Registered user login:

Reprehensible Israeli policies and mistaken token responses

Published 21 June 2007

Israel's policy towards the Palestinians has long been morally and politically reprehensible. But it is only through concerted engagement that a broader catastrophe can be averted

There are few places as squalid as Gaza. There are few places so resembling a cage as this strip of land on Israel's south-western fringes. There are few places that more clearly symbolise asymmetric warfare, that are more focused on by the media, and yet feel so helpless. It is no wonder that most Palestinians living there have so enthusiastically greeted the victory of Hamas. Their experience of the alternative has brought them misery. The events of the past week, as both Zaki Chehab and Haim Baram write in our special report (pages 18-22), presage further gloom and bloodshed.

Three sides share blame for the horror, but by no means in equal measure. Israel is most culpable. Perhaps with the exception of Yitzhak Rabin, it has never seriously entertained a vision of a viable two-state solution. It has gone through the motions, even withdrawing its settlements from Gaza, but it would accept only an entirely neutered Palestinian state, or rather two encircled, incomplete Bantustans, whose external borders, internal transit routes, utilities and public finances would be utterly at the behest of the Israeli authorities. This has been the politics of occupation and humiliation, encouraged by the various White House administrations and followed by hapless European envoys.

What few opportunities the Palestinian leadership has been granted, it has squandered through incompetence and corruption. US policy, staunchly pro-Israeli for half a decade, took a new turn under the Bush administration, which has applied its simplistic neoconservative logic to this most complex of areas.

The elections demanded of Palestinians in January 2006 brought the unintended consequence of a Hamas victory. The response of the Israel/US/EU alliance was to "punish" them by withholding financial transfers it had no right to withhold, and to impoverish further an already desperate and resentful people. Even President Mahmoud Abbas's decision to forge a coalition with Hamas earlier this year provided no respite.

Now, for the first time, there will be two rival states, one potentially Islamist in Gaza, the other largely secular in the West Bank. One will be starved of resources, the other may have some money returned to it. The colonial politics of divide and rule - one group deemed "extremist", the other "moderate" - has been given a 21st-century imprimatur. As ever in the debacle that is George Bush's Middle East policy, two countries benefit: Iran and Syria.

The potential for war is great. Israel, after its failed invasion of Lebanon last August, no longer feels invincible. It sees the hand of Iran in everything done by Hamas (and Hezbollah to the north). And it will hit out, again. Violence across the region will spiral.

What should the world do? In Israel, a candid debate is taking place about how to deal with these changing circumstances. The media there are vigorous, as is parliament. Academics enjoy more freedom than elsewhere in the Middle East.

That is why Israel's many detractors should desist from easy rhetoric and token gestures. That is why recent decisions to consider British boycotts by the National Union of Journalists and the University and College Union, which represents academics, are misplaced.

The only boycott that matters is a political one, and that, quite plainly, will not happen. Academics and journalists are among those still most open to persuasion. There is, with many Israelis, still a battle of ideas to be won. That task is harder in the US, where a new McCarthyism has taken hold. A hunt for anti-Semites under the bed is being led by the American right, with its outposts in the UK. Their verbal aggression towards Israel's detractors is a deliberate manipulation of the debate, a diversion from the original criticism. Indeed, the Israeli government, and its policy towards the Palestinians, is often indulged more in the US media than it is in Israel itself.

One can understand the frustration that, after all these years, so little progress has been made. Israel's policy towards the Palestinians has long been morally and politically reprehensible. But it is only through concerted engagement that a broader catastrophe can be averted.

We're just so damned nice

Britain's got talent, Simon Cowell has tried to prove over the past few weeks, but is it really in the stick-twirling, octogenarian tap-dancing, toddler music-hall turns or transvestite singing acts we've seen on ITV?

Assiduous viewers will know that we certainly have a talent for tear-jerking tales of triumph over tragedy. Sweet Connie's heart-melting voice helped the family get over Gran's death; plucky Craig risked parental rejection by coming out as a baton-twirler; obdurate Brian refused to let an attack of nervous shaking halt his knife-throwing act (which luckily was stopped before he killed his daughter).

Paul Potts, the eventual winner, overcame the humiliation of being accused of cheating, while cheeky chappie Jake Pratt enjoyed a poor but happy childhood in the uncompromising environment of a Scarborough holiday camp.

But what of our quieter skills, the ones that wouldn't make it to a Royal Variety Performance? Politeness (obviously, Simon). Lawns and marmalade (a league of our own). Compromises (within reason). Dignity (standing on it). Tolerance (and please don't suggest otherwise).

But maybe our finest talent was revealed when the BBC released a report on its own terrible failures (page 17). We do the best self-criticism. Where but Britain would a major corporation flagellate itself for being too nice, too liberal and too anxious to raise money for starving children? What a talent!

Post this article to

  • Digg
  • del.icio.us
  • newsvine
  • NowPublic
  • Reddit

30 comments from readers

prunesagen
21 June 2007 at 14:10

1948-1967west bank under harsh Jordanial rule with no intention of creating an "independent" Palestaian state there. Same for Gaza under Egyptian rule till 1967. Ask why not as it was under brotherly Arab control and easy to achieve.

Then Egypt starts the 1967 War and despite being warned off by Israel Jordan merrily joins in and both loose West Bank & Gaza.

Gaza was always a rebelious place and Egypt kept a firm hand. Why did you The Statement before 67

not demand an independent Palestian state whilst in Arab control ? No prizes there. This is certainly not Israel's fault but an Arab one who continue to use

the poor former refugees as a pawn. You never mention the Jews kicked out of various Arab countries since 1948 do you !

ferndock
21 June 2007 at 15:17

This article's hypocracy is mind numbing. "Israel's policy towards the Palestinians has long been morally and politically reprehensible. But it is only through concerted engagement that a broader catastrophe can be averted". It is the "Palestinians" utter lack of leadership, corruption, missed opportunities, propagandizing, hate-filled schools, suicide bombing, Arab neighbors that are responsible for their circumstances. Oh, and let's not forget the UN, and the fact that not one Arab neighboring country has absorbed the "brother" refugees kept stupid and hungry....

rlincolna
21 June 2007 at 15:35

Have the palestinian officials in these two mini-countries officially accepted Israel's right to exist? It is very hard to help a group bent on doing you harm. I think you expect a lot out of Israel.

Ed
21 June 2007 at 15:44

If there is anything "morally and politically reprehensible" it is articles like this one: totally divorced from the moral and political issues at stake. The Palestinians have had 60 yrs to accept the rights of Jews to national self-determination, yet virtually no progress has been made, and Hamas calls for the destruction of the Jewish state and refuses to recognize the human rights of Jews (and more recently Christians) at the most basic level.

To delude yourselves with the idea that it is Israel that rejects the two state solution is to show utter disdain for the words and actions of Palestinians, the people whom you claim to defend but really patronize.

PavlosPlanoudakis
21 June 2007 at 15:52

Even more morally and politically reprehensible is this article! What a ridiculous slant on history! At least the BBC try a little to be subtle about their hatred of Israel, but this is just plain ridiculous! The writer even goes to say that "There are few places as squalid as Gaza. There are few places so resembling a cage as this strip of land on Israel's south-western fringes." How absurd! Many Palestinians themselves have been reported over the last few weeks as admitting publically that the strip was a 'paradise' in the hands of the Israelis and that the Palestinians themselves are guilty of ruining what they were given and even go so far as to say how much they would have liked the Israelis to come and teach them how to sustain and develop the strip! Stop insulting the Palestinians by making excuses for them and developing the 'victimhood' mentality and encourage them to work the land and spend their aid money on doing so rather than on guns and the Palestinians will flourish!

Supercritic
21 June 2007 at 16:19

Next time some editor tells you to produce a column ask him to confine his request to something about which you have at least a scintilla of knowledge and undertanding. As has been noted, there is a great gulf between typing and writing. I am afraid you fall into he former category. The agenda in the middle east has been and is still dictated by those who control the instruments of violence. To discuss the region without mentioning suicide bombings, thousands of rockets, kidnapping and murder it simply inane.

I believe if you had bothered to look, you might ahve noticed the the jam up at the border are Palestinians trying to get into Israel. Can you imagine that.

Anyway, best of luck in your new career. I am sure it will be a better fit for you.

shrink2u
21 June 2007 at 16:38

What can you say about a one-sided (likely anti-semitic) diatribe posing as an editorial. There is little fact and no balance in this. Even the Arab nations, the EU, the UN, and nearly every Western country recognizes the risk of Islamist beliefs and methods which involve converting ALL of the Arab countries and ultimately ALL countries and peoples forcibly to Islam and applying Islamic law to them. Yes, this includes the writer of this editorial and all the rest of us. But those Israelis!!! Shame on them for being so intent on not being destroyed! How dare they be concerned with Hamas openly stating Israel must be destroyed and all Jews must leave or be killed but the native born!!! I think they should be loving toward these people, and very trusting (remember what Hamas did in Gaza only days ago). Hug, hug, kiss, kiss. These are murderous fanatics funded and trained and supplied by those notable rational people in Iran and Syria who ALSO want to forcibly convert all of us to fundamentalist Islam. This writer needs at least a modicum of education.

justme77
21 June 2007 at 21:18

Wow, so the only people who could respond to this article are thoseso offended at the author's suggestion of Israeli blame for the plight of Gaza! Yes, it is shameful that factional fighting has led to further turmoil for the Palestinian population, but there's no denying that this situation has played right into Israel's plans. Prunesagen provides us with a timetable, but doesn't mention the basis of the entire problem/conflict: Zionists stole land from the indiginous Arab population, displaced the indiginous population, committed atrocity upon atrocity against those peoples, and has continued a brutal occupation of the Palestinian territories. Oh, yeah, but Israel needs to "protect" itself. Guys, if some stranger came into your home, kicked you out, killed some of your family and friends, and continued to insult you, how would you feel - "hug, hug, kiss, kiss?" I don't this so. Be honest about what has really happened in the Middle East. Remember, pre 1900, Arabs and Jews had lives in relative peace on the same land - there was a small Jewish population that co-existed with the Arabs, along with Christians - there was no inherent hatred. It was only after the Zionists began taking land and kicking people out that things went wrong. Peace to ALL!

mitchy
22 June 2007 at 11:10

As always, whenever the Palestinian question arises as a result of articles in this magazine, it brings out the people with the skewed viewpoints, who are happy to see things one way, but not the other. Until all sides in this conflict acknowledge their complicity (and that includes the UK/ US), the problem will never be resolved, and innocent people will continue to suffer and die.

Amihai
22 June 2007 at 12:48

Why blame Israel for events in Gaza other than the fact that it is politically correct in Britain to blame the Jewish state for nearly every ill in our region?

Israel left the Gaza Strip in the summer of 2005. Every single centimeter of the territory was evacuated by both the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) and the Jewish farmers and artisans who lived in several villages in the southern end of the Strip on previously uncultivated dunes of sand that they developed into successful farming communities.

Prior to leaving the Strip Israel offered to leave the residences and other buildings in tact so that they would be used by the Palestinian Arabs and in so doing reduce the housing shortage in the area. The Palestinian Arabs said no.

Jewish contributors from abroad acquired on behalf of the Palestinian Arabs the green houses that were the main source of livelihood for the Israeli farmers. Israel in this context offered to send consultants free of charge to help the local population to utilize the green houses for domestic food production and for export. Yet, as soon as the evacuation took place the Gazans vandalized the green houses and used them and some of the workshops left behind in the process of acquiring and producing illicit weapons.

Upon Hamas coming to power among the Palestinian Arabs, Israel agreed to continue its dialogue and relationships with the newly elected Hamas based government as long as Hamas met the three simple but basic requirements in any proper international relationships, requirements that incidentally were placed by the entire, yes, entire international community – UN, EU, US, Russia, Arab state and the Presidency of the Palestinian Authority. The requirements were as follows:

1) Adhere to agreements negotiated with Israel and signed by the Palestinian Arab leadership.

2) Recognize in principle Israel's right to exist.

3) Cease all acts of terror against Israel and Israeli citizens as required by previously signed agreements.

Hamas refused, and only after many months were willing to be vague about "honoring" signed agreements, but still refusing to implement them.

This attitude of Hamas, incidentally, is very similar to the attitude that prevailed in the Arab world after the Six-Day War, 1967, at which time the Arab League declared in its gathering in Khartoum, Sudan: No to negotiations with Israel, No to recognition of Israel, and No to peace with Israel.

Until a week before the take over of the Gaza Strip by Hamas and turning it into Hamastan, Israel was willing to maintain relationships with the Hamas based government as both the prime minister and the external/foreign minister announced on many occasions. Yet, Hamas insisted that it will not make any further move.

Note, in its very charter, Hamas calls for the annihilation of the Jewish state of Israel and the Islamization of the entire territory. Its leaders have not ceased pronouncing their goal of eliminating the Jewish state, and have been calling their operatives to continue with their act of "resistance", euphemism for terrorism, and for the "liberation of occupied Palestine", euphemism for the taking over of the entire territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean, including the elimination of the state of Israel of course. And of course, the Qassam rockets during all this time continued to fall on Israeli villages and towns inside sovereign Israeli territory, targeting civilians, and terror units were constantly intercepted in the West Bank.

As a result of Hamas's actions and lack of actions the international community has opted not to assist the its government government, financially and politically. Who in his/her right mind would??

Lawrence
22 June 2007 at 13:16

After reading this item and the subsequent readers' comment. I really do not have much to add, other than question the professional credibility of an intellectual weekly that approves publication of such mendacious, slogan-ridden, crud such as this editorial.

justme77
22 June 2007 at 20:50

Nadav Katz: You go into a bit of detail in trying to deflect responsibility from Israel in the plight of the Palestinians. The problem is you ignore the basis of the problem: Zionists took land that didn't belong to them - land that was already populated by an indigenous people. The Zionist project was flawed in that it ignored the rights of the existing population - the international community (especially the UK and US) failed to protect the rights of the Palestinians by giving in to the pressure of the Zionists. The current problem didn't just begin with the election of Hamas: it goes back to 1948 (and even before). Don't forget all the killings committed by Zionists terror gangs even prior to 48. I suppose you'll say that was "defensive." You can't look at current events without considering the bigger context. Yes, Israel unilaterally pulled out of Gaza - but what did that mean on the ground? - nothing! The IDF simply turned Gaza into a huge prison. They practically wall-off Gaza, control all entrance and exit points with military installments, control the airspace and the sea ports, control what goes in and out of Gaza, and THEN, continue military excursions into the territory, killing more and more civilians in the process. Yeah, the Israeli government is quite righteous.... I don't think so. You can write all you want, but if you ignore the basic facts, it isn't worth very much at all. Work for peace AND JUSTICE, NOT JUST FOR SOME - FOR EVERYONE! WITH JUSTICE COMES PEACE!

Charles Oren
26 June 2007 at 06:24

I wonder if JUSTME77 has ever been to Israel or has read anything other than Arab propaganda. I have read both Arab and Israeli propaganda, have lived here for more than 50 years and have seen the story unfold before my eyes. I came here because people like JUSTME77 wrote on walls “JEW, go to Palestine”. Yes, a hundred years ago there were few Jews in Palestine but not many more Arabs! Who are the indigenous citizens of this country? We Jews, who have lived here since the days of Abraham and have never claimed any other country or Arabs who, in 635 left their country, the Arabian Peninsular, to occupy our country? The modern history of the region begins when Mehemet Ali of Egypt captured Palestine in 1832 and allowed infidels to buy land and build. Various Christian groups came to build churches, missionaries, farms etc. Consuls of England, Austria, Russia, etc provided protection for their citizens. Arabs from neighbouring countries migrated to Palestine attracted by conditions that were far better than in other parts of the Ottoman Empire. Then more Jews came, drained the swamps, and made the desert bloom. This attracted even more Arabs. The League of Nations dismantled the Ottoman Empire after WW1 and returned the lands to their ancient peoples, Iraq for Iraqis. Persia for Persians etc. and Palestine for the Jews. What went wrong? Britain rewarded too many Sheikh’s for their assistance to Britain in WW1 but not Haj el Amin Husseini! He also wanted a country! He led the revolt in the ‘30’s to drive Britain out of Palestine so that he could become the ruler of Palestine and not just a mufti. It was his gang of thugs that committed the crimes in 1929 and ‘30’s like the massacres in Hebron, Tiberias, Safed etc.. The British did not allow Jews to have weapons in those days. In fact, there was an arms embargo on Israel, strictly applied until recently by Britain, US and Europe. I remember the days that the only equipment we had in the army was WW2 junk bought from scrap merchants while the Arabs had unlimited supplies from Russia.

Outis
26 June 2007 at 13:03

Excellent article. The PLO made the historic gamble of proposing to forget about the 80% of Palestine already lost in return for having an independent state on the other 20%, and Palestinians cautiously gave them a chance for a decade; but Israel wasn't even prepared to give them the whole 20%, and spent the decade taking advantage of the Palestinians' quiet to massively expand its colonisation program in the West Bank. Unsurprisingly, the Palestinians eventually woke up to the failure of the PLO's gamble, and voted in a party that, whatever its many other faults, hadn't make the mistake of accepting Israel's "right to exist" (since when do nations have "rights to exist"? did Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia or the USSR have one of those?) in return for nothing but a scattering of isolated cantons (and Gaza definitely falls in that category) cut off from each other and from the world.

I take it all those who think that Palestine belongs by rights to Jewish immigrants because Jews used to rule it 2000 years ago support the right of the Welsh and the Bretons to take back England from those nasty occupying Anglo-Saxons and Normans? Thought not.

Amihai
26 June 2007 at 15:45

Outis, I would only like to touch upon a single matter: The right to exist.

The entire international community, i.e. UN, EU, US, Russia, Arab governments and the Palestinian Presidnecy in addition to Israel, has demanded of the Hamas based government to accept israel's RIGHT to exist.

The demand, please note, is accepting the right of a member state in good standing of the United Nations to exist.

And why demand it of the Hamas based government? Because Hamas in its charter calls clearly for the total annihilation of the Jewish state of Israel. In addition, its operatives and leaders have been pronouncing this goal over and over again. And finally, Hamas has been carried acts of terror and war crimes intended to undermine the strength of Israel to exist.

Why would any country, and in this case Israel, give away territory from which the agressor, Hamas, could use the territory to carry out its declared intention?

I am pleased to report to you that the entire international community understands this logic. I am sorry you don't.

Cybertiger
26 June 2007 at 17:50

Nadav and his ilk,

Do you think Hamas will overcome the State of Israel and push the Jews into the sea using suicide bombers and a few homemade Qassam rockets?

Amihai
26 June 2007 at 18:41

No, Cybertiger, Hamas is not capable to do such things, but what Hamas is capable of doing is becoming the active front troops of Iran on Israel's southern border, not unlike Iran's front troops on Israel's northern border, the Hizballah. We now know of Hizballah's weapons capability and we certaintly know Iran's Hizballah's and Hamas's long term intention - to wipe Israel off the map.

It is possible to do so, Sir/Madam, through the use of nuclear weapons that Iran develops and the delivery systems on both the southern and northern border of Israel.

You see, for you these are all theories and a form of pas-time entertainment. For us Israelis, having experienced at least three full scale wars during which our neighbors set out to annihilate the Jewish state of Israel - 1948, 1967, 1973 - these are not theories.

We have concluded a long time ago: Never Again!

Bialik
27 June 2007 at 03:38

So "US policy... has applied its simplistic neoconservative logic to this most complex of areas." But what's this? "It is no wonder that most Palestinians living there have so enthusiastically greeted the victory of Hamas." Of course, all communities/neighbourhoods/nations living in misery cheer on their sons and daughters who blow themselves up in public places as this is better than the 'alternative of misery'. Is that what passes for a subtle explanation of the causes of violence?

Mike, Manchester
27 June 2007 at 20:49

As often seems to be the case, articles such as this don't let facts get in the way of prejudice, bias and bigotery. There is a lot to go through - but I will just address the opening charge - Gaza a cage. Perhaps readers will be surprised to know that Gaza's southern border also has a high concrete barrier - separating it from Egypt. Israel get's a bad press for wanting to keep out those poor suicide bombers - but it is never mentioned that Egypt (and indeed Jordan) want nothing to do with these people. Why do you think that is? Why has Egypt never done anything to help the people of Gaza - who, after all, were Egyptian not just to 1967, but 1988. Power supplies, water etc came via the Israelis. Trade, when it was feasible came via Israel. Gazans, when times were more peaceful could work in Israel - not Egypt - why? When wounded Gazans last week could not get treatment they went to the - Israeli border, and were admitted and treated. Not so at the southern, Egyptian border. Why do you never read about this. Why is the New Statesman silent on this (we know why the BBC is - Alan Johnson was the most biased journalist there since Orla Guerin).

Israel is far from perfect and makes lots of mistakes - but it is a democracy and those who make those mistakes are called to account. Courts prosecute political wrongdoers and those who are corrupt. Where does this occur in the Arab world. And as for the various bans proposed e.g. on Israeli universities - where lots of Arabs study too - is the world going totally mad. half those killed in the Jerusalem University bombing a few years back were Arabs - where did they come from? Report evrything in a balanced way - please. You will do Palastinians and peace more good by being honest.

justme77
28 June 2007 at 21:10

CHARLES OREN: Sir, you do quite a job a reciting from Joan Peters's "From Time Immemorial," but you should try looking at some at least slightly more objective references (if you can call Peters' book that). If you considered the broad history of the region, you might come to somewhat different conclusions, but I'll guess that you probably don't want to. So, you somehow figure that my comments here would side me with people who wrote "Jews, go to Palestine" on walls: Wow, there goes the same old formula - criticize Israel and you're somehow against Jews. You couldn't be wronger my friend. And the fact that you would make such a suggestion just exposes your bias and narrow viewpoint. See, the whole point here is that people need to look at the bigger picture, not just point the finger at people you don't understand or don't like. A lot of people posting here are so bothered by this article, but don't stop to consider how most Western media does just the opposite: present a heavily biased view of the Middle East that is entirely pro-West and anti-Arab. "The right to exist" is often brought up, but all to often it is a one-sided perspective and fails to consider the right to exist geographically at the cost of an indigenous population. It's all to easy for people to critisize the Palestinians' and blame them for their own plight, but it's much more difficulty to admit to the history that has led them to such dire circumstances. Suicide bombers and the murder of civlians is reprehenible on either side, but recognize that a suicide bomber is a symptom ; what drive's a person to blow themselves up - desperation perhaps? Soldiers, tanks, artillery, gunships, misslies, and jet bombers perhaps? Let's all look at the big picure here.

Outis
29 June 2007 at 00:51

No Palestinian government should recognise Israel's right to exist until and unless Israel recognises Palestine's right to exist. It's ludicrous to see the most powerful state in the region demanding recognition of what, for it, is a purely academic point while denying it to the country whose right to exist it has spent decades violating.

Amihai
29 June 2007 at 14:37

Outis,

Israel has recognized the right of a Palestinian Arab state to exist. This was the basis for the Oslo Accords, this is the basis for the Raodmap to Peace, this has been pronounced by several Israeli prime ministers and external ministers, including from the podium of the United Nations.

Israel's demand is based on the fact that Hamas has rejected the Oslo Accords, has rejected the Roadmap to Peace and has maintained in writing, e.g. its very charter, and verbally its goal: the annihilation of the state of Israel and any trace of Jewish existence between the Jordan and the sea.

So, either you have not known this information, or you have simply been eager to demonize the Jewish state of Israel and its people, and demonization, as we Jews know from our collective experience, is a step that precedes an annihilation.

Is this your hope, Sir/Madam??

pntellus
30 June 2007 at 05:10

To: rlincolna:

Why should a people invaded, conquered and imprisoned be required to “recognize” their conquerors

and jailers? By “recognizing” Israel the Palestinians acknowledge, accept and “recognize” their

embarrassing situation. It is like a mugger asking someone he has mugged to “recognize” him before

he releases you a little - but always remember that I can and will victimize and hurt you again unless you

behave properly towards me which means respect me, acknowledge my superiority, and respect me.

But because of what Israel has done to these people - with America’s and England’s help - it is very

difficult to respect any of you. That is why Israel is the least respected nation in the world according to

a recent survey conducted by TIME in 27 countries around the world. Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t

God chose Israel to be a ‘light and blessing’ unto mankind? Instead Israel has become a “blight and

pestilence” on mankind. Israel always complains that their election by God has imposed upon them a

“burden” - but it is nowhere as great as the “burden” that Israel - along with America and Britain’s help -

has imposed on mankind.

Israel claims that God gave them the Palestinian land and that it is therefore Holy Land and properly

their land. Inotherwords, the message that Israel is sending to the world is that what they have done to

the Palestinians in the past, all the crimes and terrible things to innocent individuals, is justified and

exonerated by God and that God doesn’t expect anything greater of Israel. Perhaps Israel’s God

Jehovah doesn’t expect something higher, but I believe that “mankind’s God” does.

Ergo
02 July 2007 at 20:13

The pro-Israel-at-any-cost remarks made here speak of brain-washing propaganda so deep it is impossible to

penetrate it. No one mentions that Ben Gurion stated at the outset that the small state of Israel was acceptable only because as a state Israelis would have a more legitimate base for expansion, and prominent Israelis have stated that expansionist views. Recently, Olmert reiterated while on a visit to Washington, that Israel had its sights on ALL of

Palestine. Deny that now. The US has long wanted to bring the Middle East under its control and Israel is

part of the game. It is truly astounding that a country so militarily well-equipped as is Israel, that has killed

Palestinians at the rate of 10 to 1at least, has broken every cease-fire with some absurd rationale, controls

the destiny and day-to-day life of Palestinans with

border crossings, 400 miles of 25 ft walls and barbed wire, has withheld tax money illegally, brought Gazans to the point of starvation, refused to recognized the results of a free election and killed and kidnapped its legal representatives - and many other injustices, can still peddle the old line "they don't recognize our existence".

It is tthose who still back such a situation that can truly be called anti-semites.

jed nightingale
03 July 2007 at 22:46

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been stuck for a while. The Palestinians could already have a viable state today but Arafat walked out from the 2000 Camp David Talks because he could not get Barak to agree to "Right of Return" - basically a death dagger to Israel. Sadly enough, the Palestinian leadership have always failed to advance its cause because it cannot or is unwilling to face reality. In 1948 they and the rest of the Arab world went to war against Israel and promised to drive the Jews into the sea. The conflict lead to creation of refugees as so many wars in the past and present have done (take a look at Iraq's refugee problem today - close to 2M). Over the last sixty years, these refugees have been cynically manipulated by the Arab countries that absorbed them without giving them any rights. In contrary, Israel absorbed over 800,000 Jewish refugees from Arab countries (Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt, Yemen, Syryia, Algeira, Morocco, Lybia, etc) and today they lead viable and rewarding lives. Today, we find a democratically elected government in Gaza advocating the destruction of Israel, firing rockets at civilian villages in the Negev and sponsoring suicide bombings. Not sure how one can make peace under such conditions. I guess that this conflict will take time to settle similar to the way Bristain has handled her own internal problems in Northern Ireland. When the Palestinians will come to accept Israel, just as Sadat and King Hussein did, there will be peace. Until then, life is going to be difficult for the Palestinians and Israelis.

Jed Nightingale

NYC

Nonnie
04 July 2007 at 00:57

Eartoground

Do you truly believe what you wrote...I would challenge you to back your inane statemednts with facts...

Each previous wirter stated FACTS NOT PROPAGANDA..

More PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN BUTCHERED BY THEIR OWN PEOPLE than by the Israelis.

Any leader who has taken an iniative towards Peace has paid with his life.

JORDAN has evicted the Palestenians.

The Egyptians do not want them.

Facts not fiction or propaganda.

I was born in Egypt in 1933 and was kicked out in 1956.an unwanted citizen with no right of return all our wordly goods were confiscated. NO COMPENSATION given. Furniture etc.. still there in situ ..

My friends had their Egyptian Nationality which their forefathers had held withdrawn over night and declared Stateless with no where to go, and for no apparent reason except that they were Jewish not Israelis or Zionists... just plain Egyptian JEWS.

We treated as Dhimis with no rights.

The Arab radio urged the Palestinians to LEAVE THEIR HOMES, otherwise they would be treated as enemies of the Arab World who had declared war on Israel's burgeoning State.

Most of the land of what was then Palestine was bought from the landowners to give a homeland to the SURVIVORS of the HOLOCAUST who settled in the mosquito ridden swamps, and hostile terrain removing boulders and tilling it and dying in it....

The so called Palestininan Refugee gets more Dollars in Foreign Aid per capita than any other person in the Middle East. WHERE IS ALL THIS MONEY GOING?

Why is it that the so called refugees are STILL IN CAMPS AFTER MORE THAN 50 YEARS with all the aid that was and still is given?

Why is it that for the short while that GAZA was used by Israeli settlers they managed to build houses and greenhouses and export their products, yet the refugees still live in tents after 50 years?

Why is it that the so called refugees DEMAND THE RIGHT TO GO AND WORK IN ISRAEL if as you say the Israelis kill 10 to 1?

Why is it that when an Israeli prisoner is kidnapped from his own territory THE GENEVA CONVENTION RULES DO NOT APPLY?

I could go on and on but what is the use your obsession blinds you and the hate you have will finally destroy you...

Israel has given to the world more medical achievements, than any other Middle Eastern country.. FACTS not fiction.

ISRAEL has Moslem members in her Kenesset representing the thousands of ARABS who chose to live in harmony in Israel. FACTS not fiction.

There are no JEWS in parliament in any of the Arab States. wehre they are treated as second class citizens because of their RELIGION.

What have the Palestenians given the world apart from hate and suicide bombers...

If mothers do not love their children enough to protect them from harm ... what hope has this nation got... May Allah help you to see the light before it is too late...

curious
04 July 2007 at 14:05

What have really done the palestinians to create their own state.

Their concern till now has been to fight Israel at every possible opportunity, like a mad dog. Hamas has made clear it has no intention of stopping till Israel does not exist anymore.

If some group of people want to create a state they do so. It happened everywhere, so I ask why they do not create their state?

In my opinion they are still waiting for Israel to dissapear first, as otherwise their state creation would implicitly admit Israel existence.

Their misery in Gaza is their own deed. Hamas recently killed many non-Hamas palestinians, and nobody said nothing. Their problems is when a non palestinian kills a palestinian and this is their best patriotic act.

curious
04 July 2007 at 14:11

morover, Alan Johnston realease by Hamas is a fake act. it is their practice to kidnap people in Gaza to get some kind of ransom, which can be political gains as is the case now.

they may have exchanged something with this other group which till now nobody knows who is, and most probably just a branch of Hamas. who knows this is not the case.

the article is totally anti-Israel biased, and not necessarily pro-Palestinian.

Ergo
04 July 2007 at 23:29

To Nonnie: I hate no one and am as much concerned about Israelis as Palestinians - but Israel is on the wrong track.

Are 400 miles of walls cutting off Palestinian communities a fact or not? Did Israel kidnap and kill some of the legal representatives of Hamas who formed the government after a legal and UN monitored election in Jan 2006? Is it a fact that Israel holds 11,000 Palestinans and Lebanese as prisoners, 400 of whom are children while Lebanon and Palestinans hold 3 Israeli soldiers?

Is Lebanon dotted with about 900,000 bomblets from the latest attack against Lebanon, the map for which Israel will not divulge (against international law)?

Public opinion polls consistently show that two-thirds of Israeli Jews support "transfer" of the country's Palestinian population. Is that not ethnic cleansing?

In a report called, Silencing Dissent, a Israeli human rights association based in Nazareth claims that between 2000 and 2002, of 10 Palestinian Knesset members 9 had been assaulted by the security services - some several times and had to be hospitalized.

The impoverished countries Jordan and Egypt have been bought off by Israel and the US. How does that excuse Israeli actions?

Apologizing for Israel, which alone among all nations is a country for Jews everywhere and not just people

in Israel, will only make the situation worse for everyone.

Peace be to you too.

Cybertiger
05 July 2007 at 09:47

Nonnie, 04 July 2007 asks,

"Why is it that when an Israeli prisoner is kidnapped from his own territory THE GENEVA CONVENTION RULES DO NOT APPLY?"

The US ignores the Geneva Conventions. Israel maintains contempt for international law and international convention. In my view, the aggressive enforcement of the double standard represents a boomerang tipped with nuclear weapons.

Post your comment

Please note: you will need to login or register before your comment is displayed on the website

We want to encourage people to comment on our content and to exchange views with other readers and hope this will be done on a courteous basis. However, if you encounter posts which are offensive please let us know by emailing comments@newstatesman.co.uk and we will take swift action where necessary.

Read More

Vote!

Is this the worst economic situation for 60 years?