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After Bobby Kennedy

John Pilger

Published 29 May 2008

Bobby Kennedy's campaign is the model for Barack Obama's current bid to be the Democratic nominee for the White House. Both offer a false hope that they can bring peace and racial harmony to all Americans, writes John Pilger

In this season of 1968 nostalgia, one anniversary illuminates today. It is the rise and fall of Robert Kennedy, who would have been elected president of the United States had he not been assassinated in June 1968. Having travelled with Kennedy up to the moment of his shooting at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles on 5 June, I heard The Speech many times. He would "return government to the people" and bestow "dignity and justice" on the oppressed. "As Bernard Shaw once said," he would say, "'Most men look at things as they are and wonder why. I dream of things that never were and ask: Why not?'" That was the signal to run back to the bus. It was fun until a hail of bullets passed over our shoulders.

Kennedy's campaign is a model for Barack Obama. Like Obama, he was a senator with no achievements to his name. Like Obama, he raised the expectations of young people and minorities. Like Obama, he promised to end an unpopular war, not because he opposed the war's conquest of other people's land and resources, but because it was "unwinnable".

Should Obama beat John McCain to the White House in November, it will be liberalism's last fling. In the United States and Britain, liberalism as a war-making, divisive ideology is once again being used to destroy liberalism as a reality. A great many people understand this, as the hatred of Blair and new Labour attest, but many are disoriented and eager for "leadership" and basic social democracy. In the US, where unrelenting propaganda about American democratic uniqueness disguises a corporate system based on extremes of wealth and privilege, liberalism as expressed through the Democratic Party has played a crucial, compliant role.

In 1968, Robert Kennedy sought to rescue the party and his own ambitions from the threat of real change that came from an alliance of the civil rights campaign and the anti-war movement then commanding the streets of the main cities, and which Martin Luther King had drawn together until he was assassinated in April that year. Kennedy had supported the war in Vietnam and continued to support it in private, but this was skilfully suppressed as he competed against the maverick Eugene McCarthy, whose surprise win in the New Hampshire primary on an anti-war ticket had forced President Lyndon Johnson to abandon the idea of another term. Using the memory of his martyred brother, Kennedy assiduously exploited the electoral power of delusion among people hungry for politics that represented them, not the rich.

"These people love you," I said to him as we left Calexico, California, where the immigrant population lived in abject poverty and people came like a great wave and swept him out of his car, his hands fastened to their lips.

"Yes, yes, sure they love me," he replied. "I love them!" I asked him how exactly he would lift them out of poverty: just what was his political philosophy? "Philosophy? Well, it's based on a faith in this country and I believe that many Americans have lost this faith and I want to give it back to them, because we are the last and the best hope of the world, as Thomas Jefferson said."

"That's what you say in your speech. Surely the question is: How?"

"How . . . by charting a new direction for America."

The vacuities are familiar. Obama is his echo. Like Kennedy, Obama may well "chart a new direction for America" in specious, media-honed language, but in reality he will secure, like every president, the best damned democracy money can buy.

Embarrassing truth

As their contest for the White House draws closer, watch how, regardless of the inevitable personal smears, Obama and McCain draw nearer to each other. They already concur on America's divine right to control all before it. "We lead the world in battling immediate evils and promoting the ultimate good," said Obama. "We must lead by building a 21st-century military . . . to advance the security of all people [emphasis added]." McCain agrees. Obama says in pursuing "terrorists" he would attack Pakistan. McCain wouldn't quarrel.

Both candidates have paid ritual obeisance to the regime in Tel Aviv, unquestioning support for which defines all presidential ambition. In opposing a UN Security Council resolution implying criticism of Israel's starvation of the people of Gaza, Obama was ahead of both McCain and Hillary Clinton. In January, pressured by the Israel lobby, he massaged a statement that "nobody has suffered more than the Palestinian people" to now read: "Nobody has suffered more than the Palestinian people from the failure of the Palestinian leadership to recognise Israel [emphasis added]." Such is his concern for the victims of the longest, illegal military occupation of modern times. Like all the candidates, Obama has furthered Israeli/Bush fictions about Iran, whose regime, he says absurdly, "is a threat to all of us".

On the war in Iraq, Obama the dove and McCain the hawk are almost united. McCain now says he wants US troops to leave in five years (instead of "100 years", his earlier option). Obama has now "reserved the right" to change his pledge to get troops out next year. "I will listen to our commanders on the ground," he now says, echoing Bush. His adviser on Iraq, Colin Kahl, says the US should maintain up to 80,000 troops in Iraq until 2010. Like McCain, Obama has voted repeatedly in the Senate to support Bush's demands for funding of the occupation of Iraq; and he has called for more troops to be sent to Afghanistan. His senior advisers embrace McCain's proposal for an aggressive "league of democracies", led by the United States, to circumvent the United Nations.

Amusingly, both have denounced their "preachers" for speaking out. Whereas McCain's man of God praised Hitler, in the fashion of lunatic white holy-rollers, Obama's man, Jeremiah Wright, spoke an embarrassing truth. He said that the attacks of 11 September 2001 had taken place as a consequence of the violence of US power across the world. The media demanded that Obama disown Wright and swear an oath of loyalty to the Bush lie that "terrorists attacked America because they hate our freedoms". So he did. The conflict in the Middle East, said Obama, was rooted not "primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel", but in "the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam". Journalists applauded. Islamophobia is a liberal speciality.

The American media love both Obama and McCain. Reminiscent of mating calls by Guardian writers to Blair more than a decade ago, Jann Wenner, founder of the liberal Rolling Stone, wrote: "There is a sense of dignity, even majesty, about him, and underneath that ease lies a resolute discipline . . . Like Abraham Lincoln, Barack Obama challenges America to rise up, to do what so many of us long to do: to summon 'the better angels of our nature'." At the liberal New Republic, Charles Lane confessed: "I know it shouldn't be happening, but it is. I'm falling for John McCain." His colleague Michael Lewis had gone further. His feelings for McCain, he wrote, were like "the war that must occur inside a 14-year-old boy who discovers he is more sexually attracted to boys than to girls".

The objects of these uncontrollable passions are as one in their support for America's true deity, its corporate oligarchs. Despite claiming that his campaign wealth comes from small individual donors, Obama is backed by the biggest Wall Street firms: Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, J P Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse, as well as the huge hedge fund Citadel Investment Group. "Seven of the Obama campaign's top 14 donors," wrote the investigator Pam Martens, "consisted of officers and employees of the same Wall Street firms charged time and again with looting the public and newly implicated in originating and/or bundling fraudulently made mortgages." A report by United for a Fair Economy, a non-profit group, estimates the total loss to poor Americans of colour who took out sub-prime loans as being between $164bn and $213bn: the greatest loss of wealth ever recorded for people of colour in the United States. "Washington lobbyists haven't funded my campaign," said Obama in January, "they won't run my White House and they will not drown out the voices of working Americans when I am president." According to files held by the Centre for Responsive Politics, the top five contributors to the Obama campaign are registered corporate lobbyists.

What is Obama's attraction to big business? Precisely the same as Robert Kennedy's. By offering a "new", young and apparently progressive face of the Democratic Party - with the bonus of being a member of the black elite - he can blunt and divert real opposition. That was Colin Powell's role as Bush's secretary of state. An Obama victory will bring intense pressure on the US anti-war and social justice movements to accept a Democratic administration for all its faults. If that happens, domestic resistance to rapacious America will fall silent.

Piracies and dangers

America's war on Iran has already begun. In December, Bush secretly authorised support for two guerrilla armies inside Iran, one of which, the military arm of Mujahedin-e Khalq, is described by the state department as terrorist. The US is also engaged in attacks or subversion against Somalia, Lebanon, Syria, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Bolivia and Venezuela. A new military command, Africom, is being set up to fight proxy wars for control of Africa's oil and other riches. With US missiles soon to be stationed provocatively on Russia's borders, the Cold War is back. None of these piracies and dangers has raised a whisper in the presidential campaign, not least from its great liberal hope.

Moreover, none of the candidates represents so-called mainstream America. In poll after poll, voters make clear that they want the normal decencies of jobs, proper housing and health care. They want their troops out of Iraq and the Israelis to live in peace with their Palestinian neighbours. This is a remarkable testimony, given the daily brainwashing of ordinary Americans in almost everything they watch and read.

On this side of the Atlantic, a deeply cynical electorate watches British liberalism's equivalent last fling. Most of the "philosophy" of new Labour was borrowed wholesale from the US. Bill Clinton and Tony Blair were interchangeable. Both were hostile to traditionalists in their parties who might question the corporate-speak of their class-based economic policies and their relish for colonial conquests. Now the British find themselves spectators to the rise of new Tory, distinguishable from Blair’s new Labour only in the personality of its leader, a former corporate public relations man who presents himself as Tonier than thou. We all deserve better.

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73 comments from readers

Jonty Stang
29 May 2008 at 15:29

You really are a miserable sod, aren't you John?

Clouseau
29 May 2008 at 16:03

You are tone deaf to American life in general and to American politics in particular. In case no one has told you, old school, party line Marxism had its day. It's time to peel the sleep off your eyes, mate.

BitterGrace
29 May 2008 at 16:22

Tone deaf to American life and American politics? Funny, I'm an American--born, raised and living in the Bible Belt--and I'd say Pilger's absolutely right on every point here.

philiph35
29 May 2008 at 17:23

"Moreover, none of the candidates represents so-called mainstream America. In poll after poll, voters make clear that they want the normal decencies of jobs, proper housing and health care. They want their troops out of Iraq and the Israelis to live in peace with their Palestinian neighbours." Jobs, housing, healthcare, Iraq. I can see how these are the major concerns of large numbers of Americans. But I suspect that Israel/Palestine peace is rather lower down on their list of things they care about. Is it not a British left-wing thing to regard as it as a, if not the major issue. For me, reform/total remodelling healthcare is the key to so much the most important issue.

ericandsuzanne
29 May 2008 at 18:19

Mr. Pilger here makes a number of untrue and uninformed claims.

To start, "Like Obama, he was a senator with no achievements to his name. Like Obama, he raised the expectations of young people and minorities. Like Obama, he promised to end an unpopular war, not because he opposed the war's conquest of other people's land and resources, but because it was 'unwinnable'." Of these statements, only that concerning the raised expectations is true. It goes on and on until the embarrassing hogwash of "Obama and McCain draw nearer to each other".

If he is unable to see even the stark, glaring distinctions between McCain's and Obama's respective policy proposals, Mr. Pilger has a problem. And in a sense, it mirrors a problem that many Americans once had, in thinking that it made no difference in 2000 whether Bush or Gore was elected, that any distinctions were minimal. As one of those who now admits to having been proven wrong in a similar assessment by history and events, I would urge Mr. Pilger to similarly permit reality to have its way with his crude simplifications.

It matters deeply whether it is Obama or McCain who is elected. The consequences of one as opposed to the other are worlds apart.

Cybertiger
29 May 2008 at 20:10

@philiph35

"For me, reform/total remodelling healthcare is the key to so much the most important issue."

Americans are fearful people; they understand the important issues. They are afeared of abolishment - of abolition of the death penalty. The people are afraid that gasoline prices will take a hike to UK levels. The American people are frightened these two catastrophes, and only these. The people will rise up in fright if either of these fearsome events should ever come to pass. Be afraid, be very afraid of fearful Americans.

Carl Jones
29 May 2008 at 20:43

Hi John, I had the first comment to your article (no big deal) which I thought very good. but the Newstatesman censored my comment for being "anti-semitic". A claim which I deny completely.

Pilger mentions Obama`s role in no change, Pliger mention`s Obama`s big corporate funding which Obama has lied in order to hide. Obama is about stopping change, just like Cameron will stop Brown from achieving the great things that puppet Blair would not.

According to the NS and others, it is now a NWO crime to mention the "big banks, lobbyists and Israel" in the same breath, as it leads to NWO censorship as I have found to my cost....or was it that I mentioned the likelihood that Obama wouldn`t "survive" until November?LOL

Maybe the reason for my censorship, is that I mentioned the coming Bilderberg Group meeting which is likely to meet in Chantilly Verginia between the 8-11th of June. The Bilderberg Group picked John Kerry`s VP running mate John Edwards....no doubt Bilderberg will pick Edwards for Obama.

I must take issue with the last comment. Bush or Gore? On declared policy there was little difference, but on Iraq, Gore might have done a "Kennedy/Operation Northwoods (google). Gore might have ACTUALLY investigated 9/11.....where Bush did all he could to suppress his "war on terror ignition event". To the ordinary American, it was a narrow call, but to the NWO (Pliger lists them) they needed to know exactly what reaction the president would give. So Florida was fixed and Kerry faced nationwide hacking into the Diabold voting machines (Boris was machine counted and won against Ken`s largest ever turnout).LOL

Just as Pilger points out that Obama is about stopping change, while he promises change. The British MSM has two respected left leaning publications. The Guradian and Newstatesman. both are controlled by the NWO and limit the leftwing agenda....you feed on NWO pigswil.lol

Like Obama, the MSM has their own trojans...Pilger, Fish and Moore. I don`t know about Fisk, I very much doubt Pilger, but Moore is a righwing agenda monkey. The NWO must use these Journalists who appear to be on the limit....every inch must be occupied, like Afghanistan...failure to control both the rightwing and leftwing MSM agenda could prove fatal.

I was reading the FT the other day. They had a lead article about the big banks alledgedly argueing about the Fed`s credit line....Goldman Sacks (Sachs) is concerned about greater regulation being attached to the credit line. On the other hand we have (nearly bust) Lehman Bro., desperate to keep the Fed money flowing and then we have the middle ground occupied by Morgan Stanley....they say "hang on, lets see whay the Fed offers in terms of regulation.....

.....this very public MSM debate is criminal. These banks are BUST! After a decade of record profits, they expect the US/UK public to NATIONALISE THEIR DEBTS....of course, this construct is shocking, that elite banksters can`t see the CRIMINALITY of their ways.....these are the NWO monkeys backing Obama.LOL

The next big lie, is this notion that there is some sort of gap, gulf, or legal devide between the big banks , the Fed and the Bank of England....well, THEY`ED love you to be fooled. The fact is,the Fed is owned and controlled by the Big Banks, they started the Fed, so when the Fed gives them MONEY...the American publics money, or should I say, the American publics Debt, you can see the scam, the crime which is being carried out. The same can be said for the BofE. According to OFFICAL folklore, the BofE was NATIONALISED in 1946....just after the government had used the "family silver" to pay for World War Two (another NWO construct), So if the Bof E was private, prior to 1946, how could a bust country nationalise a private bank? Was this done to facilitate a smaller version of todays GLOBALISATION SCAM....have British workers been paying hard earned money into the pockets of the elite?

The last NS article under "Economy 2008" was dated 1st of May......quite shocking, in light of what is going on, but then again "Everything you wanted to know about the bank crisis" by Iain MacWhirter, was a highly successful broadside against the elite and a huge mistake by the NS....tut, tut.LOL

I`m REALLY sorry that you WEREN`T allowed to read my original comment, but certain aspects of our global society get protection far beyond written laws....these are NWO laws....you are forbidden from asking questions, its that simple and YOU should be VERY WORRIED.

writeon
29 May 2008 at 20:51

I think people generally have a tendancy to exaggerate the differences between presidential candidates and the ability of presidents to change America, or the wider world.

This may have something to do with the quasi-religious nature of the campaign process, increasingly they resemble 'crusades', and the evolution of the office of the presidency into something that look like a form of chosen, temporary monarchy, or even a santified emperor. After all America is a global empire. The richest, largest and most powerful there has ever been. A collosus strandling the world, but with feet of clay, but that'a another story!

There are two types of candidate that seem to recur over and over again; the Saint or the Soldier. Then there's the Trickster who pops up now and again, but mostly it's a choice between the Saint and the Soldier.

Looking back at American history the number of candidates who have vowed that they were 'peace' candidates and then turned into warriors at war has been so large that one can almost observe a cultural pattern at work here, again a really big and complex subject to get into!

Time and time again candidates have promissed the electorate the earth, but delivered very little in the way of real change. Hope is cheap, change is expensive.

Those who honestly and sincerly believe that Obaman will 'change' America, and reverse the course the empire is on, are, unfortunately, in for an unpleasant surprise or rude awakening. I don't say this with any pleasure, and I don't want to sound cynical, but history shows over and over again that presidents don't deliver on their promisses, or dreams and hopes of those who vote for them. The chance of Obama being able to break the mold are very, very, small.

The American system appears on the surface to be highly democratic, but it isn't, not really, and increasingly people realize this, which is why so many Americans just don't bother to vote at all, the more things change the more they remain the same.

What appears to happen is that the fabulously wealthy and privileged elite who own and therefore control the United States, 'choose' and pay for the candidates of their choice, and 'vet' them. Then the electorate can democratically vote for the candidates that have been chosen for them. How democratic this system really is is questionable.

But being such a large country, so rich and so powerful, doesn't mean that the ruling elite always agree on everything. There are factions, sometimes the consensus breaks down due to circunstances beyond their control. Iraq is a clear example, exemplified by Bush and his followers. Bush has been such an unmitigated disaster for the United States that finding a suitable replacement was a priority. The return of the Saint. A candidate that was a far from Bush as humanly possible, because the damage Bush has done to 'brand America' is incalculable. However, the faction in the elite that wants to wipe out the memory or Bush from history, is opposed by another faction who want more Bush, only with more brain and less incompetence. Mcain fits the bill here. The return of the Soldier.

Presidents don't really represent the people who vote for them, they actually represent the people in the elite who identify them, choose them and pay for their campaigns. Crudely, those who pay the piper...

InChicago
29 May 2008 at 21:08

This will be an anticlimactic year for us democrats. While we purport to be a party that casts a blind eye to race and gender, as the great leaders emerge, we have fallen into a very divisive party and will loose the GE. My confidence in the party is shaken and soured.

I believe Senator Obama will eventually get our party’s nod. He has a good message with his call for change and hope. However, I am a Chicago native and old fashioned democrat (my Mom went to school with the current Mayor Dailey). The politics in Illinois is as old and dirty as the Mississippi river. Senator Obama is not a voice of change, he is entrenched in Illinois and Washington politics, a bad mix and as much as I want an Illinoisan in the White House, Senator Obama came up the wrong way. While he acts like a man who is innocent, his senate campaign was one of the dirtiest in recent history. I feel like a traitor saying this, but I call it like I see it.

While McCain has some trouble with conservatives, Senator Obama will have trouble because of race (yes, it is sad but true that some people will still not vote for a man due to the color of his skin, even democrats), he will have trouble with the disenfranchisement of Michigan and Florida (even if it was agreed to in advance, he now has to quash these states to keep his lead over Hillary, leaving these states with a bad taste for the general election) and he will have to somehow win the fanatic Hillary Clinton supporters, who feel that she has been robbed of her victory. This will be bad for the Senator, battling against McCain, who is a centrists with strong ties to Joe Lieberman and even Feingold. He will steal democratic support and win the general election.

I am a patriot so I am still going to vote, but I do want it to count for change. This is the year to make a true systematic change. If the rumors that the conservatives may vote outside of the republican party, we too should vote outside as well. A truly bipartisan moment toward the Libertarians or the Constitutionalist or the Green Party will alter our political landscape. Some say it cannot be done, but the building blocks are in place during this election. We need to bring an end to our two party system and look for hope aside from the political cronies. There is no reason a Green Party support cannot be a Fiscal Conservative and a Gay Rights Advocate support Big Business. The two party system is broken pandering to too many interest groups and this year we can fix it. Don’t vote Republican or Democratic. Vote for the best candidate, regardless of party, because this election is already decided.

writeon
29 May 2008 at 21:16

Something else, a thought just struck me as I looked at the front cover of the New Statesman with Obama's picture superimposed on an image of Bobby Kennedy.

Surely this much is obvious and uncontroversial? it's clear that Obama is inspired by and following a strategy and reviving the rhetoric, style and methods employed by three important American political/religious/cultural icons; John Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King.

All three were perceived by important, powerful and very dangerous groups as being a 'threat' to their interests. All three were assassinated. Curious how individuals perceived as 'threatening' come to violent ends in the United States. That Obama's Holy Trinity had such promise, were so articulate, yet they all died violent deaths, is disturbing and rather macrbre, especially after Hilary Clinton's comments about the, hopefully remote, possibility of Obama's own violent death at the hands of an assassin.

Carl Jones
29 May 2008 at 21:22

writeon, I do make a veiled remark about Obama`s assassination, but I`m now TERRIFIED of being censored.LOL

DarylS
29 May 2008 at 23:29

I agree that every word of this is very true. But America isn't just going to vote for a Noam Chomsky like character. Change will take time, and while I feel very cynical about America is capable of the sort of change that I am sure every New Statesman Reader would like to see, any move towards it should be celebrated. There are many things about Obama that are hypocritical, and at times deceitful, but the sad fact of the matter is that, if he wasn't, then he wouldn't be where he is now. And while theoretically and ideology, he and McCain may be similar (as Mr. Pilger states), but in practice an Obama presidency is a much much less terrifying prospect.

JayMendez
30 May 2008 at 00:06

Daryl, I have to agree with you, America deserves the candidates there getting. The enmity of Americans is depressing, they have no concept of citizenship, thats why we got bottom-dwellers everywhere.

John is absolutely right, there is no difference between the Republicans (hush hush hardened marxist-stalinists...) and Democrats (...paradigmatic politicians).

Keep at it John, you "miserable sod" spreading "party line Marxism", and all!

pau lcraig roberts
30 May 2008 at 01:38

John Pilger is smarter and better informed than his readers.

Paul Craig Roberts

Gideon Polya
30 May 2008 at 08:16

Excellent article as usual by John Pilger. Decent anti-racist, humanitarians in America and around the world recognize Obama as the last chance for a long time and desperately hope that he is the next president - however they have no illusions about the American political Establishment realities.

America is a Zionist-beholden Murdochracy and Obama is obliged to toe the line as in the example cited by John Pilger of his blaming the democratically elected Palestinian representatives for the suffering of Occupied Palestinians under the now over 40-year Occupation by racist Zionist-run Apartheid Israel.

Before I suffer the same fate as Carl Jones I hasten to add that the Nazis wiped my family from the face of Europe and therefore I have some RIGHT to assert that there is no way that I can support the occupation, invasion, disempowerment , dispossession and ethnic cleansing of ANY PEOPLE whether MY forebears the Highland Scots ("cleared" in the 18th and 19th centuries) AND Austro-Hungarian Jews ( "cleared in the mid-20th century) or the Palestinians ("cleared" over the last 60 years; there are now 7 million Palestinian refugees; post-invasion excess deaths total 0.3 million; 5.5 million Palestinans are forbidden to return to the Holy Land; 4 million live as prisoners in Apartheid Israel-run Bantustan-Concentration Camps; and 1.5 million live as second class Arab Israeli citizens subject to race-based Apartheid laws in relation to compulsory race-based ID, property ownership restriction, family reunion prevention, and non-permissible marriage) (see "We are all Palestinian. Apartheid Israel’s Gaza Concentration Camp & Palestinian Genocide": http://mwcnews.net/content/view/19915/42/ ).

The fundamental messages from the World War 2 Holocaust (6 million Jews killed, 1 in 6 dying from deprivation) and the rarely acknowledged World War 2 Holocaust in general (30 million Slav, Jewish and Roma dead) are "zero tolerance for racism" and "never again to anyone" - messages flouted daily by the racist Zionists for over 60 years, by their anti-Arab anti-Semitic Anglo-American backers and NECESSARILY by Barack Obama in relation to US- or US surrogate-occupied Occupied Haitians, Somalis, Palestinians, Iraqis, and Afghans if he wants to be elected as president.

Indeed "Bomber" Obama (i.e. Bahmer Obama) has expressed the fervent desire to "bahm" Pakistan (see "Obama for bombing. A Bomber Obama threatens Pakistan: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/15881/42/ ) .

Indeed all that I have been able to discover Obama saying about the British atrocities against his OWN people in Kenya in the 1950s (0.3 million in concentration camps, 1 million imprisoned in "enclosed villages", 0.1 million violently killed; 1952-1962 excess mortality 1.1 million) (see “Body Count. Global avoidable mortality since 1950” , G.M. Polya, Melbourne, 2007: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/1375/247/ and http://globalbodycount.blogspot.com/ ) is that his British employers referred to his grandfather as "boy".

DarylS
30 May 2008 at 09:25

The point is though, that while everything that Mr Pilger says is the cold hard truth, and yes it is true that he knows more about this than his reader.

However, in reality, there is NO prospect of any one other than one of the 3 candidates becoming president.

Although the New Statesman has no influence in US Politics, it is beyond belief that it could go so far in trying to bring down Obama. He may be a right-extremist in European terms but compared to the alternatives he is BY FAR the best hope for Europe and beyond.

The New Statesman has dedicated so much space recently to criticising Obama (mainly from [edited] Andrew Stephen), which would be fine if even a single article laid into the Clintons record, or the Armageddon possibilities of a McCain presidency.

Seriously, this magazine reads like a Fox News script when it comes to this subject.

Admin
30 May 2008 at 10:40

Let's be very clear about the policy I have towards comments and 'censorship'. We do not tolerate racism or any other form of hate-fuelled bigotry on this website. We prefer people are courteous but we do not automatically delete if they are not - in fact I'm increasingly wondering whether we should be tougher in this regard. Anyway, a commentor call johannine has seen fit to try to republish a comment we took down by Carl Jones. We take our responsibilities both toward freedom of speech and towards preventing racism very seriously - it's a difficult line to walk sometimes but I'm convinced we get the balance about right. The decision about what is allowed to remain on this website rests finally with me. To try to overrule my decisions is entirely out of order. So we're all clear, let me reiterate what I told Carl in an email yesterday which was this: "The reason we do unpublish your comments from time-to-time is because they sometimes stray into what is clearly, in my judgement, anti-semitism. The issue is that when you discuss 'Jewish conspiracies' it has definite echoes of the rhetoric of Hitler's Germany. People will wonder why do you single out the Jewish people in particular? Like me they probably conclude there is an underlying anti-semitism in your "elite Jew" theories. Now I am perfectly happy to publish rational critiques of Israel or any other state which has a questionable human rights and foreign policy record. But the unproven accusations you make against an entire race are unacceptable. You present 'evidence' that impresses only you and sometimes you cross the line and it is my job to ensure that we do not promote racial hatred. If we are derided as being part of New World Order censorship then so be it. Right thinking people will see such an allegation for the nonsense it is."

Ben Davies

Editor, newstatesman.com

samuel
30 May 2008 at 13:21

You know, Ben Davies, if you dont want people like Carl here being bigoted and anti-semitic, maybe you should lead from the front? That is, maybe you shouldn't employ such a bigoted, anti-American old loser like Pilger here, hmm? What's the matter, you don't pay enough to get someone decent?

Admin
30 May 2008 at 13:32

It's probably a nuance too far for you, Samuel, but John Pilger writes for the magazine and answers to its editor rather than me - I edit the website. Why don't you try disagreeing rather than sneering?

samuel
30 May 2008 at 13:57

Nicely done. I politely answer your question, and you delete my post. Very slick.

promethean
30 May 2008 at 15:02

Powerful counter-argument to Pilger re: Obama and Bobby's influences(s) at http://www.theliberal.co.uk/Obama_and_the_Idea_of_America.ht...

timmy
30 May 2008 at 16:18

"Moore is a righwing agenda monkey"

How dyou know about this, nuttycarl?

ManAndDevil
30 May 2008 at 16:30

Davies, excellent post, its great you described why exactly you took down a comment, and the fact you let the guy comment at all is also a great thing. But it is the internet, and the reason its such a great thing is anyone can express their views, no conditions. To paraphrase Mills, we let even those with false opinions express, them, because they can only refine the truth. In the publishing you don't have this, even in the press you can't have a forum like the internet. I just hope that comment about you "increasingly wondering whether we should be tougher" in what comments you allow or not, was just a statement of frustration. I wouldn't like to have your job, to decide who gets to say what, and I know its probably a tough one, but please, take some of what I have to say to heart.

Carl Jones
30 May 2008 at 18:21

Darling Timmy; I`ve read his books, seen his films and used to take his news letter. After some time and deeeeep thought, I sent a Mr Moore my thoughts, which were many. But my main question was about how precisely piched all his work was, just enough to get dems and anyone anti Bush to scream "yes , yes, yes". But Moore would never cross the line which could persuade anyone on the right to defect.

Moore must have people throwing information at him. I reckon he`s only used a fraction of the filth available. This is why I call Moore a rightwing agenda monkey.LOL

Moore and his people failed to reply and THEY stopped sending me their news letter.LOL

deang
31 May 2008 at 00:19

We need more journalists like Pilger. Are there any young people anymore who do real journalism along the lines of Pilger and Fisk? Or have they all gone into "public relations" instead?

Gideon Polya
31 May 2008 at 02:12

I'm going to have a "bob each way" as we say Downunder and state that have a lot of sympathy for all three - Obama, Carl Jones and Administrator Ben Davies - in relation to Zionism.

The Zionist Lobby is so powerful in the US that Obama is obliged to stick to the Zionist line or else he is history - just as he was obliged to disown the "controversial" views on White American racism, imperialism and mass murder from his friend the Reverend Wright.

In reality the Wright views turn out to be precisely RIGHT (indeed, while there is no evidence as far as I know for AIDS being "manufactured" by the US to kill off the Third World it is indubitably TRUE that the horrendous AIDS epidemic - 40 million currently infected, 20 million dead - was and is preventable and First World pharmaceutical patent laws and religious right condom-abhorrence permit its horrible continuance) (see "Body Count": http://mwcnews.net/content/view/1375/247/ ).

In the light of 2 millennia of anti-Jewish anti-Semitism culminating in the World War 2 Holocaust (6 million victims, 1 in 6 dying from deprivation) Ben's sensitivity to reference to "Jews" and "Jewish elites" is quite reasonable.

However Carl's concerns about excessive Zionist influence in the Western Murdochracies are very real and reasonable too . Thus Hungarian Jewish American billionaire, philanthropist, and Holocaust survivor George Soros has objected cogently to the influence of the Zionist Lobby over US foreign policy (see: "On Israel, America and Aipac ": http://www.nybooks.com/articles/20030) . However Carl's views could have been more diplomatically and more sensitively expressed in relation to "Zionists" rather than "Jews" - after all, unlike the racist Zionists, a very large body of decent, anti-racist, humanitarian Jews around the world DO adhere rigorously to the key Holocaust messages of "zero tolerance for racism" and "never again to anyone" (e.g. the UK Independent Jewish Voices (IJV), the Australian Independent Australian Jewish Voices (IAJV), the US Not in My Name, the Jewish Israeli Gush Shalom and B'Tselem and outstanding anti-racist, humanitarian Jewish intellectuals such as Professors Chomsky, Finkelstein, Pappe, Singer, Reinhart, and Ollman and other Jewish writers such a Britain's Nobel Prize-winning Harold Pinter and Australia's Antony Lowenstein ("My Israel Question").

However, that said there is a linguistic problem here. Thus in my post above I can refer to "British" atrocities in Obama-linked Kenya (1.1 million 1950s excess deaths) and in a recent BBC broadcast with 1998 Nobel Laureate Professor Amartya Sen and other scholars we could refer to "British" responsibility for the World War 2 man-made Bengali Holocaust, the Bengal Famine that killed 6-7 million Indians when the price of rice quadrupled (it has also tripled in 2007-2008: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/22807/42/ ) and those who could not buy food simply starved to death under a merciless "British" regime (see: http://www.open2.net/thingsweforgot/bengalfamine_programme.h...).

"Anti-Albionism"?

Yet if you read Nobel Laureate Doris Lessing's story ""A Love Child" in her collection "The Grandmothers" it represents that even World War 2 British soldiers in India but remote from Bengal strongly resented defending "British" imperialism over the starving Indians. "Self-hating anti-Albionism"?

A letter from a Jewish Australian to Melbourne's top newspaper "The Age" several years ago strongly objected to decent anti-racists - including anti-racist Jews - being tagged as "anti-Semites" or "self-hating Jews" and estimated (from memory) that 10% of Australian Jews, 30% of British Jews and 50% of Israeli Jews strongly objected to Israeli human rights abuses.

In the real-life movie "A Wedding in Ramallah" one of the principal men was so badly beaten by Jewish Israeli soldiers that he cannot have children. As a matter of LINGUISTIC FACILITY he and his friends and family say as a matter of course "the Jews did that" rather than "the Jews did that noting that not all Jews agree with such conduct" just as we say "the Germans destroyed Coventry" or should also say (but for lying historiographers, journalists and politicians) that "the

"British killed 6-7 million Indians in the World War 2 Bengal Famine" without "politically correct" qualifications about "not all Germans" or "not all Brits".

timmy
31 May 2008 at 05:29

"Moore and his people failed to reply and THEY stopped sending me their news letter.LOL"

So, moore stops replying to your emails, which means hes in the NWO. The newstatesman deletes your post, so they must be in the NWO. The state doesnt want to keep giving you money to be unemployed, which must be because of the NWO. You sell the big issue and cant get anything better. NWO. Quit using the NWO as an excuse for your own failings. It's pathetic, Carl.

And get a job, for god's sake.

Carl Jones
31 May 2008 at 09:58

I love using the term "NWO". Why should members of the elite like Bush senior and the Pope have franchises? Sorry darling Timmy, but I think i`ll keep using "NWO"....it gets people to think, think beyond their sham government consructs.LOL

Anyone interested in taking a stab at the question, "who is the NWO", would make a good start by going to "bilderberg.org" and you will start seeing the light.LOL

Carl Jones
31 May 2008 at 10:21

Gideon Polya, I`m quite happy about the gist of my argument and I know I`m not the greatest writer on Earth, and I also know the only folk who are offended by what I say, are the same people who are VERY HAPPY with the way things are on our disgusting little world.

The West has become a mirror image of Protestant dominated Northern Ireland, only this time, its elite Jews. The rest of the world will only start respecting the West, when there has been a restructuring in the balance of power.

Many might not like to think about it, but Russia, China , India, Brazil, Venezuela and Iran have formed a diplomatic axis to defend their interests against the Western axix of Britain, Amerika and Israel. The elite in these countries understand the NWO constructs of WW2/Japan, all the wars since and the sham war on terror....THEY KNOW, I know and its about time the public knew. Its like the teachers are allowing a gang of school bullies to run the school, its got to stop.

Disgusted in Tunbridge Wells
31 May 2008 at 10:46

Excellent article, I'd almost forgotten what real journalism smelled like - thank you. However, I see even here, some of the rabid third formers are repeating the same old nonsense. No "writeon" Senator Clinton neither said nor inferred, any such thing - and no, Senator Obama will not be the next president.

timmy
31 May 2008 at 10:53

Something Im not clear about Carl. Are aliens involved? And are the NWO human beings, or something else?

swatantra nandanwar
31 May 2008 at 12:00

There is little that Obama and Kennedy have in common apart from them both being Democrats. Bobby was steeped in the shady dealings of the Kennedys, and may well have been taken out by the 'Mafia'. To say Bobby was a 'liberal' would be stretching it. Obama has 'prescence' and is an extremely good and inspirational speaker. And thats why he has the makings of a great President.

Carl Jones
31 May 2008 at 13:55

timmy; "Are alliens involved"? Only in your head.....lol

Aurora44
31 May 2008 at 14:17

Bobby Kennedy helped create the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to end Jim Crow laws. It was Bobby Kennedy who as AG sent in 500 Federal marshals to protect the Freedom Riders in the South. In 1962 he also sent Federal Marshals to prevent riots by angry white lynch mobs when James Meredith was admitted to the Univ. of Mississippi. It was Bobby Kennedy who in 1963 federalized the Alabama National Guard to enforce the federal district court's desegregation order. It was Bobby Kennedy who helped bring about the desegregation of Capitol Hill itself, not asking, but demanding that government institutions and officials begin recruiting African American workers. He also helped to prevent a nuclear war during the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. After being elected to the Senate in 1964 he helped start the Bedford-Stuyvesant Corporation which successfully rebuilt one of New York’s worst slums. Not to mention his efforts to help the impoverished citizens of the Appalachians. Or his efforts to get rid of anti-miscegenation laws in the South. In 1966 he toured South Africa and became one of the first high ranking American officials to discuss the evils of Apartheid and attempt to bring it to the attention of the American public while calling for an end to that brutal system. A former supporter of the Death Penalty he came to view it as barbaric, hardly the commonly held view in the States in the 60s, and publicly stated his support in 1968 for a Bill to abolish the Death Penalty. As a Senator he supported busing to desegregate schools, full integration of public facilities, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, social welfare programs increasing education, offering opportunities for employment, and providing health care and access to decent housing for African-Americans.

Bobby Kennedy was no Saint. I'm well aware of his far less commendable acts (i.e. initially allowing Hoover to wiretap MLK and his work with McCarthy), but to suggest that RFK was a “Senator with no accomplishments to his name" is patently absurd. He was a flawed man with a mixed legacy, but that legacy included quite a few accomplishments and acts of decency that required more than mere lip-service.

"Men without hope, resigned to despair and oppression, do not make revolutions. It is when expectation replaces submission, when despair is touched with the awareness of possibility, that the forces of human desire and the passion for justice are unloosed." - Bobby Kennedy

galileo
31 May 2008 at 23:16

Pilger is right. It makes no difference who wins the US presidential race. The corporations and the neo cons rule the US and it's pretty much the same elswhere mutatis mutandis. In Michael Moore's film "Sicko" there is a revealing comment from US ex pats living in Paris who say "In France the government is afraid of the people but in America the people are afraid of the government". Until we all move toward the ideal of democracy for the people by the people we will continue to be coralled by increasingly repressive laws and more wars.

Smiling Dog
01 June 2008 at 02:22

"...the liberal New Republic"

That assertion alone kills Pilger's credibility in this piece.

timmy
01 June 2008 at 04:57

Sorry carl you didnt answer my other question. Are the NWO human beings?

writeon
01 June 2008 at 07:41

Disgusted from Tonbridge,

How come you are so cocksure that Obama will not be the next President? No nuance, but a bold assertion of a fact.

This is pretty arkane and open to nuance and interpretation - how does one measure what someone is inferring? If you examine the question put to Clinton about why she still remains in the contest despite her slim to impossible chance of winning her party's nomination, and read or listen to her reply, she did, in fact, compare the current situation with the past and mention the assassination of Robert Kennedy. She made the connection, it's not something I'm making up. But once again, you seem incredibly certain as to what she said and what she meant. I'm not sure what she really meant by using the words in this context, maybe she doesn't know either? This is probably why so many people in the United States were appalled by her reckless choice of words, as being in very poor taste, possibly infamatory and a sign of something close to desparation on her part. If my version of what she said and the context is so obviously wrong, what did she actually say and mean in your opinion?

Jane Greene
01 June 2008 at 10:25

For god's sake learn some English! Infer means to deduce, it doesn't mean to imply!

timmy
01 June 2008 at 15:58

you didnt answer my question Carl. Is it because youre embarrassed by how dumb youll sounds? Try again.

Are the NWO human?

Carl Jones
01 June 2008 at 16:28

Timmy; I don`t know....they look human.

Carl Jones
01 June 2008 at 16:35

Jane Greene, infer does mean imply. Deduce can mean infer....I think it all boils down to context. :)

timmy
01 June 2008 at 16:55

No kidding, Carl, they might not even be human?! Wow that is something. I wonder how they do it...

Im curious- what makes you so sure obama isnt one of "them"?

writeon
01 June 2008 at 17:45

Jane Greene,

Why are you so arrogant? Is it a character trait you are proud of? Why don't you deal with the substance of my post instead of some detail that's open to interpretation?

It's like a tactic beloved of some barristers who learn to attack the credibility of a witness by concentrating on some irrelevant detail. It isn't impressive and it isn't enlightening.

Carl Jones
01 June 2008 at 20:57

timmy, "they might not even be human".....timmy darling, these are your words. What is now the human race, started out from seven or so families, who is to know if all, or if any originated from Earth.

Little people like you, are lost in the Earth construct, just like the days of the flat Earthers....in your eyes, the ultimate sin is believing beyond this rock.LOL

Tell me timmy, are you the same geek who was asking me this same question on BBC Radio 4 forums several years ago? It really is funny how this question seems to be the number one question thrown at free thinkers....its soooo boring.LOL

timmy
02 June 2008 at 03:08

No, Carl- I havent been to the BBC Radio forums. You can call me a "geek", but you seem to spend plenty of time on a computer yourself. I suppose that's the way life is for an unemployable fatman in your condition.

"they might not even be human"

my words.

"I don`t know....they look human"

your words. Is there a difference in substance? You seem to think that they might not be human?? If they are/arent human, quit trying to avoid looking silly and say it straight.

Unfortunately, you failed to answer my question again. Here it is again:

what makes you so sure obama isnt one of "them"?

And I have another. You think that the human race originated from 7 or so families?! Please explain. Youre not talking about straight forward evolution are you, Carl? Is there something else nutty going on?

Oh, and you can call yourself a "free thinker" all you want. But free thinkers dont spend their time worrying that the state might cut their benefits. Free thinkers dont have terrible weight problems which force them to rely on "the NWO health service", and free thinkers dont sell big issue on the underground.

Carl Jones
02 June 2008 at 10:39

timmy, or is it antileft? If you aren`t one in the same, then you use the same tactics of abuse. This will be the last time I reply to you.

Geneticists have found that we modern day humans originate from 7 or so distinct genetic family lines.

I`m sure that once the worlds population has been DNA profiled, the likes of professor Jardine will be able to devise their eugenics master plan.

BTW, anytime YOU want to meet up face to face and verify my phisical condition, I`ll be there.LOL The question is, will your section head sign you out?LOL

porcospino
02 June 2008 at 14:43

'The conflict in the Middle East [is] rooted not "primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel", but in "the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam" ... Islamophobia is a liberal speciality.'

Que? How is denouncing a neofascist agenda like that of "al Qaeda" and friends Islamophobic? This sort of silliness serves only to marginalise your argument.

Theocratic regimes like the Taleban and the House of al-Saud represent the absolute antithesis of the liberal ideal, and jihadists, suicidal or otherwise, are deservedly tarred with the same brush.

This is not meant by any means to be a defence of Israel: the IDF bulldozing 200 homes per year since 1987 is pretty far from a liberal policy. But you have constantly sought to couch the Middle East conflict as a political or social problem, as if the Palestinians were somehow provided with education, sanitation and the right to self-determination, the problem would simply vanish.

As you well know, it is still the case that a sizeable proportion of Muslims in the Middle East would like nothing better than to see Israel eradicated.

While that country may have a disproportionate level of support in the US, thanks to Aipac and friends, must the rights of its citizens yield to the interests of Islamic imperialism, simply for fear that it would be "Islamophobic" to do otherwise?

timmy
02 June 2008 at 17:14

Yes, Carl, youre right- I changed my name so as not to offend the dumb lefties in this forum (I prefer to offend them by being mentally superior). Does who I am change the answers to the question? I think not.

But unsurprisingly, you failed to answer some of my questions again, didnt you Carl? It's the sign of weak, undefendable thought processes. Try again:

"they might not even be human"

my words.

"I don`t know....they look human"

your words. Is there a difference in substance?

And the other question: What makes you so sure obama isnt one of "them"?

Do try harder, Carl.

*Hint* if this is how you communicate your ideas during a job interview, it's no surpise that youre completely unemployable.

Premadasa
03 June 2008 at 04:56

Mr Pilger, Don't you understand that if any one were to lay out the kind of policy you like, he or she will never get elected. Obama has to first get elected and gradually change the American mind-set.

Claddach
03 June 2008 at 13:03

Hi Ben Davies. The only way there is ever going to be reasonable discussion on Comments is stop anonymous posts. Only Registered Users. It's not that Comments are offensive. They're just embarrassingly Looney Tunes.

Europhobe
03 June 2008 at 16:38

Claddach is quite right, but at the same time, Pilger's bildge is rather coduicive to nutters....

Jane Greene
03 June 2008 at 17:07

It's not arrogant to want people to use language correctly. If you don't know what words mean then don't use them. Now I look again at your post, I imagine I didn't deal with the substance because there wasn't any.

Colonel Blimp
03 June 2008 at 17:09

How dare you! People who call me a nutter tend to wind up horribly mutilated - and thanking me for it.

writeon
03 June 2008 at 17:49

Jane Greene,

Thank you for proving my point!

Europhobe
03 June 2008 at 21:51

what is a claddach anyway?

Bryan Pepperell
04 June 2008 at 03:06

Recently I saw the film IN THE SHADOW OF THE MOON. One of the astronauts reflected on how the Earth looked so fragile from the moon with its hostile landscape. The earth was a special and precious place. He drew the contrast between how the Earth appeared from the moon and how it was, with all its problems that needed to be solved.

There was a lesson to be learned from what the astronauts said about how they had been really lifted out of the Earth and the paradigms that dominate it's economic , social, and enviromental reality. In that sense both Obama and Pilger are doing pretty much as one would expect them to as men of Earth with feet of clay. Neither having much working insight into the realities of each others paradigms as practioners, but both men showing skill in their chosen professions. Would Pilger ever know how heavy lies the crown and the path that leads to it. Would Obama really see himself as others (Pilger) see him . It is a hard call for both men.

If Obama can make a new dominating myth, and a new paradigm to live by then we might get some valuable time on the long and tortuious march to our destiny. If this is not the answer you seek then perhaps this is the best there is to offer. Yes I forgot the astronaut who gave his life to the lord which may fit your bill also...Too simple? Then be satisfied with the never ending story of the sorrows of humanity.

Bryan Pepperell

Wellington

New Zealand

proudlyleft
04 June 2008 at 09:01

I have basically supported Obama but I must say that Pilger's comments ring a familair bell -- and bring forth some doubts that I have already had. At its simplest, this has to do with the fact that Obama -- despite securing a historic nomination that should have good effects on minority and Black aspirations -- is a mainstream, privileged American with a 'minority/Black' image. This means that he will be under pressure -- both from socio-educational conditioning and the pressure to prove that he is not 'soft' (because he is SEEN as 'minority/Black') -- to adopt strong, uncompromising 'American' positions. It might make him, as Pilger suggests, a version of McCain. Add to that the fact that the space for dialogue has been shrinking relentlessly in American public life, not least the media and political platforms. Obama is an exceptional person, but he will have to be MUCH MORE than exceptional to cart a course of any significance and avoid being shoved in predictable directions. The question is: should we take McCain because with him we know what we will get, or should we take Obama because with him, perhaps, we will get some change (though there is a good chance that we might again just get McCain in another clothing)?

sarahsmith232
04 June 2008 at 20:48

i note 'antileft''s at it again, yet more of the 'i'm supernaturally intelligent, i can only pity the rest of you mere mortals' posts. this poor boy seems to have nothing better to do with his life.

Carl Jones
04 June 2008 at 21:26

Sarah, yes, he slandered my wife last week, but that is the desperation of the hardright.

Obama spoke to the Jewish lobby today. Obama promised to do "everything in in his power to stop Iran aquiring nukes, EVERYTHING"! Obama is on public record, stating that "I would bomb Pakistan if it made Amerikan`s feel safer"!!!!lol

McCain is a senile puppet. I`ve seen 5/6 instances where McCain is spacially unaware of where he is and this on camera and several cases where aides have stepped in to correct his bumblings.

McCain was a military failure compared to his ancestors and only achieved what he did because of his families miitary history. McCain is DESTERATE to make his military mark...need I say more.

Take your pick, global prospects look very poor, more war, more MSM jaw, jaw.LOL.

thorshammer
05 June 2008 at 08:42

Good people, wake up!

You are being shepherded, time to stop being sheep. John Pilger's exposure of the truth here is merely one of exponentially-growing examples of such: the power elite wish to keep their control in place, and each and every candidate is only a well-positioned (though sometimes thoroughly bumbling, ie. Bush McCain et al.) pawn.

I vote for John Pilger! (In Canada I vote for Murray Dobbin.) Kudos to everyone here at The Statesman.

thorshammer
05 June 2008 at 09:24

Excuse the repeat posting, I must add a footnote:

62 posted comments - that's fantastic, people care!

I don't have the time to post all that I know, in all the places I know of. Hats off to people like Carl Jones and Gideon Polya for adding to the truth here, about the managed left-AND-right Mass Media.

Davies' foray into self-justification above belies the fact NS is part of that managed media agenda: putting forth that tired agenda about guarding against "hate-fuelled bigotry..." and slapping labels like "anti-semitic" on voices of protest. The danger lies not in allowing a bigot to speak - people will see the buffoonery. The danger lies in censorship.

Speak on People!

Stan Halen
05 June 2008 at 23:44

You're always an engaging writer, John, but when you make assertions like "in December, Bush secretly authorised support for two guerrilla armies inside Iran", without attribution, my credulity balloon bursts. Not saying you're wrong, just that when the stakes are this high the good guys must redouble their efforts.

Dion Giles
06 June 2008 at 04:07

Carl Jones wrote

I"`m REALLY sorry that you WEREN`T allowed to read my original comment, but certain aspects of our global society get protection far beyond written laws....these are NWO laws....you are forbidden from asking questions, its that simple and YOU should be VERY WORRIED."

I would most assuredly like to hear them and, with your permission, pass them on to others who reject racism (pressure groups notwithstanding) as I am sure you do.

My address is diongiles1@aapt.net.au

Serosch
06 June 2008 at 08:46

- Admin

30 May 2008 at 10:40

Let's be very clear about the policy I have towards comments and 'censorship'. We do not tolerate racism or any other form of hate-fuelled bigotry on this website. -

Unless it against Muslims, and/or is being written by Martin Bright.

Also if you don't want people to make critical remarks about Jews then perhaps you should not allow those whose advocate the complete destruction of Palestine (Zionists) to write blogs on NS sites.

Admin
06 June 2008 at 09:38

The picture you paint Serosch is a false one.

Serosch
06 June 2008 at 16:47

To Admin,

You would say that, anyway I think the most telling issue with the NS has become the self-censorship, the US is at present trying to get the Iraqis to sign away their future, it is using Iraqi reserves held in an US bank as leverage/blackmail.

Has the NS published anything in respect of this, has the NS published anything in respect of the continued theft of Palestinian land, or the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Jerusalem.

Has the NS published anything about the growing influence of the Zionist Friends of Israel Group, I could go on, but what the hell's the point.

outsider
06 June 2008 at 21:58

I have great respect for John Pilger, particularly his work on East Timor / Timor L'Este (which I campaigned on for many years); in no way can he be classed as a 'Gatekeeper', IMO, but how in God's name can he be oblivious to the mass of evidence pointing to 9/11 being an 'Inside Job'? He says Rev. Wright is right, that the US brought the atrocity down on itself (had Osama done it, I would agree with Pilger and Wright), but the mass of evidence shrieks 'False Flag!', 'False Flag!'. Why believe the narrative of War Criminals and compulsive liars, and shun evidence that abounds contradicting it??

And whilst attacking Bobby Kennedy, he doesn't go into who appears to have killed him, and why, and how the plotters stood to gain, and did gain; and the evidence that points to an official assassination, just as in the case of his brother John, and John's son JFK Jr (Flight 'accident'?? Check it out on the web).

John Pilger does expose some new stuff I was unaware of about Obama, but given the three candidates, he appears to me to be the best of the bunch.

An excellent book on the 'Elite' circles that run elections and everything else is Webster Tarpley's 'George Bush: The Unauthorised Biography'; very good stuff on Prescott Bush funding Hitler, 'Skull & Bones', etc. It all ties in with Bilderberg, NWO, etc.

London E1

Bryan Pepperell
07 June 2008 at 04:33

I am disappointed with the fact that I publish with my name and others get away with nameless troll like activity on a good website. Sorry, I had to get that off my chest.

There are now only two candidates and I see Obama as the best on offer. Democracy is coming to the USA. We need Obama to open the door to further change and I see him as the most likely to allow reform. I think he and his wife will be good value if we can get in behind them both in a positive way. The future of the world could be decided by this election. I'm uncertain about how well Obama understands Peak Oil but I 'm sure he is capable of grasping the seriousness of the the energy crisis. Why not be positive and get in behind him and the possibility of what he represents.

Cheers

Bryan Pepperell

Wellington

New Zealand

outsider
07 June 2008 at 21:32

Since my last post, it has been pointed out to me that John Pilger is on video saying that there were more than one gunman who fired shots at Robert Kennedy's assassination, and that he and others told the FBI about it, to no effect - odd that it doesn't seem to have coloured his attitude to a State assassination:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ27B4bSqEw

London E1

jimdenham
07 June 2008 at 23:24

Usual anti-American rubbish from Pilger: at least, this time, he hasn't called Obama an "Uncle Tom"!

F--KBryan
08 June 2008 at 05:45

What the hell does anti american mean? Are you hoping it to be some sort of pejorative, cause it really isn't Jim, I doubt many people would sneer at the word anti-american.

Admin
11 June 2008 at 09:44

Actually Harpers I've just gone through and unpublished some of the comments by Claddach - you're right they were unacceptable. You could have made your point more more politely though.

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John Pilger, renowned investigative journalist and documentary film-maker, is one of only two to have twice won British journalism's top award; his documentaries have won academy awards in both the UK and the US. In a New Statesman survey of the 50 heroes of our time, Pilger came fourth behind Aung San Suu Kyi and Nelson Mandela. "John Pilger," wrote Harold Pinter, "unearths, with steely attention facts, the filthy truth. I salute him."

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