Now let the real battle begin

We need new ways to decide ethical issues

"I have deep respect for those who do not agree with some of the provisions in the bill because of religious conviction," wrote Gordon Brown the day before Monday's Commons vote on hybrid embryos. "But I believe that we owe it to ourselves and future generations to introduce these measures and, in particular, to give our unequivocal backing, within the right framework of rules and standards, to stem-cell research."

In those two sentences Brown managed to capture all that is wrong in how we approach public debates about bioethics.

Brown's words are typical of the way religious views are "respected", only so that they can then be ignored. The debate then proceeds on fatalistic, utilitarian premises: there is no other option; we have to do this for the greater good. Both these moves are not so much steps forward as sideways, avoiding the tough issues and disagreements.

Take the engagement with religion first. There is a curious implicit pact here, whereby atheists, agnostics and believers alike all accept that faith stands somehow to one side of rationality. The devout gain respect and immunity from rational prosecution, at the price of being excluded from intellectual debate. Non-believers get to keep the civic sphere entirely secular, at the price of having to back off from believers. At one level, this is right. Much religious belief is a matter of faith, as impervious to rational scrutiny as the Vatican is to women. However, when it comes to specific matters of morality, the idea that religious convictions need respect, not interrogation and defence, is absurd. The world's major religious texts have nothing to say about stem cells, not least because those words do not appear in any of them. It may be a matter of faith that Christ rose from the dead, but Christians have to defend anything they say about the first stages of life.

For example, in his Easter Sunday sermon, Cardinal Keith O'Brien quoted from a letter he and several other church leaders had signed: "This bill goes against what most people, Christian or not, reckon is common sense. The idea of mixing human and animal genes is not just evil. It's crazy!" It is not good enough, on reading this, simply to nod sympathetically and say, "I respect your view." For one thing, the respect is not reciprocated: scientists and supporters of the bill are being accused of doing great evil. What we should do is demand that the central claims be substantiated, which, in this case, they are not. As a matter of fact, opinion polls repeatedly show that most members of the public do approve of embryo research, interspecies or otherwise. More importantly, if anyone other than a church leader accused something of being evil and crazy, we would want to see some reasons why we should agree. Instead, we smile, and move on.

Once religion is set aside, the debate then tends to proceed in a crassly simplistic way. Most of the time, the argument is no more than the claim that the benefits of the research will be enormous, and therefore we must do it. But this is far too quick. Using the terminally ill for experiments might teach us things future generations will benefit from, but that doesn't mean we should do it.

Yet it suits people to stop the debate here, because the real issue is much more complex: What is the moral status of embryos? Bishops simply assert they are as precious as full-grown human beings, scientists avoid answering the question altogether, and between the two camps, the fundamental issue is passed over in silence.

This fudge suits the religious lobby more, for it leaves unchallenged the view that cells from which human beings grow are precious. A similar silence has occluded the morality of abortion for decades. But if we thought 14-day-old embryos and aborted foetuses were as fully human as we are, then no appeal to the balance of costs and benefits could justify their routine killing. People talk as though foetal life has an important moral status, but act as though it does not.

Artificial divide

The contradiction can be resolved in one of only two ways: either we agree the bishops were right all along, or we face the facts squarely and stop the pretence that anything growing in the womb is important, and as human, as a tiny baby. The latter need not lead us down a slippery slope where human life in general is granted less respect. Nor would it entail treating stem cells with no respect: it is good for us to practise reverence for life even if, on reflection, we do not always think it is worth preserving.

But how can we debate these deeply divisive issues, when people's fundamental convictions are so different? What is needed is a way to bring religious perspectives into public discourse without diluting the essentially secular nature of the public square. This might sound impossible, as it is too often assumed that a secular politics requires people to leave their religious beliefs behind them. But that is a mistake. Democratic politics in a pluralist age requires, not that people set aside their fundamental commitments, but that they discuss their differences in a common language. The absence of God will inform someone's opinions on morality, but one cannot expect arguments in public debate to carry any weight if they start with an assertion of atheism. Catholicism may inform someone's beliefs on birth control, for instance, but we cannot be expected to agree with them on the basis of what the Pope says.

What both sides must do is to make their case in terms the other can assess and understand. Arguments for stem-cell research need to appeal to facts about the actual, not imagined, nature of early embryos, as well as serious thought about the potential social consequences of entirely new ways of doing science. Arguments can also draw on religious insights, just as long as they do not assume any particular theological framework. One can talk about the need for humility, deep respect for human life and the dangers of hubris without invoking St John's Gospel.

The justifiable desire to keep religious dogma out of public life has led to an unjustifiable tendency to treat religious views as a whole as separable from civic life. It is in the interests of everyone, believer or not, to end this artificial divide and start a real intellectual tussle in which secular and sacred views battle it out, rationally and in the open.

Julian Baggini is editor of The Philosophers' Magazine

25 comments

Sharkbat's picture

Interesting article.

I too would like to see "a real intellectual tussle in which secular and sacred views battle it out, rationally and in the open", if only in the hope that those with "faith" - i.e. belief without evidence - might come to see how irrational their beliefs really are. Unfortunately though it's very hard to have a rational discussion with someone who is fundamentally irrational.

Also, why can we not simply respect people's right to hold their beliefs without having to respect the beliefs themselves, which are clearly ridiculous?

mitchelchris1229's picture

Sharkbat, you have bought into a common, absurd misunderstanding of what religious faith is all about.

Concerning the HFE Bill, is this (see link), for example, the reflection of someone who is fundamentally irrational?

http://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/1791

Douglas Chalmers's picture

What is "deep respect"? Is it measured in millimetres - or in inches?

VC's picture

Yeh, we need new ways to decide ethical issues....lets have a NWO pre-programmed death date for everyone.....well, everyone outside the NWO elite. This is where we are heading!

emmagold's picture

Andrew, I'm sorry if you thought my comment was over-the-top but reproductive rights is an issue about which I feel very strongly. It was not intended to be sexist; as a feminist I would NEVER be intentionally sexist. But the inescapable fact remains that it is WOMEN, not men, who experience pregnancy and, ESPECIALLY, childbirth/labour which (I understand; having opted never to experience it personally) is extremely painful. The reason I was able to opt out of this is that I was able to take the Pill for over 25 years, until menopause, whereas not all women can; in fact there used to be, and may still be, a Pill Victims' Action Group. Why should women have to choose (if that's the appropriate word!) between taking medication which may harm them, possibly seriously, and experiencing an unwanted pregnancy and subsequent labour?

You mention "the difficult balance between the rights of the unborn and the rights of women" but, as I pointed out before, "the unborn" can be miscarried or stillborn whereas women already exist. If you were (as, for all I know, you are) an obstetrician and you came across a situation in which you had to choose between saving the life of a labouring women or that of the baby which would you choose? How would you "get the balance right"? whose life would you consider more important and valid?

"Sadly some women wish to restrict men's rights in this whole area to paying the bills"; my view is that once a baby is born both parents have rights AND RESPONSIBILITIES towards him/her but, at the risk of being accused of sexism, I feel strongly that while the foetus is still in utero only the WOMAN has the right to say what should happen about this foetus because it is in HER body.

A fundamental human right, surely, is to have jurisdiction over what happens to one's own body; this is, or should be, one of the reasons rape and other forms of sexual assault are illegal (and, of course, the vast majority of victims of this are GIRLS AND WOMEN). I imagine (CERTAINLY hope) most people would condemn THIS violation of an individual girl/woman's right to autonomy over her body; I do realise that the issue of abortion is different in that there is a foetus but if society is THAT bothered about the welfare of foetuses it would be illegal for pregnant women to drink, or to eat anything which might harm the foetus, or to smoke (and, indeed, there would be a smoking ban in the vicinity of all pregnant women since foetuses are also affected by PASSIVE smoking on the part of pregnant women). There would probably also be other laws, all of which would be condemned by libertarians, but if we're THAT concerned for foetuses they would be brought in. Why should it ONLY be unwillingly pregnant women who are expected to consider the welfare of foetuses?

Andrew_Holden's picture

Emma, I don't disagree, in principle, with a great deal of what you have written, There are many good reasons why even very late abortion may, sadly, be necessary and I have no problem with that. If, as you seem to be suggesting, the woman's right to choose is the most paramount, however, it should lead, in law, to women being able to choose to end a pregnancy for any reason whatsoever, right up to full term. I can see the logic of it - but don't believe that our society is that uncaring and would wish to have such a unrestricted abortion law. Of course the rights of the foetus don't trump the rights of the women either so a balanced consideration of risks and rights is necessary. I still believe that in general we still have the balance wrong and wish to see a legal framework which would protect the most vulnerable (whether that's the unborn child or the mother) as appropriate. That would probably liberalise the law up to,say, 16 weeks but make it much more restrictive (though not impossible where there is good reason) later in pregnancy.
Although I have lots of sympathy with your points about power and controI I totally reject the idea that this is merely a feminist issue - actually it is a humanitarian one. It may be 'your body' but if you have chosen to produce a new life there has to be a sensible point at which you recognise that you can't just rescind that choice merely for trivial reasons. Note that this view leaves choice and control where it belongs. You either choose to get pregnant and/or choose to continue the pregnancy through those early weeks when you have the right to end it .
I humbly suggest that, apart from extreme cases which can still be dealt with compassionately, 5 months is long enough for almost anyone to sort out what they think about a pregnancy and exercise their choice. After that point I believe (and that belief is nothing to do either with being a man or with any specific religion) that society should favour (and only that) the right to life rather than the right of choice - and in extreme, sometimes even very late on, cases of need the women's right to life would still therefore trump the more uncertain life of the foetus.

Douglas Chalmers's picture

Quote: ". The absence of God will inform someone's opinions on morality..."

I can't imagine that rationality any longer has a right to exclude a Creator ("god") given that the physicists have already accepted that there was an 'original creation' of the Universe with the Big Bang. The biologists still have some catching up to do, I guess? It is a long way from the creation of the universe to evolution on earth.

But as lond as we still have wars and famines, no-one is successfully "decid(ing) ethical issues" on this planet or in terms of the survival of the human race. Sadly, the one thing thta has remained unanswered in all of this is still the very same original question of all of philosophy. That is WHY do we exist?

It will not be until we give up our self-serving individualistic and rapacious ways that we will ever find the answer to that question. The Universe did, after all, have a reason for creating us. The most pitiful thing of all about the human race has been its utter inability to respond to its primary purpose for existence.

Instead of answering those fundamental questions, we seem to prefer to pretend that we are the creators in some ludicrous fashion and that we have control over the entire creation. That is, we still see ourselves as living on a flat Earth with everything revolving around us for our convenience.

donmargolis's picture

As an American, I am beyond surprised by the high quality of the article itself and most of the comments so far. If I may, I would like to present something rarely seen in these discussions: a non-religious, non-philosophical anti-embryonic argument, based strictly on science.

The embryonic movement is based on myth. Everything you think you know about embryonics is based on ten year old long-disproven guesses of what used to be scientists but are now members of an embryonic cult which is in business to avoid science so they can make billions.

"Embryonic stem cells (ESC) are pluripotent and therefore can become any and every human tissue"---the first myth that no one ever challenges, yet no one has even attempted to prove it in a lab nor has written one peer-reviewed published scientific paper proving this myth.

"Adult stem cells can't become anything but the one thing they were designed for." This was written in a standard lying ESC promoting article just last week in the USA---mandatory lies every time an American writes about embryonics. This one survives despite HUNDREDS of peer-reviewed published scientific papers proving the opposite. But in America these articles are prohibited by so-called scientific journals, so you will have to look to the British Journal of Haematology and elsewhere to find them. For in America, the principle of peer reviewed papers has been squashed by the embryonic cult.

There are seven more of these standard, never-proven, ofter disproven myths of embryology. How can ANYONE expect anything positive or truthful to come from this crowd of hoaxers?

Janelet's picture

Do any of you know of someone who would be willing to be interviewed regarding their non religious anti stem cell perspective? I am making some stimulus material for school children (14 year olds)
Jane

Andrew_Holden's picture

Brilliant article. Even believers need reasons. As a Christian I've never thought it good enough to say simply "God says" ! I don't believe that God is an arbitrary and irrational moral despot and he must therefore have reasons for his commands which we can assess with our God given rationality. So really a Christian can do ethics 'leaving God out of the picture' just as a Christian does science.

My faith, at least, is not 'believing without evidence' . I expect my faith to be a reasonable faith and, at very least, don't expect 'the evidence' to conflict with it.

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