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Bush: is the president imploding?

Andrew Stephen

Published 23 August 2007

His aides are jumping ship, his inner circle is torn apart by feuds and his orders are being ignored. Bush has 17 months left in the White House but he is now a rudderless leader says Andrew Stephen, while Anthony Lane reports from New Orleans on the city failed by the president.

You certainly wouldn't think there was a crisis. There's no sense that the Bush administration has plunged into a shambles of epic and probably unprecedented proportions, either: Dick Cheney has gone fishing, Congress is out for the summer, and much of Georgetown has fled the August mugginess of Washington for the beaches of Nantucket, Martha's Vineyard or the Hamptons. President George W Bush himself, 61 last month, is about to break a record previously held by Ronald Reagan: before the end of this month, according to my calculations, he will have surpassed the old Gipper's record of having taken 436 days' holiday while in office.

Indeed, this past week, Air Force One touched down at Waco airport in Texas - I swear this is true - for the 66th time since Bush took office, so he could relax at his 1,583-acre "ranch" (there's not so much as a hint of any livestock to be seen or heard there) nearby. Nor should we forget - how could we? - that, barring anything extraordinary happening, the 43rd US president still has almost 17 months left in the White House.

But the symbolic meltdown of his administration came on the South Lawn of the White House on 13 August when a semi-tearful Karl Rove, 56, announced he will be leaving the administration on 31 August. Though nominally only deputy chief of staff, Rove had become increasingly indispensable to Bush since they first met 34 years ago. He was the amoral political über-strategist who somehow propelled Bush - an alcoholic who had already failed in both politics and business - to four election victories between 1994 and 2004, handing him two terms as Texas governor and then as US president. Bush bristles at the implications of Rove being described as "Bush's brain", but happily calls Rove the "boy genius" and "the architect" behind his supreme electoral triumph.

And yet, that hot August morning, the dreams of both men lay in tatters. The wheels of amorality had come full circle. Though Bush was Rove's best-known political trophy, he had also virtually single-handedly turned Texas from the stolidly Democratic state of LBJ into a strongly Republican one. I have catalogued in these pages before some of the smear tactics Rove used while doing that, such as starting a whispering campaign in 1994 that Ann Richards - Bush's Democratic rival that year and the then popular incumbent Texas governor, since deceased - was a closet lesbian.

But Rove's ultimate dream, which he came perilously close to realising in the 21st century, was to pull off what he had done to Texas with the entire country: to create a durable Republican base, centred on the so-called "Christian right" he set about mobilising, despite being an avowed agnostic himself, which would become the springboard of local and federal Republican rule throughout the US for decades to come.

Instead, in 2007 Rove has found himself the target of both criminal and congressional investigations, and Bush is now frequently described by friends and enemies alike as the worst and most unpopular US president in history. Yet each squandered unique political capital of which they could only have dreamed when Bush took office in 2001: shortly after the 11 September atrocities, Republicans were favoured 57-28 per cent over Democrats across the nation.

Today, says Gallup, just 41 per cent of Americans identify themselves as Republicans, compared with 51 per cent who see themselves as Democrats; 40 per cent of Republicans believe the Democrats will win the 2008 presidential election. According to an NBC/WSJ poll a few days ago, Americans believe by margins ranging from 22 to 39 per cent that the Democrats would do better than Bush on issues ranging from education to global warming. Because the Democrats regained control of both the House and Senate last November - a further blow to Rove's reputation as electoral wonderboy - Bush, Rove et al are the targets of countless congressional probes and subpoenas that threaten to uncover ever more scandal and incompetence.

All of which explains why there was such a sombre, almost funereal, mood on the South Lawn that sunny morning on 13 August. Rove the non-believer vowed to Bush, with a straight face, that he would pray "for God's continued gifts of strength and wisdom for you and your work . . . and for the Almighty's continued blessing of our great country". Bush described Rove as "a dear friend" who is now "moving on down the road", adding grimly, and rather strangely: "I'll be on the road behind you here in a little bit."

The two men hugged each other for a long time and then Laura Bush, too, emotionally embraced Rove before they all headed for Marine One, the waiting presidential helicopter. Rove's wife and teenage son joined them at Andrews Air Force Base and all boarded Air Force One - en route, naturally, to a holiday at the beloved "ranch". Rove insists, unconvincingly, that he and his second wife, Darby, will now settle in the tiny town of Ingram in mid-Texas so they can be near their son, Andrew, a student at Trinity University in San Antonio, 63 miles away.

If you believe that, you'll believe that Rove is at this moment on his knees, praying fervently to the Almighty in whom he does not believe for Bush's deliverance. The August quiet of Georgetown and Pennsylvania Avenue is therefore misleading - rather like the summer doldrums before the coming megastorm - because Rove's departure signals that the game really is up for the Bush administration. It's routine for White House staff to start to look elsewhere at this stage of an administration, but Bush has now been deserted by almost his entire cast - with the notable exceptions, so far, of Cheney and Condi. Alberto Gonzales, his almost comically inept attorney general, stays only because Bush has too much hubris to swallow the universal view that he should be sacked.

The exodus started with Rummy's resignation on 8 November last year (actually, we learned a few days ago, he handed it in on 6 November - but it was election day on 7 November so the news was suppressed by the administration for 48 hours, though it didn't do them any good). The following month John Bolton, Bush's less-than-lovable ambassador to the UN, called it a day knowing his appointment would never be ratified by a Democratic Senate. In January, Harriet Miers - Bush's former family lawyer in Texas whom he wildly over-promoted to be White House counsel and then nominated, in a doomed move that was egregious even by Bush's standards, to the Supreme Court - finally went in the midst of more disclosures about the administration's firing of eight federal prosecutors for political reasons (in which Rove, too, was prominently involved: watch this space).

I can count 16 more front-line people who have gone, including Dan Bartlett (a key White House counsellor who vetted speeches, planned events and shaped communications strategy) and Rob Portman (who had been director of the Office of Management and Budget for barely a year when he resigned in June, citing the unconvincing Rovian cliché that he wanted to spend more time with his family). Tony Snow, Bush's likeable chief spokesman and a former Fox News anchor, who is now stricken with advanced cancer of the colon, says he will also go before Labor Day on 3 September.

Feuding and vicious warfare have flared in the inner circle, too. Matthew Dowd, Rove's former protégé-in-chief, is no longer on speaking terms with him and says publicly what everybody else says privately: that he has lost faith in Bush. Matthew Scully, special assistant and senior speechwriter in the White House until 2004, has just published an article excoriating the honesty of Michael Gerson - Bush's chief speechwriter until last year and a self-proclaimed Christian often dubbed "the conscience of the White House", who came up with many of Bush's pithiest scripted lines. David Frum, yet another former White House speechwriter, whose "axis of hatred" Gerson changed to Bush's infamous "axis of evil" for his first post-9/11 State of the Union address, now says that "polarisation is Karl Rove's speciality".

Catastrophic consequences

The conundrum, of course, is that it was precisely that dark art which got Bush into the White House in the first place. The poisonous divisiveness that gradually festered around him as a result now allows the state department, to take just one example reported in the Washington Post, to think nothing of simply ignoring an order from the president. Yet I suspect that the extent to which the Bush administration has become so shambolic will not come home to many Americans until the country returns to work on 4 September. Bush is now a truly rudderless president, with no realistic agenda left for the next 513 or so days, other than to tread water and hope for the best.

He has already decreed that the much-awaited "Petraeus report" - the supposedly crucial testimony on Capitol Hill from General David Petraeus and Ryan Crocker, US ambassador in Baghdad, on what the military situation in Iraq is really like following "the surge" - will not now go ahead as planned. The most Congress can expect by the promised 15 September deadline is a private briefing and a report written by administration staff, rather than by Petraeus or Crocker themselves.

Bush will undoubtedly trumpet the resulting flammed-up "report" as proof that significant progress is being made in Iraq - none other than Rove himself was on duty peddling the line on the talk shows that 50 per cent of Baghdad is now under the control of the US army, compared with only 8 per cent in February, and that things are going wonderfully in Anbar Province, too. But cynicism with the Bush administration is such that, according to a CNN/Opinion Research poll released on 16 August, 53 per cent of Americans believe that the "report" will try to make the situation in Iraq sound better than it actually is, and 47 per cent of those opposed to the Iraq War say they simply will not trust it.

The Bush-Rove tragedy is that the two complemented each other and combined to create a uniquely combustible mix that has had such catastrophic consequences for America and the world. To Rove, a college dropout, Bush was a morally malleable blank slate with everything he lacked: an exceedingly well-known, respected family name and a wealthy political background that had enabled him to start life in the privileged Wasp enclaves of Connecticut and end up in Texas via Yale and Harvard. Perfect for the White House in, say, 2001?

For Bush, Rove represented proven cunning viciousness and, yes, a brain - one that was crammed with political and demographic facts and figures. Besides his enthusiasm for peculiarly nasty dirty tricks, Rove's genius was to invent wedge issues which did not actually concern the overwhelming majority of Americans, but which he managed to push to the forefront of political debate. Rove may have been an agnostic himself, but he could certainly work up the electoral bloc that he invented and called "the Christian right" into lathers of rage over, say, gay marriage.

We now know that Rove was chairing meetings of the shadowy and secret White House Iraq Group plotting the invasion of Iraq as early as 2002, and that he was already pushing the line that, because of 9/11, the Bush administration was engaged in a messianic struggle between good and evil. He seized the opportunity to convince Bush that he was a president placed on this planet by God to liberate mankind and bring "democracy" to the un-American and thus politically pagan world. For Bush, it was an intoxicating vision to fill the blank slate.

By 2003, Rove had an office in the West Wing and Bush let him loose on cherished domestic dreams such as "reforming" social security and immigration. But his high-handed approach soon enraged congressional Republican leaders such as Tom DeLay and Dick Armey, and the beginning of the collapse of the Bush edifice had started. The wars on Iraq and terror were sacrosanct, but when it came to their bread-and-butter issues, the likes of DeLay and Armey weren't going to be pushed around by a power-mad, devious Washington outsider like Rove.

Hence the terrible mess Washington will soon be in. Bush has always been obsessed with how history will view him, and all that now keeps him safely wrapped inside his bubble of self-delusion is an almost Hegelian certainty that he is a providential and necessary creation of our times whom history will not only vindicate, but glorify - even if it is long after our deaths. Rove's job after 31 August, once he is released into the big-bucks world of the lecture, talk-show and publishing circuits, will be to spin the Bush-Rove legacy. He seems less optimistic than Bush, telling TV viewers: "The president will say to me, 'Don't worry about it. History will get it right and we'll both be dead.'"

In the meantime, the cicadas in Georgetown are chirping away, the weathermen tell us we will all be under a "heat advisory", and children are flocking to swimming pools before the dreaded return to school. And 1,500 miles away, in Texas, America's president is furiously biking away while Iraq and Afghanistan burn. Yet history will come to see him as the brave hero who did what he knew was right - even if it takes centuries to come round to that conclusion.

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58 comments from readers

Carl Jones
23 August 2007 at 11:11

So Rove was key in Bush winning two US presidential elections...as I understand it, the key state of Florida had police road blocks stopping democrats from voting. The "fellons list" was rigged, not only to include fellons, but anyone with a similar sounding name and after all this we had the "hanging chads" fiasco. Just as the count was about to go Gore`s way, the Supreme Court stopped the count and "GAVE" the presidency to Bush.

The next persidential election was decided by widespread hacking into voting machines and systems. One key state recorded 180,000 more votes than the total able to vote...six republicans recorded identical totals...in a nutshell, the election was rigged. I even posted on the BBC Today message board using published material from the US....these posts were censored by the BBC/dark forces.

Mr Rove is a nobody. Mr Rumsfeld may have publically departed the Whitehouse, but he still has a desk at the Pentagon!

The length of Bush`s holidays indicates that all is in hand. "Mr Cheney, you have the bridge"!!

When the MSM start portraying the US president as "rudderless", something is sure to happen.

Is is amazing that in the runup to Blair`s departure (announced 6 weeks, 6 days and departed in the 6 month), the MSM were searching for Blair`s legacy...of course, there wasn`t one. I suspect the closing months of the Bush presidency will be full neocon joy...terror attacks and more war in the Middle East. If one major terror attack occours in the US, democracy will be suspended and Bush will become dictator for life....no need to manufacture a legacy here.

bwf27
23 August 2007 at 16:05

The Bush/Cheney legacy will be a lesson for all democratic governments. Never assume one's democratic nation is safe from insideous oligarchies blending zeal and demagoguery to commandeer the ship of state.

Cybertiger
23 August 2007 at 17:19

Dontcha just luv 'em!!

Thank you democratic Americans, for bequeathing the disenfranchised of the world outside America, the BushRove legacy of cunning viciousness and nasty dirty tricks.

God help those of us outside America.

PS. On second thoughts: as God is undoubtedly an American, please don't bother - it'll only end in tears - and the death of us.

pgg
23 August 2007 at 17:39

If half of what Mr. Stephen has to say is true, it is indeed a scary thought that the only super power is meandering in the global pond rudderless, with no sense of direction.

It is also instructive to see how the likes of Jim Baker and the Republican establishment who foisted Mr Bush via the Supreme Court palace coup of 2000, knowing full well that the string of failures in his past coud only presage a similar or worse stringe of failures in his future. It is difficult to understand that mindset as patriotic, unless the foisters thought that rational minds could pull the strings from the wings: something that was not proven by subsequent events.

PGG

yurbud
24 August 2007 at 01:49

I thought I was living in the Twilight Zone when Bush's approval rating was up above 90% just because he happened to be president when 9/11 occurred. Now everyone is finally waking up to what they should have seen before the 2000 election or at least figured out after the Enron scandal: Bush is no ideologue but rather a con man who is trying to move taxpayer money from the treasury to his friends pockets, and using our military to seize assets for them the way Tony Soprano uses Paulie Walnuts and Sylvio.

The United States, Iraq, and the World are victims of a home invasion robbery. The robber has stuffed the good silverware in his pockets, raped and killed a couple of the kids, but the Democrats are still worried that he'll be offended if they tell him it's time to leave.

Cybertiger
24 August 2007 at 08:00

@yurbud

" Now everyone is finally waking up to what they should have seen before the 2000 election ...

I believe there was another election, sometime 2004 ... Amerikans appear to have learning difficulties, seem to be slow learners ... one could even consider the crazy critters to be somewhat retarded in the intelligence stakes. I don't think Amerikans are waking up at all ... they're all just dead stupid ... a democratic majority that is.

Carl Jones
24 August 2007 at 11:10

Democrats, Republicans, at the top, they both sit at the same table...power is shared...democracy is a tool uaed on "slow learners"...Nancy Polosi might as well be Bush`s sister. Not only are they slow, they still don`t know they are in Work Camp Amerika"!

serendib
26 August 2007 at 11:02

history will come to see him as the brave hero who did what he knew was right - even if it takes centuries to come round to that conclusion.yeah right andrew

memi
27 August 2007 at 05:03

GO BACK TO SLEEP; LITTLE SHEEP!

Cybertiger
27 August 2007 at 21:54

It's rude; please don't shout little memi - the sheep won't sleep if you peep so loud.

geth
29 August 2007 at 14:01

Oh America will limp along. Democrats and Republicans are both slave to the same corporate forces.

For my two cents, the real danger would be the global power vaccum it will create. I'll be waiting for China, North Korea, Iran to do something big to test US mettle. And the danger/opportunity lies in how the respond.

Ideally, the EU would step up to the plate and provide some real leadership, but fat chance.

p.s. don't slate Americans as learning disabled, it's insulting to both them and those who are.

Cybertiger
29 August 2007 at 15:58

@geth

"p.s. don't slate Americans as learning disabled, it's insulting to both them and those who are."

I agree - mocking the afflicted is not nice ... but mocking the genuine afflictions of those democratic inhabitants of the idiot nation ... and their de..mockery..cy ... is something else altogether.

Writinwater
30 August 2007 at 00:55

Some of you people really need to stop grouping all Americans together as moronic and blind. I voted against Bush two elections, so , please tell me, by your standards does that make me awake. The truth is most Americans don't get the real truth. We get a nice pleasant media censored ball of nonsense. Oh, watch CNN and you'll hear about the war in Iraq and the tragedy that has become Washington D.C. The the thirty second attention span of most Americans will wander and they will need to change stories to something more shallow and meaningless to keep their ratings up. I don't disagree that many Americans are politically blind and only care about completely trivial matters, but don't mock the rest of us who are aware, who are concious. This U.S. catastrophe has many of us disgusted too.

Writinwater
30 August 2007 at 07:54

oh, and cybertiger, i would absolutely love for you to go into further detail, no maybe even just partially explain, what it is you mean by "democratic inhabitants of the idiot nation"

Cybertiger
30 August 2007 at 20:04

Writinwater wandered wondering,

"oh, and cybertiger, i would absolutely love for you to go into further detail, no maybe even just partially explain, what it is you mean by "democratic inhabitants of the idiot nation""

What respect do you think accrues the nation that allows the SCOTUS to appoint the POTUS and then elects the moronic appointee four years later? Precious little in my opinion!

PS. What part of demockericy and the idiot nation didn't you understand?

Writinwater
30 August 2007 at 22:46

i undertand perfectly what you meant, but my point is i dont think that you should group the entire country into one mentality. i dont disagree that there are numerous ignorant minds walking around, minds that are very apathetic to anything that doesn't concern themselves. however it is even more insulting to those of us here who are trying to maintain a level of awareness and proper thinking when you group us in with that lot.

Cybertiger
30 August 2007 at 22:56

"Some of you people really need to stop grouping all Americans together as moronic and blind."

God bless US democracy, retarded and blind.

Vengeance, slow and simple ... vengeance simple and slow ... is at the center of cerebrations the American Way. The application of capital punishment, casual, callous, barbaric, under operation death penalty ... is the key to American moral blindness. It's the 'eye for an eye' thinking, remorseless, bureaucratic, democratic, that makes Americans morally blind. It is vengeance, pure and simple that motivates the unseeing, moronic American.

PS. Tonight, Texas will execute Kenneth Foster, a 30 year old African-American who did not commit murder as a 19 year old. God bless the Lonestar, America's guiding light, blind and very stupid. Revenge is sweet ...

Ergo
31 August 2007 at 09:14

I'm sure Americans, like most people, are of average intelligence, and some of course are brilliant. See

"Why We Fight" for evidence of intelligent self-criticism (and many other sources) .They have simply been brain-washed into thinking they are exceptional, and a "light unto the nations", and diverted from reality with bread and super-circuses. You get used to two or three cars, large homes and sides of beef to barbeque and don't want to see who is really paying for it all.

Rebublicans, Democrats - two sides of the same coin. They should have become suspicious when

Bush was elected, and his dad, and his brother Jeb,

governor of Florida, and the other guy responsible for the S@L fiasco costing the American tax-payer billions. This is not a superior gene pool. Bush will make history as a dynastic knuckle-dragger way over his head - if there is history when he's through.

.

gnuneo
31 August 2007 at 14:23

cybertiger: and *we* elected blair.

"...cast the first stone"?

peace.

Cybertiger
31 August 2007 at 14:52

@gnuneo

"*we* elected blair."

And utterly shameful it was too - and it makes me wish I was Irish - who use the Single Transferable Vote - and not stupid like the Amerikans.

Please enjoy the lecture by Clive Stafford Smith and what the British should not learn form America.

“They just don’t get it: British politicians and the lessons they learn from America”

http://www.reprieve.org.uk/resources_Longford_lecture_271106...

"People often argue which is the true British national sport. Today, I want to settle that debate. It’s not football, cricket or even darts. It is ‘America Bashing’, ridiculing the latest absurd policy of the Bush Administration. America Bashing is an easy sport, often entertaining, and one that the least athletic among us can enjoy. In contrast, Tony ‘Yo’ Blair, as we know, is a great fan of Bush’s America."

PS. Texas was compassionate - Kenneth Foster was reprieved last night. He'll stay in prison for the rest of his life - at least 40 years in any event - for a murder he did not commit. The Barbarians will go marching on ... on ... and on

PPS. I voted 1,2,3 for STV at the last election. Only real 'thickos' use a X.

Cybertiger
02 September 2007 at 13:08

"PS. Texas was compassionate - Kenneth Foster was reprieved last night."

Kenneth Foster is the hapless victim of compassion and the Texas passion for life, its sanctity and its true absurdity under the Lone Star. A last minute reprieve denied him a gentle, humane exit from life in Texas to a life in paradise after 11 years living at taxpayers expense on death row Texas. But Foster is not the victim of a meaningless brand of Christian redemption. A 19 year old felon with a black skin who did not murder a white man will now spend the rest of his miserable life in a Texas Supermax prison.

PS. What is the link between tap dancing, the backwoods American potatoe and the truly meaningful hypocrisy of the all-American life? Answers on a postcard please, posted under the door of a lavatory at the House of Lords.

Writinwater
03 September 2007 at 04:45

Question, do you really believe you are the only person that something like that bothers? Oh wait, yes i am an American, so obviously i can not possibly wrap my mind around any kind of issue of morality. I am a barbarian. You live in a black and white world, and in this world America is always going appear to be black with rot no matter what anyone says. I'm done trying to argue my point because every answer i get is basically "You so stupid, American. I closed minded, and in love with my voice." How can you possibly use Texas as an example for American demeanor? They're a bunch of racist rednecks and have a very different view of things.

"Bush will make history as a dynastic knuckle dragger." To this i tip my hat in agreement, and am thankful that the name of the man responsible for the way Americans are viewed was used, instead of just ignorantly assuming that everyone of us are just like George Bush.

Writinwater
03 September 2007 at 05:47

and cybertiger, did you actually read the entire piece of writing in the link that you posted, or just the parts that fit in with your narrowminded thinking. For someone that seems to love picking apart any faults of the U.S., you picked an example that basically raises the quality of America over Britain.

La Feria
03 September 2007 at 05:57

Now Voyager !!!!! see y'aallllll @ the Guarania Aquifer! and vaya con dios to condi too!

Texaswoman2002
03 September 2007 at 07:01

I am not sure where Writinwater is from, but he or she should never assume that everyone in Texas or anywhere are "racist and rednecks with a different view of things". Personal attacks never get anything accomplished and are usually uttered by the immature. Just because they show Texans in a bad light on TV or in Hollywood does not mean it is real. We don't really have much control over what our gov't does here, unlike what some sheeple might think;) We would love to be able to change things just like everyone else does all over the world, but corruption has run too long and too deep for anyone to do anything about it. I am going off the subject a bit, but I just wanted to respectfully object to the obvious insult.

Writinwater
03 September 2007 at 07:03

i do apologize, it was a very unthoughtful thing to say

Texaswoman2002
03 September 2007 at 07:09

Sorry for the mistake with the posting. I am not the brightest star in the sky. I do agree that the Bush administration is also one of the worst things that has happened to our country. Ron Paul 2008!

mscir
03 September 2007 at 08:43

There were a lot of anti war demonstrations. The gov't ignored them. Anti-war feelings got Democrats voted into Congress, where they promptly did... nothing. We know the press is controlled and we the people can't do anything about it. Same for Bush stealing the election, same for the war. Short of a revolution, or voting in Ron Paul, what can we do? We're not all idiots, uninformed, ignorant, stupid, etc. All of my friends feel things are being run very poorly here, very badly, and we feel pretty much powerless to do anything about it. America is not the country I grew up thinking (and reading and hearing) that it was. It has been taken over by some very scary people. I just hope we can change things before we start WW3 in the middle east.

angryorgans
03 September 2007 at 12:31

Well, Well, Well. I love the Armchair quarterbacking from all of you Eurocentrist Freaks. As screwed up as America is, as many problems as we have, at least we know we have a problem. You know, Henry Ford said a car in every Garage, in Europe, its a Closed Circuit Camera in every home. Bush will end, like any other President, and we will elect a new idiot, who will serve in his or her idiocy for another 4 to 8 years. You Euros, well, you will have you EU constitution, no referendum, you will be monitored, taxed to death, your kids will be monitored, you will fill out diaries for the state, big brother will watch you shop, your imiigration problems will be worse than mine as an American, It is real easy to look over at American and laugh and poke fun at us. It shows how stupid you really are, as you have not the nerve or the guts to look over to your end of the world. I especially like the Garbage Bin hidden Cameras for the British, and the fines for taking it to the curb to early of rpick up. Man, you guys are as screwed us as we are, and in some ways even worse. You call us sheep, you say were are stupid. I say maybe so, some of us anyway. But your whole civilization has benn subjugated by big brother, youo have no privacy rights, and you let that happen. I will lie in my bed, do you have the guts to lie in yours?. This is a brave new world order. Have fun, don't make big brother TV man mad at you, he might come to your house and take you away. Regards from America.

angryorgans
03 September 2007 at 12:35

Back to us Stupid Americans. A little Headline for you from the Daily Mail in UK

"Police have been given the go-ahead to use Taser stun guns against children.

The relaxing of restrictions on the use of the weapons comes despite warnings that they could trigger a heart attack in youngsters."

Oh I know us Americans are all stupid, I am sure Tazering your kids is Real Gosh Darn Smart.

Britain, the model for civilization the world over

Regards Freakshows

angryorgans
03 September 2007 at 12:37

I can see how you would think us Americans are Stupid, We do not have the great thinkers below

"GORDON Brown is plotting a new property charge that will send bills soaring, the Conservatives claimed last night.

Based on a model used in Denmark, the new scheme would replace council tax with a property charge of one per cent of the value of our homes.

God, I evny you all

angryorgans
03 September 2007 at 12:41

Wow, I know were are all Stupid In American, But who is the Dumber? We learned this lesson a long time ago, that when guns are illegal, only criminals have them. I am sure all your closed Circuit TV's Protect you all though

"Gun crimes in England have almost doubled since 1997, when a ban on firearms began.

According to the Sunday Times of London, crimes in which guns were used numbered 4,671 in 2005-06.

You are all so wise, I am green with Envy... Regards

angryorgans
03 September 2007 at 12:43

Just in case all you "Smart Euros" forgot, A reminder of you great work ethic, from the UK Telegraph

"Jobless Britain: One in five homes relies entirely on benefits

Wow, maybe you are smart, you all cheat the system. Kudos to you, Cheers M8's... Regards

Cybertiger
03 September 2007 at 13:24

"Wow, I know were are all Stupid In American, But who is the Dumber?"

Wow, and I know you're dumb ... and dumber ... and the dumbest of those crazy critters .... led by the greatest dumbo the world has ever known.

Regards, a sad little cyberTigger from the Kingdom of the Lions ... led by donkeys ... who learnt their stuff from the great Amerikan jackass.

PS. What is the link between tap dancing, the backwoods American potatoe and the truly meaningful hypocrisy of the all-American life? However dumb ... and the rest ... I feel sure you'll be able to answer my topical question, Mr. Angry from the United States of Angryorgans.

PPS. Clue: the state capital is Boise.

PPPS. And as a bonus for all those clever critters out there: who said ""Democracy is the art of running the circus from the monkey cage." ?

Thoughts
03 September 2007 at 17:51

Don't insult me bc I am an American. I had nothing to do with Bush, or 9/11 or the coverup or the illegal wars.

I have been protesting, writing Congress, writing blogs and editorials, talking to everyone, and trying to do something to fix this......to no avail.

We are victims. Don't blame the victims.

AND DON'T YOU DARE CALL ME A SHEEP.

I read that you Brits are now tasering children.

I read that you Brits have cameras all over the GD place. I read that you Brits never did a thing about Princess Diana's death, even though she wrote that if she died, it would be in a "car accident" and that her lovely ugly husband would be behind it.

YET, you let him raise the boys.

Don't you dare look down that monstrous British nose at us. We got wise to your "royalty" long before people started calling them lizards.

gnuneo
03 September 2007 at 18:02

its a common tactic used by rulers for centuries, to divert attention from domestic failings, the finger is pointed at failings in other countries, and trumpeted so loudly, that it shouts down those few REAL patriots who question failings at home.

of course, this requires a deceitful media...

deceitful media: Check.

lets not fall into this honeyed trap that has been set, (divide and conquer, ever heard of it?), but realise that on both sides of the pond, there are resistance movements fighting for rights and freedoms, that never get their day in the mainstream reporting, and can easily be overlooked if only the mainstream press are read.

the irony is that clearly most of the people who have posted in this thread agree on the majority of issues (although there will undoubtedly be some arguments as to solutions), yet it is descending into name-calling and vitriol.

lets face it - there are some stupid people in america, and some stupid people in EU/britain, and our media and politicians would like to make us ALL stupid, so lets irritate them by remaining sensible, conscious, and intelligent, and not fall into childish name-calling, and negative patriotism please.

even though its fun! ;)

peace.

Joe
03 September 2007 at 18:14

People say its all for oil, power, world domination, etc. but all of the above is secondary to the truth. And what is the truth? Well, the Jewish/Christian bible tells us that it is God who creates evil. The bible also tells us that the root of all evil is "the love of money". Therefore God merely had to instill in the genetic makeup of humans the love of money. It appears that our politicians have an extra helping of "love for money" and God said, "It is good".

For those who don't believe God creates evil, read Isaiah 45:7.

Questions?

--jws

David Roblee
03 September 2007 at 18:26

Endlessly discussing symptoms, opinions of others, and personalitites does little to help solve the root problem which is usurydebt coupled to greed as an engine of economic growth and societal norm. Quite simply central banking debtor/debtee ocCULTure buys and sells the seven deadly sins and personifies the love of money at the expense of another which is the root for all evil. In simpler terms, predatory capitalism is the problem, not the solution.

What is the solution then? Demand, while boycotting corporate/gov/fascism, that control of OUR money supply should be in the hands of US, not control freaks run amok as is evident for those awake enough to see how we have been enslaved by those that create, print, and control OUR money supply that is used against us at OUR expense.

Demand economic reformation designed to empower the many instead of only the few.

Forgive all usurydebt for in-common goods/services/needs while retaining usurydebt for all un-common goods/services/needs.

Flood the free market with free money for all.

Enjoy freedom, peace, prosperity, opportunity, growth, love and understanding for all.

The opposite is financial slavery for you and yours.

Simple solutions always solve complex problems.

www.planetization.org/soulutions.htm

Cybertiger
03 September 2007 at 18:37

Joe said,

"It appears that our politicians have an extra helping of "love for money" and God said, "It is good". "

"It's the Economy, stupid!" ... and G-d was right about Amerikan politicians and how evil was created. G-d calls it "intelligent design".

PS. I have fundamentally atheistic tendencies but fervently believe that G-d is an Amerikan and that "Amerikan intelligence" is an oxymoron.

Joe
03 September 2007 at 18:59

Cybertiger said,

"It's the Economy, stupid!" ... and G-d was right about Amerikan politicians and how evil was created. G-d calls it "intelligent design".

PS. I have fundamentally atheistic tendencies but fervently believe that G-d is an Amerikan and that "Amerikan intelligence" is an oxymoron."

--------------------------------------------------------

So, you're a fundamentalist atheist! Maybe we should start a church: call it the First Church of Fundamentalist Atheism. You can be the Pastor (I'll be the janitor).

I just don't know -- one day I believe everything and the naxt day I believe nothing. I recall the words of my favorite stand-up comic: "I don't believe in God, so He's mad at me."

Any bets on when George will attack Iran? My guess is he'll attack when the kids are opening Christmas presents... --jws

La Feria
03 September 2007 at 19:06

All of you don't really seem to get it - See y'all @ the guarania aquifer!ha!ha!ha and please stop your flamming rhetoric - fiddling as the titanic sinks, so Rome burns, India is partitioned , opium is pushed to China

and felixs becomes a cat 5 - Guarania Aquifer ! Duh!

Joe
03 September 2007 at 19:17

"See y'all @ the guarania aquifer!ha!ha!ha and please stop your flamming rhetoric - fiddling as the titanic sinks..."

I can just see our esteemed president, as skipper of the Titanic, spinning a report to the passengers: "Nothing to worry about folks, we're just taking on a little ice..." Or, maybe it would be more appropriate if Tony Snow gave the briefing. Just another Snow job! ;-) -

-jws

Brer Rabbit
03 September 2007 at 19:48

Although I understand where Cybertiger is coming from, I don't think he's right.

The Republicans came to power with their "contract on America" in which they promised lower taxes and less government if they were elected. Overwhelmingly, the American people voted them in.

Surprise, surprise, surprise! The Republicans did not deliver on a single pledge but they were in power and imposed their agenda.

The American people are apathetic and indifferent because it doesn't make any difference who is elected or what they say. Granted, the US has gone off the deep end in the wrong direction, but the mistake is thinking the people have any say, or have had any say in a great many years.

pjrsullivan
04 September 2007 at 00:39

When the ordinary people figure it all out, more than Bush will be imploding.

Nuclear weapons plus Parliamentary Savages, minus Extraterrestrial intervention equals: "The Living Dead." Thats all of us.

Get it; Our nuclear war fighting elite have already pulled the nuclear "Trigger" on us.

Ergo
04 September 2007 at 06:36

Now children, settle down. We're all pretty dumb, actually, ever since we swallowed the idea that democracy ever really existed, beginning with the Roman type. It was great for the elite and so is our brand. Nobody wanted the Iraq invasion, but it happened anyway. You can't blame Americans for

Bush - most of them didn't elect him and the rest were badly deceived with the slogan "He doesn't flip flop like Kerry". Would that he had, that he could, but you can't change your mind if you don't have one. The complicit media, moneyed interests and an "American dream" that just won't go away is a hard

package to beat. We can still fight the good fight and at least keep our own humanity and hopefully, sanity.

Up the poor deceived but decent ordinary people!

robertsgt40
04 September 2007 at 17:30

They say that history repeats in some fashion or another. I can't help but see Bush having the same bunker mentality(now that his troops are jumping ship) that Hitler did in his final days. We really are witnessing a major shift in history

Cybertiger
04 September 2007 at 18:19

"They say that history repeats in some fashion or another."

Mark Twain said, "History doesn't repeat itself but it rhymes."

PS. Wasn't Twain an Amerikan?

"Bush having the same bunker mentality that Hitler did in his final days."

Do you think Bush's end will be a rhyming couplet with 'you know who'?

PS. I certainly hope so ... the crazy critter, unfettered by any decent democracy, could do a lot of damage in just 16 months.

Cybertiger
04 September 2007 at 22:03

Another couple of brain-teasers for the mentally challenged. Who said,

"Democracy is a form of religion, it is the worship of jackals by jack asses" ?

and then who uttered the words,

"A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves" ?

Were either, or both of them, Amerikan citizens? And what about the sheep, the jackals, the jackasses and the wolves. No prizes for guessing where they come from!

anton
05 September 2007 at 02:03

I'm afraid that Bush in his madness might start a nuclear war with Iran.

...and I'm also afraid that nothing will change in the US even after Bush. He could only come to power with the support of a large portion of the country. To many of us outside the US and UK with their propaganda machines it was obvious that Bush and his politics would be a total failure, simply because he believes in war. But war creates nothing but chaos, poverty and more war.

I live in a country that conformed to US politics and sent troops to Iraq, just to gain US favors... I'm ashamed of that.

As you see, we're all in the same boat... Especially the possibility of a nuclear war is a frightening perspective for all people on this planet that have not been blinded by hatred.

We are all one. This is our nature. War is never a good solution because it degrades everyone that participates in it.

Democracy is an attempt to bring the perspective of unity of all humans into politics. Everyone matters, everyone is important. However, as history is teaching us we still have to learn a lot about the actual implementation of the concept.

Democracy can only come about when the integrity of the person is respected. War can not bring Democracy because it is a violation of integrity.

The only "wars" that we should allow ourselves to wage are those on fear, and for the environment, so that our children and grandchildren might still have a planet worth living on.

pitchblende
05 September 2007 at 03:21

How ironic that this article states that "Rove's genius was to invent wedge issues which did not actually concern the overwhelming majority. . .which he managed to push to the forefront of political debate."

After reading these posts, I can see why his mind games were so effective!

People who all seem equally appalled at the direction of world events argue back and forth about whether America or England is the worse country. There are large populations of stupid people in both of these countries, and even this reality is rendered moot by the fact that elections are rigged and it's nearly impossible to vote for a decent candidate because only those who are able to raise millions of dollars or pounds have any chance of running, let alone winning.

Omnipresent surveillance cameras, "free speech zones," the degeneration of our educational systems etc. etc. etc. are all serious problems for both countries. It's like two people who've just been tossed from a plane handcuffed together arguing on the way down about which one is heavier-- physics dictates a grim end for both.

Douglas Chalmers
07 September 2007 at 22:10

Ha ha, he just made the same "Austria" mistake in referring to Australia speaking at APEC (he actually sadi "OPEC") in Sydney as former US president Ronald Reagan once did when asked about Australia. Do you mean "Austria?"

Carl Jones
09 September 2007 at 00:05

AMERICANS on this forum, please read; I have seen some on the replies above which are begging not to be counted with Bush and his neocon lackys.

I am very fortunate. I get to speak with many Americans, if you`ve read my posts here, I`m often selective on how I spell "America"....sometimes I spell it "AMERIKA"!

You can`t just lump Americans with Amerikans and you can`t blame Americans for not knowing, or understanding what Amerikans are doing.

Last year I met a family of Americans....they were BLACK and spent a month of every year in Europe. These weren`t what you`d term "real wealthy", but their minds were rich and they knew serious stuff. We exchanged views on many areas....THIS TYPE OF US CITIZEN DOESN`T TRUST THE US GOVERNMENT AT ALL!!

One American lady (dif from above) told me about her and her husbands attempt at voting, they left with the kids at 6pm....they didn`t get home until 11pm!

When I slate the US, it is an attack on the US elite and not ordinary Americans. We must breakout of this general hate mentality. It must be specific and on a closing note, we must remember that its the entire Western elite which we should target.

Cybertiger
09 September 2007 at 12:58

"You can`t just lump Americans with Amerikans and you can`t blame Americans for not knowing, or understanding what Amerikans are doing. "

This is appeasment ... and appeasing is not good.

Carl Jones
09 September 2007 at 22:53

Cybertiger, this is not appeasment. One must understand that most Amerikans and Brits live in a nursery run by the elite...Amerikans...the media and political messages are corrupted by the NWO. Its not easy to over turn 60 years of brainwashing.

Grigsby
11 September 2007 at 18:35

D-Grigsby

And I wonder, when the world community will stand up to the Bush regime rather than behaving as his poodle? Specifically, why do the brilliant and all intelligent Britts allow their government to curl up in Bush's lap. We all know that the UK is America's (Bush's) #1 ally. Whatever happened to the British backbone?

Cybertiger
12 September 2007 at 12:53

Grigsy said,

"Whatever happened to the British backbone?"

Britain is a united kingdom of tiger prawns ... led by molluscs ... guided by those savage hordes of soldier ants ... from that great democracy of the USofA.

KevinBoatang
12 September 2007 at 14:14

It's simply countdown time, the election isn't far away, he can't run and he is a sinking ship. Want a job next term? Leave now. Want a fresh challenge? JUmp now and join the campaigners.

Those who stay are in trouble and have nothing but their memoirs to look forward to.

America as a whole must motivate itself to jin the world of the 21st century, abandon the age old two party system and try and get some real perspective. Like it or not, America is and will be the main power broker for many years, we must all hope that they broker the right sort of power and back track from the current 'i love my president at all costs' disaster that has led to the current white house being able to do what it likes.

gnuneo
19 September 2007 at 22:31

kevin: regardez russia after the collapse of the ruble.

yes, still a power, but no longer a main player. The same fate awaits the US, and unless the UK RAPIDLY removes itself from the economic coat-tails, we will fall down with them.

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