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Call the bankers' bluff

Vincent Cable

Published 20 February 2009

It's time for a new framework which ensures bonuses are linked to long-term performance, argues Vince Cable. Plus read a City worker on why bankers deserve bonuses

Vince Cable argues that bankers who wave their contracts over bonuses should be invited to sue

The Treasury select committee’s show trial of errant bankers was welcome to many. The former Chairmen and Chief Executives of RBS and HBOS apologised for the part they played in their institutions’ downfall and were roundly condemned by the committee.

It wasn’t entirely clear whether they were apologising for incompetence or greed or both or for the failure of their institutions or themselves. But ‘sorry’ was the word of the day. I must confess that even I suggested (with tongue firmly in cheek) that they were lucky we didn’t have any guillotines in stock. It seems to be the banker hunting season.

But we must not let ourselves get carried away. We are justified, as savers and as taxpayers, in our anger towards these executives. But in the rush to vilify the bank chiefs, the so-called fat cats, we must not forget that ordinary bank employees have fallen victim to their mismanagement too.

Large numbers are now being sacked and without the generous pensions or payoffs to the top brass. Although many staff were involved in commission selling rather than traditional relationship banking, the majority of staff played no part in formulating their bank’s lending policies: they did not manage overleveraged investment portfolios or take disproportionate bonuses.

I have to say, nonetheless, that I disagree with David Cameron and others that all staff should be paid ‘some kind of’ bonus, up to £2000 each. Why? These are banks which failed. The taxpayer is paying. The remaining staff are lucky to be in work having been rescued by the government. The answer should be ‘no bonuses’.

Looking further ahead, my Liberal Democrat colleagues, and I have consistently called for proportionate levels of pay which reward genuine achievement but don’t encourage mindless risk-taking. Previous research by the IMF has shown that bonus arrangements have seriously destabilised banks by leading to excessive risk-taking and we must not now be seen to be rewarding those directly responsible for this failure.

UK Financial Investments, the Treasury’s representative on the board of semi-nationalised banks, has already begun to wield some influence by insisting that bonuses paid at RBS are at the ‘legal minimum’.

This is the maximum that should be conceded. Staff who wave their contracts should be invited to sue. It would be simply unacceptable for banks that have had to rely on taxpayer guarantees and funding to continue to pay such bonuses.

The government must go further and bring all banks into line on pay by creating a new framework which ensures bonuses are linked to long-term performance and payable in shares that are not redeemable within five years.

The bonus issue is an important one but the government, via the UKFI, also has other battles to fight.

They have shown with RBS that they can act and they must now use their influence as major shareholders to restore credit lines from RBS and the Lloyds group to sound businesses to separate out ‘good’ from ‘bad’ loans; to stop abuses like large scale tax avoidance; to restructure the banks to separate out the high risk investment banking operations from the high street utilities; and to prepare for eventual sell-off at a profit for the taxpayer. The bankers have apologised but we still need to sort out the mess they’ve made.

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17 comments from readers

Nilsey105
20 February 2009 at 11:52

All bonus payments in all areas of work should be removed.

If we are all employed to do a fair days work for a fair days pay then why do we need a payment by results system.

Scrap bonus payment systems now and put everyone on a fair,decent living wage.

If you need bonus payments to enhance your salary then (a) your not being paid enough in basic salary, (b) you work longer hours, then you are either breaking the EU working time directive, or you should be paid the overtime rate for the work done and not paid a bonus.

The red herring of creating wealth for the company (in these cases the banks) needs to be highlighted and exposed. People are employed to perform that exact function if they dont succeed they are, in some areas of the financial sector, eg. the bottom performing 5% or so in the hedge fund business, shown the door for under performing.

Roland Baker
20 February 2009 at 12:54

"Although many staff were involved in commission selling rather than traditional relationship banking,.."

As per:

http://www.newstatesman.com/business/2009/02/bonus-pot-firm-...

I have argued that innocent workers in financial services should not be punished for the greed of their bosses.

Sadly though, some bank staff, who were not involved in basic commercial banking administration, were involved in commission MIS-selling. On 6 Oct 2008, Alliance and Leicester, since rescued by Santander, was fined £7 million by the FSA for mis-selling payment protection insurance. Staff involved in this cannot be paid bonuses based on these sales as it would be contrary to public policy to profit from a crime.

The basic muscle flexing of Government should be to raise its stake to 75% in RBS and pass a special resolution to amend the mem and arts so the directors' remuneration report is mandatory. Then Government should use its vote to throw the 2008 report out and demand no bonuses.

They should take 51% of Lloyds TSB/HBOS and make the board apply for their own jobs on new terms with low fixed salaries and no bonuses.

Is the last paragraph a plea for Glass Steagall? If so, it's Vince Cable for PM.

AlfredMarshall
20 February 2009 at 13:53

Instead of coming up with a knee-jerk solution that won't work, Mr Cable should ask himself the following question: what are banks for?

If they are to guard society's savings, all that is now required is a big computer since practically everyone is paid digitally.

If they are to promote economic growth, what is the evidence that banks encourage value creation?

On the basis of what we are now seeing, the answer is none.

So all we really need is a big computer where information about what everyone is paid, what everyone is spending and what everyone is saving can be securely stored. In those circumstances, you could probably abolish cash too.

This means we don't need banks, stock exchanges, pension funds and all the other institutions that make up the financial sector.

Since you can't trust bankers not to nick everything, something which they have proved they are world-class at, the computer's going to have to be state-owned.

So let's get on with it. Shut down the banks.

All of them.

amanfromMars
21 February 2009 at 13:00

Sadly is Vince just rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic.

Part 1

The Banking System is locked in a Terminal Decline because it is a Smoke and Mirrors Operation with no actual Created Wealth of its Own with the Perception of the System being Wealthy and in Charge of Wealth, being merely a Conspiracy to Deceive and Reduce or Elevate [depending on your view] Work and Enterprise to Ubiquitous and Globally Acceptable Paper Currency Levels of Reward. Thus can Paper Currency be easily Printed by Central Banks [which are no more than Private Entities who have seen the Perverse and Obscene Ease of Creating a Fictitious Paper Wealth for the Universal Controlling Power which has everything with a Price on it, and available for nothing more valuable that Fistsful of Dollars/Pounds/Rubles/Francs/whatever.

As we are now all seeing and discussing, and this is the major problem for the Legacy Hosts and Drivers of the Scam nowadays [Clear Information and Breaking News is now instantly available to All once "printed" and Shared Virtually over the Internet], there is no difficulty at all in either writing off trillions, or inventing trillions, but it is all done in a little secret circle/old boys network, if you like, and it has been found Unfit for Future Purpose and Catastrophically Vulnerable to Excessive Abuse, because of the Flawed and Greedy Nature of Man ... with the Power to Print Money for Themselves and tout it as Wealth which then has to Delivered to Others in the Circle to Realise and Release ITs Magical Powers that Control your every wish, for what can you Realistically do today and for how long before you are going to be asked for some specifically printed paper with a monetary value on its face.

"The founder of the Rothschild dynasty, Mayer Amschel Bauer, told the secret of controlling the government of a nation over 200 years ago. He said, "Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation and I care not who makes its laws." Get the picture? "

amanfromMars
21 February 2009 at 13:02

Part2 of 2

Yes, we can see, Thank you.

..... http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/final_warning/hous...

The Emperor has no clothes today as Transparency cuts ITs WAI through the Spin and Dirty Deeds done Dirt Cheap against ...... well, it is the whole of Humanity struggling to Survive on Nothing, in a World of Plenty and thought to be Easily Controlled by Elitist Currency Regulations/Drip Feeds rather than Simple Currency Flows.

And they still haven't learnt their lessons and would conspire to perpetuate the Enslavement and their Artificially Created PreDominance ..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7902350.stm

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." .... Henry Ford

Nations and peoples are starting to understand the banking and monetary system and that does not bode well for those who are running it, should they choose not to change it, so that it helps everyone as freely as it helps them ....... for they will bear the brunt of the collapse and any assault, which I imagine would be guaranteed against them for failure to mend their ways and the System.

Where is their Intelligence and a New Course of Action, whenever IT is so badly Needed and they are so Vulnerably Exposed/Naked and Alone and facing the Ire of a Raging Baying Mob Bent on Understandable Revenge for the Arrogant Ignorance shown, Perpetrating their Plights.

http://baselinescenario.com/2009/02/20/dublin-and-vienna-cal... ..... 21 Feb 09 at 7:43 am

4irw4y
21 February 2009 at 14:47

Normally, States of crysis should have said sorry citizen, we crapped it up with our trusted people, so that’s our fault of the rulers, and you have no any banking debts now, for it’s our problem. Instead of that, they arm the police forces and take more money outta civilian “end user” pockets by the imaginary but real magnification of the cost of habitual and urgent things like bread, grain and tickets to New Zealand.

This excess of printed paper is carried to overseas banks in the countries of so-called developing economy and buy more real stuff.

And that’s the way the rich are becoming more rich. Takes place during the chabge of the most powerful banking generations. Damn, they may produce bastards or affiliate children secretly to let the family tree grow.

They will produce priests and pharaons of the next civilisation (-:

73

Gerry Myer
22 February 2009 at 10:13

For heaven’s sake, Eddie and amanfromMars, don’t snipe at Vince Cable; he’s the only reason for not having a latter-day Guy Fawkes.

However, amanfrom Mars describes well the New Labour ministerial menagerie, the parade of jumped-up jerks who (possibly accurately) take the public for fools with there endless repetition of rehearsed, vacuous, sound-bite phrases. They are all way behind the game, Brown today perceiving at last the self-evident folly of 100% mortgages.

Whilst I do not go quite so far as Eddie in regarding banks as totally superfluous, it is clear that the endemic addictive debt with which our society is enslaved is largely responsible for the present economic impasse. Most people cannot be expected to buy their first home without a mortgage, but, in the absence of truly unforeseeable misfortune, that should be the unique excuse for personal borrowing and was best catered for by mutual building societies. Bank loans are essential for inventive entrepreneurs to set up manufacturing facilities, but I cannot understand why a TV chef should whinge about being denied loans to run his restaurants.

Immediate legislation to introduce a UK version of the Glass-Steagall act is imperative.

amanfromMars
22 February 2009 at 14:28

"For heaven’s sake, Eddie and amanfromMars, don’t snipe at Vince Cable; he’s the only reason for not having a latter-day Guy Fawkes. " .... Gerry Myer 22 February 2009 at 10:13

Gerry,

The System is broken/hacked/cracked exactly as an egg is broken and it cannot be fixed or repaired back to the way it used to be ..... and especially not whenever its Inner Circle workings are known to so many who would milk it for all that it is worth and walk away as if nothing unusual or inequitable has happened. And prolonging the agony not thinking to replace it with creating and distributing credit rather than offering debt and compounding the felony by charging interest on it too, is not an intelligent thing to do.

You may like to consider these few words which HM has in past shared, allegedly ..... "There are powers at work in this country of which we have no knowledge. Do you understand?" However that was then but this is now and once knowledge gaps are filled in, are the deserved remedies easily dispensed with powers at work of which they have no knowledge. And in the Global Internet Village are national boundaries a figment of your Imagination and thus can remedies be exercised wherever they would so choose to be applied/apply themselves

And what of the billions/trillions which have been invented and credited to the System over these past months ...... where are they ? Spirited away again?

And now quantitive easing. Money for nothing and the chicks for free ....... and who decides on who gets what? Anybody who actually knows a good plan whenever it is presented to them or just the same old crowd as before, doing as they did before or scared witless and frightened to do anything novel? Strewth, if they think that things are going to be as they ever once were, they will deserve everything they get.

And re .... "he’s the only reason for not having a latter-day Guy Fawkes."

That is not something to be proud of.

And I trust none of that is ambiguous.

Gerry Myer
22 February 2009 at 17:09

Ambiguous? Well all that is clear to me is that you advocate some ultra-radical solution which I presume totally rejects capitalism, but the detail of your proposed system and how we get there from where we currently find ourselves is unclear. Whilst I have no enthusiasm for capitalism and am appalled by its latest developments, I cannot support its demise until I know exactly what will replace it. I guess that is also Vince Cable’s position.

If we really want to look for radical opportunities at present then how about planning the demise of the private motor car? Today some Labour MP interested only in getting himself re-elected is proposing that taxpayers’ money should be made available as loans for car purchase. The industry he claims to seek to save is doomed anyway in a world that must reduce its per capita energy consumption; the demand for cars will inevitably fall. Even if his proposal is adopted, without advocating protectionism he cannot guarantee that the acquired conveyances would be of British manufacture - just as illogical as reducing VAT so that more imported goods can be bought.

AlfredMarshall
22 February 2009 at 17:54

Most processes that involve bank branches, tellers, clerical and managerial workers etc can be done by a computer. It would be more efficient to have a single computer network for the UK (to start with). Since it would be a monopoly, it would be best for it to be publicly-owned. Its manager would be tasked to increase the efficiency of the computer to cut transaction costs.

The human interaction part of banking would be provided by financial service partnerships (with no capital apart from what they needed to function on a day to day basis) that would compete to provide guidance to customers in return for fees, not interest. At the request of their customers, they would bid for/offer money (in reality digital information) stored in the central computer. It would be programmed to evaluate the risk of each financing/lending proposal on a consistent basis and would instantly tell service providers how much money (digital information) it could provide, at what price and for how long.

The role of government would be to programme the computer about the aggregate amount of risk the computer will accept at any one time (this, in fact, is the interest rate).

There could be different computers with different risk levels programmed in for different regions: the government might want to encourage more consumption and investment in a part of the UK and, therefore, could set a lower risk (interest rate) for borrowers in those areas. The state would then “subsidise” those transactions with its own digitalised income, savings or borrowings.

Having established a computer network for the UK, it could then be connected to systems in France, Germany, the US etc. The IMF’s role would be to define the requisite risk levels in each part of the global computer network. Surpluses (surplus digital information) would be transferred among "national" computers risk rates.

Done properly, this would save at least 5 per cent of UK GDP a year and reduce systemic risks.

amanfromMars
22 February 2009 at 19:08

"Ambiguous? Well all that is clear to me is that you advocate some ultra-radical solution which I presume totally rejects capitalism, but the detail of your proposed system and how we get there from where we currently find ourselves is unclear." ..... Gerry Myer 22 February 2009 at 17:09

Your presumption is totally false, Gerry.

What part of "And prolonging the agony not thinking to replace it with creating and distributing credit rather than offering debt and compounding the felony by charging interest on it too, is not an intelligent thing to do." do you not understand?

amanfromMars
22 February 2009 at 19:45

The Bankers are not interested in supplying currency for the spend which generates Industry and Goods for Purchase with the provision of pretty paper reward which is perceived as being valuable. They are much more interested in Introducing and maintaining the Bondage of Mankind to the Slavery of their Restricting its Supply under their Total Control.

They are the Problem and they know full well what they do ........ but they didn't expect to be found out quite so easily, and now they have a real problem. And to deny it being true would invite a justifiable and perfectly acceptable rage against them and their Slave Machine?

Keep IT Stupidly Simple and it will work better for everyone and not just especially well for a few who would have abused the System for far too long.

Gerry Myer
23 February 2009 at 11:57

The abolition of interest is an Islamic law to which the BoE and the OESI appear to be in process of conversion. However I do struggle to grasp the independence of debt from credit proposed by amanfromMars; to my simple mind anyone who accepts credit thereby owes a debt. But I might be getting addled; it's 50 years since my PhD.

As for Eddie's worship of the Great Computer, is not the NHS experience enough to suggest at least caution? The aim should not be to put every bank clerk out of work but to deal with the scum that have risen to the top.

amanfromMars
23 February 2009 at 13:46

"But I might be getting addled; it's 50 years since my PhD. " .. Gerry Myer 23 February 2009 at 11:57

I trust that wasn't meant as an arrogant intellectual cosh, Gerry.

Credit is only debt if you demand its value back in kind after you have spent it to generate whatever spending money/paper on generates.

The premise is, I suppose, that work/labour will reward one with riches/a pocket or two of flash cash .. whilst others can just sit back and relax and do nothing useful or productive, other than to decide to print and/or distribute to their circle of close friends/business partners/banking colleagues as much quantitively eased funds/electronic credit transfers as they can get away with, with nobody discovering the secret arrangements.

To ask Joe Sixpack to repay credit spent, and on which interest has been charged to, has the dumb schmuck a) not only generating all of the industry which his personal purchase has driven, and which will go straight back into the System to repay what he has been given for the task, but then he is expected to also pay the capital sum again for a second time and with an additional charge of compounding interest, which is all for what, whenever wealth is so easily printed and delivered to all in currency with its trick of being perceived to be valuable.

It is nothing less than loan sharking by the Banking Sector and a quite criminal means of Population Control which had Henry Ford musing on, as well as "a revolution before tomorrow morning" .. the parasites in High Society Low Orders.. "You will find men who want to be carried on the shoulders of others, who think that the world owes them a living. They don't seem to see that we must all lift together and pull together."

Of course, Maggy had them well sussed but was hampered by being to far ahead of the game for her dim-witted infected colleagues .. 'there is

no such thing as society' .. http://briandeer.com/social/thatcher-society.htm

Man is Smarter than before and Sees Spin.

Gerry Myer
23 February 2009 at 15:44

No, here's the cosh: only someone baffled by primary school arithmetic could propose the economics of "unto each according to his appetite".

amanfromMars
23 February 2009 at 20:02

Ok, Gerry, I'll raise you that rubber truncheon blow with a reciprocal handbag swing to the fundamentals.:-)

You are a fan of the Inequity System of Boom and Bust then .... Abject Poverty in a See of Obscene Invented Riches to sit in Accounts really doing nothing other than flufffing Egos and creating Myths? Ok, so be it ... unto each according to his appetite.

And it would be not so much baffled by primary school arithmetic as untroubled and underawed by it.

At the end of the day any more than enough is surely a waste and I'm all for Andrew Carnegie's view ..... "The man who dies rich dies disgraced" ...... but only a fool argues over money whenever it is so easily made, so there'll be no alien argument here.

Walec
25 February 2009 at 08:42

The bankers do need to be careful. In past UK recessions there weren't widely recognised villains. This time the public have the bankers and their enablers -- the politicians and toothless regulators they created -- in their sights. I'm not saying bankers will be chased down Threadneedle Street by a mob and hanged from lamp posts outside St Paul's, but sites like this -- www.total-banker.com -- are starting up all over the internet. People are angry and know who to blame. Once the recession really starts to bite they'll get even angrier.

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