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The great crash of 2008

James Buchan

Published 25 September 2008

The world's financial institutions are gripped by fear, yet policymakers can do nothing. They are ignorant of how banks now work and have to take poacher-turned-gamekeeper Henry Paulson at his word

The crash of 2008

Of all the phantoms conjured from the financial depths in the past ten days, the most ghastly appeared on the dark Wednesday, 17 September, when interest on the short-term obligations of the United States government, the one-month Treasury bill, turned negative and became a penalty. Such terror had overtaken the markets that they were willing to suffer a loss on their money in the hope that, in the deep bosom of the US Treasury, some of it would be kept safe.

Yet the terror of that day was not just to do with loss: money lost, job gone, wife fled, house foreclosed, sailboat beached. It was an elemental panic, such as overran the financial markets on 19 October 1987, the day the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 23 per cent. It was a recognition that the world is not as we have been told and that the conception of value that lies at the root of modern society is, and has always been, a fiction.

In this panic, there is no reality in the sense of actual existence to prices and Lehman Brothers Holdings can be worth $15bn on Monday and nothing at the weekend. The world is held together only by instances of agreement between two or more people. It is an education that everybody should pass through, and my generation has done so twice, in 1987 and 2008. It is as if the gods of financial markets have been reading Hegel, and learnt that "through repetition, that which at the beginning appeared as merely accidental or possible, is confirmed as a reality".

Not that governments are thinking much about Hegel. Like generals fighting their grandfathers' wars, policymakers are haunted by the Depression of the 1930s, where a crash in financial markets was transformed by selfish national policies into a collapse in world trade, and unemployed men walked in droves from Sydney to Melborne, shooting rabbits for food.

Andrew Mellon, the former investment banker who was US treasury secretary at that time, thought to break value down to a sort of puritan or moral core. He is said to have burst out to President Hoover: "Liquidate labour, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate! It will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up from less competent people."

His reincarnation, Henry Paulson (also once a star investment banker), has opted instead for expediency in which pure fear cuts through all moral entanglements. He has won over the administration and some supporters in Congress to his colossal plan to take $700bn or more of bad loans on to the Federal government's books. It is the equivalent of the entire US budget for social security. In promoting his plan, Paulson said: "I am convinced that this bold approach will cost American families far less than the alternative - a continuing series of financial institution failures and frozen credit markets unable to fund economic expansion. The financial security of all Americans . . . depends on our ability to restore our financial institutions to a sound footing."

Ben Bernanke, chairman of the Federal Res erve, was crisper: "There are no atheists in foxholes and no ideologues in financial crises."

In effect, the US public will recapitalise the silly bankers at a cost of perhaps $2,000 per American adult and child, maybe much more, maybe much less. In Britain, the authorities are reluctant to wield what Paulson calls the "bazooka", trying to ensure instead that the banks continue to do business with one another. Banks, under the so-called special liquidity scheme, can shore up their creditworthiness by exchanging their questionable mortgage securities for Treasury bills, securities that carry the faith and credit of the UK, which has never failed.

Already, £100bn has been drawn and nobody knows how much more will be required for both schemes. In truth, bankers have little clue now what they have (assets) or what they owe (liabilities). AIG, the insurance group that all but bankrupted itself insuring bank loans against default, asked the US authorities at the weekend of 13-14 September for $20bn, then for $40bn and finally $85bn.

What are we to make of a banking business that must be recapitalised by the public every generation? That, like the nuclear power industry, holds a gun to the public head two or three times each lifetime? And in the intervening periods treats the public like poor relations?

In all the commentary on the crisis, certain facts have been thought too elementary for consideration, so I shall consider them. The first is this: the business of banking is not profitable (as you have been told) but miserably unprofitable. It is this unprofitability rather than the idiocy or wickedness of bankers that makes the enterprise so unstable. The arrogance of bankers, their extravagant rewards and public philanthropy, are the abstract counterparts of the massive architraves and pediments of the old bank architecture, such as the Barclays Bank headquarters in Norwich. How could they not be safe as houses?

The fundamental business of taking in money and putting it out again earns a wafer-thin interest margin and will only keep bankers in luxury if it is conducted on a colossal scale. Even the most prudent banks borrow ten times their own capital, while investment banks (who do not take deposits from the public) borrow very much more: Lehman Brothers 30 times, and even the respectable Goldman Sachs 22 times. At that extent of what is known in the US as leverage, a small fall in values wipes out the bank's capital, leaving its lenders exposed to loss, and their lenders likewise in a daisy chain of failure. Commercial banks are not well-managed institutions and investment banks (with the exception, it is said, of Goldman Sachs) are not managed, in the industrial sense, at all. An unsupervised trader can wipe out a bank's entire capital, as in 1995 at Baring Brothers, or so terrify management that they reverse his trades at fire-sale prices, as at Société Générale last February.

Even at that level of leverage, profitability is still too low and banks have sought ways to ex pand their lending through various legal and quasi-legal means. (J K Galbraith used to say that as the speculative waters subside, all manner of crimes are revealed to an astonished public view.)

In a regulatory filing, AIG made no secret that some of its credit insurance instruments were designed to help banks evade restrictions on their lending. Another tactic was to combine packets of loans into interest-bearing securities and sell them on to other investors. This allowed banks to replenish their funds and originate more loans, but at the risk of spreading the default far and wide - which is why bad debts in run-down cities in the Midwest affected investors in London, Frankfurt and Tokyo.

Too many banks

The second point follows from that. The banking system is not undercapitalised for the ordinary purposes of trade, as Paulson would have us believe, but overcapitalised to the point of obesity. A brief walk down the high street of a county town reveals that. It was the genius of the short-sellers, or bears, to recognise that there are far too many banks and bankers for the use of the public - and for this insight, like Cassandra, they are hated and shunned. Paulson wants to maintain the banking industry in its bloated condition for fear that an orderly reduction in banking will turn into a rout. We will then be plunged back into the days of the Hoover administration, when 11,000 banks closed their doors for ever and business simply stopped. Yet Paulson's attempt to maintain the banking system at the extent or level of 2005 or 2006 may not be successful.

The reason is that the run on the banks which started at Northern Rock in Newcastle in September 2007 has unfolded at a time of rising, not falling, incomes and profits. The last phase of mortgage lending in the US and UK, and also in countries such as Spain and Ireland, was never likely to be repaid even in golden days. In the ordinary rhythm of trade and business, business activity will eventually contract or already is contracting. As industrial companies fall into loss and individuals lose their jobs, debts of a more solid character than 110 per cent loan-to-value mortgages will fall into arrears. Unable to raise capital in the markets, banks will once more need public support, or will fail. The Paulson "bazooka" and the swap arrangements at the Bank of Eng land may expand to the point when they impair the credit of the nation, expressed in its currency's exchange-rate. And what of poorer or less sophisticated countries who are also unable to borrow? While all eyes have been on London and New York, the Russian stock market has halved. This is the nightmare of the 1930s where the engine of world trade simply peters out.

Yet policymakers are constrained by their ignorance of financial markets, have no ideas of their own, and must take the poacher-turned-gamekeeper Paulson at his word. In Britain, new Labour shed its ancestral scepticism of the City more comprehensively than, say, the reformed German Social Democrats. As the intoxication recedes, Labour must recall in hot flushes its excruciating naivety. Peter Mandelson's "We are intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich" is as embarrassing as Gordon Brown's hero-worship of the US central banker, Alan Greenspan, whose stock has fallen faster than Lehman Brothers common.

Yet if the financial chaos spreads out into the tangible world of job centres and shuttered factories and empty office blocks - a world where men and women, unlike bankers, must live with the consequences of their folly - politicians will demand their pound of flesh. In the US, both presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain are mining a popular hatred of the East Coast money men that goes back deep into the 19th century. They will place restrictions on bank lending and securities underwriting just at the point where there is no lending or underwriting of securities. Bowing to the winds of change, both Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley have abandoned their privileged position as investment banks and submitted to regulation by the Federal Reserve, right there alongside First Farmers & Merchants of South Succotash with its 600 checking accounts.

William McChesney Martin, the Federal Reserve chairman in the 1950s and 1960s, used to say that the job of the central banker is "to take away the punch bowl just as the party gets going". Greenspan, who at two decades at the Federal Reserve accommodated the banks in all they required, conspicuously failed to do so. In these circumstances, there will be a call for returning central banks to political control. Margaret Thatcher always opposed independence of the Bank of England, because it seemed to her an admission of political failure. She also doubted - and even her enemies would not disagree - "whether we had people of the right calibre to run such an institution". These central banks, once returned to political control, will find it hard to resist a little inflation to lighten the burden of public and private debt.

The melancholy aspect of the crisis lies not in the humbling of proud men such as Dick Fuld of Lehman Brothers or Greenspan himself, but in our ignorance. An entire epoch of finance passes in which we lived, but did not understand. Truly, as Hegel said, philosophy comes too late to teach the world how it should be, and Minerva's owl begins her flight into gathering darkness.

James Buchan is the author of "Frozen Desire: an Inquiry into the Meaning of Money" (1997)

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42 comments from readers

Cybertiger
25 September 2008 at 11:52

"We are intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich"

Now the world needs to be intensively cleansed of this filth.

Carl Jones
25 September 2008 at 11:59

The establishment are making killing on this planned criminal scam. Its such a shame that most ordinary people have no idea of whats going on.

J.Jackson
25 September 2008 at 13:02

Over leveraged funds are not some new and unheard of accounting scam. Regulators of these failed institutions are as much to blame.

I say give the $10,000 to each house hold and let them bail out the economy. By paying off household dept or their bills, we have as much chance of this working.

brightsider
25 September 2008 at 13:38

If banks are trying to make big profits out of small margins, they will always be unstable.

Why is no-one talking about remutualisation? TSB, Northern Rock, B+B etc used to be well managed devices run for the benefit of their lenders and borrowers. The few remaining mutuals (Nationwide, the Co-op) remain amongst the few that retain customer confidence. Northern Rock should be remutualised. And as a condition of trashing the competition rules, Gordon Brown should have insisted that at least part of the Lloyds-HBOS business (eg the Halifax and Cheltenham+Gloucester divisions) be spun off as mutual societies, run under old mutual rules. This would give choice on the High Street and help restore confidence.

Douglas Chalmers
25 September 2008 at 18:48

When Australian banks wrote down the values of their US markets exposure to zero some weeks back, everyone thought that they were just being rude - but it was exactly correct after all as recent events have shown.

Stock markets loathe uncertainty but by their own actions they continually create it as a kind of monster to frighten themselves with again and again. This is actually a psychological dysfunction which is utterly ignored by using the constant flow of trading profits to justify its continuance.

In reality, the people who perpetrate such conditions should be admitted to psychiatric care but instead they are lauded just as the Caesars and the like are lauded for their invasions of other peoples' countries as long as the empire is producing wealth for those who shout the loudest.

In itself, short selling was a means of creating and manipulating uncertainty as a kind of opportunistic infection. Once it and asset price inflation from growing superannuation funds got out of control, the inevitable happened and the patient was about to die - thus killing the goose which laid the golden egg.

Strange how a disease can take over the body (corporate) by invading all the systems or by invading one system and creating chaos in the other systems of the body. Thus the ignorant who run the world's financial and business markest have usurped the reason for their existence just as many in the health care industry who continuously feed off other peoples' sickness and misfortune.

Thus the fear of uncertainty creates the certainty of failure. But in fact, they have lived through the preceding years knowing that the only certainty is the inevitable results of their actions which they now have before them. That then is the worst kind of denial and is a true psychological disease. So sad that it still permeates societies after the last couple of thousand years of empires stupidly rising and falling.

What is worse is that many are still unable to clearly imagine an alternative as they have become so accustomed to their hypocrisy that they imagine it as truth. Thus their reality is merely a delusional state. They have then inflicted this upon the rest of the world and called it "normal". Now, at last, some are seeing that hard work and investment are the reality and unrestricted speculation is theft and fraud.

Having gotten used to the smell in the pigsty, can we ever hope to rise above it and lead a more progressive life? Can we ever imagine a future of advancement and accomplishment beyond our dreams or will we endlessly recreate cycles of disaster to occupy our egos and to wear ourselves out with at our current basic materialistic level of existence? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=old6xeBVIfw

Much can always be learned from Confucius. Oil (temporarily) and gold have risen again but not our stocks in our own very human existence, uhh.

writeon
25 September 2008 at 20:19

New lamps for old! New lamps for old! It's probably a good idea to be wary when a silver-tongued stranger wanders by your door with such an incredible offer.

Basically Capitalism as we've known it for the last thirty to forty years, is bust, caput, finished with. The model has proven to be unworkable.

Is a total collapse really worse for most ordinary people than a desparate and futile attempt to put a patch on the gaping slash below the waterline in the side of the Titantic? Giving countless billions to the same criminal and incompetent capitalist lords who blithely sailed us into the path of the iceberg, isn't my idea of a sensible reaction to the current crisis.

The lords of capitalism know that a financial collapse similar to the 1930's would pull away the gawdy veil that obscures the realities of the 'free market' and have consequences, political consequences. People would demand real and substantial changes, and new people at the top. This is what they are really afraid of. The idea that the people will see them for what they really are, greedy and stupid, short'sighted, criminal clans, who need to be cut out along with the rest of the dead wood.

They only subscribe to the idea of creative destruction when it applies to the rest of us. When it's our jobs and lives that are being destroyed. Freedom in a class society is a myth, and device designed to control the way we think. Freedom for the elite to exploit and profit from a system designed to protect their vast wealth and collosal priviliges.

A collapse of the system threatens them more than it threatens the rest of us, they have far more to lose, and they know it, which is why turds like prince Bush look so scared and furtive.

Bush and his henchmen want to impose a new form of fuedalism on us, making the peasants pay for the eccesses of the aristocracy. It's not enough that we die for them in their wars, now they want us to pay as well! Maybe this time they've gorged themselves beyond saving, and the peasants will soon be heading for their castles with torches and pitchforks.

Tzfati
25 September 2008 at 21:26

BSD

Is it or is it not interesting the following:

Paulson's three immediate predecessors as CEO of Goldman Sachs — Jon Corzine, Stephen Friedman, and Robert Rubin — each left the company to serve in government: Corzine as a U.S. Senator (later Governor of New Jersey), Friedman as chairman of the National Economic Council (later chairman of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board), and Rubin as both chairman of the NEC and later Treasury Secretary under President Bill Clinton.

Paulson's personal wealth is listed at some $700milion. I wonder, how do these men sleep at night? Quite well, when they are so far removed from what it is like to feed a family on less than $30k a year, when one has been out of work for some time, had a catastrophic disease (which your insurance company eventually stops paying the bills or drops you and gets away with it) or lost your job with no chance of ever recovering from the years of credit card debts, etc. Wake up Citizens of the World, we are indeed headed, G-d forbid to a new feudalism where there will be no turning it ever around! No accident 911 involved buildings that housed major financial institutions. First "They" put the fear into "You" about terrorism and then they chip away at your personal freedoms but everyone's bank accounts!! Get out the old shovel and bury your cash in the back yard! That is if you still own one!

vera
26 September 2008 at 04:02

Paulson's personal wealth is listed at some $700milion.Tzfati to a rich Asian like Agha Khan, of fifty years ago or the present rulers of the Emirates this is small change. McCartney, his peace Gig in Israel, was brilliant , is often accused of being filthy rich, but he earned his money and his personal wealth is but a fraction of his total GDPsince leaving Speke, which mostly went to others.

Buys us a new Ferrari Paul!

JL
26 September 2008 at 18:25

How about a huge dose of Christianity and Socialism to clear out the Augean stables - a necessary purge of our grasping materialist society?

Gideon Polya
26 September 2008 at 22:40

Excellent and informative article.

The credit squeeze can be overcome by the US Government without giving $1 trillion of taxpayers' money to "crooks", "shuysters" and "banksters" to cover their "toxic loan" liabilities e.g. (a) by Government directly lending to Main Street and Business and (2) by Government investing in QUALITY mortgages - this indeed is the approach of the Australian Government which has just announced a $4 billion investment in QUALITY mortgages to assist competition between non-Bank lenders and Banks in the current credit crisis.

We have had this "trust me" Bush scaremongering before - post-9-11, and the consequences have been 9-11 million excess deaths associated with the Bush Wars (7-9 million excess associated with the Iraq War and Afghanistan War) (see "9-11 Excuse for US Global Genocide. The real 9-11 atrocity: 9-11 Million Dead in Bush Wars: http://mwcnews.net/content/view/25184/42/ ) and a $3 trillion accrual cost of the Iraq war alone that according to US Economics Nobel Laureate Professor Joseph Stiglitz has "bankrupted" America (see "Award winning economist says America has bankrupted itself with the Iraq war ": http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2007/s2236161.htm).

Ben Tanosborn (MWC News) comments: "If legislators are scared into believing that we have a do or die situation, that Wall Street (its financial sector) cannot be allowed to collapse, may God save us from their idiocy. If Main Street needs credit to keep the economy going, one does not need to be a genius, or much of an innovator, to know that a parallel banking system for passing on funds to the non-toxic, smaller banks can be created in a short time." Further, about 200 top US economists - including several Nobel Prize winners - have slammed the Bush-Paulson Bailout Plan over fairness, ambiguity and long-term consequences (for further details see "Bush's Gold Currency: Fear. American economic terrorism: love it or leave it!":

http://mwcnews.net/content/view/25478/42/ ).

physiocrat
26 September 2008 at 23:46

People will always seek to obtain the maximum return for least effort. If perverse incentives are built into the system, then perverse consequences will ensue. To blame the disaster on greed is to beg important questions. Greed could in other circumstances lead to positive and beneficial outcomes.

The boom that led up to this crash was caused by lending money to pay for land purchase. It was predictable and predicted by Fred Harrison, who also predicted the 1992 crash. Things will get a lot worse before they reach the bottom in 2010. The preventative is land value taxation, an ad valorem tax on the rental value of all sites, ignoring buildings and improvements, which, if levied correctly and at a substantial rate, makes pointless and self-defeating to engage in the land value game.

At the root of the problem is the dire state of economic theory, which ingores the key role of land in the economy. Without this understanding, neither politicians, nor their advisers, nor bankers, nor businessmaen, have a clue what is going on.

There is further information on this subject on http://www.landvaluetax.org

Carl Jones
27 September 2008 at 12:35

J Jackson, the Dotcom bubble had burst and the US was going through a correction under Clinton. Bush and NWO necon chums had big geopolitical adventures to go on, so USA plc needed to look in good shape. So when Greenspan cut US rates to almost nothing....I really did wince! Then Bush gave away a huge tax cut and I nearly choked on my wine.LOL

The Fed were printing money at an alarming rate, they stopped publishing the M3 number, but contiuned to do the calculation. Important legislation was repeeled and new markets and products were unregulated.

In 1929 total US debt of 266% of GDP, todays its way over 300% of GDP!!! In order to pay just the INTEREST on US debt, the US requires an inward flow of over $3 billion every day of the week. Steven Roach of Morgan Stanley said this is unsustainable in the long term. BTW, this $3 billion represents 90% of global savings. Now many first world countries, but not all, are willing to waste your money to keep the NWO agenda moving forward. Oil producers in the Middle East have little option, but to buy US paper. China`s growth has been largely fueled by US demand, so they hold a lot of US paper. However, outside these groups, many countries don`t want to hold US paper, but they are forced to under threat of economic ruination. Several bankers that I`ve talked to agree there is a lot of coercion going on.

The establishment has left door open, thrown petrol on the fire and kept the printing presses rolling....the banks filled the void by lending to anyone and creating unregulated products.

You might want to just blame the banks and things just developed into the current mess. I however believe the current construct was planned. I used to post on the BBC Radio 4 message board and I was warning about this crash since early years of this decade and I wasn`t just warning about an economic down turn, I was saying the worst since 1929. A year ago I was slating NS writers for not telling the truth about what was to come and I just laugh when I hear BBC journos saying "we never expected this"...LOL, LOL!

The fun has only just begun!LOL

subho
27 September 2008 at 17:50

It shows pathetic sensation of virtual financial system. Hedging, arbitrage, speculation etc. are the stimulants. Brokerage, insurance, investment, derivatives, mortgage etc build the virtual body. Banks. Insurance and other companies like the sensation and play the risky game. The resultant are shocking and it is inevitable. Because instead of the normal circuit M--C--M (Money--merchant Capital--Money) the game is short-circuited through M--M (Money--Money) to earn super-profit.

It is a pity the so-called investment-guru advised Indian economy so much but they didn't follow it `!

You said they are ignorant ? Their balance sheets are not transparent at all. Unless how banks have debt to the tune of almost 50 times of equity ? Please revise their text and reform their theory of risk management. .

. It's a tip of iceberg. Capitalistic economy now wants to save the situation as well as investment of other statesman of USA. through such semi-nationalization. Where is market economy ?

It's really sensational.

writeon
27 September 2008 at 20:40

Giving Hank Paulson virtual dictatorial powers over the US financial system is a sign of how desparate the situation really is, and 700 billion is just the beginning, the true figure may be closer to 4 or 5 thousand billion!

Concentrating such power in the hands of one man, creating a true financial czar, a man dedicated to the primarcy of Wallstreet, shows even to the most obtuse where real power is situated in the United States. All this chatter about democracy and the will of the people, is just that cheap chatter, which has virtually no connection to reality and where power resides in our society. It certainly isn't with the voters. Power resides with the people who control capital and thereby the political system.

A 'collapse' of the financial system and a subsequent 'depression' would show the financial aristocracy up for what they really are, incompetent and overpaid parasites, comparable to the French aristocracy prior to the French Revolution.

The 'bailout' is designed to hinder the 'peasants' from realiziing how much they've been duped and how they are going to be sacrificed to maintain the 'class-rule' of corrupt elite.

Douglas Chalmers
28 September 2008 at 08:50

The Great Depression 1928 or 2008 - then and now..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEJR48F9cWw&feature=related

Cybertiger
28 September 2008 at 09:08

"A 'collapse' of the financial system and a subsequent 'depression' would show the financial aristocracy up for what they really are, incompetent and overpaid parasites ..."

The American people will have their pound of flesh. The fat aristocats must be sent to 'Camp Justice' at Gitmo: it is there that the will of the people will be exacted.

Camus
28 September 2008 at 09:14

Take a look at this to get an understanding of the extent of the damage!

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v30/n18/mack01_.html

Camus
28 September 2008 at 09:17

It is a fallacy to state that capitalism is finished. On the contrary, from the viewpoint of the neo-liberals, it's just starting. How many made millions of $ out of last week's panic? The name of the game is to amass wealth. Some win, some lose but the game goes on. We don't stand a chance.

Carl Jones
28 September 2008 at 14:59

writeon; the banksters created the Thrird Reich. Bush`s gandfather was a major player. Some of us (inc me) have said, the current US administration with Bush at the helm was the Fourth Reich.

This bailout of $700/740 billion is just the tip of the iceberg, its likely to end up costing $5 trillion! Some are claiming the Fed had withdrawn a massive amount of money from the banking system in order to create this crisis. I have no doubt that Bush`s private intelligence organization (started by his father while at the CIA) will be applying a lot of presure, by using "smut files".

A deal will go through, call it Socialism, or Fascism, after nearly eight years, the mask has been removed. Will there be a US election?

Camus, capitalism doesn`t exist. Of all the large free market econmies, Britain is second, yet there is NO social mobility...there are cartels in white goods, supermarkets, evergy providers, car prices and land is carefully controlled by the few so house prices generally remain high. The big banks also run their own cartel, its really "insider dealing", its called the PPT (plunge protection team), you should google it. There is no such thing as a free market. We live in a communist system with incentives. In the US, people are brainwash with the idea of the American dream, but most Americans are angry and bitter, but you`ll never see this reported by the MSM. In Britain, many, if not most, can only see a significant life change happening, if they win the lottery....its all very sad and as you say "we don`t stand a chance".

fairplay
29 September 2008 at 07:21

but the MSM have a lot to answer for. the owners of the news as we see it are all feeding from the trough too. they are also the ones who have been selling the "bling" lifestyle for years.

and they will sell the bailouts to the public too, knowingly protecting their investments as they always do.

when the time comes to bring the perps of this disaster to book (if it ever comes) i would love to see the likes of murdoch and his ilk on the stand

Carl Jones
29 September 2008 at 10:00

A must watch short video.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=132455

Its not a bail out, its a half way patch which s designed to fail and if the public is out of pocket after 5 years, the government will chase the banks which are liable................assuming they are still in business!LOL

01-04-09

Breaking news......the government has announced a home owner rescue plan....thats right, your home won`t be repossessed, the governemt will buy your mortgage debt until you are in a position to take it back!!LOL

Camus
29 September 2008 at 19:26

Good tag, Carl. My point is that capitalism cannot lose, it goes on producing new forms of money-making schemes that the government can help out with if things go wrong. Take off-shore lease-backs. A town sells its entire water and sewage system to an offshore fund (owned by Soros or Buffet probably) and then leases back for $xx million per year, pays all the up-keep and cannot challenge any part of the contract. Who wins? Take a look at the following report from the London Review of Books - Cityphilia by John Lanchester to get a perceptive account of what's up ahead for the stupid nits who don't earn enough to invest in Soros or Buffet's private capitalist havens.

Carl Jones
29 September 2008 at 20:01

President Kennedy was assassinated because he wanted to return the US to the silver Dollar standard. Paper money would only be printed if the silver/gold was in the bank. The elite banks didn`t like this idea. These are the same banks who owns and controls the US Federal reserve and the Bank of England....I know we are supposed to believe the BoE was nationalised in 1946.LOL

The fractional reserve banking system creates money based on debt, get a loan and the economy grows. In an earlier comment, I said I winced when Greenspan cut US rates to 1%. Anyway, the bailout wasn`t passed and I`m supprised. Buy its really of no consequence, all the bailout would do is delay the pain.

Its coming, mass unemployment and hyperinflation, products and food could start to become short like in Zimbabwe, not as bad, but still very bad. We already live by the "just in time" supply systems, it won`t take much, one company here, another there.LOL

writeon
29 September 2008 at 21:47

I was chatting, over tea and fresh-baked blueberry muffins, to a couple of professors. Both of them teach economics at different universities. They both believed the current Anglo/US model of capitalism - the one that's been around for the last thirty odd years, based on the ideas of the Chicago boys and imposed to various degrees on most of the world - is over, smashed into a thousand peices by its own excesses and inner contradictions.

The important question they couldn't agree on is what kind of model will replace it and what the consequences will be for the West. Will there be an economic and social collapse comparable to the fall of Soviet Communism, dragging the entire world into a long and deep recession, or will the crash-landing be of managable proportions?

fairplay
29 September 2008 at 22:01

i see trouble on the streets, thats for sure. may be the reason the yanks have had troops return home recently. whatever happens, the bailout would only have been a short term fix. this is going to get scary, very scary.

where is antileft when you need him to give his words of wisdom?

Carl Jones
29 September 2008 at 22:24

writeon: you might remember some of my posts from our days on the BBC Radio 4 message board.....you know, many years ago when I was posting about this crash. On a few occasions I posed this question. "The White (generalisation) Western elite has dominated global events for the last 300/400 years, do you believe they will give up this power to China and Asia over the next 20 years".......now, before you answer, you have a simple choise, yes or no. I have asked this question to 100`s of professinal people and not one has answered "yes, they will give up their power".

This crash is really just the start. The sham war on terror and Iraq was just the warm up. Coming soon to a screen near you will be more war and a likely human cull which will see Asia and Africa wasted. You might remember these comments from my posts on the BBC Radio 4 message boards. The US has built up the largest military force in the Middle East/Gulf (separate from Iraq/ Afghanistan) since the 2nd WW, this force has been on station for 2 years, there are clashes between US and Pakistani forces, the US/israel/UK assisted Georgia in its illegal invasion of South Ossetia. The NS censored my posts to Mr Milibands last article. Miliband is a very dangerous man!!

There is planning and method in their madness. The last great depression in 1929ish was followed by a NWO organised World War an decade later. This time scale does not need to be followed, some say their will be direct military action between the US and Russia within 2 years. MI6 have demonstrated its determination to wreck the Russian political system and take control of Russian energy, BY ANY MEANS. We have just started chapter two of "Global Domination" by the NWO.LOL

Everyone should remember that value is subjective, total power is not.

Pencils
30 September 2008 at 00:54

"Coming soon to a screen near you will be more war and a likely human cull which will see Asia and Africa wasted. "

yes - I think that's why the ruling classes seem unconcerned about global warming. they think it will self-correct by starving to death (wth a little help) India, China and Africa. I doubt there will be any need to waste them with nukes.

So there's still some backbone in the Congress! They'll soon stamp that one out!

George Mitrovich
30 September 2008 at 06:03

Why should anyone be surprised by the fall of our financial markets? It is the logical consequence of greed and moral rot.

The idea that politicians on either side of the Atlantic, so dependent upon the favor of the wealthy, would stop such excesses before it was too late, was foolhardy.

While the greatest blame for the economic black hole into which the world has collapsed lies clearly with the United States, the hands of our allies abroad, not least in the UK, are not unclean. But the moral rot of Wall Street exceeds that of all others.

While much has been said about all of this, we are now faced with the truly frightening reality that no one, neither at the White House or in Congress, neither at Number 10 or in the House of Commons, neither at the Harvard Business School or at the London School of Economics, knows what comes next.

This crisis is not over. It’s not even close to being over.

George Mitrovich

San Diego

fairplay
30 September 2008 at 08:26

mad max here we come then!

writeon
30 September 2008 at 08:29

Carl Jones,

I understand your question, at least I think I do!

There are those who mean that the powerful never give up their power voluntarily, only when they are forced to by competing forces in society.

This is true in a way, yet it's also an oversimplification.

There are of course different forms of power, but I think we are talking about economic/political/military power, which the West has had for around the last 400 years and dominated the world. I don't want to get into the complex question of cultural power for the moment. Let's just say that it's been the Western model that's defined what it means to be 'civilized' 'developed' and moving forward in tune with 'progress' in almost every field.

Will the West give up its power and leadership of the world voluntarily? One could argue that it has done so already, only most people don't realize it!

China is now the 'workshop of the world' and it is a rising power, only it's learnt from Germany's historic fate in relation to the British Empire that openly challanging the international order can have terrible consequences - war. China, at least for the present, seems to favour a 'peaceful rise', and doens't want to get into an 'imperial struggle' with the United States for the next few decades, because whilst the US is economically far weaker and terribly indebted, it still has a vastly superior military capability.

Conflict between the rising and declining great powers is not inevitable, we are not fated to go to war.

The British virtually destroyed themselves in their conflicts with Germany over the future of Europe, the US doesn't have to make the same mistakes, yet one fears they will, especially as the 'Churchill Cult' is so powerful on the American right.

If one examines the latest 2008 military strategy programme presented by the US military, they appear to see nothing ahead but endless warfare in the struggle to control the world's raw materials and markets. The growth of population in the developing nations is seen as a 'national security threat', more mouths fighting over a shrinking cake. None of this bodes well for the future.

If one studies the history of empires and revolutions the powerful who rule have rarely, if ever, been totally monolithic. The 'ruling class' was split into factions. There were those 'liberals' who advocated relaxing and sharing power, reformists who were afraid that clinging to power at all costs would eventually lead to them losing it all in a revolution.

I suppose it may boil down to, again a simplification, whether one is prepared to 'flow' with the tide of history, or attempt at any cost, to swim against it, with potentially dire consequences.

In the US, for decades, the most brutal faction of the ruling elite has pursued policies that have led the country towards disaster. They've wasted over 50% of the state's budget on a massive military imperial adventure that's virtually bankrupted the country. Instead of 'reform' and turning the country into Sweden, they chose the route of empire and 'class warfare'. The establishment of a financial aristocracy and the gradual impoverishment of the rest. It's this social and economic model which is collapsing today. What the consequences will be is anybody's guess.

Carl Jones
30 September 2008 at 21:36

writeon

I disagree with paragraph 5. Who controls the UN, WB and IMF? Oil is still purchased in Dollars and this is done in only London and Wall St..

"China`s peacefull rise", the NWO won`t allow it and you quote the British and US empires as examples. There are no historical references to a peaceful superpower rise.

"War between the West and China is not inevitable. I would agree upto a point. We are now globalised, weapons are much more powerful and weather/natural event control has been deployed. Most should recognise this. However, if you don`t, the sham war on terror is an excellent example of conflict creation, solution.

"The British were vertually destroyed in conflicts with Germany over the future of Europe". Germany os still an occupied state and is TOTALLY enslaved to the NWO (please don`t ask foe a NWO definition, or I`ll be CENSORED). The 2nd WW led to the creation of the EU through the Bilderberg group and the Treaty of Rome. The NWO are MASTERS of the art of sacrifice....Pearl Harbor and 9/11 stand out, but there are many others. The NWO are sacrificing the value in financial markets to conolidate their power. I can asure you that the nerds in Peking are working 18 hour days to give the Mandarin`s geopolitical direction on NWO objectives.

Paragrapgh 9 in correct.

"Totally monolithic"....in a historical context, this is correct. Today though, we are globalised. The NWO empire is led by Britain and MI6....I know, please don`t laff, I`m being serious. This empire comprises of Europe, USA, the Common Wealth, South America, most of Africa, parts of Asia, the Middle East and Japan. Once Gorby broke up the Eastern Bloc, which was a NWO control mechanism, the West created the sham war on terror and focused its hate on a bunch of minor fring states....of course, Pakistan and Iran are on the horizon. Its not monolithic, but it will be soon, because the NWO is cntrolled by demented people who are willing to use NUKES in a first strike.

The great powers have never flowed with the tide of history and those who did were enslaved.....you have already outlined US policy of war, war and more war.

Bush has maintained a straight (LOL) and serious face on this financial construct. However, today he did break into a "smirk"....just like the one he gave after he`d said sorry about the mistakes in Iraq.LOL

I don`t claim to know all the neuances of NWO policy. But consider this. There are about 3500 academics/retired diplomates in the CFR, Britain has Chatham House, verious SIS services, the Bilderberg Group, the Tavistock institute which is hotwired into elite education. There are thousends of young Muslims in Britain who are being groomed by MI5. There has been STAGGERING SIS recruitement in British , US and European universities...who in Western governments has not been recruited?

The idea that major and small events aren`t planned years....decades in advance is laughable. This crash, this stone will hit several NWO targets. If things wre really out of control, then we would already be at war, or some bio-genetic weapon would have been deployed....this is to come, its our future. Cynical and bleak, but I have believed these things for seven plus years and I`ve not seen anything to change my mind, in fact, much has come true.

writeon
01 October 2008 at 07:16

Carl,

I'm very sceptical that the ruling elite have the ability to plan anything, big or small, let alone for years in advance. I'd like to think they had these close to superhuman talents, that would almost be comforting. I can live with cynics, it's fools that annoy me.

Carl Jones
01 October 2008 at 09:50

writeon, I would expect better from you. Bush has just said "this avoidable crisis"....it was avoidable in 2001.lol

I do find comfort that it has all been planned. I don`t really care if THEY nuke Iran or use a bio-genetic weapon to depopulate our planet. But unlike you, I will not walk by on the other side, relying on the silly idea that stuff just happens and ---- hits the fan. It is clear that for one reason or another, you aren`t able to step upto the next level.

writeon
01 October 2008 at 12:48

Carl Jones,

I'm sorry about not being 'able to step upto the next level', that's sounds a bit 'Freemason/cultish', but I suppose I can learn to live with my inadequacies.

I imagine, for one reason or another, I just can't accept that the oligarchy are competent enough to plan anything so complex and see it through. Though I imagine this could be interpreted as part of their masterplan, concealing their true ideas and strategy behind the mask of stupidity and ignorance.

Carl Jones
01 October 2008 at 15:32

writeon, I didn`t put a lable on you, plenty of people chose ignorance and their are many in the political system. It tales balls to question those above you, or leave your laptop in a pub/train.lol

State secrets aren`t about protecting the nation from invaders, its about keeping the subjects in the dark. The last paragraph in Jame`s article is just pure tripe. As I`ve said before, I winced when Greenspan cut US rates to 1%.......I choked on my wine when Bush announced huge tax cuts....I`m nothing special, just an average guy, in fact I was talking to another guy today, does a regular job and you know what, he know more about whats going on in the markets, than half the people who directly work in City finance.LOL

I suggest that fellow readers go to the Propagandamatrix site, go into the fourm and enter the Immigration and Globalization section and read my thread called "In a State of Denial"....I started this thread August 2007.LOL

writeon
02 October 2008 at 06:40

Perhaps the title of the above article should read; 'The Great Cash Grab of 2008!

fairplay
02 October 2008 at 09:54

writeon

can you explain why bilderberg meetings arent covered by the press then? every other meeting of heads of government/finance is but the bilderbergers have everything shrouded in secrecy.

the current crisis is an easy way for the bigger banks to buy up the smaller ones and get even more power-end of story. we are heading for a one world government whether you like it or not. maybe not in our lifetime but it will happen. and things like this credit crunch cannot happen without complicity and planning. it doesnt take rocket science to see how flawed this system was. so the question is, why allow it to happen?

answer, because it obviously suited someone.

writeon
02 October 2008 at 13:30

I don't actually know very much about the Bilderburg meetings to tell you the truth, but if Bono is there I suppose they can't be that sinister, because Bono's a saint, or was that the Davos meeting?

On my travels up and down the social scale over the years, being an 'artist' can get one invited to the strangest places, I've come to the conclusion that people are pretty much the same. Talents and intelligence and even knowlegde and education seem to be extraordinarily evenly distributed in society. I've met people of brilliance sleeping under bridges and half-wits in charge of armies. It's puzzling. What seems to be grossly unfairly distributed in our society is wealth and power, which has a strong tendency to disguise everything else.

donjud
02 October 2008 at 16:45

Incredibly Complex - Credit Default Swaps -$180 Trillion

An inherently systemic problem – and it has to do with how structured investments like tranched collateralized debt obligations (CDOs), residential mortgage-backed securities (RMBS), commercial mortgage-backed securities (CMBS), and credit default swaps on them and on corporate debts and loans are actually valued.

Individually, CDOs are hard to value. Suffice it to say, legend has it that constructing the cash flow payments on the first theoretical 3-tranche CDO (the simplest type of CDO) took a Cray Inc. (CRAY) supercomputer 48 hours. Now try and value credit default swaps on them!

Because there are so many different individual CDO securities, and because there are so many credit default swaps on so many of these CDOs, and so many swaps on individually referenced entity debts and loans, the only way to value them in a portfolio is by indexing.

That’s right, there are indexes, and guess what? You can trade the indexes! Markit Group Ltd., of London, constructs and manages the CDX, ABX, CMBX and LCDX family of credit-default-swap indexes. Investopedia has a decent little tutorial.

Not MANY even Understand these - Certainly not Politicians - AND they are DANGEROUS

Carl Jones
02 October 2008 at 18:19

donjud, good comment and I`ll admit that I only know a little about these complex financial instruments. Hard to value, so bringing down a bank like Lehman`s hides the books? RUSHING HBOS hides the issues?

I would be greatful and I`m sure many others would like to read more. Maybe you could be a little more opinionated. :)

Carl Jones
06 October 2008 at 11:28

The bailout has failed, markets are falling.LOL $700 billion, blah, blah, blah.....more like a $5 trillion black hole.LOL

The people should make it easier for themselves, they should march on the City and Wall St. and burn them down. We don`t need the banks. Ford motors makes more money playing with money, than it does selling cars. Energy companies are holding excess payments....your money, so they can play the markets. The only way to stop this gambling mentality is to burn the City and Wall St. to the ground. NWO controlled finance is a cancer (scam) on society.

fairplay
07 October 2008 at 06:35

hear hear

produce goods for profit, not worthless pieces of paper!!

hunt them down and humiliate them

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