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Voices from an unwinnable war

James Macintyre

Published 08 January 2009

Until now, young Israelis have been able to ignore the plight of Palestinians in Gaza. The invasion has changed all that

Tension is growing inside the Old City of Jerusalem as the army’s attacks on Gaza continue

Voices from an unwinnable war

Within an hour of Israel's ground invasion of Gaza on Saturday 3 January, word had spread around downtown Jerusalem. Young people who would normally be out socialising returned home or remained there to watch the TV news. Everyone you meet in Jerusalem and beyond is obsessively following the events in Gaza: what the daily newspaper Haaretz is calling "the First Gaza War".

For nearly all Jews in Israel, the connection is very personal. Because of conscription, with the exception of those in the tiny, ultra-Orthodox religious minority, almost everyone will themselves have served or be serving, or expect to serve in the army, or have children or relatives who do. Yael Aviv, a 26-year-old part-time waitress at Mona's, a fashionable nightspot, shudders as she describes learning of the deployment from a colleague.

"It gives me the shivers," she says. "I know someone down there [at the border, where thousands of troops are amassed] and I have many friends who are soldiers. Tomorrow I'll go to college and we will all be talking about those we know who are serving."

Picking at an eggplant salad, Ouria Tadmor, a 31-year-old photographer, expresses his fears for his family in the south. His mother and brother - who has three children - live in Yavne, close to Ashdod, which the Hamas rockets have targeted for the first time. He himself grew up in Beer Sheva, also hit (also for the first time) just before the ground invasion.

"There is nothing they can do - they each have a bomb shelter in their home; the kids don't go to school and don't leave the house," he says. "My mother is deaf in one ear and doesn't hear the alarms." And why are there so few people out in what is Jerusalem's rough equivalent of Leicester Square? "As long as it's only the air force attacking [Gaza], people don't really care. But as soon as the kids go in, everybody watches." Yael agrees. "I prefer not to see the news all day, but I am following this," she says.

It is hard to find Israelis who - for now, at least - do not support the confrontation with Hamas. People want an end to the rocket fire that has killed 24 in Israel since the beginning of the second intifada in September 2000 (though many would acknowledge that this is a modest number compared with the hundreds, some claim thousands, of Palestinian civilian casualties in Gaza over the same period). And there is national pride, too, assuaging the failure of the outgoing prime minister Ehud Olmert's prolonged war against Hezbollah in Lebanon during the summer of 2006.

Both Ouria, who describes himself as a "liberal centrist", and Yael, who craves a peaceful settlement with the Palestinians, support the troop invasion of Gaza. "If you do something, you've got to do it right," says Ouria. This view is backed by polls, which - at the time of writing - show a little more than half of all Israelis supporting the Gaza operation. Figures published in Haaretz put support at 53 per cent, even though only 19 per cent had said they wanted a ground invasion before it took place.

This relative unanimity among Israelis has palpably increased the tension with Palestinians in neighbouring occupied East Jerusalem. As protests began to spill over into the Old City early this month, armed soldiers hurried towards al-Aqsa Mosque, where Muslims were gathering for Friday prayers.

In secular Tel Aviv, however, the war feels a long way away. Hamas militants in Gaza may chant "Bomb Tel Aviv" but it is an oasis of indifference. I visit a former soldier who describes the general mood in the city as "denial". "You could live in this seaside, modern city without thinking about the conflict for a minute," he says. "We live in a bubble."

Bubbles occasionally burst. His girlfriend was late for our meeting because, just down the coast in the ancient Arab town of Jaffa, the bus in front of hers was rocked back and forth by angry protesters. And as the troops went in on Saturday night, several thousands held a ceasefire rally in the square where the former prime minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated.

As Israel risks another military quagmire amid growing condemnation from abroad - with more dead soldiers and apparent defeat because the rockets from Hamas have not stopped landing in southern Israel - it is a stand-off that is too much to bear.

In the near-empty bar of Mona's, Ouria says he's had enough of living in a divided city and within an hour of the destruction in Gaza.

For the first time, he has "no one to vote for" in next month's elections, elections that cynics believe explain the timing of this war. "I'm actually looking for a European wife and to get the hell out of here," he says with a sardonic smile. "You should write that down, because quite a lot of my generation feel as I do but they won't say it."

Photo by Quique Kirszenbaum

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15 comments from readers

amanfromMars
08 January 2009 at 11:31

"It is hard to find Israelis who - for now, at least - do not support the confrontation with Hamas. People want an end to the rocket fire that has killed 24 in Israel since the beginning of the second intifada in September 2000 (though many would acknowledge that this is a modest number compared with the hundreds, some claim thousands, of Palestinian civilian casualties in Gaza over the same period). And there is national pride, too, assuaging the failure of the outgoing prime minister Ehud Olmert's prolonged war against Hezbollah in Lebanon during the summer of 2006."

The perverse and errant madness and badness exposed in a paragraph.

Who would say that its Leaders are not Guilty of Capital Crimes on a par with those Prosecuted on Key Individuals with the Regime Change in Iraq?

FreedomLand
08 January 2009 at 15:53

In Palestine, a War on Children - by John Pilger, June 15, 2006:-

"The reason Israel fears Hamas is that Hamas is unlikely to be a trusted collaborator in subjugating its own people on Israel's behalf. Indeed, the vote for Hamas was actually a vote for peace. Palestinians were fed up with the failures and corruption of the Arafat era. According to the former U.S. president Jimmy Carter, whose Carter Center verified the Hamas electoral victory, "public opinion polls show that 80 percent of Palestinians want a peace agreement with Israel."

How ironic this is, considering that the rise of Hamas was due in no small part to the secret support it received from Israel, which, with the U.S. and Britain, wanted Islamists to undermine secular Arabism and its "moderate" dreams of freedom. Hamas refused to play this Machiavellian game and in the face of Israeli assaults maintained a cease-fire for 18 months. The objective of the Israeli attack on the beach at Gaza was clearly to sabotage the cease-fire. This is a time-honored tactic..." http://www.antiwar.com/orig/pilger.php?articleid=9144

Cybertiger
08 January 2009 at 20:22

"As long as it's only the air force attacking [Gaza], people don't really care ..."

This was a desparately chilling comment from a young Israeli woman - to prove what powerful monster the Jewish state has become. How can this monster be tamed before it kills us all?

Gideon Polya
09 January 2009 at 03:22

All but pro-Peace Jewish Israelis are utterly condemned by the following key sentences in James Macintyre's article about Jewish Israeli sentiment: "It is hard to find [Jewish?] Israelis who - for now, at least - do not support the confrontation with Hamas. People want an end to the rocket fire that has killed 24 in Israel since the beginning of the second intifada in September 2000"

Hard to imagine that any of the 1.5 million Indigenous Palestinian Arab Israelis would support killing 700 Indigenous Palestinians in the Gaza Bantustan (Professor Noam Chomsky: "Prison"; others: "Gaza Concentration Camp") vs 6 Israeli deaths by Gazans in the same Dec-Jan period (death ratio 117).

From Israeli Government, UN and B'Tselem, Israelis killed by Palestinians (Sep 2000-January 2009) total 1,182; Palestinians violently killed by Israelis (Sep 2000-Jan 2009) total 5,528, this yielding a 2000-2009 Palestinian/Israeli "death ratio" of 5,528/1,182 = 4.7.

However gross Israeli violation of the Geneva Convention means that there have been an estimated 35,360 non-violent avoidable Occupied Palestinian deaths from deprivation (mostly children) since Sep 2000, this then yielding 35,360 + 5,528 = 40,888 Occupied Palestinian violent and non-violent excess (avoidable) deaths since Sep 2000.

This latter estimate yields a 2000-2009 Palestinian/Israeli death ratio of 40,888/1,182 = 34.6, about 3.5 times the "reprisals death ratio" of 10 ordered by Nazi leader Adolph Hitler and executed with 335 Italian men and boys killed in the Ardeatine Massacre of 24 March 1944 in reprisals for the killing of 33 Nazi Germans by Partisans.

For a detailed, documented, authoritative summary of the Israeli and Occupied Palestinian deaths since September 2000 from Israeli and UN sources see "Indigenous/Invader death ratios in Indian Mutiny (5,000), by Nazis (10) & Israeli Gaza Massacre (117) ": http://gideon.sulekha.com/blog/post/2009/01/indigenous-invad... .

FreedomLand
09 January 2009 at 16:05

Gideon Polya: "All but pro-Peace Jewish Israelis are utterly condemned by..... "It is hard to find [Jewish?] Israelis who - for now, at least - do not support the confrontation with Hamas. People want an end to the rocket fire that has killed 24 in Israel since..... September 2000..."

Yeah, well, a whole 24 Israelis but that is one point in itself, Gideon Polya, but the real issue is not that Israelis want "an end to the rocket fire..." but the fact that they know in themselves that it is a result of their own (Israel's) previous actions since 1948.

Therefore the problem is denial and refusal to accept the 'inconvenient truth' about what they have done themselves. Sadly, though, the Western countries in the world supporting Israel also have their own issues of denial and refusal to admit their error in permitting a fake state to be formed through terrorism and aggression out of what was once a co-existing group of the three Abrahamic religions in the region (the original Palestine).

Thus there was a regression from multi-culturalism to an acceptance of an exclusive society based upon prejudice and a single dominant religion - and the justification for the oppression was that these people, wherever they came from as long as they identified with that hegemony, had some supposed right according to a very dubious tribal history in some equally dubious religious text co-opted by one of the religions - which would then allow its own adherents to be marginalized and persecuted because they were ethnically undesirable to the Western world.

In other words, this is really a story of white European "settler society" and former colonialist powers still indulging in the kind of rank hypocrisy which has ever marked their own predatory existence. That they are otherwise well embarked upon their own destruction is one thing but they ignorantly cling to their own religious fantasies whilst criticizing others for wanting to be freed from them, uhh.

writeon
09 January 2009 at 22:46

The role of the victorious 'master race' in relation to a defeated and subjugated people, or 'primative, uncivilised, savages' as they are usually thought of, corrupts the souls of the victors at the same time as they attempt to crush the resistance of their victims. In fact the very act of resistance to invasion and oppression is interpreted as proof of their savagery and lack of worth, until they don't even deserve to live, they aren't even real people anymore. Then once they aren't people who deserve to live, subhumans, they can be killed with impunity and no guilt, cleanly. Soon one is slaughtering women and children with a shrug and indifference as one pulls the trigger.

And does one really win anything worth having at such a terrible cost in human life? Are the Israelis proud that they have turned into such efficient killers and warriors? See, look at us Jews, pushed around for centuries, killed and slaughtered - now look at us! See how much we've learned, we've become masters of slaughter too, the badge of all truly great peoples.

Now the Jewish bit of me is appalled at this ghastly state of affairs. For me the price is just too high. The price of Israel is just too high and not worth it for a creating a mythical kingdom based on a legend.

And it's not about the cost of the land, it's the moral price we're paying, we're gaining the land but we're losing our souls and endagering our very existance as human beings.

FreedomLand
10 January 2009 at 04:27

FALSE FLAG operations in Gaza and Israel..... What if :-

(a) the UN aid truck drivers were set up to go into Gaza (co-ordinated) then shot up by the IDF so that the UN could use that as an excuse to not deliver any more relief supplies to Gazans? That would then effectively be a blockade to starve the Palestinians/Hamas into submission! We know the UN record on massacres associated witht heir operations everywhere over decades!

(b) The rockets fired into Israel were neither from the Palsetinians (as claimed by the IDF) nor Hezbollah but fired by arrangement by the IDF to widen the conflict and give them an excuse to crush Hamas entirely before acceding to any truce deal before the new Obama administration takes office in the USA - and a future excuse to attack Lebanon again if they can?

US Senate supports Israel's Gaza incursion - "When we pass this resolution, the United States Senate will strengthen our historic bond with the state of Israel, by reaffirming Israel's inalienable right to defend against attacks from Gaza, as well as our support for the Israeli-Palestinian peace process..." http://uk.reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUKN08534236

FreedomLand
10 January 2009 at 04:35

Dec 30, 2008 - Crude oil rises after Israeli attacks on Gaza roil Middle East: "The Yam Thetis partnership, which includes Houston-based Noble Energy Inc. and Delek, said all terms have been met to supply Israel Chemicals Ltd. with natural gas..... Crude oil rose as much as 12% after IAF air strikes raised concerns that supply from the Middle East, the world's largest producing region, may be disrupted..." http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230456526788&pag...

Quote :"Noble Energy has a history of embracing new approaches to established norms and breaking away from set patterns in order to generate exceptional results. Whether its creating markest for stranded natural gas or drilling to greater depths and in deeper water, Noble Energy is constantly applying innovative thinking to produce greater efficiencies and faster growth.....

Useful search terms - 'British Gas Gaza'

jamshed
10 January 2009 at 09:34

Israel i think after WW2 gone mad. they think killing is the reason for everything which has gone wrong. they making more terrorists by destroying generations aagain and again...

FreedomLand
10 January 2009 at 10:46

Aussie mafia of spin doctors in Israel:-

"When The Weekend Australian visited Captain Rutland in his office in Jerusalem yesterday, he was at his desk watching the BBC to monitor its take on the war..... How hard is it to sell a war when so many civilians are being killed? "For me it is extremely disturbing when civilians are killed, whether in Israel or Gaza," he said.

"But as part of my job I have met and liked thousands of Israeli soldiers and officers and I know that the vast majority of them are quite simply very good people who do the maximum to minimise injuries to civilians and I'm convinced that the IDF is a moral and just body which makes it easy for me to sell it."

How does he feel when he hears, as he did this week, about the 40 deaths at a UN school in Gaza hit by Israeli tanks. "When that first came in we didn't have much information," he said. "There was a sense of horror. But as information filtered in that Hamas fighters had been in there, that changed. If rockets were being fired at Sydney, Canberra or Melbourne, the Australian Government would respond."

Captain Rutland had spent time in Israel over the past 10 years but moved there permanently three years ago. "I want to be at the centre of Jewish history," he said. "In this job I certainly feel that that is where I'm at." Captain Rutland is part of what he calls "an Australian mafia" who are prominent in selling the war, along with friend Guy Spigelman, an Israeli reservist also in the public affairs unit of the army.

Then there's Mark Regev, Israel's face to the world who moved to Israel from Melbourne. Mr Regev has been spokesman for Prime Minister Ehud Olmert since December 2007..." http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24893700-...

amanfromMars
11 January 2009 at 08:10

Is Uncle Sam planning on giving the Bully a Short, Sharp Lesson in a New Reality [AI NeuReality Virtually Created with NEUKlearer HyperRadioProActivity*]or an Assist in the Middle East Land Grab .... Goyim Robbery ..... http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L9736369.htm

* One of those dual-use, WAI above Top Secret Technologies, which are only available to Most Particular and Peculiar Favoured Nation States Persons and QuITe XXXXCeptional Non-State Actors into Global Conceptualisation and Virtualisation to Reality.

FreedomLand
11 January 2009 at 12:59

BTW, there was an earlier topic on GAZA preceding this set at http://www.newstatesman.com/middle-east/2009/01/israel-targe... - and I notice that JM has impudently deleted my own posting ehre. What did he think he was going to achieve?

Cybertiger
11 January 2009 at 15:35

"Israelis have never sought anything beyond an accommodation of peaceful co-existence between Arab and Jew, between Israel and its Arab neighbors."

LOL!

Amihai, the Jewish cuckoo, is twitching stupidly again ...

Hercules
11 January 2009 at 22:16

Many people call the zionist state of israel a cancer wound on the heart of Arabs. I understand fully well these people!

bodek_tzitziyot
13 January 2009 at 01:55

"...People want an end to the rocket fire that has killed 24 in Israel since the beginning of the second intifada in September 2000..."

The author appears to have forgotten the 1000+ Israeli deaths from Hamas bombings in that period. Israel's security fence and the effective work of the Shabak curtailed those Islamist atrocities.

The Gaza operation will similarly drastically reduce the terrorization of 800000 Israelis by Hamas rockets.

As for civilian casualties, far greater numbers were inflicted by British and Nato forces in the Balkans, Iraq and Afghnistan. In all those cases, no attack on Britain preceded the British resort to violence.

It would be appropriate if the NS and its writers were to remove the beams in their own eyes before looking for motes in the eyes of the Israelis.

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