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Porn's to blame...

Tania Glyde

Published 30 June 2008

Every time a case like Neil Entwistle’s is reported, it gives fuel to those in favour of blanket and intrusive censorship of pornography, writes Tania Glyde

When Neil Entwistle, 29, was found guilty last week of killing his wife and baby daughter in the wealthy Massachusetts town of Hopkinton it was the first murder there in 28 years.

Reading about Hopkinton, you can almost smell the cookies baking, and feel the velvety murmur of SUVs.

Then, one day in early 2006, Entwistle shot 27 year old Rachel and baby Lilian Rose in their colonial-style home and fled to back to England, where he embarked on a bizarre journey around the UK before asking his in-laws, in writing, to arrange the funeral, which he did not attend.

As the trial unfolded, we discovered that in fact that things were not so perfect about Worksop-born Entwistle, and that, unbeknownst to anyone, there was no job and the lovely house and car were rented rather than owned, and he had a stack of debts.

As the prosecution dug deeper, they found that Entwistle’s business affairs, such as they were, consisted of internet scams, get-rich-quicks, and, uh oh - pornography. And what’s more, in the days and weeks leading up to the murder, he had been in email contact with various escorts, and had joined the swinging site Adult FriendFinder.

Stir into this volatile mix the fact that he had also been researching various methods of killing, and you can predict the hysterical conflation that will be cooking in the minds of those who wish to police the minds - and computers - of others.

Earlier this year, after a concerted campaign by Liz Longhurst, whose daughter Jane was murdered in 2003 by a man with a strangulation fetish and an obsession with imagery of necrophilia and murder, the Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill was amended to include several clauses about the possession of what is known as ‘extreme pornography’.

The arguments against this measure have been well-rehearsed in the media, and thankfully, we’ve come a long way from the days when an anti-pornography campaigner only had to make their case by standing up and shrieking "It’s Latin for writing about prostitutes!" But every time a case like Entwistle’s is reported, it gives fuel to those in favour of blanket and intrusive censorship.

In the UK, sex education is a disaster. Teen pregnancies and poor parenting are time bombs that are going off, slowly, surely, and inexorably. Meanwhile, however, the state has become a Peeping Tom, getting all worked up over dirty pictures while society disintegrates outside. Personally, I find a lot of mainstream pornography pretty tacky and boring; there are only so many shaved, basted and inflated
size-eights you can take (although many, as I know well, disagree).

But, while people, particularly men, have eyes, then they will continue to create and consume it. And it will not turn them into murderers.

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20 comments from readers

Hill
05 July 2008 at 15:12

The writer finds 'a lot of mainstream pornography pretty tacky and boring'? I can't think of a more innapropriate and disrespectful description of the rape and abuse women and children face in the name of making what we now accept as mainstream pornography. And it is not just the making of but also the subsequent veiwing of such material that causes great harm to women and children- victims of abuse often report how their attacker used porn as a guide or made the victim view/enact scenes. When people such as this writer cry 'freedom of speech' and cling to their 'right' to view or make porn, they are SILENCING THE VICTIMS of this industry and infringing on women and children's rights to be free from harm.

jrjoblin
05 July 2008 at 22:03

My God! Get off your high-horse for a minute, lady. NO ONE IS HARMED BY PORNOGRAPHY. If some crazy guy who likes to beat his wife forces her to do something he saw on a movie, it's just because he's crazy. Not because porn somehow took his sense away. Pornography by itself has never hurt anyone. Unless you count your ego, when you realize that most men would rather look at young, beatutiful women than you. The women who model and act in the porn industry are paid more than you or I make. Another problem with your viewpoint is this: for the normal observing male it is only fantasy. Why do women always seem to understand the benefit of fantasies when it comes to themselves but ignore male needs for different but equivalent excercise? Self-interest maybe? Have you ever thought about the lawn-boy? Stock-boy at the grocery store? Son or Daughter's teenage friend? How about an actor on TV? I assert that your soap-opera star is comparable to a man's porn-star in that they are both unattainable and might as well be imaginary. If you have ever had a fantasy about someone you regularly saw, and that person was outside your marriage, then you, Madam, are the one who should be ashamed. That is the true sin.

Charlie
06 July 2008 at 10:42

Its interesting that in the face of the continuing abuse of the young women who 'act' and 'model' in pornography - women with a background of poverty, childhood sexual abuse, substance misuse, mental illness, etc, - jrjoblin believes that 'no one is harmed' by pornography.

Fantasising over someone is one thing. Using coersion, whether its financial or mental/emotional manipulation, to get other people to act out your fantasies is a completely different matter. It is dehumanising, abusive and completely selfish - i.e.- priorising your juvanile 'right' to spend your time masturbating over images of women you'll never meet over women's right to safety, dignity and respectful treatment.

Also, pornography does harm the people who use it. It causes divorce, broken homes and consequently insecure children.

It baffles me that so many men think that satisfying their urge to masturbate over pictures, like hormonal schoolboys who can't get girlfriends, is so central to their adult sexuality. Haven't you got better things to do with your time/causes to fight for? Isn't there more to adult sexuality and human relationships for you?

Put a camera above your computer to see how undignified you look - glued to the screen, bashing away at yourself and gurning. Perhaps you'll see it all in a different light.

Gabriele
06 July 2008 at 11:02

Why are women still expected to provide any sort of services for the sexual gratification of men?

In my opinion until men stop expecting these sort of services women have a snowball chance in hell to be truly equal to men!

Alex Brew
06 July 2008 at 11:20

jrjoblin - if a whole multi-billion pound industry was devoted to women rubbing their (I'm not sure what words I'm allowed to use on the New Statesman without being censored - oh evil censoring New Statesman!!) Vs in the waxed faces of sweet boys - usually in their late teens sporting come hither looks and sometimes sexy boyish shock, I reckon you - JR - would be the first to complain. Or am I getting you all wrong darlin?

The difference between porn and other erotic fantasies is that porn is all about domination and power. Not about fantasies of unattainable beauties. It's just power fantasies. That's why it's dangerous. It gives men this idea that brilliant sex is when a woman lets him do whatever. She annihilates herself for him. Bad sex becomes a two-way exchange. It's "vanilla" and unmanly. It's an affront to his power. How could he reassert that power I wonder - well name-calling, making her feel she shouldn't be asking for anything (perhaps implying she's ugly, worthless and to blame as in JR's post to Hill). That might do it. Or failing that - and I know JR would never do this - but some men even hit! Shock. One in four women have to put up with that over their lifetimes. Sorry to get heavy on the New Statesman but I spent some time working on the National Domestic Violence Helpline and it's not very sexy.

Check out the song by Sarah Jones (not Foxy Brown) The Revolution. The lyrics are a take on the R&B grind culture. She sings "Your revolution will not happen between these thighs." Yeah it's a play on Gill Scott Heron's Your revolution will not be televised. A great anthem too. She rocks - and is not as this article would have all anti-porners - a fascist, old woman with a mean, angry and probably saggy face. New Statesman - please.... what is all this?

Coco
06 July 2008 at 16:51

Tania,

This is the way you characterise women who feel pornography encourages prejudice against women:

"thankfully, we’ve come a long way from the days when an anti-pornography campaigner only had to make their case by standing up and shrieking "It’s Latin for writing about prostitutes!"

This is bad writing on top of bad intent. Then you go on to comment:

"But every time a case like Entwistle’s is reported, it gives fuel to those in favour of blanket and intrusive censorship."

So you obviously have more sympathy with woman-abuse than with opinionated women who feel that pornography encourages a kind of intrusiveness into women's lives; a chipping away of women's self esteem--a treatment of women of public property.

This situation reminds me of the lap-dancing club liscencing (sp), where SOME women actually do not want to exit a bus at night straight into a crowd of drunken men who are likely to treat the woman who did NOT choose to strip the same way they treated the woman inside who DID. Would you want that lapdancing club by your busstop, Tania?

I don't think so. Who are you trying to impress with your 'stand up for pornography' stance? A new boyfriend?

Pathetic.

sam
06 July 2008 at 16:52

It's funny how many people insist that viewing porn does not change men's (or women's) attitudes and behaviour about sex. If viewing images repeatedly does not affect our attitudes and behaviour, why are billions invested in advertising and marketing images? BECAUSE ADVERTISERS AND MARKETERS KNOW THAT THE IMAGES WE VIEW ALTER OUR ATTITUDES AND BEHAVIOUR. Think how much more powerfully they must affect us when viewed in the heightened emotional state of orgasm. It's not harmless fun- not to the women involved in the sex industry, nor to the men who use it and internalise (perhaps unconsciously) a love of debasing women, nor to all women who experience the results in their relationships, or else internalise the damaging roles presribed in porn themselves.

kaliwolf
06 July 2008 at 20:55

Pornography is not fantasy, it happens in the real world, to real women (and children, and men). The vast majority of women in porn do not make huge amounts of money, they are paid once and then their image is sold and recycled endlessly with all the money going to the people behind the camera.

Porn is propaganda for women’s second-class status, it tells us that violence and degradation against women is a natural, desirable and inevitable part of male sexuality. The idea that it is all mere fantasy would hold some water, except for the fact that we live in a society with so much violence against women and children. This violence is not perpetrated by ‘mad’ men, who can be dismissed as nothing to do with mainstream society. Violence against women falls on a spectrum, the mild end of which is considered normal masculine behaviour, and porn plays a role in this normalisation.

tuppy
07 July 2008 at 12:51

I can't believe all this hostility to a very sensible article. Where have all these people been all their lives? Just reading fundamentalist feminist propaganda that all sex work is violence to women that you get in the pages of the Guardian, not in the real world. I have worked in the sex industry all my life and I find the participants to be fabulous Real feminist independent free thinking adventurers, dissidents with a capital D.

Dr Tuppy Owens

Charlie
07 July 2008 at 14:31

Tuppy, I have worked with people at the other end of the sex industry, including working with women who have been trafficked into prostitution and forced into prostitution by other means. I don't think their experiences of the sex industry quite tally up with your fluffy view.

I prioritise protection from abuse over unlimited freedom for sexual expression... Unlimited freedom will always result in the strong oppressing the weak. For example in the cases of rape and child abuse. I also discovered that you don't believe in the censorship of extreme porn. You clearly have no heart for people who are abused by the sex industry.

subho
07 July 2008 at 15:42

Pornography is safe until it expose our privacy. Privacy is safe until it protect our personality. Personality is safe until it is recommended by our society.

So pornography is safe until society recommends it.

Await till we recommend nudity in public.Then pornography will be useless and invalid.

R subhranshu

Charlie
07 July 2008 at 16:43

Also Tuppy, I was just about to post something you once said in my presence that was very foolish and dangerous, but decided against it because I didn't want you to get harassed by anyone. I have actually met you and know the circles you move in. You say:

Where have all these people been all their lives? Just reading fundamentalist feminist propaganda that all sex work is violence to women that you get in the pages of the Guardian, not in the real world.

I'd like to state quite plainly that it is you that lives in a fantasy world - I've seen it with my own eyes. In your sex maniacs ball, I had a friend who felt very intimidated and violated by some of the men there who were just 'expressing' their sexuality. But you, of course, in your fantasy world, thought everyone was just enjoying their freedom and having fun.

Please stop fighting laws that protect women.

Deborah
08 July 2008 at 12:18

The two men who confessed to the rape and murder of Katherine Horton in Thailand admitted they did so after watching pornography. Graham Coutts, who murdered teacher Jane Longhurst, was also found with significant amounts of violent pornography.

No one is claiming that everyone who reads pornography turns into a rapist or a murderer. However, are we really going to continue to ignore the significant percentage of rapists and sexual murderers who have been discovered to be obsessed with pornography?

Why are we more keen to protect men's 'right' to watch women being abused (in all the ways that Kaliwolf describes - from the physical to their imposed status as second-class citizens) than we are to protect women from actually suffering these abuses?

lesley
08 July 2008 at 16:34

Deborah.

And the Yorkshire Ripper declared that God had spoken to him and told him to murder all of those women. Therefore, to follow your argument, we should close down all the churches!

Alcohol fuels more violence against women and children than porn ever has or could. And women who work in the porn business do so because they are usually very attractive, have good figures and want to make some easy money. So please stop confusing women who are trafficked into prostitution with others who chose to work in a legitimate business as models or actresses. It's only sex, you know.

Charlie
08 July 2008 at 20:02

Mmmm Lesley, I think your view is a bit ill informed. There are lots of women who are very attractive, with good figures who don't end up in the porn industry. Porn 'actresses' and 'models' tend to be young women. They enter an industry and have pictures taken of them in states of undress that are usually reserved for lovers, people who actually care for us. Those images will circulate for the rest of their lives and they won't be able to take them back. The money might seem easy, but it has massive consequences in terms of reputation and future career prospects for these young women.

Also, google Shelley Lubben if you think its such easy dosh!

tranzmitta
09 July 2008 at 18:55

It's strange how one article on this website can provoke such vitriol, while another - on a similar topic and with a similar defensive note for the pornography industry - isn't commented upon whatsoever.

What makes this discrepancy even more significant in the context of these comments is the empirical evidence served up by the article titled "Obscenity trial?" by Lawrence G. Walters [http://www.newstatesman.com/law-and-reform/2008/07/obscenity...].

Why?

Because the case presented in the article describes a community so outraged by pornography to the extent that it is willing to prosecute a distributor of pornographic material [whether it is extreme or not, I leave to the judgement of this commenting community] with the intent to have him put behind bars, if necessary. However, when pressed, the defence found in its research that the community not only indulged in the very type of sexual acts that were being depicted, community members were also shown to be actively searching for content of this nature - and even more extreme variants - on the WWW.

If there is one issue distinct with all of the contributions to the forum above it is the fact that we still have no concrete statistics to properly corroborate any of the claims being made.

I myself wrote an article on the effects of so-called porn addiction and, while my research produced some interesting facts, no substantial quantitative data was available anywhere - unlike with the debate on violent comupter games, for example.

As informed as most of the comments aim to be - and I'm sure there are aspects of truth to both sides of the debate - they lack any real backing.

The trouble lies with the very nature of the content of the debate, for as long as porn is not the subject of open discussion, it will always remain subject to prejudice and ill-informed arguments.

lesley
09 July 2008 at 19:45

Oh really Charlie, of course there are women who do not 'end up' in the porn business. Whatever the infererence is there. This is a choice, after all. Of course images are circulated, often for years. That is what anyone expects when they sign a model release form. Of course they are mainly young (18 is the minimum age) at which age you can also vote, get married without your parents consent, drive a car - etc. In other words you are an adult. True some may have not such good experiences, some may regret it later. But hey, man, that's life! I know secreteries who have had far worse experiences than most of the women (and men) that I have known in the business.

Charlie
10 July 2008 at 00:41

Lesley there are many 'choices' we make in life, but porn has the backing of a number of nasty scumbags who manipulate naive and damged girls with myths of glamour to groom them into making poor decisions -Young women who lack caring people around them to warn them of such nasty greedy scumbags. These women want attention, 'love' and yes money, but they are sold a lie. And they are sold the lie to make the scumbags rich and the degraded compulsive masturbaters addicted.

The fact that some secretaries are treated badly doesn't take away the manipulation and abuse that greedy callous individuals perpetuate in the porn industry.

18 years old might seem like a lawful adult to some, but I know from personal experience that childhood abuse arrests emotional development. An 18 year old with good solid parenting is capable of making mature decisions that a neglected/abused person often cannot make until their 30s - at least.

Yes the law has to draw a line at an age and call someone an adult, but it is arbitrary. Porn preys on youngsters who are not emotionally mature enough to make these decisions.

And to be honest, your flippant 'but hey' man that's life' stance says it all.

You couldn't give a toss about abuse.

But hey - people get tortured

But hey - people get degraded

But hey - that's life..

Sorry, but some of us actually care about people, even if we don't know them personally. We care about them because they are human beings and not toys to be used and abused to make greedy scumbags money and deluded men ejaculate .

kaliwolf
10 July 2008 at 18:21

Already privileged women get to dabble in the shallow end of the sex industry, and their main concern is to advance policies/agendas that benefit them, they care more about making money and a reputation (ie the pornographers that call themselves 'sexsperts' and recomment unlimited participation in the sex industry) for themselves than they do about the women trapped at the deep end. Most women in porn don't last 6 months, they burn out due to the psycological and physical abuse they are subjected to. The women at the top couldn't exist without the women below them to climb over.

Phyllis
14 July 2008 at 13:48

pornography is hugely harmful to all women including young girls (those not yet at the age of consent). there seem to be a lot of demand for younger, innocent looking girls who are "virgins". Porn sexualise children for example with scenes of females wearing school uniforms, lollipops in their mouths and it is really disturbing and normalises abuse of children.

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