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How to survive the recession

Iain Macwhirter

Published 21 August 2008

The days of easy loans are over and people are having to live within their means. But it is not all bad news. Iain Macwhirter on the lessons for the government, and what you can do

Cheer up! It could be worse. At least estate agents themselves have been the first casualties of the credit crunch. The greatest collapse in the housing market since records began, with home loan approvals down 70 per cent on the year, has turned the high street into a killing field. Up to 15,000 estate agents will lose their jobs this year alone, according to the Centre for Economics and Business Research. It may be the first time in history that estate agents become objects of public sympathy.

Britain, like the United States and continental Europe, is now entering a recession and it won't be a shallow one. As the governor of the Bank of England, Mervyn King, made clear in his latest, exceptionally gloomy forecast, we have come to the end of the "nice" age - defined by "non-inflationary continuous expansion". Encouraged by central banks that kept interest rates too low for too long, the western banking system built a huge tower of debt on the uncertain foundations of inflated real-estate values. As house prices plunge, this edifice is collapsing and the losses will be in the trillions.

Few will shed tears, though, at the impoverishment of the buy-to-let landlords, the other big early losers in the credit crunch. Britain's one million amateur property tycoons are finding they can't let their pokey flats at an economic rent and that the banks refuse to roll over their cheap loans. Thousands face bankruptcy as the value of their properties falls.

The good news is that once the correction has happened, houses will be affordable again. And, as owners dump unsold flats onto the letting market, rents are also likely to fall. And who could resist just a little Schadenfreude at the news that Land-Rover sales are down 32 per cent? We may be seeing the beginning of the end of "Chelsea tractors" - those monsters with smoked-glass windows that clog our streets. Falling bonuses in the City are blamed. Mind you, even in what many are calling the worst financial crisis in 60 years, City firms still managed to increase bonuses this year to a record £13bn. It's an ill wind, all right.

The more public money that goes into the banking system to beat the crunch, the more seems to go out to the private pockets of those responsible for causing it in the first place. The great survivors of the credit crunch are the bosses of the big high-street banks - for instance, Sir Fred Goodwin of the Royal Bank of Scotland - who have had to write off billions in mortgage-related assets and whose company share prices have collapsed, but keep their jobs and fabulous remuneration.

The real casualties are inevitably old people, and low- income families, which have been hit from all sides as housing, transport, heating and food prices take off. But young professionals, too, face difficulty, especially those who threw caution to the wind to get on the "housing ladder". Among these, 1.7 million recent homebuyers will find themselves in negative equity within the year, according to Standard & Poor's. House prices have fallen 11 per cent this year already, the steepest fall ever recorded. If they fall by 35 per cent, as expected, three million could be hit before the market bottoms out around 2010.

These families could be saddled with debilitating debts for at least a decade, for that is the minimum that it will take for house prices to recover. In the US, where house prices peaked in 2005, prices are still falling, despite interest rates being slashed to 2 per cent and hundreds of billions of federal dollars being pumped into the banking system in the form of "liquidity loans". A third of all US homeowners who bought in the past five years are "under water", something that hasn't happened since the Great Depression.

In Britain the slide has only just started. Many are still in denial. Moreover, the first year of the credit crunch has been something of a phoney war. Unemployment is rising, but most people are in work and hope to remain so. However, the economic climate is changing fast, and home repossession orders jumped in the last quarter to levels not seen since 1992.

Of course, there are lots of things you can do to protect yourself from the effects of recession. Simple budgeting, for a start; that £5 lunch every day adds up to £100 a month. Turn down the thermostat and save hundreds more. If you can sell your house, do, and rent instead; it's cheaper than getting a mortgage. Don't take on more debts, and consolidate the ones you have. Cut up credit cards or get an interest-free one. Don't get behind with bills because it will affect your credit rating. Avoid branded goods. In other words, be more prudent. The evidence suggests we can all benefit psychologically from giving up the frenetic shopping culture of the boom years.

Politicians, however, are living in the past, hoping that a miraculous recovery in the housing market will bring back the good times. MPs, like many middle-class, middle-aged people, are largely insulated from the crunch by housing equity, index-linked pensions and other assets. But now that the days of easy credit are over, those under 40 are going to find themselves living in a very different world.

Day of reckoning

The bubble decade destroyed the last vestiges of the secure and predictable postwar society of ordered career paths, jobs for life, final salary pensions and steadily increasing prosperity. Even the Church of England is talking of abandoning its occupational pension scheme. People are having to learn to live with debt and insecurity (though less than half of us are saving for a pension and, according to the Pru, those who do are halving contributions because of the downturn).

People have become used to seeing their homes as pensions and as sources of easy cash through remortgaging. Now that this is being closed off, the day of reckoning is here. We collectively owe £1.4 trillion in Britain and the banks want it back. Britain has one third of all unsecured debt in western Europe, so it is not surprising that personal bankruptcies are increasing ominously. The banks are using ever more ingenious means of relieving us of our funds, from credit cards with 25 per cent interest to unlawful bank charges on overdrafts. Current accounts should bear government health warnings.

So, with easy credit and housing equity lost, people are going to have to learn to live within their means. The problem is that living standards are being eroded as wages and salaries stagnate while inflation rises inexorably towards 5 per cent, even using the government's discredited CPI inflation index. According to the price comparison website mySupermarket.com, the cost of a basket of staple family foods has increased 20 per cent in a year, equivalent to £1,000 to an average family. Politicians warn of hyperinflation if workers do not accept below-inflation pay settlements; but for people on low incomes, hyperinflation is already here. Domestic fuel prices have risen by 19 per cent in a year, and petrol by 25 per cent. British Gas increased prices by 35 per cent last month and others will follow. Water companies have served notice that they, too, will be joining the inflationary spiral.

Yet, only three months ago, the Bank was forecasting steady growth, low inflation and stable prices. One of the difficulties for ordinary people trying to cope with the credit crunch has been the failure of forecasters, private and public, to admit the severity of it. Central banks and financial analysts have been following events rather than forecasting them. We keep being told that "the worst is over" when clearly it is not.

This leads to a kind of fatalism - a feeling that each of us is individually at the mercy of events. We live in a world in which the market has largely replaced politics and collective action. All those institutions of civil society - churches, trades unions, political parties, associations - that once sustained people in adversity have withered, replaced by the solipsism of the internet. Social networking sites offer a semblance of community, but are quickly invaded by commercial interests which, as with eBay, Google and Facebook, rapidly subvert the original social ideal.

What we need is a new generation of post-consumerist initiatives, such as Freecycle and Gumtree, which allow people, by mutual self-help, to bypass the debt cycle. In the past, people looked to the state to protect them from the ravages of the market, but not any more. Where is the left in the worst capitalist crisis in half a century? The government seems to have given up, too. A defeatism about the credit crunch pervades Whitehall, a sense that there is nothing that can be done, apart from trying to use public funds to fix the holes in the financial system. One intellectual casualty of the crisis has been the myth of deregulation. Josef Ackermann, chief executive of Deutsche Bank, said recently: "I no longer believe in the market's self-healing power." Many financiers have echoed his view. This is a paradigm shift, but Labour has failed to keep up. It has been left to bankers such as Sir Ronald Cohen to condemn the greed of what the BBC's business editor, Robert Peston, calls "the new plutocrats". It was the governor of the Bank of England who condemned the "bonus culture" of the City, not a Labour minister.

What about regulation?

Instead, the government agreed, in April, to a £50bn bailout of the banks in exchange for their unsaleable mortgage bonds. The deal was supposed to be that the banks would reduce mortgage rates and free up lending to first-time buyers, but they simply pocketed the money and put rates up even further for people who couldn't put up large deposits. This was a humiliation for the government. At the very least, ministers should have secured something tangible in return for giving the banks privileged access to public funds - restraint on bonuses, perhaps, or help for people about to lose their homes.

The government should also be devising regulations and protocols now to prevent another housing bubble. The government was not blameless. Concessions on home ownership taxes (capital gains and inheritance tax) encouraged people to save in houses instead of pensions. It was the egregious tax concessions to buy-to-let landlords, who can set mortgage interest payments against profits, that led to the building of tens of thousands of tiny city flats unsuitable for families.

Above all, it was the collapse of social housing, through council house sales and the ending of council house-building, that compelled people to take on ever larger mortgages to get a roof over their heads. For many people in insecure and low-paid jobs, mortgages are a seriously bad idea because they lose everything if they can't keep up the payments. They should have had a choice. If the £50bn given to the banks in April had been used to finance council housing, the government could have begun to solve the housing shortage and saved thousands of jobs in the construction industry.

Instead of dithering about stamp duty holidays and tax-free savings accounts for first-time buyers, the government should be addressing the central problem: risk. Bankers lost any sense of it when they began handing out mortgages of 125 per cent and loans on multiples of six times earnings, not to mention self-certificated "liar loans", for which people were encouraged to inflate their incomes so that they could get mortgages they couldn't afford.

In Britain, mortgage borrowers shoulder most of the risk when they take on a mortgage. They can lose all their savings and end up in debt for years. But in America, most home loans are "non-recourse" loans, which means the borrower has limited liability in the event of repossession. If there is any loss in the sale at auction of a repossessed home, it is the bank that takes the hit and the borrower can walk away. This is a simple measure that would make a difference to victims of the credit crunch. The banks would hate it, but it would encourage banks to lend more responsibly.

Beyond that, we need a government prepared to recognise that a stable economy cannot be built on debt. We need a return to productive investment instead of speculation; a savings culture instead of credit; sound money instead of inflation; redistribution of reward instead of socialism for the banks. The great challenges we face, such as climate change, need an economy in which science and technology are deployed to create markets in such areas as renewable energy, conservation, agriculture, information technology and sustainable transport. Wealth is good, but it should be made out of making things, not making debt. The new Labour economy has been built on the dream of unlimited housing wealth, on money for nothing. It is time to wake up to reality.

Iain Macwhirter is chief political commentator for the Herald

Free for all

Six ways to live well on an empty wallet

Entertain yourself

Throw your own parties, reinvent the free rave, start an arts club. Public art galleries are free and so is tracking down every Banksy. Evensong at an Anglican church is as engrossing as an expensive concert and the architecture is usually better.

Couchsurf

With 600,000 members registered, Couchsurfing.com links users with an empty sofa to travellers with an empty wallet. The site aims to "create a better world, one couch at a time". You could end up on a four-poster bed. www.couchsurfing.com

Dumpster-dive

Supermarkets throw out vast amounts of food. The freegan movement advocates rooting through supermarket bins. Beware, though: the legal status of dumpster diving is ambiguous in England and Wales. Why on earth? http://freegan.org.uk

Read and swap

Trade your dog-eared paperbacks on the internet for a new collection of reading - completely free. Rejoin your public library. www.readitswapit. co.uk

Grow your own

This year marks the 100th anniversary of the Allotments Act 1908, which obliged councils to provide land if six "registered parliamentary electors" requested it. Demand is high and waiting lists are long. Meanwhile, there's the windowsill.

Blag it

Keep a straight face and ease your way into any club, gig or festival. The young Che Guevara once posed as a leprosy expert for a Chilean paper, using his cuttings to get free food and motorbike repairs on his South American travels. www.blaggingit.com

Research by Adam Lewitt and Ed Hancox

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28 comments from readers

Nick Gulliford
21 August 2008 at 10:00

Excellent article!

"One of the difficulties for ordinary people trying to cope with the credit crunch has been the failure of forecasters, private and public, to admit the severity of it. Central banks and financial analysts have been following events rather than forecasting them. We keep being told that "the worst is over" when clearly it is not."

The evidence suggests that cohabiting couples break up about 5 times faster than married ones. Has the relatively recent and rapid rise in cohabitation been the main trigger for the crisis?

simonwallace
21 August 2008 at 14:06

Why is a political commentator writing about the economy?

Why lambast the people making forecasts and then put in a bearish forecast about the ten year outlook for house prices? Where is the evidence for this? At the least the people making forecasts have some method of approaching this, not just plucking random numbers that fit a story.

Its also worth noting that many of the people making forecasts in the City banks have been spot on with their forecasts...

If you're so confident that the economy is in for a prolonged period of economic and consumer decline then why not suggest to your readers that the best way to get through this economic downturn is to short (bet that they'll decline) an index of retailer shares.

Finally your definition of hyperinflation is criminally sloppy...

Cybertiger
21 August 2008 at 17:13

“Mind you, even in what many are calling the worst financial crisis in 60 years, City firms still managed to increase bonuses this year to a record £13bn. It's an ill wind, all right.”

It’s an ill wind that has blown too much good to the no good. What good do these City scumbags do? Now we need a hurricane, a good high winds revolution to blow these scum away – and it must not be good and bloodless.

gcarth
21 August 2008 at 17:39

simonwallace says:

"Why is a political commentator writing about the economy? "

I say, why not?

He also says: "Its also worth noting that many of the people making forecasts in the City banks have been spot on with their forecasts..."

I say: So if they were spot on, why didn't they prevent this mess?

I think the article by Iain MacWhirter is an excellent explanation of the damage done by our insane approach to business and financial matters.

writeon
21 August 2008 at 21:42

I think there's a dangerous bias towards optimism ingrained in most economist, bankers and financial journalists. This is understandable, but leads to a lot of faith-based analysis. Thought the Financial Times isn't too bad compared to the rest who are absolutely awful.

I've lost count of the times I've heard or read the term "doom and gloom" being used in relation to a critical or sceptical commentator, who I feel is only been cautious or realistic. It's like kind of intellectual bubble is created that exists side by side with the other bubbles and they feed off each other, expanding and expanding until they suddenly collapse and then everyone's shocked to see that they've been believing in fragile, elaborate and dangerous illusion.

Personally I think there are signs that we are heading for the biggest economic downturn since the Great Depression, and if we get unlucky a terrible, uncontrolled crash on the stock market that could send us back to the thirties with a hell of a wallop!

Now, this is pessimistic view, and I hope it doesn't happen, but over the last thirty years we've created a market that's vastly overvalued, unstable, unregulated, uncontrolable and unfair. In Britain manufacturing industry was sacrificed on the alter of right-wing, monatarist dogma, and fed to the booming financial sector. I think this was a historic mistake for lots of reasons, too many to go into here, and now we are going to pay the price for sawing off the branch we sat on in favour of virtual branch.

simonwallace
22 August 2008 at 09:43

Surely it would be better to have an economic commentator writing about the economy. The danger with having a political commentator writing about the economy is that the piece lacks understanding of what is an extremely complex subject and also lacks balance. Maybe this will be the worst downturn since the Depression but where is the evidence for this? It seems to me that this is a very nice headline but I would prefer to take my forecasts from credible, evidence based sources.

Forecasting beyond a two year time horizon is an extremely difficult thing to do. Gcarth asks why the forecasters couldn't do anything about the current downturn if they were right - well some did and have helped their businesses outperform (and rightly received their bonuses), some weren't listened to and some got it right but were too late to make any changes. Many that got it wrong have now been sacked.

A reason why forecasting is very hard is that human's don't always act rationally. Two years ago I don't think anyone would have correctly forecast the recent war in Georgia however it has had significant consequences for factors such as the price of oil, Russian investment, market confidence etc etc.

I challenge anyone here to predict GDP growth for each of the next five years. You will be very wrong. If you're not then you should be extremely rich!

Nilsey105
22 August 2008 at 09:48

Nick Gulliford

21 August 2008 at 10:00

"Has the relatively recent and rapid rise in cohabitation been the main trigger for the crisis?"

Check the links

http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersComService4/idUSDIS164...

http://www.bloggernews.net/117003

looks like those who cohabit are taking to brunt of the blame. rather simplistic but there you go.

some will do and say anything to avoid the truth.

the fact that the subprime market is virtually now a no go are for financial institutions shows us what?

Red Shift
23 August 2008 at 02:02

Governments should have invested in Institutes of Technology, produced 1st class engineers, made such training available to women. Instead, there is a shortage of maths and physics teacher, a shortage of plumbers due to women's talents not being utilised.

antileft
23 August 2008 at 15:56

"Surely it would be better to have an economic commentator writing about the economy. The danger with having a political commentator writing about the economy is that the piece lacks understanding of what is an extremely complex subject and also lacks balance. Maybe this will be the worst downturn since the Depression but where is the evidence for this? It seems to me that this is a very nice headline but I would prefer to take my forecasts from credible, evidence based sources."

This is exactly what I think every time I read something the economy in the new statesman. If this is going to be "not a shallow depression" then yes, we need some kind of back up or proof. It's no good just writing it as if "well, its obvious isnt it?!" Bad journalism, that's what it is. And quite typical of this publication.

I find this so stupidly left wing its just embarrassing:

"At the very least, ministers should have secured something tangible in return for giving the banks privileged access to public funds - restraint on bonuses, perhaps, or help for people about to lose their homes."

So, you want the government to... Lower the amount of bonuses given, so that the bank will in effect be run by LESS talented people? Is that really an intelligent solution?? And you also want them to "help" (in some unspecified, but surely expensive way) "people about to lose their homes", hence making their business even less viable so that theyll need yet another government bailout in the future?

Tacky journalism. No wonder so many of the usual nodding yes men above are so pleased to have their prejudice confirmed.

Cybertiger
23 August 2008 at 18:25

"So, you want the government to... Lower the amount of bonuses given, so that the bank will in effect be run by LESS talented people? Is that really an intelligent solution??"

The banks are run by greed and certainly not by talent. The bonus will be a very bloody revolution ... and unintelligent, rightwing folk like antileft should be first in line for the chop.

writeon
23 August 2008 at 20:50

I think this 'leftwing' 'rightwing' stuff is becoming increasingly irrelevant, especially in the kind of society we live in, where politics and much else is controlled by a curious mix of rightwing leftists and leftwing rightists.

Personally I think the difference between right and left totalitarians is of minimal importance, I believe the 'enemy' of democracy is totalitarianism.

It's also perfectly possible to have forms of what is effectively 'socialism' that benefit the interests of tiny minority of capitalists, not the 'masses' or society as a whole. In that paragon of free market capitalism, the United States, there are numerous examples of socialism in action; massive government ballouts and enormous subsidies to whole industries to keep them afloat when times get hard, Wallstreet on welfare in effect.

What surprises me is the level of ignorance, lack of basic knowledge, lack of education, lack of sophistication at the very heart of the system. A primative and shocking belief in dogma and ultra-liberal ideology, which is dangerous.

My grandfather who was a real capitalist and who lived to a ripe old age, profitted from the system enormously, but he never believed in it's formal, surface, ideology. He thought it was a joke, and he laughed all the way to the bank.

The corporate state, which is, with modifications, the kind of state we all live in, in most Western countries, has many of the characteristics of 'socialism' simply because it's so obviously the most rational way to organize things. Monopoly capitalism resembles centralised 'socialist' planning in numerous ways, especially its most totalitarian aspects.

What makes our current situation dire is that our political and economic leadership consists for the most parts of a group of people who are members of kind of cult, people who love their prejudices, those who worship a dangerous illusion, the illusion that the market is free, benign, and effective. Just give us more power and eventually the capitalis, free market utopia will emerge, honest, it's just around the corner! It's unfortunatel every bit as dangerous as socialist utopianism responsible for so much suffering.

Douglas Chalmers
24 August 2008 at 08:58

Iain Macwhirter: "The real casualties are inevitably old people, and low- income families..... as housing, transport, heating and food prices take off..... young professionals, too, face difficulty, especially those who threw caution to the wind to get on the "housing ladder"..."

Interesting piece of realism (trust a Scot, uhh) at least until we come to the carelessly written "free for all" junk afterthought.

Spending time at home (not at work - if you still have a job) on the net keeps one's brain alive and informed. It replaces magazines and travel and many other expensive pastimes. Take up blogging to make it worthwhile.

Its not only "professionsals" who are young, though, and learning how to modify a McMansion to accomodate two families or several couples will be the 'in' thing soon, if not already. It was common in the past and can be done again.

More significantly, governments can ensure a cash flow in the community by adequately funding and subsidizing all pensioners, low income families and other social welfare recipients. It works as well as a monetary policy intervention.

antileft
24 August 2008 at 11:23

"The banks are run by greed and certainly not by talent. The bonus will be a very bloody revolution ... and unintelligent, rightwing folk like antileft should be first in line for the chop."

Here we go- the usual moronic cybertiger gibberish, with hints of extremism thrown in. Do something else, idiot-youre not bright enough to post here. Indeed- youre the thickest of the lot on this site- worse even than knave or pencils. Youre as dumb as carl jones is paranoid.

"What surprises me is the level of ignorance, lack of basic knowledge, lack of education, lack of sophistication at the very heart of the system. A primative and shocking belief in dogma and ultra-liberal ideology, which is dangerous."

Oh writeon youre such a bore. You write so much without saying anything at all. You solutions? No idea at all. Try saying what you thick should happen instead of just how bad (relative to something unspecified) everything is.

proudlyleft
24 August 2008 at 11:26

Interesting article. The underplayed line is ofcourse about the age-gap: those under 40, and especially those under 30, are going to be well and truly 'f...d'. And, because given the aging population of the West and the fact that non-white immigrants form a greater percentage of the under-40 population, they are not even going to get the attention that, say, pampered pensioners will be getting from the governments... So, perhaps, if you are under 30 it is time to think again: do you have anything to lose but your chains, especially those chaining you to older generations who had a great time, spent like mad, poluted the world and now expect you to foot the bill?!?

antileft
24 August 2008 at 14:26

Im 27 and I love it. In two years (when the housing market will probably stop shrinking) Im going to have enough money to buy a small house without a mortgage. That's going to be a lot of fun. Maybe you should stop assuming we re all the same? And what does this mean anyway:

"do you have anything to lose but your chains"

Do you have anything to lose by what? Come on- specify what you mean- dont just use exciting words because you think they sound good.

amanfromMars
24 August 2008 at 14:29

"Personally I think there are signs that we are heading for the biggest economic downturn since the Great Depression, and if we get unlucky a terrible, uncontrolled crash on the stock market that could send us back to the thirties with a hell of a wallop! " .... writeon

21 August 2008 at 21:42

That would neither be unlucky nor uncontrolled, writeon, being as it would be/is just markets adjustments with a clearing of dead wood and lifeless brush from the System, which would be any past their sell-by date, sage type oracle sitting around the top table and wasting their time, trying to hang on to their wealth and power by ill conceived means, rather than moving on with novel initiatives which spread their reach into Virtual Controls, for that is where all of the Power and ITs Energy and Currency Controls are going.

Of that they/you/we can all be assured. And it will require of those presently in charge of the chaos [and that may be an oxymoron], should they contemplate being at least being part of the solution rather than a note in history/memory highlighting their leading role in the problem which saw their demise, new heads with new ideas being fed with copious amounts of their obscene wealth to spend on a NeuReal Operating System.

And should they fail to have the Intelligence to do that automatically with Funds "majically" supplied, then the System will be exposed to its vulnerabilities past a critical mass point and will automatically then collapse catastrophically, at an extraordinarily rendered exponential pace. A Veritable Tsunami to sweep away Disorder and Chaos ...... which would hardly be a Disaster but rather more AIdDivine Intervention.

I am always Optimistic and would never presume to imagine that the Present Trustees/Great Games Players are not SMART enough to Fund a Different Future with ITs Different Generation of Players ... from other Gene Pools as theirs has suffered from the Debilitating and Destructive effects of Incestuous InBreeding ....... Madness.

"Oh writeon youre such a bore. You write so much without saying anything at all. You solutions? No idea at all. Try saying what you thick should happen instead of just how bad (relative to something unspecified) everything is." .... antileft 24 August 2008 at 11:23

That is a solution, antileft. New Blood and new Brains with IT leading the Charge with its Control of Communications for AI Beta Management of Perception which Spends/Shares Global Wealth rather than collects it.

And it does not need the Fool to say that it cannot be done whenever the SMARTer Man says that IT Can and the System will Collapse Catastrophically if it is not done So. To so posit would only reveal that you cannot do IT so that IT can Beta Server a Better Operating System ....... but IT and AI Can.

As you may appreciate, something so extreme and radical, even should it be just a Progression in Computer Processing or a Quantum Leap in Human Understanding, does have its trials ......BetaTests

And here IT is BetaTesting the NewStatesman for Fitness of Future Purpose too.

antileft
24 August 2008 at 14:42

Look writeon, youve found a like mind! Someone else who writes endlessly without saying anything at all. You guys should hook up and discuss the weather.

Cybertiger
24 August 2008 at 16:18

That ManFromTheRedPlanet has the answer ....

"New Blood and new Brains ... That is a solution, antileft."

Come the revolution, timmyantileft's blood and (feeble excuse for) brains will be left splattered as neo-graffiti on the back wall of the TokyoStockExchange. Bring it on ...

antileft
24 August 2008 at 16:37

Oh cybertiger, why do you always have to humiliate yourself like this? What revolution? Are you saying that britain is drifting towards communism? Are you saying that fascism is taking over? Are you trying to be funny? Give up, cybertiger. It's time to do something less intellectually challenging.

proudlyleft
24 August 2008 at 19:41

Oh so you are 27, antileft? You sound and think like you were seventeen... or less.

writeon
24 August 2008 at 23:25

'Damage limitation' that's what a hot-shot, young banker said to me yesterday at a party about what the banks were up to. 'Most of them are just hoping that something will turn up, the cavalry coming over the horizon, most think it'll be a massive government handout, because we're just too big and too important to be allowed to go under, 'cause if we go under we drag everybody else down as well.' That's paraphrasing, but basically what he said.

Also he alleged that most banks simply don't know how much they've lost in the US mortgage meltdown, and they are really too scared to find out. He said one big bank had sold everything, just to get rid of it quick, before the bottom falls out, at only 5 cents on the dollar and they were lucky to get that! There total losses were 5 billion dollars. That's just one bank.

Unfortunately we're only at the beginning of the crisis in the US. It isn't just confined to mortgages. The Big Ones on the horizon are; student loans, car loans, and credit card debt. The biggest finacial bubble in history is collapsing. It's a credit bubble that's taken thirty years to inflate, it's the end of an era, a way of life for many people, living and financing one's lifestyle through borrowed money and the massive accumulation of debt.

This 'debt revolution' has been a form of mirage and at the same time, as in most revolutions, incredibly destructive to what lots of people call the 'real economy'. But this is understandable when it became vastly more profitable to 'create' money than create well-paying jobs or produce real things and sell them in the market place.

What troubles me most it that I'm not sure that this current crisis is going to bottom-out and things will re-adjust and then we're back to business as usual. I think we are in deep, structural crisis of primarily Western capitalism. The basic ultra-liberal model is dying, and what will replace it, that's a hard one. The problem with rival capitalist powers is that they have a tendency to go to war with one another and I think that's where we're heading now.

I try not to be pessimistic because I've got a lot more invested in the current system than most people, I have far more to lose, but then this means I'm also protected from the worst, unlike those who risk losing their jobs and their homes and have debts. Only I don't like the idea of sitting on my comfortable island whilst other people through no fault of their own suffer and yet the government is supporting the banks with billions taken from ordinary people's taxes. So profits are privatized, yet losses are socialised, and primative people think that 'socialism' doesn't exist in the United States!

antileft
25 August 2008 at 05:01

"Oh so you are 27, antileft? You sound and think like you were seventeen... or less."

Is that supposed to be an insult, proudlyleft? It's amuzing how your insult is just like the ones we used to use in school. Intelligent people insult by picking apart flawed arguments, hence showing the lack of intelligence of their opponent. For example:

""do you have anything to lose but your chains"

Do you have anything to lose by what? Come on- specify what you mean- dont just use exciting words because you think they sound good."

And your counterargument? "You sound like a baby!" Very mature, proudlyleft. Perhaps you should try answering my question? Here is it again:

Do you have anything to lose by what?

Or were you just trying to be clever?

subho
25 August 2008 at 13:55

carry on left -right left-right and you all stand on the same place in the "comment"

It is the dream on which creditor bank supposed to make super-profit. The dream becomes day-dream because the banker neglect the present economic power of the debtor. Risk manager failed to insure the future.Dream is necessary but with awareness.

Come on , make profit instead of super profit. Enjoy your present by your past, don't spend your future too early. Science and technology lure you with their mighty power and terrific speed.

Learn from Phelps and Bolt--they know the secret of conservation of energy. It is very easy, very simple and that's why we overlook it.

R Subhranshu

chandernagore

rodmc
25 August 2008 at 21:47

Whether it's from an economic or an environmental perspective I do think we need to take a long hard look at the economic model in the UK and indeed in most of the Western World. While the credit bubble may cause some problems, they pale into insignificance when you look at the effects on the environment. Namely the more we are "required" to consume in order to boost growth the more we damage or pollute the environment. So if we don't die from starvation due to the high food prices, we will all die when the sea swamps us due to global warming.

Ok, that's a bit bleak but the reality is we have to change, and change radically in order to avoid economic or environmental disaster. Sadly though that means confronting some of those with too much influence, and they are unlikely to go quietly.

demonax
26 August 2008 at 16:53

Could someone help the Trolls, who have mistakenly arrived here from the Daily Mail, with their appalling spelling?

rodmc
27 August 2008 at 22:41

Writeon, i would be interested to know more about the 5c story... someone will end up cleaning up....

gnuneo
21 October 2008 at 03:39

i note that most of such articles (and btw it is excellent, well done Son-of-Whirter, yet again) focus upon the 'poor' middle classes - what about the under-classes, what about those who slave for the Agencies such as manpower, with no job security, no work-place rights, no possible pensions or paid holidays, and barely scraping the minimum wage in many cases?

yeah, the middle classes are finding themselves in negative equity, but the even poorer will soon find themselves starving, with a Govt that will probably cut the social safety net of benefits - indeed in actuality it already is doing so, with inflation running around 10-20% for those on the lowest incomes, whilst the Govt is barely adding pennies to the minimum benefits.

their misery is far greater, absolute poverty is hovering in the wings.

janczar
30 October 2008 at 23:37

the Great Deleveraging. Succinct, and I usually hate neologisms. Are we just at the beginning, the middle or the end. Just starting I dread...

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