Don't mention the Europeans

Rachael Jolley

Published 05 September 2008

Palin fans found among the Conservative Christian bunch, really like to spread the word that voting Democrat would be a vote for being a bit more like Europe, or worst of all, France

Don’t mention Europe anywhere near a Republican – it makes steam streak out of their ears.

Europe is another world to them, where medicine is “socialised” and all religion is banned. I heard one Republican apologise to the Today programme’s James Naughtie before laying into this part of the world: “We don’t want to be like Europe,” he said, in tones heavy with the emphasis that being European would be the stuff of his nightmares.

This is quite obviously why a good section of the Republican party like Sarah Palin - because she is nothing like Europe, and is a proper American. And that would be because she likes to carry a rifle around (hurrah), isn’t interested in anything outside her national borders (excellent), and has only just discovered what a passport is (who cares).

Those Palin fans found among the Conservative Christian bunch, really like to spread the word that voting Democrat would be a vote for being a bit more like Europe, or worst of all, France. France epitomises, for them, all that is wrong with the world, and that would be because France, a Republic set up in the late 18th Century, separates church and state, a bit like, err, the United States. Oh yes, but that would be something that founders got wrong.

So if you want to be rude to a Republican – and god knows why you should – then suggest they might look a little bit French.

What is it that European countries have that they don’t want? Well, first off, of course, there is the point that Europe is a cornucopia of countries, 27 in the EU, and others that aren’t; each with their very own culture.

However some things that some European countries have that US Republicans might hate: a lower teenage pregnancy rate; higher social mobility; health systems free at the point of use; contraception.

This anti-Europeanism strain is strong in middle America, where is mixes with a good soupcon of anti-elitism, which is why GW Bush’s Man from Midland act played so well. Very down-home, hogs and all. Maybe these two threads explain why Jimmy Carter was pushed so far out of the spotlight at the Democratic convention.

Carter, a Nobel Prize winner and a man with an in-depth understanding of foreign affairs, didn’t get a starring role with the Obama show. The Democrats don’t have many ex-presidents in their back pocket, but they certainly have found it convenient to forget this one. Carter, an elder statesman, who definitely knows where his passport is kept – keeps himself busy trying to build coalitions in the Middle East, and talking in liberal international relations terms that are frankly a bit too European for many Americans. Mix that with worries about alienating the Jewish lobby, which have been critical of Obama on Israel, but not as critical as they are of Carter on Israel – and the consequence is that the Obama team might be just a bit scared of getting Carter too close to their bandwagon.

If they wanted a bit more foreign policy knowledge – and who is to say they do – then the last person they would be dialling would be James Earl. Not now, not ever. No way.

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12 comments from readers

haole
05 September 2008 at 17:33

Americans have very good reasons to be anti European:

1. We have fought many wars with the Kings, Queens , nazi and commies of Europe. After 911 Europe sympathized with us for a short time but your real sympathy is with those that kill Americans. This isn't new, been that way since 1776.

2. Your socialist culture is brutal. How many europeans were murdered by socialist experiemtns in the 20th century? Nazis 30 million, communists 60 million. Anybody want socialist medicine??

3. When Putin invaded Georgia there was not one "anti war" protest anywhere in Europe. You are still serfs who admire hitler putin, any serf master.

4. Eu democracy, vote again and again till you get it right.

5. Colonialism, many of the worlds problems are traced back to your system of slavery, the middle east Africa.

You europeans have only benefited from the USA. We liberated you from yourselves, vile ones.

Anthony Z
05 September 2008 at 18:07

haole: You Americans have only benefitted from us Europeans. After all, if we hadn't turned up in North America, you'd still be us.

I love that the NHS has now officially been compared to the holocaust. I'll use that one in the future, when I want to get a good hearty laugh.

haole
05 September 2008 at 18:17

Socialism has a down side. You europeans are not taught the history of socialism, there is a link between socialism and the holocaust.

What system of government murdered what, 100 million europeans? Take that pill serf.

haole
05 September 2008 at 18:18

"""haole: You Americans have only benefitted from us Europeans. After all, if we hadn't turned up in North America, you'd still be us.""

You are assuming I am of European origin.

Anthony Z
05 September 2008 at 23:34

If you think that Tony Blair is the harbinger of murderous Stalinist pogroms, I really don't know what to say to you.

And "serf"? Stay classy.

haole
06 September 2008 at 04:21

""If you think that Tony Blair is the harbinger of murderous Stalinist pogroms, I really don't know what to say to you.""

Tony was a huge supporter of the Eu. If you think uniting europe will be a peaceful process read about the last attempts you euros made at uniting europe, napolean, hitler, stalin, charlemagne. You serfs could easily slip and kill 50 million again.

One of your last attempts to unit europe killed 400,000 plus Americans, WWII. You are reckless,

Anthony Z
06 September 2008 at 09:55

All those attempts were led by dictators. Take a look at Angela Merkel - spot the difference?

I really understand it's hard for US right-wingers to accept that social democracy is the dominant political ideology of the western world. I know you believe it can never work, and that fuels your joyful fantasies about thousands of Europeans being killed in a new war.

But the problem is, it does work. And people like it. And it hasn't crippled our economies.

So, bad luck.

Steelsil
06 September 2008 at 22:18

-Palin energizes base-

In the hills and hollows, up crick and down dale

Throwback revenants gnash teeth and send up a hail

The hicks from the sticks each one and each pair of

with a frenzied howl cry out for darlin’ Ms. Sarah

With a beating of drums and a blare of brass horns

The hillbillies and trailer trash are wailin’ for Palin!

haole
07 September 2008 at 19:29

""In the hills and hollows, up crick and down dale

Throwback revenants gnash teeth and send up a hail

The hicks from the sticks each one and each pair of

with a frenzied howl cry out for darlin’ Ms. Sarah

With a beating of drums and a blare of brass horns

The hillbillies and trailer trash are wailin’ for Palin!"""

hillbillies and trailer trash?

And 200,000 who showed up for obampean??

Nazis, commies and serfs. Tell us when the murder starts.

Ceebs
11 September 2008 at 20:13

Haole,

1. Sympathize with the Muslims? How about sympathy for innocents being killed while we haphazardly seek retribution for 9/11. As well as labeling an entire religion to be evil (basically, and even ostricising them in our own country where freedom of religion is paramount)

2. Try making a statement that relates to the present. Almost every quality of life determination has many European countries above the US, and it has nothing to do with Germany's or Russia's prior decision/political movements, but lump them all together if it makes you happier.

3. Georgia attacked its own people (granted they were separatists.) Would you have supported the US government invading Alaska had they seceded? Your comments lead me to believe this is true.

4. As opposed to us continually voting in individuals who perpetuate a system that pretty much directly benefits them while they hold down the middle class by pandering arbitrary issues like guns/religion/abortion/gay rights

5. Past mistakes that they no longer proliferate, yet who is the leader in current day imperialism? Just because we're not sending settlers over to the countries that we meddle with, doesn't mean our intrusion in their business is not imperialistic and therefore warranted.

In conclusion: Stop giving our country a bad name with your narrow minded and hateful views. STFU and learn something about the world through travel or actual research.

LibertyLover
12 September 2008 at 12:13

For me being "European" = socialism, means lack of liberty. Socialised anything is not free it is just paid for by someone else by an organization you cannot choose using methods that are not your choice. Therefore you loose your liberty under that kind of system. Therefore you become a serf.

President D
17 September 2008 at 23:02

"France epitomises, for them, all that is wrong with the world, and that would be because France, a Republic set up in the late 18th Century"

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Er no, Ms. Jolley, the current French Republic was established in 1958. They had four republics and two empires before that.

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