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Climate change: Why we don't believe it

Lois Rogers

Published 23 April 2007

We reveal an unreported gulf between the pronouncements of campaigners and politicians and British public opinion plus in the comments below we have responses from David Miliband, Peter Ainsworth, Sian Berry, Friends of the Earth and more...

Global warming is a threat that is going to wipe out civilisation as we know it. The liberal elite and political classes are signed up to the message that, unless we take urgent action within ten years, we are all literally doomed to burn up.

But who else believes them?

Beyond the corridors of Westminster and the offices of environmental pressure groups, where global warming and sustainability are buzzwords of the moment, British consumers continue flying, driving and buying with unchecked enthusiasm. The gulf between the pronouncements of our politicians and what the majority of people think and do, could scarcely be wider.

A survey by the polling organisation MORI, published at the end of last year but unreported by the mainstream media, found that about a third of the population - 32 per cent - still knows little or nothing about the threat of climate change. Of those who had heard of it, half thought it was at least partly a natural process, and only 11 per cent of those questioned thought it was up to individuals to change their behaviour. MORI's head of research, John Leaman, acknowledges that the battle for public opinion is not only not won, it has not even seriously begun: "The question of how you persuade people that it is to do with them is a very interesting one," he said. "We need to know whether people's attitudes are the consequence of ignorance, disbelief or personal self-interest and inertia. Even among those who do know about climate change, there is a yawning gap between what people say and what they do. I don't think there is any simple answer." As an organisation, MORI is keen to be seen taking this problem seriously. It is planning its own forum in June, to contribute ideas for ways to promote awareness and behaviour change. (Ironically, the identified key speaker appeared to be away on a foreign holiday and could not be contacted for comment.)

How then are our leaders going to engage our hearts and minds in the green debate? What will be the tipping point that will lead people not just into giving the fashionable answers in opinion polls, but to actually change their behaviour?

At the moment we are mired in a bog of confusing messages. In a portentous speech to the Green Alliance last month, the Chancellor Gordon Brown talked about the need for "new global partnerships and multilateral networks" to tackle the environmental challenge. The recent climate change review by the economist Sir Nicholas Stern predicted hundreds of millions of "climate refugees" streaming across the world in an effort to escape from drought, flood and famine.

Yet opinion polls for the BBC and others indicate that the reaction of people hearing these pronouncements is that they are simply relieved to hear the problem is nothing to do with them. An ICM poll last month found about half the people questioned in some parts of the country were quite clear about their unwillingness to change their lifestyle at all. Elsewhere, there is growing scepticism that any of it is true, and the dissenting voices are getting louder. A recent editorial in the Daily Mail told millions of readers that it is pointless to alter drastically the way we live simply on the "vague possibility of an ecological disaster".

In March, Channel 4 broadcast a documentary entitled The Great Global Warming Swindle, which notoriously ridiculed the whole basis of climate change. The programme was furiously condemned by leading scientists as misleading and badly researched. Yet Channel 4 reported that it drew more than 700 comments from viewers, with those supporting its sceptical line outnumbering critics by six to one. "People appreciated the fact that the questioning approach was being given air time," said a Channel 4 spokesman. "We are planning a discussion programme on the whole issue for June. The best time to have a debate is generally when people say there is no further need for one."

Around the same time, a lone protester from an obscure lobby group called the Association of British Drivers (ABD), garnered almost two million signatures for an online petition protesting against the introduction of road pricing as a means of limiting car use. Hugh Bladon, a spokesman for the ABD, claims that he reflects the views of many people in his conviction that discussion of global warming is simply an excuse to raise more taxes from everyone, and motorists in particular. "I enjoy driving," he said. "Lots of people do. It is total nonsense to suggest that it will make a difference if we reduce mileage by a small amount a year."

While it is hard to find anyone - outside the airline industry - to advocate air travel as fervently as Bladon advocates the right to drive, the right to fly is another area of confusion and mixed messages. Even those who regard themselves as "responsible tourists" want to carry on flying. Typical is a comment by travel agent Chris Bland on the GreenTraveller website: "While I agree with trying to limit gratuitous flying by second-home commuters or business travel junkies, I don't want genuine travellers and adventurous tourists to be dissuaded from exploring the world. For me, the message would be: fly less and make it count when you do."

From politicians, however, there is a collective reluctance to take on any of those in the wealthiest and most influential sector of the electorate - whatever their reason for getting on a plane. "Doing anything about global warming is going to hit the middle classes first," says Peter Ainsworth, the shadow environment secretary. "A lot of them do support the Daily Mail view that this is just another means of imposing more stealth taxes. Convincing them that being more energy-efficient is actually going to save money - it is not easy."

Sir Jonathon Porritt, chairman of the Sustainable Development Commission, also points to government resistance to any discussion of limitations on car travel or foreign holidays. "Politicians are preoccupied with trying to keep the same level of consumption with a lower output of carbon. In fact, we will end up paying so much for high-carbon goods that rationing will come in because of price rather than government mandate." Porritt himself believes our collective desire for self-preservation will soon win through because of the evident warming up of our world. Mark Lynas, the New Statesman columnist and author of the book Six Degrees: life in a hotter climate, argues, however, that government action is imperative. "It doesn't make sense for people to make individual sacrifices while the world goes on around them. The unwillingness of people to act just reinforces the need for government to do something collectively."

Elsewhere, there is plenty of support for the view that, barring a Katrina-style hurricane ca tastrophe hitting Britain, consumers will not change. "It's very sad, but I actually think we might need a whole series of disasters in different countries before people make the connection," said Brian Hoskins, professor of meteorology at Reading University and a fellow of the Royal Society. "There has always been a conflict between social behaviour and selfish behaviour, but the environment is bearing down on us. It is a huge challenge to see if we can do something 20 years before it bites. We have to be optimistic about it, because otherwise we might as well give up.

"The political parties have taken off on this, but they have left behind them a considerable proportion of the electorate who are still wedded to Margaret Thatcher's notion of individual freedom to do your own thing."

According to Solitaire Townsend, founder of Futerra, a company specialising in sustainability communications, the obvious way to affect public opinion is through what she terms the cultural media - television soaps such as EastEnders or Desperate Housewives: "It is quite easy to 'de-status' things by presenting them as un- aspirational," she says. "If a big 4x4 is such an embarrassment that the kids don't want to be dropped off at school in it, then that's a success for us. The environmental movement has always focused on news and policy-makers, and forgotten how you change what people want. You can't stop people wanting status symbols, but you can make them aspire to different ones."

Numerous studies of collective psychology demonstrate that the greater the threat, the more people are inclined ignore it. John Elkington, founder of the think-tank SustainAbility, pointed out that, after the bombing of Pearl Harbor when America entered the Second World War, Ford went on making cars because they said people needed them. It was only when government intervention forced the company to turn its production lines to munitions, that Ford joined the war effort. "People almost enjoy being confused about big issues because it gives them the excuse to do nothing," Elkington said.

He does not think any major change will be orchestrated by government: "All governments are hopelessly conflicted by the pressures from industry and business. My hunch is that climate is going to give us some powerful nudges, which will cause people to panic. Ultimately though, I don't think change will come about through consumers either. It will be the result of colossal pressure from the financial markets. The costs from natural disasters caused by global warming, which are being born by the reinsurance giants such as Swiss Re and Munich Re, are simply going off the scale."

Unanswerable question

There are still those, however, who maintain that acceptance of the need to change will filter gradually through society. "It is an incredibly interesting social phenomenon," said Tim Jackson, professor of sustainable development at Surrey University. "I think we are at a turning point in the relationship between mankind and the environment, but people so far still don't see the responsibility as theirs. They think it is the job of government and big business. At some stage, society as a whole is going to have to enter the discussion."

The unanswerable question of how to do that still remains. Last month, the Market Research Society celebrated its 50th anniversary with a conference discussion heralding the age of the "ethical brand", which it predicted would be embraced first by the "bourgeois bohemians", the economically conservative but socially liberal baby-boomers who are the new establishment. In the absence of a climate-inspired natural disaster, however, it seems unlikely that the threat of global warming will cause the rampant materialism of even the most socially conscious sector of society to be suddenly replaced by a set of long-lost pre-industrial values.

Earlier this month, the 800 scientists involved in the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change produced their latest report. The 1,572-page document, with its predictions of death and destruction in the developing world, provided plenty of reassurance for stubborn westerners that none of it is anything to do with them. So how will the IPCC convince them of the need to accept their responsibility? Its spokesman was baffled by the question: "They just have to," he said.

Not on the evidence so far. Back in London, civil servants at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) were last week labouring over their own "behaviour change strategy" - what it would take to get different sections of the population to change their behaviour. Next month, a "citizens summit" is being planned to decide on the shape of this strategy. When Defra was asked for the agenda, however, it was clear that the department still did not know what it would be.

Trying to get the message across . . .

Defra has been running pilot "recycling incentive schemes" across the country, giving vouchers to good recyclers or entering them into recycling lottery prize draws.

Ken Livingstone is offering Londoners £100 cash back if they accept cut-price insulation for their homes.

The Department for Transport's "Cycle to Work" scheme lets employees buy tax-free bikes and accessories through their employers.

Toyota has released an attractive (believe it or not) hybrid car. The part-electric, part-petrol Prius is also exempt from the London congestion charge.

Tesco is attempting to tackle plastic bag wastage with its "Bag for Life" scheme. The hard-wearing bags cost 10p and customers are encouraged to reuse them until they finally wear out (when they are replaced free of charge).

Pop stars including Madonna, Genesis, the Red Hot Chili Peppers and Razorlight (Johnny Borrell, pictured right) are climbing on board with a series of Live Earth concerts planned across seven continents on 7 July. The intention is to raise popular awareness of climate change. Organisers promise to keep the gigs as carbon-neutral as possible.

The Real Nappy Campaign is trying to persuade parents that giving up disposable nappies will save them at least £300, as well as being better for the environment.

Property sellers now need to provide a "Home Information Pack" to prospective buyers, which includes a certificate on the home's energy efficiency.

Research: Sarah O'Connor

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52 comments from readers

DCarins
19 April 2007 at 09:48

Of course people don't want to "believe" the science. We are an anti-intellectual society; believing the science means that people have to give up the selfish convenience of our lifestyle; we crave the independence of our unsustainable lifesyles because we don't have to rely on other human beings; we hate responsibility and commitment and more importantly, we increasingly dislike humanity itself - I would imagine that a lot of the people think climate change is a good thing because it will kill off a lot of poor brown people who are competing for the resources that allow us to continue those lifestyles.

It really isn't surprising. We like to blame governments for inaction - but in a democracy, who can blame governments for being cautious about taking real action against the wishes of the electorate? We get the society we deserve. Let's make like the Easter Islanders, and our "great" Western Capitalist society may even end up a cautionary footnote in many years to come...

dobermanmacleod
19 April 2007 at 12:39

It is unlikely that mankind will significantly cut their greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions in the short term.

A growing and developing population is likely to increase their GHG emissions (expected to double by mid-century), not so severely cut them so fast as to avoid runaway global warming.

Nature now soaks up about half of mankind's CO2 emissions, but that is expected to reduce 30% by 2030. Furthermore, as the world heats up, carbon sinks will become carbon emitters.

In other words, whatever reasonable cuts we can expect mankind to make in their GHG emissions, they will be overwhelmed by nature.

tantalus
19 April 2007 at 13:02

Well, if the present government reaction to global warming is anything to go by, no wonder people are dubious. Gordon Browns response to global warming has been, only rhetoric and stealth taxes, if instead of the approach of higher taxes, can they not provide other incentives for people to live more carbon frinedly lifestyles? Can they not instead of increasing taxes, provide financial incentives to alter peoples lifestyles? Its difficult to believe anything that comes out the mouths of these lying shysters so why should the prospect of increasing taxes to combat global warming be any different.

Could of suggestions

1) Discount portion of stamp duty for emenrgy efficient homes

2) Discount council tax on energy efficient homes

3) Using supermarket loyalty schemes to incetivise reuse of shopping bags or leaning on the supermarkets to try and limit usage.

If I was able to see a policy balanced between taxation and alternate methods of incentivasation I may be a bit more inclined to be receptive to the global warming argument.

While the government continue to go for its favoured soft underbelly and increase taxation on middle classes I will continue to believe that thier interest in global warming is financial and not altruist

Oliver
19 April 2007 at 13:17

Lois Rogers writes of a ‘tipping-point’ at which people may be led into actually changing their behaviour; the underlying assumption being that once that happens our ‘leaders’ will be able to engage the people into entering the ‘green debate’ and, presumably, lead the world towards a new future.

Sadly, by then, another ‘tipping-point’ will have passed, the point at which global warming has become self-inducing, and once that has passed the green debate will not be about how to defeat global warming, but whether the human race will die with dignity and compassion or in murderous chaos.

When shall the climate reach that tipping-point? Has it already done so? Some climatologists believe that unless, within the next ten (or three or seven) years, the behaviour of the human race, both individually and corporately, is forced to change so completely that civilization as we know it is dismantled and global warming is replaced by positive global cooling (in a social situation which we quite successfully lived through in the 1940s), we are done for and will sooner or later fry.

That sort of change can only be imposed by legislation.

Imposing that sort of legislation, world-wide, presents difficulties, but unfortunately the sun doesn’t take these into account. The melting of the ice-caps is under way. Beyond a certain calculable point there is no going back, even if going back was a political option.

So let us stay in denial, or comfort ourselves with well-meant waffle. It won’t make any difference

Oliver Postgate

mitchy
19 April 2007 at 13:59

Frankly, we all deserve to die, either by fire or ice depending on the eventual outcome of our childish meddling with our (only ) home. Until we shake off our capitalist ways, our idiotic obsession with manufactured needs and wants and our egocentric attitudes (all instilled in us by capitalism, a rod for our own backs if ever there was one), then we're going to get what we deserve. Humankind as a species needs to collectively grow up if it is to have any hope of survival. We need to stop squabbling over resources, learn to live together and stop shitting where we eat, otherwise.....

taghioff.info
19 April 2007 at 15:58

The frightening thing is that that debate in the UK is ahead of that in many other countries. I am conducting research into the social responses to climate change in India, and what is frigthening is that it is a million miles from most people's concerns.

The English speaking media is dominated by aspirational images of consumption, and the lives of the non-elites are so far from climate change as to boggle the mind, it is much more about getting by day to day for them.

What is frightening about all this is that it implies the need for radicalism on the part of our leaders. After Bush and Blair, radical leadership has got a bad name, but how on earth do you turn societies around at such speed?

The only saving grace in all of this is that the lives of the rich are tied up with the lives of the poor via cheap manufacturing and services.

This is much weaker than a democratic connection between rich and poor, but is the best thing we have right now, until radical leadership emerges that admits that the current setup is not going to see us through: There is a political disconnect between our actions and their consequences, i.e. rich world consumption and poor world demise, so we are paralysed in the face of this emergency.

So where is the radical leadership able to get a grip of our institutions?

sianberry
19 April 2007 at 16:24

The government is sending out mixed messages on climate change - on the one hand claiming to recognise that it's the greatest threat out there (as conceded by both Chief Scientist David King and Tony Blair) but on the other hand sponsoring unprecedented growth in areas like air travel and road building.

No wonder people feel confused: if it's so important, why won't they do anything of substance about it?

The reality is climate change is happening, we are seeing the effects already, and the window of opportunity in which to act is shrinking fast. Individual behaviour change - whatever county you are in - can go a long way to make a difference, but to make a real dent in our carbon emissions, we need politicians to change the framework in which we live.

Providing cheap, efficient public transport; making environmentally friendly products cheaper than their carbon-heavy counterparts; facilitating massive growth in the renewable energy industry; all these are in the government's gift, and could make double-figure reductions in our carbon emissions.

Until government policy begins to tally with government rhetoric, the section of the public that don't believe in climate change are going to carry on as they are: it is up to politicians to lead the way on this.

Tony Juniper
19 April 2007 at 17:00

There has been a massive increase in awareness of climate change over the last couple of years and millions of people are keen to do something about it – as demonstrated by the surge in interest in green products – from carbon offset schemes to energy efficient light bulbs. Clearly there are people out there who are still confused about climate change. The important thing is that they pause between doubt and despair and recognise the solutions are out there.

However if we are really going to get to grips with the problem we cannot leave it to voluntary action by concerned individuals. It is imperative the Government takes the lead by making it easier and cheaper for individuals and businesses to reduce their carbon footprint. That’s why Friends of the Earth has been campaigning for the Government to introduce a climate change law which commits the UK to reducing its emissions by at least 3 percent annually.

Tony Juniper, Friends of the Earth Director

d.beck
19 April 2007 at 23:11

If you don't believe in climate change or know someone who doesn't, please check this out:

Why the recent Climate Report was so Harsh

http://www.omahaimc.org/newswire/display/997/index.php

ABD
20 April 2007 at 08:56

Climate change is not a new phenomenon, nor is it driven by CO2 - which has always followed temperature changes - 'action' against the harmless gas CO2 will not allow us to control the weather or climate. The surface warming is greater than the warming in the lower atmosphere (troposhere), which has recently been confirmed by a new (2007) paper from the University of Alabama research group. This contradicts and falsifies climate models of greenhouse warming, as does the lack of an increase in ocean heat content over the past 5 years (see 2007 correction to the Lyman et al paper). The latest Hurricane research (Vecchi G. A., B. J. Soden 2007) provides further evidence that the busy period we've seen in the Atlantic hurricanes since 1995 is due to natural cycles, rather than man-made causes. We've seen a big reduction in wind shear in the last thirteen hurricane seasons, which is OPPOSITE to the signal that Vecchi and Soden have linked to man-made global warming changes. The New Statesman article is ill-informed, as are the agenda driven climate alarmists.

Peter Ainsworth
20 April 2007 at 09:15

I am not as pessimistic as Professor Hoskins; but then I guess you'd hardly expect a politician to offer a counsel of despair. I know that climate change can seem huge, complex, remote and someone else's problem. "Look at China", people say (which is a fair point, the only solution will be a global one) or - as Tony Blair has taken to saying - "We're only 2% of the global problem" (which is untrue as well as rather pathetic).

So let's start closer to home. People care deeply and passionately about their local environments - from grime and graffiti through to urban green spaces and protecting the green belt. Last year the Conservatives ran our local election campaign under the banner 'Vote Blue Go Green.'

We reckon that was a success - so much so that we are doing it again this year. There is a deep wellspring of green feeling in Britain, of wanting to do the right thing: we need to tap into this in order to tackle the huge threat of climate change.

Admittedly, this is a more complicated message to sell. But it's worth remembering that we are only at the start of the journey towards a low carbon economy. We shouldn't be, of course - it's well over 20 years since Margaret Thatcher first alerted the world's politicians to the dangers of climate change - and the intervening inertia has left us with a lot to do in a short time. But despite the fact that some of us have been banging on about it for a while, it's really only in the last couple of years that the issue has become politically mainstream.

Likewise, the media has only recently started to grapple with the issues of climate change beyond the sceptical "is it happening or not?" I hope you think it fair of me to say that we have David Cameron's leadership to thank for much of the political traction that now exists around the issue.

It is no surprise that the precise implications of climate change are taking a while to filter through into a general popular consciousness.

This has been true of many big new campaigns, from Aids through to Drink Driving.

I think - I hope - that 2007 will be the year we reach the tipping point in public awareness of climate change and in understanding what can be done. There are really encouraging signs of a shift in public attitudes. Tesco haven't launched their various green initiatives without having done their research. Marks and Spencer are on the case; so are the Women's Institute, Sienna Miller, and Christian Aid.

The message will sink in.

Peter Ainsworth

Shadow Secretary of State for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

ChrisGoodall
20 April 2007 at 10:08

Getting people to do things against their own economic self interest is always difficult. But everybody I know in the UK climate change field is struck by the huge rise in interest in personal action to limit emissions. Opinion surveys suggest that about 25% of the UK population is willing to contemplate significant restrictions on economic freedom. (See http://www.yougov.com/archives/pdf/TEL060101021_1.pdf for example.) I suspect that this number is rising and will continue to do so. In the UK at least, we are therefore not far from the point at which politicians see electoral support for really robust action on climate change.

Chris Goodall - author 'How to Live a Low-carbon Life'

PCB
20 April 2007 at 12:16

No one should be expected to 'believe' in science - that is what you do with religion. They need to understand. However, when one understands the alleged science supporting climate change, what amounts to very simplistic models (in comparison to what they represent), it is easy to see why the green lobby press for people to 'believe'. Modelling is not science, which is the study of what exists and not the predicition of what may be, but rather an engineering tool. And when one works (as I have done) with modelling in engineering (including atmospheric gas and heat flows) you realise the limitations to understanding, let alone prediction, that modelling entails.

Tomorrow's England
20 April 2007 at 13:56

There are a number of often complex reasons why so many people are not taking climate change seriously. Many of us still believe it will affect only far away places in someone else’s lifetime and that even if climate chaos does ever come to Britain, a nation like ours will surely be able to get round the problems.

Think of the media-fuelled images that we currently associate with climate change: smoke rising from tropical rainforests; violent storms pounding Caribbean communities; polar bears searching for stable ice shelves; glaciers retreating farther into the world’s mountain ranges; drought-stricken grazing lands littered with the sun-bleached bones of cattle; starving brown-skinned children sitting in the dust…

All vivid, horrible and disturbing to us in the UK but all so far away… almost another world that we in Britain subconsciously see as an optional extra that we can choose to ignore.

The big question that remains unanswered is how will climate change affect us? In Newcastle and in Plymouth; in Lancashire, Leicestershire, Oxfordshire and Hampshire; in Bristol and in Norwich; and in Leeds and in London? And when? We all need to know whether climate change will be local as well as global, and whether it will be soon or far in the future. That’s not being selfish: it’s being normal.

This is the basis of the Tomorrow’s England project (http://www.climatechangeandme.net), joint work between 11 environmental and community organisations, funded through the Climate Challenge Fund. Tomorrow’s England is looking at how climate change might impact on food production, the economy, jobs, where we live, how we live and, most important, our quality of life, our well being. Here in this country.

The aim is to bring climate change home, to show that, unless we take action, it is likely to affect us and the places around us within our own lifetime or the lifetime of those we care about.

One other reason why people are not facing up to climate change is simply that psychologically they don’t want to. It’s too daunting and they feel too helpless. Climate change comes within our personal sphere of concern but many feel it doesn’t come within their sphere of influence. In other words, they think they can’t do much about it.

The most important thing that government and the environmental movement must be able to offer people is agency, the ability to make a real difference personally. The message has got to be – and truthfully it is – that if we do nothing, if we don’t change, there may be very uncertain or even difficult times ahead, but that scientists agree we can still take effective action to avoid the worst. But we must start now.

Stephen Hounsham, Co-ordinator, Tomorrow’s England

Douglas Chalmers
20 April 2007 at 15:57

There is one thing for certain. No amount of marauding aircraft carrier attack groups or threats of pre-emptive strikes with nuclear WMD's will make the slightest difference to the hurricane Katrinas, the rising sea levels or the devastating droughts!

stan35
21 April 2007 at 00:53

Climate change as it affects England and Europe

In an article published in Time Magazine based on scientific findings regarding Greenland, it was found that from 1996 t0 2006, that Greenlands ice cover was melting 10 times faster. It also stated that in 2006 that the temperature was only 0.5 degrees C less than the estimated temperature in that location when greenland last had a complete meltdown.

Thats global warming. The fact that Greenlands ice is made up of fresh water rather than salt water means according to the atricle, that the warm currents that keep the climate of England moderate and parts of Europe so warm, will be affected by this fresh water run off and will actually make those areas colder than they are at present. The other thing is that as Greenlands rate of melt increases, so the sea level rises. Many scientists base their findings on models that allow for very orderly increases rather than "order of magnitude" increases as it is impossible to calculate with any accuracy the latter.

I believe that the human impact on the climate began many many years ago and as our planet reacts to pressures upon it so very slowly, that it also will try to self correct the imbalances, also very slowly. It is likely that mankind will in the end become like many other species on this earth. It is always good to be humble and remember that we breathe and bleed and grieve like the majority of other species on this planet and we can as easily face extinction.

walterallenhaxton
21 April 2007 at 07:21

Many people are saying that humanity is affecting the environment. That has to be true. They are part of it and act in it. If what we are doing now increases the temperature of the earth then it does.

What can we do that would decrease the temperature of the planet. I happen to think not putting CO^2 into the atmosphere would take to much time to make any difference at all. The half life of CO^2 is around 200years.

Isn't there something we can do instead. Volcanoes are very good at causing global cooling. Just suppose we found out how they do it and were to start doing it ourselves. I bet we could cool things down fast. The real question is how do we regulate what we do properly. If we were to cool it too much that could be a bad thing too.

Think about it. We can do it. Should we????

linda
21 April 2007 at 20:09

I'm a child from the Netherlands and I think it's a crime... that we're doing nothing against the global warming.. Sometimes I've got a feeling I'm breathing wrong things.. I mean CO2 you know... I want to talk with someone about the global warming, and I want to save the erth too.. my msn= lindatjuh_kb@hotmail.com and thanks for this information site..

tomfrom66
22 April 2007 at 08:25

You might not think it possible that anyone could make David Cameron look like an "eco-freak" but there is a VIP in Europe who has achived just that.

On March 22nd, EU Commissioner José Manual Barroso attacked Cameron's plans to restrict flying.

He told the Torygraph:

"Cheap air travel is great for our civilisation. When we think now that people have the freedom to circulate instead of being confined to a small territory, it is great progress."

So how would he tackle climate change?

"We should set binding standards and targets by law but to come to specific individual targets is counter-productive. It can turn people against the cause. Let's do it, collectively with a good spirit but without being intrusive in people's lives."

Now who's in denial?!

proudlyleft
22 April 2007 at 16:15

We do not believe it because it makes our privileged lives more comfortable -- just as we do not believe that our votes and governments are responsible for a great deal of the misery in many Asian, African and South American countries (not to mention overlooked regions of Europe etc).

vickymoller
22 April 2007 at 17:18

surrounded here by people doing low impact low co2 lifestyles, quite easily.

but this is countryside.

looking at the comments I think nearly everyone is asking - how the hell do we make a difference?

Guardino
22 April 2007 at 22:07

Can action by individuals make the difference to physical outcomes required to mitigate the predicted changes to the climate? As an analogy: it might make sense for the British to start driving on the right to avoid the confusion when motorists - and pedestrians - arrive from Europe, but unilateral action by individuals would not help to achieve this change.

If the bien pensants are persuaded to foreswear flying, won’t the only change in companies’ behaviour be to seek new markets by adapting pricing policy? The call for individual repentance and amendment serves to distract from the need for effective pressure on governments and international authorities. Such bodies may need to limit individual and corporate freedom to pollute, or to engineer solutions, whether to carbon emissions’ effect on climate, or on the detrimental effects of any significant climate change.

dosomethingaboutit
22 April 2007 at 22:13

the only thing i find quite interesting is that more people talk and talk and talk about doing something about it, and no more then a bare handful actually try to find out chemically, what we can really do to save our ozone, and try and stop global warming. i mean obviously, its going to happen eventually, the sun is constantly growing and growing and one day verrrrry far off in the future it will consume all planets and eventually implode on its self and create a massive black hole. but, that so majorly far off of course and completely not in this lifetime. it is so much more easier to talk about being anti global warming, and wanting to do something about it, so that you make yourself feel better, convincing yourself that you are doing things for the better mankind, when as you drive off in your car, you are more then likely contridicting yourself and just adding to the cause. the tons and tons off chemical output by factories, trains, automobiles, and homes even, not to mention things that we make our selves breathe in, although not THAT big of a cause, but still contributing such as the burn off of drugs, tobacco, and such, are completely destroying our earth, and we rae deliberately doing these things for our own selfish needs, while we sit back and have the gul to say,"i'm helping the world. im against this global warming, thus im emaculate." when every word that comes out of our mouths are totally and utterly contridictary. i do believe that there is a chemically, and reasonable way to help the o-zone layer. we just need to think outside the box and find out how we, as inhabitants on this earth, can holt the selfdistruction of our own planet we call home.

dosomethingaboutit
22 April 2007 at 22:31

btw

that comment i left down there.

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i live in america

&& i may not live over in england,

or europe, africa, asia, or any other eastern country,

but i just thought you would like to hear my ideas on global warming.

dosomethingaboutit
22 April 2007 at 23:01

yes, i know, another comment, but i pose this question to all that read::

even if we were to cut back on chemical out put into the earth's atmostphere, causing not as much damage to the o-zone layer, slowing even further global warming, that only goes so far. what could we do to possibly repair the o-zone layer, perhaps chemically? if its found in the atmostphere, the chemicals and substances making up the o-zone layer, theoretically, should be able to be found elsewhere on earth, and could possibly be put back into the atmosphere causing it to adapt to the new chemical input, making it not only stronger, but repairing the o-zone layer, and even more slowing the global warming process. Now, granted, we would have to critically think on this, and invent tools to do so, but inevitably, it would help the repairing of the o-zone layer. The real question, since i am far from being an expert, could this actually be possible? Granted, it would be very difficult, but, for us as human to strive through this, and put our greatest mind to the test, it would be an enormous achievement, but again i pose the question, do you think this could be possible??

David Miliband
23 April 2007 at 14:52

I think we do the British public a disservice if we assume that they aren’t willing to do their bit in the fight against climate change.

From what I’ve seen, it’s the reverse. There are a lot of simple things people can do to tackle climate change - such as turning down their heating thermostat, recycling more, buying energy efficient goods, or even offsetting their remaining CO2 emissions. And the signs are people are increasingly doing them.

But what's also clear to me is that people and communities aren't going to fully sign up to what I call the 'deal on climate change', unless government and business show that they're also serious about cutting their own emissions.

In fact, government and business have a responsibility to act themselves, and to provide the information and support that individuals need so that they can reduce their CO2 footprint.

That's why today's launch of the Climate Group's 'We're In This Together' campaign, which I attended, is significant.

It shows that big business is acting to reduce their own emissions, and also that they're willing to go that one step further and provide individuals with the tools necessary for them to reduce their own CO2. And by working together I believe we can make a difference.

Government's got a crucial role to play as well. We have to empower individuals to make the right choices to reduce their CO2 footprints. We'll soon be launching a new CO2 Calculator which will help people add up their personal CO2 footprint and provide suggestions for the action they need to take to reduce it. You can get a sneak preview of what the calculator will look like by visiting here

There's also the range of policies in place which can help people improve the energy efficiency of their homes.

Tackling climate change isn't just about what individuals can do, although that's a key part of the jigsaw. We need to move our whole economy to one that is low carbon. That's why we recently published the landmark Climate Change Bill, which will make the UK's carbon reduction targets legally binding. But the Government also needs to influence other nations to join the global fight against climate change. And it's partly by showing that individuals and businesses in the UK are willing to reduce their own carbon emissions that we've got a stronger chance of getting China, India and the US to sign up to a global deal.

David Miliband

Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

taghioff.info
23 April 2007 at 17:18

David

The problem is not this government is not covering all the bases in terms of saying the right things, the problem is that there is a crisis in terms of people on the ground believing it.

If people see one part of government doing one thing (lets fight climate change!) and another part doing another (lets build more airports!) it reminds them of the other times they have been lied to (lets invade Iraq! - they are really really dangerous to us.)

This may be unfair, the government may be doing quite a lot, considering how powerful business interests are in this country, but mixed messages are not going to motivate the British population, and to think that they are so easily fooled as to buy into them, is more to underestimate them.

Whatever happened to joined up thinking, or was it never meant to lead to joined up action?

AndyHobs
24 April 2007 at 14:53

Just a quick point about the C4 spokesman’s comment: “The best time to have a debate is generally when people say there is no further need for one."

By that logic we can all look forward to follow-up documentaries on how smoking is actually good for us, the best diet for kids is crisps and mars bars, and the Holocaust never really happened.

I suspect that Channel 4 knows climate change is legitimately past its debate-by date, but this is about sensationalism.

Announcing that global warming is a con is controversial and gets ratings. It’s also exactly the message people so desperately want to hear which makes the sophistry doubly dangerous and cynical.

StevenL
24 April 2007 at 20:46

'we increasingly dislike humanity itself - I would imagine that a lot of the people think climate change is a good thing because it will kill off a lot of poor brown people' (DCairns)

Well the first part of that statement sums up the environmentalist movement for you. The best thing 'poor brown people' can do is dig up their natural resources such as coal, burn them and develop their economies. They they can buy more medicine, a better infastructure, have clean water, electricity and live longer.

StevenL
24 April 2007 at 20:50

'... once that has passed the green debate will not be about how to defeat global warming, but whether the human race will die with dignity and compassion or in murderous chaos' (Oliver)

Listen to yourself man! Is this really the nation that won two world wars?

gnuneo
25 April 2007 at 00:03

what we need is what the govt in Denmark did - it didnt just wait for "market forces" or "consumer power" to decide that building electricity generating windmills was a good idea - it provided funds for research, helped build the factories to produce them, and put them into place.

the same is required for air travel - people in the West are not going to stop flying!! What is required is that the govt put investment into research of more environmentally friendly ways of flying, such as airships. With modern tech they are safer than conventional jets, and the first country to transform into a bulk air-ship producer will have an *enormous* global lead as air fuel continues to climb skyward in price (excuse the pun ;)), and the style of travel of Airships becomes infintiely more attractive than being sardines in ever more cramped conventional jet conditions.

This is how Denmark now has global leadership in windmill tech, sells windmills across Europe and even in the US. It spotted an opportunity, and invested in it.

The same is true in so many other areas of envirnmentalism - why did not the govt purchase rover, hand its shares to the workforce to create innovation through self-interest, bung a wad of cash into hybrid cars, and let rover become the european leader in hybrids/economically sound vehicles?

a moderate investment that would have led to huge long-term benefits, not only envirmentally but also in terms of tx reciepts, benefits saved, and community regeneration.

why are our political leaders such cowards, and narrow thinkers?

we could pull out of iraq, we could not continue with this ludicrous ID card scheme, we could scrap the new trident. That would save well over £50,000,000,000, money that could be invested in employing people to upgrade homes, improve insulation, install double glazing etc.

It could have been used to build a 100mb internet connection to every home, again to employ 10s of thousands of people, and give the UK a lead in high-bandwidth fibre optic production. The connection could have been used to create a UKForum to increase democratic discussion and participation in society.

WHY SHOULD THE GENERAL PUBLIC TAKE GLOBAL WARMING SERIOUSLY WHEN ALL THEY SEE FROM POLITICIANS AND GOVT IS HOT AIR?!?

DogBrook
25 April 2007 at 12:14

The fact that people continue to do something does not mean they do not believe in the potential, even probable, negative outcomes at some point in the future (see smoking). We continue to fly to see the world, not because we disbelieve it will damage the world, but because either (a) we think everyone else is dong it so why should I miss out, and/or (b) we'll be dead before the planet goes pear shaped. Humanity, thy name is selfishness.

jeff
25 April 2007 at 16:28

I am personally optimistic about the long term future.

Technology has got us in this mess and is our only route out of it. It is really the short term prospects for a large section of the population that I worry about and this concern is reinforced by the articles findings. This shows that the solution is not just technological but biological. Darwin would be proud! The people who believe this only affects the 3rd world .... will in the end get what they deserve. The people who believe in some kind of divine intervention will do likewise. Arise Superman!

A Jacques
25 April 2007 at 21:29

I am sceptical about the effect of climate change ( that "within ten years we are literally doomed to burn up" ) because I do not believe that the Establishment believe in it. I will start to believe when, for example, MPs and the BBC reduce their travel budgets to about a tenth of their present size, Friends of the Earth actively sponsor nuclear power and the weekend newspapers cut out all their supplements. To back all this up, I would expect to see an ashen faced Tony Blair announcing to a packed House of Commons a series of eye wateringly tough austerity measures ( not proposals ) that would take immediate effect.

In other words, something commensurate with the alternative of being doomed to burn up within ten years.

Admin
26 April 2007 at 11:25

From Letters to the Editor...

An important reason why many people do not believe that global warming is serious (“Green Denial”, 23 April) is that leading Labour and Conservative politicians behave as if they did not believe it either. They claim that we can adjust to the threat without any sacrifice of economic growth, an implausible view that they make no attempt to substantiate. Fear of unpopularity prevents them from supporting measures which would be abundantly justified even if global warming did not exist, such as lowering speed limits, or even enforcing the existing limits.

I doubt if this craven behaviour brings any electoral advantage. People like to be told the truth and will respond to it.

Stephen Plowden

Admin
26 April 2007 at 11:26

From Letters to the Editor...

In the issue of 23 Apr Lois Rogers refers to a sentiment that "global wamring is an excuse to raise more taxes for everyone and motorists in particular". This sentiment is expressed quite frequently (e.g. when motorists deride parking or speeding fines as "just a way to raise money") and I think it is time it was tackled head on.

Democratic governments don't tax for the sake of it. They do so for just two

reasons: to finance the spending they believe is needed, and to discourage activities which they believe are harmful to society as a whole. So every so called "stealth tax" reduces the need for national and local government to raise income tax, VAT, council tax or whatever.

The sole question should therefore be whether greater focusing of taxation on motorists would benefit society at large. As one who believes that, even leaving global warming out of consideration, traffic is the greatest blight on modern society, my answer is an unhesitating "yes".

Yours sincerely, Simon Norton

Admin
26 April 2007 at 11:32

From Letters to the Editor...

The bafflement revealed by Lois Rogers (Green Denial, 23 April) of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and Defra’s ‘behaviour change strategy’ on how to convince people to accept responsibility for climate change, is simple enough to resolve.

The IPCC and Defra should set about changing their own behaviour first as an example to others. They could then demonstrate that it can be done and learn how to do it, rather than merely exhorting others to change. Only then would they be able to answer Rogers’ challenge.

I’m selling my car and buying a folding bike and will travel on trains and buses. What are IPCC members and Defra staff doing?

David Browning

Ann Link
26 April 2007 at 12:06

What is often ignored is that individual changes in (say) home energy use (which can be quite substantial, with the standard Energy Saving Trust advice tailored to the home) are probably already having an economic effect. It takes a small percentage change to affect the lead of one major company over another. It is especially worth making changes that can be counted, and telling other people what you are doing. I have been running home energy evenings for friends and neighbours, and I am sure I am not alone.

Av
26 April 2007 at 22:33

Europe and North America is now, at this time experiencing it's hottest spring season on record. Average temperatures are 10 degrees higher than "normal". Yet the majority of the population are enjoying the nice warm weather, strolling around in the sunshine and relaxing at pavement cafes and going on picnics.

It is only when they have no water to drink (thirst is a great equaliser), or when global crops fail (hunger is another huge wake-up call), or when they suffocate on noxious air, that they might actually become somewhat concerned and realise that global warming is a reality.

Here in South Africa we are experiencing an extremely hot autumn, with crop and livestock failure due to drought in our farming regions. Reality bites.

Scientists and environmentalists have been warning and predicting this phenomenon for over 20 years. The hole in the ozone layer was the first warning - what did we do - nothing. There were discussions about rainforest destruction and CFC emissions - then ho-hum everyone became a bit bored because they weren't directly affected.

Then we were told about climate change and the attitude of humanity and governments was "prove it". Now that it has been substantiated - still nothing definite is being done - and guess what? Nothing will be done. It is a bit too much effort for everyone to change their conspicuous consumption and greedy lifestyles.

Disinterest is generated when scientists talk of 5 deg temp rise in 100 years time - who cares what happens then? Children? Grandchildren? Great-grandchildren? They can sort it out. Live in a bubble or something.

900 tons of carbon dioxide PER SECOND being dumped into the atmosphere (senator McCain - www.mccain.senate.gov_office). Even if we were to stop all emissions tomorrow - there is no hope - it is too late.

It is astonishing that governments can spend billions upon billions investigating other planets in our solar system - whilst our own planet is in absolute peril.

The human parasite self-destructs.

And all other species are wiped out due to our dominant stupidity and carelessness.

What a wonderful place this earth was - it was a place of great beauty and magnificence and provided for our every need and desire. What did we do? In a blink of time, we sucked it dry.

Leo Murray
28 April 2007 at 14:46

Individual action to change our own lifestyles has no possibility of delivering the kind of CO2 cuts required; most people make choices based on their personal circumstances, which is perfectly reasonable, and not according to altruistic principles that will place them at a competitive disadvantage. Those who are prepared to make personal sacrifices for the sake of the greater good when those around them continue on with business as usual are a tiny minority. Individual action can't address this problem.

The notion that businesses and corporations will be able to respond appropriately to the imminent threat of catastrophic climate change is a wildly deluded fantasy. What possible incentive could such organizations have for doing so? Corporations exist to make profit for their shareholders, not address social or environmental injustices or indeed any other issues you could care to name. This is the primary and effectively sole function of a business, since the pursuit of this agenda must supersede all other concerns. If your business depends on causing climate change to make a profit, then that is simply the price that must be paid to stay in business.

What I am getting at is that the responsibility rests on National governments to work together to implement drastic changes that will alter our society and our economies so much as to make them almost unrecognizable. The situation we now face is comparable to a World War. Imagine Churchill hadn't wanted to impinge on people's personal freedoms by imposing rationing, and instead simply asked everyone to eat a bit less. We would have lost that battle. This threat is worse than that faced by England in WWII, it is just less immminent. But no less urgent. We need every government in the world to agree to Contraction and Convergence immediately! In the mean time, Mr Miliband we ABSOLUTELY MUST NOT build more airports. That is patently insane at this stage. Not including aviation in our national carbon reduction targets isn't fooling anyone. Sticking your fingers in your ears and going la-la-la-I-can't-hear-you isn't going to make the fastest growing source of emissions go away. Deal with it.

Leo Murray

Plane Stupid

Mark harrop
28 April 2007 at 20:32

What is annoying about these discussions is the oft holier than thou assumptions of the new righteous. It is also alarming that these ideas are becoming evermore predominant. Yet no-one with any sense denies climate change as the world has been through many dramatic changes during its lifespan.

What is still in dispute is the level of impact our actions have had. Here again though we are able to see that we can also affect such things in a positive manner should we choose. Though such a view is anathemic to those that cry out doom.

That is the main problem with environmentalism, ie. its denial of human agency as a force for good on a grand scale. Instead we get repetitive and patronising advice as to the simple measures we can take to tackle climate change - turn down the heating, reduce, reuse, recycle, use pubic transport/bicycles and trade emissions.

(Some people really ought to be hoist by their own emissions.)

According to the Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution report: Urban Environments, just 2% of the world's landsurface is urbanised/built (out of 30% land/ 70% water split). That leaves a huge expanse that is wilderness, natural, preserved or farmed and suggests we've barely scratched the surface let alone depleted resources.

Shame on you treehugger types out there for it is your outlook that will condemn future generations to the whims of nature if unchecked. Intermittent natural power supply will not guarantee controllable and deliverable energy in any amount that gives us a comfortable life (see Wind power in Denmark, Dr V.C. Mason, www.countryguardian.net).

Further, without an enquiring nature and the development of complex and cheap mass produced technologies we would nether have the time nor means to have this discussion nor have been any the wiser.

I think this will prove to be a dangerous and problematic route for, particularly western, society and the UK, seemingly lacking any other credible raison d'etre, is at the forefront of promoting this. How much the UK is reliant on convincing the rest of the world to slow down is anyone's guess but what's left of UK and european manufacture can't compete against it's growing far eastern counterpart, especially if they opt to take less of a head in the sand approach.

Regards,

Mark Harrop

www.frontline-online.blogspot.com

Av
30 April 2007 at 12:09

Only 2% of the landsurface is urbanised? (as per above comment). And look what damage that 2% has done.

This may well be true, yet this 2% urbanisation does not sit in sublime isolation. Urban areas are certainly not self-sustaining little pockets scattered across a miniscule portion of the earth. It is this very urbanisation that impacts greatly on the remaining 98% of the planet.

It is negligant to consider otherwise.

Farmland, which supplies food to the urbanites occupies 40% of landsurface (www.taipeitimes.com/ The Guardian, San Franscisco). Farming is definitely not a bucolic, ecologically friendly activity, that has no adverse affect on the environment. It is well known that use of pesticides, herbicides and fertilisers cause soil and water pollution. Methane gas from livestock is another side-effect.

Deserts make up another 30% of the landsurface (www.field-guides.com/sci/desert). Although generally uninhabitable by humanity, these landscapes are utilised for mining, oil drilling and supply (for urbanites use). Wandering Bedouin and Shammer peoples with grazing herds of horses, sheep, goats, camels and buffaloes also occupy these regions. Untouched wilderness? No.

Mountainous regions constitute a further 26% of landsurface. Where possible, 600 million people live in these regions. Only the uninhabitable areas of the mountains are free of population. Yet even these landscapes are not untouched.

"Today mountainous regions comprise roughly one-third of designated protected areas worldwide, but they are still threatened by deforestation, unsustainable grazing, mining, poaching and poorly conceived development." (www.gfweb.org).

Uninhabited, non-urbanised rainforests (which presumably the commentator would group under "wilderness" area) once covered 14% of the landsurface. This is now down to 6%. "Barely scratched the surface"????

The "wilderness, natural, preserved" areas that the commentator refers to are certainly used by humanity, including urbanites. Where does he think all the consumables that they use for their comfortable lives come from? Not their 2% landsurface.

"Natural, wilderness and preserved" areas are also utilised for adventure, exploration, relaxation, wildlife viewing, hunting, poaching and indigenous food resources.

"Treehugger types out there" know that in some way or other, humanity has intruded upon the entire landsurface of the planet.

It is irresponsible to suggest otherwise.

historybuff
01 May 2007 at 07:45

Two factors drive emissions; population growth and ecominc growth; these are like a fuklly laden freight train going down the track and probably cannot be stopped; if demand for carbon products is reduced, prices will fall and demand and usage will quickly rise again, especially in the developing world. The countries that produce carbon fuels for export rely so heavily upon them that they have no choioce but to sell ever more of it, especially if the price falls.

S.H.A.M. Scam Sam
02 May 2007 at 05:22

I am amazed at the gullibility displayed by these (obviously intelligent) readers: how many times must it be repeated these are "predictions", based on unreliable climate models, before you start to treat the climate change debate for what it is - environmental navel gazing?

There's no emergency that we've got to gear up for - just look at the examples set by our leaders for proof. And the free-wheeling spewing of hatred for mankind's existence is really too much. (I can't imagine how some of you get up in the morning, wishing so much harm on your fellow man because they merely drive to work or enjoy a day of shopping. I mean no disrespect but some of you really need help.) Human beings are not a challenge for nature, we ARE nature.

I think the word chosen for the documentary - "swindle" - is quite apt for this situation, and, I hope, when this con game is over, everyone will remember how climate change supporters tried to scare us to death, tax us to the skies, and, ultimately, change us into hating our fellow man on such dubiously moral grounds. Like all cons - once exposed - everyone's going to feel a bit thick, for buying into this, but that's precisely when your anger should be swelling as well - and I hope you put it to good use.

Oh - and one more thing:

I'm right about this, and I want to remind you (like a lot of correct decisions he's made in the face of fierce opposition) my president, George W. Bush, did not "go along", as well.

And history will reward him, whether you ever will or not.

Av
02 May 2007 at 22:08

My fellow man is not driving to work or enjoying a day's shopping.

My fellow man is trying to scratch food out of drought parched land whilst his cattle bellow for water.

But why should that concern you?

S.H.A.M. Scam Sam
07 May 2007 at 11:37

"My fellow man is not driving to work or enjoying a day's shopping.

My fellow man is trying to scratch food out of drought parched land whilst his cattle bellow for water.

But why should that concern you?"

I don't know - why should it?

taghioff.info
08 May 2007 at 05:21

Becuase if scenarios like Rwanda or Darfur spread, via water stress and food insecurity brought on by climatic changes (which are allready occurring), then all that cheap production in China and Service industries in India that you (S.H.A.M.) use to keep life cheap will be affected.

So even someone devoid of sympathy can see a case for avoiding the climate change scenarios over 2 degrees c.

Maybe S.H.A.M. stands for S** Having any Morals.

Ceri
11 May 2007 at 15:29

I just cannot understand why people are still being so stubborn about the issue. I'm lucky because I'm studying environmental science and so I feel I have at least a decent level of insight into the issue and the evidence is pretty much undeniable. I can't imagine that if a group of chemists or physicists discovered something completely different of major significance that I would have the audacity to assume that I, with absoulutely no knowledge of the field by comparison, knew better than people that have devoted decades to their study. I would never turn around to someone and say "you're wrong" based on the words of some conspiracy theorists or 5 minutes of internet research. This is not about spite or population control, it's about saving what precious little we have before it's too late.

EcoLady
12 May 2007 at 13:46

I have written to many politicians and indeed, addressed my own local MP regarding emission saving and fuel use reduction. At best the only replies I have had simply refer me to websites. Why won't they listen? I am an agent who provides cheap, easily installed devices to be connected to any fossil using apparatus (cars, boilers, etc.) which upon fitting, will immediately reduce emissions and produce more energy from any given amount of fuel. These can be fitted TODAY by ANYONE using a fossil fuel to save between 5-20% IMMEDIATELY. Did my local MP give it a try - NO. Has he ever mentioned it to anyone else - I doubt it. I have seen him at various venues purporting to be 'environmentally responsiby on behalf of his party' but he doesn't even remember me. This won't save the world but it can do a little bit for everyone and let's remember (as a famous supermarket say) "Every little Helps". Just imagine a 10% saving over just say 40% of the fossil fuel burning public!

Dr Pat Hill-Cottingham, Climate Change Speaker
27 May 2007 at 22:53

Response to Lynne Featherstone and Beth Lea

An ocean is composed of many drops – people’s efforts in combating global warming are the drops in the ocean – of vital collective importance.

Of course, we can all have an effect on reduction of CO2 emissions and global warming but to have a real effect, the Government has to make a real commitment because the majority of the population does not have the capital for the work required.

If the billions of pounds estimated for a new generation of nuclear power stations (or spent on the Iraq war) were to be spent instead on insulation of all buildings in this country, there would be no need for half the present fossil and nuclear power plants. Add to that solar panels, PVs, heat exchange systems, methane digesters for sewage, farm and kitchen waste plus major installations - the Severn Barrage, tidal flow turbines and wind turbines and we will have obviated the need for power stations at all!

Global warming is the result of man’s activities – solar flares and natural climatic cycles do not account for the present level of CO2. (See the graphs in Al Gore’s book, An Inconvenient Truth) It is only when man’s activities are included in the equation that the change can be explained. Biology students are taught (I did it for years) about homeostasis (the maintenance of systems equilibrium), for example in relation to the control of body temperature, blood sugar and the functioning of the kidney and the principle of feedback control can also be applied to the earth’s weather. Homeostasis works because it is a negative feedback situation – in other words, temperature rise sets off controls to reduce it (sweating and expansion of surface blood vessels), that is, negative feed-back, but, if the temperature goes higher than the control mechanisms can cope with (in the case of the earth, winter freezing), temperature continues to rise until death results (positive feedback). The big problem is that it is an accelerating process – we all know that heat stroke has to be dealt with immediately to save life.

Global warming is therefore accelerating, ice is melting, permafrost under houses collapsing and the sea level inexorably rising. The IPCC estimates 2080 (it was 3000 in the last report) for melting of the world’s ice, but many scientists think this is optimistic and a more likely date is 2050. I, myself think 2030 but I won’t survive to find out if I am right! This rise could be 40 feet or more – enough to drown the major areas of farmland of the world and deltas where most people live. Coupled with population increase, this means food and freshwater shortage, displacement of millions of people and conflict. No-one dares mention the control of human population.

All this is a very good reason for not building a new generation of nuclear power stations. Sited near the coast, because they need large amounts of sea water for cooling, they are very vulnerable – flooding of the lagoons containing even low-level radioactive waste is a horror to be avoided at all costs. We have not yet solved the problems of storage of radionuclide waste for thousands of years (uranium has a half life of 24000 years – longer than ‘history’) and in any case uranium is another finite resource, like fossil fuels. Producing uranium fuel and building power stations with all that concrete produces massive amounts of CO2 and they take something like ten years to build when the uranium resource is estimated at 30 more years – or less if more power stations are built. In addition, nuclear power is highly subsidised – we do not pay the true cost and the costs involved in safe decommissioning (still not solved) will be enormous.

Once the installations are in place, renewable energy costs are low, there are no dangerous pollutants and they can be dismantled easily as technology progresses. My small village is planning to try and persuade its residents to go for self-sustainable energy production – but we will need grants to achieve our aims. With continuing rise in the costs of fuel, we will save a considerable amount of money. Meanwhile we carry on recycling and try to avoid waste by composting. Our dustbin (not a massive wheelie-bin) goes out once a fortnight, because we do not fill it in a week, and our District has a green box scheme for recycling. Unlike the average for the country of 20%, Somerset recycles 37% of its waste and produces massive amounts of garden compost.

I find it extremely worrying that Beth Lea does not appear to understand the science behind global warming because it means she will not be prepared for the crunch. Our solar panel (installed in April 2004), has saved something like £550 on our oil bill. Now we want a PV roof and much more insulation in our roof. Our house is old with solid stone walls so insulation is more costly than modern buildings, and, as pensioners, we have a small budget but see the savings in fuel bills as a major incentive.

Dr Pat Hill-Cottingham

Ecologist and Climate-change speaker.

yebiga
07 July 2008 at 06:32

The baby boomers are now around 60. They re having problems with their legacy, appearance, erections, and retirement plans.

They want to leave a better world for their grand-children. They want redemption - to save the planet.

Is there no end to their conceit and our gullibility?

We should all be very very afraid. The global warming phenomona is no more then the first clear evidence of our coming cultural senility. Once these boomers reach their 70s and 80s, our entire culture we will singing kum bah yah.

Many older people simply don't want to let go.

flipsidevision
13 July 2008 at 11:00

I am offended by Yebiga's comments. Born in 1951, I have devoted all my time and a lot of my money to launching Flipside Vision and creating the Calendar of Climate Change. This calendar is aimed at several different markets and is being used as an educational resource and a fundraising tool for Stop Climate Chaos and any other environmental charity that wants to raise funds in this focused way. We do not all sit back on our collective haunches and either do nothing or in the case of Yebiga, snipe under cover.

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