government was discredited. According to the opinion polls, the Alliance looked like being the largest party.

His predecessor Jo Grimond said at Brighton in the 1963 assembly (as it was called in those days) that he intended to march his troops towards the sound of gunfire. They were a notably pacific lot but were much encouraged, although the party ended up with only nine MPs in the following year's general election.

Harold Wilson dominated domestic politics for over a decade. His speech on science and socialism at Scarborough in 1963 turned Labour into the optimistic party that was certain to win the election. The "white heat of the technological revolution" is inexact: the phrases were "the scientific revolution" and "the white heat of this revolution".

The then deputy political correspondent of the Daily Express, later editor of the Times, Charles Douglas-Home, sitting in the gallery, rose from his seat and applauded loudly. His senior colleague sitting beside him pulled him down by his coat-tails and told him, as gently as he could, that this was no way for a political journalist to behave.

Wilson has fallen out of fashion. For a whole succession of conferences, he carried the audience enthusiastically with him. He was required - or chose - to make two speeches. One was supposed to be a reply to the "parliamentary report". The other was the leader's oration. Edward Heath in opposition introduced the two-speech practice in his own party, but it was not so successful as it was with Wilson.

The leader is now restricted to one big speech, and quite right, too. Even so, with Labour the speech comes halfway through the proceedings. The delegates prefer to devote the rest of the week to their hangovers; the Tory representatives are able to get their drinking done first. It is anticlimactic but Hugh Gaitskell, after all, made his "fight, fight and fight again" speech at the beginning of the conference at Scarborough in 1960.

Everyone now says that Gaitskell was defending the position of the independent nuclear deterrent. In spirit, he was. But party policy at the time, on which he had fought the 1959 election, was to embrace the non-nuclear club. His opposition to the Common Market (as it then was) at Brighton in 1962 was, if anything, clearer. It was "the end of a thousand years of history". Most people have forgotten that.

The other speaker who is now overlooked is Iain Macleod, though he was not disregarded then. His oratorical function, a revived Labour in opposition, was to bring comfort to the troops: "Lift up your hearts . . . the Liberals may dream their dreams. The socialists" - this pronounced with particular venom - "may scheme their schemes. We have work to do." And in 1964, the Tories nearly won.

Peregrine Worsthorne

Stanley Baldwin during the Westminster by-election campaign, March 1931

Beaverbrook and Rothermere had been attacking Baldwin in a vicious campaign to remove him as leader of the Conservative Party. Baldwin's speech attempted to persuade people that we shouldn't allow tabloid newspaper owners - who are, after all, unelected officials - to determine the course of the political debate, claiming that they were seeking "power without responsibility - the prerogative of the harlot through the ages".

Baldwin's words represented an absolutely deadly attack on the press barons. The speech stripped them completely naked for everyone to see and it was all the more effective because it was couched in personal terms: not as an abstraction but as a personal attack on two well-known figures.

Although I was then only a schoolboy, I remember the speech very well. People never saw the proprietors in the same light again, and Baldwin's words still have relevancy. That phrase, "power without responsibility", is hung around the neck of the press barons even today. If Murdoch comes out against Brown in the next election, no doubt the phrase will be trotted out again.

The speech was written by his cousin Rudyard Kipling, which explains its rhetorical power. It was unusual because Baldwin usually used very mellow, reasonable language - he very rarely adopted such aggressive phrases, unlike other great orators like Nye Bevan. He was a peacemaker. But, in this instance, he used a phrase which still reverberates today.

Michael Foot

Aneurin Bevan on the NHS in the House of Commons, February 1948

For about 20 years or so, Nye Bevan was the absolute master of the House of Commons. There was one particular occasion when the bill to create the National Health Service was going through the Commons. Nye as minister of health was facing opposition from the doctors in the British Medical Association and the Tories, so he challenged his opponents to a debate in the House of Commons and absolutely slayed them. It was a crucial turning point in the history of the Labour movement: the Tories thought they could destroy Nye and the whole idea of the NHS, but he saw them off.

Nye was the best debater the House of Commons ever had because, as he put it, he always went for the strongest part of his opponent's argument rather than the weakest. He would describe the case for the other side and then absolutely tear it apart.

In 1960, conference was thought to be the ultimate decision-making body of the Labour Party. Hugh Gaitskell, the party leader, faced defeat by the unilateralists, who had formed an unholy alliance with those who wanted to get rid of him because he was too right-wing.

Gaitskell turned on his accusers. They had no right, he said, to undermine the autonomy of the parliamentary party. Those on the right were just as entitled to consciences as those on the left. He vowed to "fight, fight and fight again" to save the party he loved.

Gaitskell lost the vote but won the argument, impressing himself on the country as a leader of courage and honesty. He would have become prime minister in 1964, probably with a majority larger than Harold Wilson's, but for his untimely death in January 1963.

Gaitskell was a revisionist and a precursor of new Labour. He sought a party in thrall neither to ancient doctrines of public ownership nor to modern doctrines of unregulated markets. But social democracy is a creed permanently in need of revision. Can Gordon Brown become the Gaitskell of today, by adapting new Labour to the era of financial crisis? The future of the party depends upon the answer to this question.

Peter Preston

Alec Douglas-Home at Conservative conference, Blackpool, October 1963

Blackpool 1963 was my first party conference stint for the Guardian. But where was the em battled prime minister of the day, Supermac, the one in the super Profumo soup? He was ill, supposedly gravely so, in a bed far away: and his job was there for the taking. One by one the would-be Tory leaders made their big pitches, knowing they would be anointed by acclamation.

But Reggie Maudling, the chancellor in the nifty suit, was a TV man: he seemed to shrink on a bare Winter Gardens stage. Rab Butler, the intellectual, the reformer, the home secretary in a crumpled suit, gave a mumbling, crumpled address. He seemed dog-tired, careworn: not the chap to revive a struggling government. That needed Lord Hailsham, the party chairman who rang bells and bellowed easy nostrums, surely? But he overdid it, too histrionic, too much of a cartoon figure to carry the day.

So then there was none (or rather one who didn't count, the Earl of Home, a courtly, aris tocratic foreign secretary with no evident electioneering skills and a frozen face). Alec Home wasn't supposed to be a contender, merely a gent. He stood there, stick thin, and told the Conservative ranks how the prime minister was faring, how they should send him all their best wishes, how they needed to be calm at this time of test.

And when it was over, on the reporting table, you knew something momentous had happened: that the Tories, in distress, would turn - absurdly, wholly unexpectedly - to a belted earl who conveyed simple integrity, simple loyalty and simple calm to them. He was the contender who never thought of the prize - and got it because he wouldn't have dreamed of competing for it. A speech without histrionics, policies or much in the way of content: but a speech where sheer old-fashioned niceness won the day briefly for a party that still thought of itself as nice.

Norman Lamont

Keith Joseph’s speech on inflation, Preston, September 1974

This was a speech which altered the intellectual climate of British politics in a profound sense. In the period following the Second World War until the 1970s, economic policy was dominated by the view that you couldn't control inflation without political controls on prices and supply. Joseph broke the postwar consensus and argued that inflation should be controlled only by demand and money supply. Although he wasn't the only person making these arguments, his position in the mainstream of the Conservative Party made him the figurehead of a changing climate of opinion.

Joseph was put under huge pressure not to make the speech and rock the boat at a sensitive time, between two elections in 1974. But he was determined the public should be told the truth as he saw it.

Regretfully, I don't believe this kind of intellectually serious speech could be made today: the press simply wouldn't listen. Even at the time, Joseph was dismissed as the "Mad Monk". Yet he was absolutely dedicated to winning the argument, and, despite the mockery, the ideas contained in the speech were slowly adopted by all parties. He gave Margaret Thatcher the intellectual platform upon which to base her policies. Labour continued to denounce Joseph, but Jim Callaghan reflected his influence when he told his party that the option of spending one's way out of a recession no longer existed. He was directly echoing what Joseph had said in the speech.

David Marquand

Roy Jenkins’s 1979 Richard Dimbleby Lecture (“Home Thoughts from Abroad”)

In this speech, Jenkins broke the ultimate taboo in Labour politics at the time by hinting at the possibility of a break from the party. The effect of his call for a new "radical centre" was immense. Suddenly, he was no longer a distant figure brooding in his Brussels eyrie; he was once again a player in the hurly-burly of domestic politics. The eventual result was the Social Democratic Party breakaway from Labour two years later, and the formation of the SDP-Liberal Alliance, which almost overtook the Labour share of the vote in the 1983 general election.

But there is no way of knowing precisely what Jenkins intended when he gave this lecture. Was he determined as early as this to create a third party? I think he hoped a third party would emerge, but did not see his way clear at that stage. What finally convinced him, I believe, was the extraordinary public response to the lecture, which he could not have anticipated before he delivered it. But no one can be certain what was going on in that complex, fascinating mind.

What is clear is that, in his two years as president of the European Commission, Jenkins had viewed the swing to the left in the Labour Party and the rise of the right in the Conservative Party with mounting horror. When he looked across the Channel he saw a Labour Party that seemed to be falling under the control of a militant left which hated everything he held dear, and a Conservative Party that seemed bent on tearing up the postwar settlement that had framed his political career ever since his entry into parliament in 1948.

As he watched all this from afar, I think he felt guilty that he hadn't done more to resist the rise of the far left in Labour while he was still at Westminster and gradually came to believe that it was his duty to fight for his values, if necessary by breaking with the party. The "Home Thoughts from Abroad" lecture was a signal that he was now prepared to do this - a toe dipped in the water to see how much support he would gather.

Anthony Howard

Neil Kinnock on Militant, 1985 Labour conference, Bournemouth

Contrary to popular orthodoxy, party splits can sometimes work in favour of the leader. In the aftermath of the miners' strike and the increasing influence of the Militant Tendency, the 1985 Labour conference should have been a disaster for Neil Kinnock (pic tured right), but he turned it into an opportunity to take on the extremists in his party and increase his stature in the nation at large. Kinnock gave off a powerful impression of strength by presenting himself as a Daniel in the lions' den figure, denouncing a Labour council in Liverpool that was "hiring taxis to scuttle around a city handing out redundancy notices to its own workers", as he put it.

In truth, the Labour delegates weren't Kinnock's intended audience: he was appealing beyond the conference hall to the public watching the speech at home. He was presenting himself as a figure willing to sacrifice his popularity among his party's left wing in favour of the national interest. Although Labour lost the next election, Kinnock's speech altered the lay of the land in British politics; David Owen later told me that he knew the SDP was done for after watching this speech.

Peter Jay

Neil Kinnock on Militant

Hugh Gaitskell was in a league completely above everyone else, but after him Neil Kinnock was a great speaker.

The stuff about Kinnock being a windbag is just claptrap. He spoke with a great deal of passion and insight, and I think his speech against the Militant Tendency in 1985 was extraordinarily courageous. There have been unfortunately few occasions when major Labour figures have taken on the knee-jerk reflexes of their party and said straight from the shoulder that what was being said was crap.

I wasn't at the conference myself - I have always agreed with my father, a Labour MP, who warned that there are no experiences more horrific and disagreeable than a Labour conference - but, watching from afar, one could see it was a definitive moment in the history of the party.

The speech profoundly influenced perceptions of Kinnock by those outside the political bubble, making a much wider audience aware that he had the courage and determination to stand up to the loony left, whereas so many Labour leaders had been beholden to it.

More than Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, he completed the process, begun by Hugh Gait skell, of making Labour fit for government. For whatever reason, he didn't personally achieve that, but he turned a corner in making the Labour Party palatable to the British public.

Edwina Currie

Margaret Thatcher in the House of Commons, October 1990

I heard Margaret Thatcher make her "No, no, no" speech in response to the vision of an integrated Europe put forward by Jacques Delors and the European Commission. It was her statement to the House after she came back from the Italian Euro summit in the latter part of 1990. She was not too impressed with the Italians, to say the least, and she was handbagging everyone in sight.

It was a real tub-thumping speech, quite literally - she was banging on the Despatch Box as she spoke, and I thought she might break a nail. And it galvanised the Tory party in the days when the Tories were the pro-European party and Labour were Little Englanders.

However, the speech led directly to the leadership challenge by Sir Geoffrey Howe. He had been her foreign secretary and her chancellor, and they had fallen out. Soon after the speech, Geoffrey stood up in the House and denounced her, and on 1 November he resigned. That led directly to the challenge and then to her defeat.

Thatcher's speech was part of the discussion which eventually led to the Maastricht Treaty, with all the far-reaching consequences that had. At the time the speech was very warmly received, but those of us who were pro-European were sitting on the bench thinking, "No, Margaret, this time you have gone too far."

Shirley Williams

John Major in the Downing Street rose garden, June 1995

The parallels between John Major's situation in 1995 and Gordon Brown's in the summer are extraordinary: Major was right down in the polls, subject to constant leadership speculation in the press and facing disloyalty from his cabinet. On his way to the G7 summit at Halifax, Nova Scotia, he was suffering from the most terrible backache, but he was loath to make it public because he was terrified of the inevitable headline: "Major's got a pain in the neck". So I think when he came back from the G7 he finally decided that he could take it no more.

When the press were called into the Downing Street rose garden he took absolutely everyone by surprise by telling them he was putting his leadership on the line to reassert his authority. "In short," he told the media, "it is time to put up or shut up."

Major's actions gave him his first favourable press coverage for years, and of course he won the subsequent leadership election. Although the Tories were doomed to electoral wipeout in 1997, he managed to hold the party together over the next two years at least.

Suffering from acute physical pain and fed up with the endless backbiting in the press, he had gone beyond calculating the political risks of his actions and didn't care whether he won or lost. It was a courageous measure in desperate times which contains a lesson for the current resident of No 10.

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21 comments from readers

writeon
11 December 2008 at 13:55

But speaking in public isn't hard. It's easy providing one actually has something worth saying. If one hasn't then one has to rely on technique and one can learn that from actors. Big speeches are a form of performance on a stage directed at an audience. Some people are naturally good at this type of thing, others have to learn it. Anybody whose walked the boards or struted their stuff in band, knows how to work a crowd, hostile ones are the best because turnining them and getting them to eat out of your hand is a real challenge for a singer. But making a political speech is even easier. It's less hard work and the crowd expects far less for their money.

There is an awful lot hagiography in these evaluations isn't there? I couldn't stand Thatcher. I shook my head in strained disbelief at the rubbish she was allowed to get away with saying, year after year! Blair I never trusted from the beginning. Lots of his speeches sounded alright, but as soon as one thought about what he actually meant with all those words ones evaluation changed.

I think the article should have been far more critical and dealt with issues of substance not style. How do modern politicians get away with saying so little with so many words? There isn't really very much political content in these examples is there? Or am I missing something? To me they seem very exclusive sounding speeches, very "I" orientated. I the great leader am drawing a circle on the ground and you are either with me or against me type of thing.

I find these kind of speeches faintly totalitarian in nature. There's a gap between the person on the platform and the sea of faces below him, looking up, ready to applaud with all their might. I dislike this "I am the party" stuff intensely.

Blair was a great actor on stage. He really sang his heart out. But he was also an incredible liar, reckless and slightly barmy. Yet for years he got away with it, because he appealed to journalists who didn't know any better.

Carl Jones
11 December 2008 at 15:18

"He appealed to journalist who didnt know any better", come off it "writeon". There can`t be more than 10 good journalists in the entire world, and the NS is very fortunate to have one of them!

writeon
11 December 2008 at 21:21

Carl,

There are more than 10 good journalists in the entire world. There are more than 10 in Britain. I don't actually believe, and this is me aiming for balance and probably failing, that it's the journalist's fault that there's so much junk in the press. Bad newspapers produce bad journalism. Journalist don't set out to write rubbish, unfortunately that's what newspapers ask for. The press is part of the entertainment industry and follows a model that reminds me of Hollywood or Las Vegas.

Carl Jones
11 December 2008 at 22:00

writeon,

I stand by what I say.

amanfromMars
12 December 2008 at 09:34

"It was a courageous measure in desperate times which contains a lesson for the current resident of No 10. "

A lesson lost on residents with no courage but with a reliance on media and journalistic support.

It does beg the question why a SMARTer Media does not lead for Government with a Beta Governance Model. The only logical explanations are that they are either cowed and cuckolded to server what they do or they have no Geater Intelligence of their Own to Deliver and are thus reliant on Third Party Feed.

Titans of the Press or Pussies of Puff Piece.

Carl Jones
12 December 2008 at 16:57

I left it a few days, to see if anyone would raise it. What do you make of Brown`s slip at PMQ`s this week?

Does Brown see himself as saving the world? And what aspect of the world, do you think he was refering to?

amanfromMars
13 December 2008 at 08:20

"Does Brown see himself as saving the world?" ... Carl Jones 12 December 2008 at 16:57

Morning, CJ,

It may be/It is pretty obvious, to even a blind man on a galloping horse that he probably definitely maybe suffers from that delusion, but we all should now know that his vision is permanently badly damaged and thus will always be well below par for leadership.

Maybe that is why there are muttering of bring a blind expert into the fold/back onto the pantomime stage, although trying to live in past, long-gone glory days when lies and/or economies of truth were easily spun to deceive, are history and a shame to consider revisited.

Sadly will Mr Brown/Bean never be a Colossus, for his mark is indelibly made as a hapless walking disaster area ..... remarkably adept at the embarassingly inept.

Camus
14 December 2008 at 14:25

If I have read correctly the last good speech in the UK was in 1995. Rhetoric died (thank heaven) when Churchill finally gave up the ghost. If you want rhetorical finery, go for Churchill. Now, Carl, what is on your mind today? Brown's gaffe? We all make slips of the tongue and he gave us a good laugh - the sentiment is impeccable though isn't it? One of th emost theatrical of speakers was Mussolini - I prefer the staid and tsodgy speeches of a Brown (or, quiet please) Tony Blair.

Carl Jones
14 December 2008 at 19:11

Good points Camus, but look at Bush`speech`s, some are perfect and he puts in well timed smirks. After Katrina, he had nearly a week to prepare, it was awful. But after that West Virgina mass shooting, he had no time to prepare, but he delievered a perfect speech.

I think meny of Bush`s gaffs are deliberate, its part of the NWO excuse for their evil policies. Bush always reads off auto-cue. Brown was using notes and the stop-start nature of PMQ`s leads to a bit of ad-libbing and Brown sliped in "world". I believe this has been taken from one level, one that is much higher than normal public fodder. The banks are the NWO mantra, this is the level which the public think on, in terms of bust banks that must be saved, because if we don`t save them, YOU WILL SUFFER!

Parents do it, boss`s do it and so does Gordon.

writeon
15 December 2008 at 22:36

Bush is neither as stupid, ignorant or inarticulate as people think. In fact his supposed weaknesses are really his strengths. He and his minders didn't want him to appear too slick and well-prepared, like just another politician. They carefully and brilliantly created a down-to-earth persona for him. Changing him from a desolute, spoiled, son of an aristocratic family from back east, into a real man from the west. An ordinary guy one could have around for burgers and a few beers, even though he was on the wagon by this time, but who worries about little details? Certainly not the media, who went along with this elaborate charade, with barely a question raised about authenticity.

Was Bush ever really aware of his role in the whole? I see him as a weak monarch, in the grip of powerful barons, a Prince John like figure, in the clutches of far more ruthless and much cleverer men, who nutured him, groomed and manipulated him, controlling his access to information and using him as mere figurehead.

This could of course be completely wrong. Maybe he's far smarter than all of us? His own mother said he was smart as a fox. What a woman! Heaven help the child in her loving arms!

Carl Jones
15 December 2008 at 23:42

writeon, somewhere in the middle, even his ranch is a presidential prop. But I don`t think Bush is above the criminal conspiracy.

A Cynic
16 December 2008 at 01:38

Hitler and Lenin also were great public speakers; demonstrating that oratorical skills and charismatic personalities can sway millions to believe absolutely anything.

The new messiah, Obama, swayed millions of unthinking voters by saying, albeit very well, absolutely nothing - repeatedly - other than he will seek change What a novel thought. A compliant media, hypnotized by his charisma, fell under his spell, questioning neither his responses nor his complete and total lack of any experience whatsoever.

Abe Lincoln spoke softly, and the audience had to strain to hear him. His speeches are of historical import, but in today's TV-centric society, he would never make it past a country bumbkin lawyer that he was. He was ugly, not charismatic nor even a good public speaker. His country mannerisms and aphorisms were interpreted by the east coast elites of his day as evidence of his stupidity and ignorance. The press routinely excoriated the "ape like" Lincoln.

George Bush's folksy manner and lack of oratorical skills immensely hurt his presidency. He was simply incapable of providing concise, clear explanations to the public of why he was pursuing certain policies.

An articulate, charismatic George Bush would have been able to overcome these obstacles, as did Ronald Reagan.

Today's media is obsessed with personality, and charisma, especially if ideologically sympathetic to a politician. So, in providing a non-answer to a reporter's (propagandist's) query, the media will accept a response as intelligent and well thought out; regardless of the response.

In prostrating themselves to these charismatic types the media merely serves as a propaganda tool for that individual.

Thus we now have the incredible spectacle of an incoming US president, Obama, who, in his life has NEVER held a real job.

Historically tyrants like Hitler, Lenin, Castro, etc., has risen to power because of their ability to persuade; independent of WHAT they say.

sweety
16 December 2008 at 01:54

Most people cannot differentiate between form and content, these days, like they way most people cannot see history in a scaled perspective. Obama has had expensive enunciation, syntax and other oratory skills imbibed into him by experts. He skillfully uses certain words, like progress, change, in his synthetic style, to perfection and with great voting effect. The Bush Texan Drawl, hick pretence, is quite effective in some quarters as well! The main point I wuld make if you compare any Obama speech with the 1963 Kennedy speech, inspite of the relative lacklustre oratory, the Kennedy speech is full of real content and would stand for us today," the abyss', metaphor for instance! Personally I cannot listen to Obama with thinking of Elmer Gentry, so I am immune.

gez pearce
16 December 2008 at 18:01

“There are more than 10 good journalists in the entire world. There are more than 10 in Britain. I don't actually believe and this is me aiming for balance and probably failing that it's the journalist's fault that there's so much junk in the press. Bad newspapers produce bad journalism. Journalist don't set out to write rubbish unfortunately that's what newspapers ask for. The press is part of the entertainment industry and follows a model that reminds me of Hollywood or Las Vegas.”

To certain extent Writeon you are correct but many British journalists, in my view have been influenced by bad editors such as Mckenzie, Alton and Dacre. All believe journalism is there to reinforce prejudices not challenge them. Also there is lot of political product placement. A perfect example was Cameron’s article about benefits and young mothers. Alton’s independent editorial did not analyze the situation objectively but just backed up Cameron idea for idea. Collusion not challenge.

As for the nonsense about speeches. Kinnock and Hague could raise the rafters but would you trust them to run a whelk store.

Carl Jones
16 December 2008 at 23:58

gez pearce, I won`t quote your first two lines, because i seriously avoid poking fun. Please name 10 MSM UK and 10 MSM global (not uk) journalists who have totally laid into serious politicians on a consistant basis? :)

Camus
17 December 2008 at 09:36

(How do I address a cynic? - O.K. try this) Hail, Cynic,

"Thus we now have the incredible spectacle of an incoming US president, Obama, who, in his life has NEVER held a real job." What qualifies a president in any situation? What the dickens is a 'real job'? How does this impact on Obama's ability to act as President? Whichever President ever had a job?

PlanetStarbucks
17 December 2008 at 16:14

I worked on farms from the age of twelve until nineteen. Am I qualified as having a real job?

I look at the picture heading this article and my head spins in disbelief. "Courtly, aristocratic, a frozen face", I thought politicians were meant to represent the public and not be aristocratic?! Speeches mean s**t, actions speak louder than words as any working-class voter will tell you. Why do you think the BNP are doing so well?! They promise change unlike the cartel that runs our purported "democracy".

writeon
17 December 2008 at 17:30

Starbuck,

You are qualified. Most of this article is crap. I'm more of the Byronic type I suppose. The knight on a quest, rather than the courtier obsessed with his fortune.

Politicians don't really represent the people. Westminster is a pantomime. After the next election one will be able to count the representatives of ordinary people on the fingers of one hand, what a farce!

Actually, I'm not really sure that actions do speak louder than words. What about the pen is mightier than the sword? But as the Beach Boys sang, it's no match for a gun!

I've not got a lot of time for the politics of the BNP, but I can see why they appeal to many. They may promise, but they won't fulfill. If history is any judge, right-wing radicals usually sell-out their supporters once they are in power and it's power they want. They don't want to eradicate power itself. Meet the old boss, same as the old boss!

Of course we don't really live in a democracy and the trappings and ornaments of "democracy" are disappearing before our eyes, yet that's to be mourned, as the, strong, and authoritarian alternative, is even worse.

Camus
17 December 2008 at 19:11

Write on: "I've not got a lot of time for the politics of the BNP" How much then? ten minutes or two hours? The right have ALWAYS relied on authoritarian violent and repressive policies - the list is long and the danger is that fascists are gaining ground in several countries - Poland and Hungary. the NPD in Germany is currently remodelling itslef as a social movement saving Germany from the ravages of globalisation. I have no time at all for the likes of the BNP or the NPD.

Mary
17 December 2008 at 19:29

writeon, you are so write on. Obama rides on the coattails of the African legacy but doesn't pay an ounce of attention to one of the most war ravaged continents on the planet. What a phoney.

writeon
17 December 2008 at 19:31

Camus,

Albert Einstein, who knew a lot about time, didn't have a lot of it for Facism, but perhaps a lot of time is relative in this context?

Your are right though about the danger of facism in Europe, which includes the UK. The list is actually far longer than the one you mention. The nationalist right is far, far, stronger than it appears to be on paper, and this at a time of almost unprecedented prosperity! Up to now the right have had only two policies - anti European Union and anti-immigrant. But this may change as the economic situation worsens. Everywhere Muslims are a target and a "key" to their political advancement.

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