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The new spies

Stephen Armstrong

Published 07 August 2008

When the Cold War ended, it didn't spell curtains for the secret agent. Private espionage is a booming industry and environmental protest groups are its prime target

As you hunker down for the last few days of the Camp for Climate Action, discussing how to force your way into Kingsnorth power station in an attempt to prevent the construction of a new coal facility, cast your eyes around your fellow protesters. Do they look entirely bona fide to you? And don't look for the old-school special branch officers - Kent Police are a tiny force. It's the corporate spies hired by private companies you need to watch out for.

According to the private espionage industry itself, roughly one in four of your comrades is on a multinational's payroll.

Russell Corn, managing director of Diligence, one of a growing number of "corporate intelligence agencies", with offices high in the Canary Wharf glass tower, says private spies make up 25 per cent of every activist camp. "If you stuck an intercept up near one of those camps, you wouldn't believe the amount of outgoing calls after every meeting saying, 'Tomorrow we're going to cut the fence'," he smiles. "Easily one in four of the people there are taking the corporate shilling."

In April this year, for instance, the anti-aviation campaign network Plane Stupid, one of the main organisers of the eco-camp built to protest against the expansion of Heathrow Airport, announced that one of its activists, Ken Tobias, was actually called Toby Kendall, was working for a corporate espionage firm called C2i, and had been leaking information about the group to paying clients and the media. He had been hired by an as yet unknown private company to provide information and disrupt the group's campaigning.

When Tobias first turned up at Plane Stupid's meetings in July 2007, he seemed a committed former Oxford student dedicated to reducing aircraft emissions. The group gradually became suspicious because he showed up early at meetings, constantly pushed for increasingly drama tic direct action and - the ultimate giveaway - dressed a little too well for an ecowarrior. When they showed his picture around Oxford they found an old college pal who identified him as Toby Kendall. A quick Google search revealed his Bebo page with a link to a corporate networking site, where his job as an "analyst" at C2i International, working in "security and investigations", was pasted in full public view.

Just a month earlier, a woman called Cara Schaffer had contacted the Student/Farmworker Alliance, an idealistic bunch of American college students who lobby fast-food companies to help migrant workers in Florida who harvest tomatoes. Like the cockle-pickers of Morecambe Bay, many of these workers are smuggled into the US by gangs which then take their passports and force them to work without pay to clear often fictitious debts to regain their papers.

Digging up dirt

Again, Schaffer's excessive eagerness aroused suspicion, and again, the internet revealed her true identity. She owned Diplomatic Tactical Services, a private espionage firm which had pre viously hired as a subcontractor one Guillermo Zara bozo, today facing murder charges in Miami for his role in allegedly executing four crew members of a chartered fishing boat, an allegation he denies. Schaffer turned out to be working for Burger King - the home, perhaps appropriately, of the Whopper.

The cute thing about these two bozos is that they got caught pretty early on, but that was because they were young and had no background in espionage.

The real market is in proper, old-school spies who are suddenly entering the private sector. For professional spooks, the 1990s were no fun at all. The Cold War was over, defence spending was down and a detailed knowledge of cold-drop techniques in central Berlin was useless to governments looking for Arabic speakers who knew the Quran.

From New York and London to Moscow and Beijing, any decent-sized corporation can now hire former agents from the CIA, FBI, MI5, MI6 and the KGB. The ex-spooks are selling their old skills and contacts to multinationals, hedge funds and oligarchs, digging up dirt on competitors, uncovering the secrets of boardroom rivals and exposing investment targets. They are also keeping tabs on journalists, protesters and even potential employees.

"MI5 and MI6 in particular have always guided ex-employees into security companies," explains Annie Machon, the former MI5 agent who helped David Shayler blow the whistle on the security services back in 1997. "It's always useful to them to have friends they can tap for info or recruit for a job that requires plausible deniability. The big change in recent years has been the huge growth in these companies. Where before it was a handful of private detective agencies, now there are hundreds of multinational security organisations, which operate with less regulation than the spooks themselves," she says.

Corn's company Diligence, for instance, was set up in 2000 by Nick Day, a former MI5 spy, and an ex-CIA agent, Mike Baker. Before long, the duo had built up a roster of high-paying clients including Enron, oil and pharmaceutical companies, as well as law firms and hedge funds. In 2001, a small investment by the Washington lobbying company Barbour Griffith & Rogers propelled their growth. However, BGR and Baker sold their stakes in 2005, shortly before a scandal shook Diligence. KPMG, the global professional services firm, accused Diligence staff of impersonating British spies to gain information on a corporate takeover for a Russian telecoms client called Alfa Group. Diligence settled the lawsuit without admitting liability.

Since then, it has recruited the former Conservative Party leader Michael Howard as chairman of its European operations. And it is that sort of respectability and lobbying power that big players are after. In 2007, the parent company of the US private military firm Blackwater, which hit the headlines for gunning down Iraqi civilians in Baghdad last September, entered this market through Total Intelligence Solutions (TIS), a new CIA-type private operation, to provide intelligence services to commercial clients.

Discreet investigations

Blackwater's vice-chairman, J Cofer Black, who runs TIS, spent three decades in the CIA and the state department, becoming director of the Counterterrorist Centre and co-ordinator for counter terrorism, a job with ambassadorial rank. He describes the new company as bringing "the intelligence-gathering methodology and analytical skills traditionally honed by CIA operatives directly to the boardroom. With a service like this, CEOs and their security personnel will be able to respond to threats quickly and confidently - whether it's determining which city is safest to open a new plant in or working to keep employees out of harm's way after a terrorist attack."

Black also says TIS will operate a "24/7 intelligence fusion and warning centre" that will monitor civil unrest, terrorism, economic stability, environmental and health concerns, and information technology security around the world.

The established firms already operating in this area include Kroll, Aegis, Garda, Control Risks, GPW and Hakluyt & Co. More firms are opening every day and there is little regulation of the sector.

Hakluyt & Co was founded in 1995 by former British MI6 officers, with a reputation for discreet and effective investigations. The company butler, a former gurkha, greets visitors to its London HQ, a town house off Park Lane. In winter, meetings can be conducted beside the fire. Computers are rarely in sight. Hakluyt's advisory board has become an exit chamber for captains of industry and former government officials. Members have included Sir Rod Eddington, a former BA CEO, and Sir Christopher Gent, former chief executive of Vodafone.

"It is hard to work well for an oil company without knowing who all the key decision-makers in a government are and having the right contacts to reach them," explains Stéphane Gérardin, who runs the French private security company Géos. "We have an intelligence section where we employ some investigative journalists, people from the finance sector, from equity banks and some from security backgrounds.

"It is an important part of image protection for our clients as well. We have our own tracking and monitoring centre, with analysts doing risk mapping and preparing our clients for every potential problem. It could be about alerting them to local sensitivities. Or, in this globalised internet age, it can be a group of students in Cambridge who have launched a protest website, who may be sending out a petition.

"So we need to be able to understand and prepare our own propaganda to counter such attacks. This is work we do to protect our clients."

Trusted friend

Like the state security services, which ended up running Class War in the 1990s after a hugely successful penetration, these spies work to become reliable members of any protest movement. In April 2007, the Campaign Against Arms Trade called in the police after court documents showed that the weapons manufacturer BAE Systems had paid a private agency to spy on the peace group.

BAE admitted that it had paid £2,500 a month to LigneDeux Associates, whose agent Paul Mercer - accepted as a trusted member of the campaign - passed information, including a legally privileged document, to BAE's director of security, Mike McGinty.

Unlike the security services, however, these services don't bother with penetrating the far left or anti-fascist groups. Their clients are only interested in the protest movements that threaten corporations. And as that is the nature of much protest in these times, it is a wide field, but with a particular impact on environmental groups.

At any of this summer's green protests the corporate spies will be there, out-of-work MI5 agents tapping green activists' mobile phones to sell the information on to interested companies.

Russell Corn knows of incidents where a spook at a meeting has suggested a high-street bank as a target, then left the meeting to phone the officers of said bank, telling them that he has penetrated an activist camp planning an attack and offering to sell the details. Corn has no time for such behaviour, however.

"The thing about a really good private spy," he tells me, "is that you'll never know he's around and he'll never get caught.

"The fact you can't see them . . . it means nothing at all."

"War plc: the Rise of the New Corporate Mercenary" by Stephen Armstrong is published by Faber & Faber (£14.99)

Spooks for hire

Alyssa McDonald offers tips on how to protect your business

Unsure a potential employee is the person for the job?

Try Géos's "violence assessment and prevention" service. "Security Experts and Board-Certified Forensic Psychologists" will help keep potential troublemakers out of your company. Previous clients include the CIA, the FBI and various Fortune 500 companies.

Worried your business may be undercut?

"Commercial and competitive intelligence" services from Diligence can help. These will identify potential rivals, their respective strengths and weaknesses, their allies in commerce and government; they will assess their strategies, vet potential suppliers and "identify and counteract any rival effort to weaken [the client's] reputation".

Business at risk from radical activists?

Then you need "close protection analysis" from Diligence. A "prominent European scientific research group" suspected of animal testing used the service to provide early warning of possible attacks by animal rights activists. Diligence identified factions within the activist organisation with differing opinions about the use of violence in their campaigns. Playing on this friction, Diligence learned about upcoming attacks and warned the research group.

Concerned that your flight might not go smoothly?

Géos has an online database tracking air carriers' financial position, maintenance practices and history of accidents, as well as their pilots' "training, background and experience". Also available for helicopter services.

Need to find out who your colleagues have been emailing?

Kroll's "computer forensics" can help. They can uncover lost or hidden files, break encrypted files and "re-create events from electronic footprints". Kroll will work onsite if necessary, "even in the middle of the night, so that users are unaware" of what is happening to their computers.

Need to make a sharp exit?

Why not sign up for Géos's "emergency evacuation support" system? Dangers that you may face will be mapped by the company's "intelligence division and global monitoring programme". When security conditions "escalate to a potential crisis point", you can be removed from whatever situation you are in.

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31 comments from readers

Carl Jones
07 August 2008 at 11:59

Stephen; oh so gentle...you forgot to mention Peter Power ex anti terrorism officer with the Met, he now runs Visor Consultants (Piccadilly, London and website), they are a crisis management company and were conducting anti-terror (lol) drills on the London underground, in the same stations, on the same lines and at the same time the 7/7 bombs went off....the statistical chance of this is enormous. Of course, the MSM was gagged.lol

I like your 25%, so a further 50% are state SIS? I remember watching a programme about the KKK which had split into two factions. The well known journo was attending one factions weekend rally. There were about 5000, he asked the leaders if all these people were really KKK members, the leader replied "no, about half are FBI. So when Sian Berry was attending the LHR camp, only one in four were real protesters?lol

So, how many of Geldofs`s staff are private spies? Mr Fayed, watch your back.lol Mr Shayler is still a spy, his casting out was a stunt warning to other spies before Iraq kicked off, now he swans about with out of the box thinkers. Running short on time, `ll be back".LOL

Arjen Kamphuis
07 August 2008 at 12:06

In the case of KingsNorth there is no need for having spies in the camp. The activitsts are kind enough to send out e-mail of the comming actions 5 days before they are planned. These e-mails are re-posted to indymedia and other places.

Arjen Kamphuis

Douglas Chalmers
07 August 2008 at 13:42

Not only infiltrating but positioning themselves to influence decisions and future actions if it is at all possible to hijack an agenda or to usurp it in some way. That includes Human Rights groups and Community groups as well as Environmental protest groups as well, uhh.

That is, there are 'moles' as well as spies. MoveOn.org in the USA was suddenly hijacked by a pro-Obama clique which was formed as a cell within a community group. The final coup was over within 24 hours as an email campaign supposedly 'produced' a vote from members to (undemocratically) support one Democrats candidate alone.

GetUp.org.au in Australia was another community group that was hijacked or used alternatively by a pro-Tibet clique and a covert pro-Labor government agenda to usurp climate change concerns to raise taxes through a fake emissions trading scheme with no carbon offsets and no CO2 reductions.

Douglas Chalmers
07 August 2008 at 14:59

Additionally, organizations like Amnesty international are no longer legitimately focussing on genuine human rights issues but are attacking China as though it was still languishing in the 1940's-60's http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2008/may/01/amnesty.in...

That is not only blind to actual recent decades of progress and development but a vicious kind of jealousy which underlies pandering to an externally controlled agenda by the Neocons and the USA to wedge China any way they can. They are now totally usurped and prostitued as a Human Rights organization.

They know that they are fast running out of time as their own economies in the West start to disintegrate under absurd debt and mismanagement. Thus they have been desperate to manipulate public opinion through whatever once-respectable community agencies they can coerce or infect for their own advantage.

It is also a kind of anti-Asian racism dishonestly masquerading under a kind of 'whites-for-rights' banner and the Olympic torch fiasco in Paris especially was part of it - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I28UcqobzPA That seemingly masks the real agenda of wanton aggression by the Neocons and their record in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib whilst murdering a million Iraqis in the past 17 years.....

Carl Jones
07 August 2008 at 17:29

Stephen, as I was saying, what percentage of MP`s are in with the SIS? And then we have journos....we`ve had a couple writing for the NS about their SIS propaganda{matrix] articles. What about the Mosques....we are led to believe that MI5 was playing catch up, but it is my belief that MI5 were STOKING THE TERROR FIRES!! LOL Just look at SIS penertration in Northern Ireland....for the life of me, I can`t understand why the troubles lasted so long....maybe it was because of the protracted Cold War and British forces weren`t getting enough real action, so the SIS set up a "home theater" in NI?LOL I know, its no laffing matter and then its wrapped up just in time for the War on Terror....another NWO construct.

I`ve been invied to 9/11 truth meetings in London and unrelated, I`ve even been subtly invited to get involved in direct action...I have no idea what it was, but I knew the meeting would be full of SIS and no doubt filming everyone.

When you consider that all electronic traffic is monitored, all vehicle movements on M & A roads are tracked by the SIS and then we have the Echelon electronic spy network which is very advanced, so much so, the French government publically complained about French companies losing contracts. Which search engine do you use? Google or Cuil? There is no doubt in my mind that both are hotwired into the SIS.

I doubt that anyone, anywhere in the world could conduct a genuine War on Terror against the NWO, unless it was part of there global domination strategy.....come in Mr Bond.LOL

Douglas Chalmers
08 August 2008 at 08:27

"MI5 and MI6 in particular have always guided ex-employees into security companies..... It's always useful to them to have friends they can tap for info or recruit for a job that requires plausible deniability..."

Forget the cold war, its now The New American Empire - "Congress no longer chooses to read new legislation before voting it into law. Bills are switched at the last minute for unread, substitute legislation. New laws say ANYONE can now be followed and watched - for ANY reason... or for NO reason..... and the list goes on..." http://www.washingtonyourefired.com/ Watch the VIDEO!

Carl Jones
08 August 2008 at 10:40

Douglas; in priciple I agree with you, but this Washington thing is a decoy....the real power is in the City and the people who pull the levers of power are the elite families such as the Rothschilds. The brain of Western SIS is MI6, this leaves the CIA as the pack horse and Mossad as the rabid dog...

....the principle intelligence used to justify war with Iraq was faked and written by MI6....we are dealing with grande decoys and masterful illusions. How many times did Bush smirk during his Chinese speech in Bangkok....the guy was havin a good laff at everyone outside the elite. He`s done it before when Blair stood on the podium in Washington and Bush said sorry for the mistakes in Iraq...he bowed his head a LAUGHED, seriously, do a pic search, Bush is truely evil and so it Blair.

Bhatti
08 August 2008 at 13:17

Carl Jones - "The brain of Western SIS is MI6, this leaves the CIA as the pack horse and Mossad as the rabid dog... "

I'd say the brain is Mossad, the rabid dog is the USA, and MI6 is just along for the ride, a bit like the mouse sat on the elephant thinking it's shaking the bridge.

Nether Street
08 August 2008 at 17:01

The claim about Class War being 'run' by the security services in the 1990s would be amusing if it wasn't another load of old cobblers I last heard being spouted by self-proclaimed messiah David Shayler, partner of one Annie Machon. Machon herself left MI5 for another post, hardly blowing the whistle, while Shayler's reason for leaving and going to the press was that MI5 weren't efficient enough. It certainly wasn't because he thought they were oppressive. After all Machon's involvement with the loonier tunes in the so-called 9/11 truth movement, I would have hoped her revelations would be treated with the derision they deserve.

When debating with Larry O'Hara at Conway Hall in 2005, Shayler was unable to substantiate his claims about security service control of Class War in the 1990s. To see these ludicrous allegations reheated in your magazine - at Machon's behest, I suspect - is disappointing.

Some sort of apology for this unfounded allegation should, I suggest, be offered to Class War.

Carl Jones
08 August 2008 at 18:26

Bhatti....you just made my point, you (and I) aren`t supposed to see the deception. The senior Rothschild lives in the UK, he sits in the House of Lords and acts a father figure to all the Russian oligarchs in London. It was the British and Amerikan elites who pumped money into the German pre war economy and then Churchill started the war, game on. Germany occupied, this led to the European Union and the creation of the Israeli state, its primary state buildings funded by Lord Rothschild.

Nether Street
09 August 2008 at 18:08

Carl

It's traditionally believed that Hitler started the war by invading Poland. At the time - and it IS a matter of public record - Churchill was a backbench MP and the prime minister was one Neville Chamberlain. You may wish to reconsider your position in the light of this information, which I hope comes as no great surprise.

Carl Jones
09 August 2008 at 23:41

"If Germany invades Poland, we will be at war",....not bad for a public statemant.....now, what would you expect Hitler to do? Oh dear, the Brits are trying to scare me, there is nothing left to do but invade.LOL

Carl Jones
10 August 2008 at 08:22

Nether Street; the British political classes were deeply devided, Churchill led the war camp and he got his way. Everyone knows that the real US president is Richard Cheney. Churchill forced the war, its as simple as that. "Peace in our Time".LOL

Nether Street
10 August 2008 at 18:12

Carl

Let's not go down your path of posting fantasy and taking it for reality. The facts in this instance are unambiguous and regrettably don't support your thesis. It's a matter of historical record that following a bogus border incident Hitler's forces invaded Poland on 1 September 1939. The British government, under Neville Chamberlain, presented the Germans with an ultimatum to withdraw their forces. This ultimatum was delivered on 3 September. This shouldn't be controversial. Hitler invaded Poland in full knowledge that Britain and France had given the Polish a guarantee: it's not like the British and the French wanted him to, or forced him to, invade Poland.

And I don't know where you get this nonsense about Churchill getting his way from. It's not as though he was in a position to foment a war, which - in any case - Hitler was doing his utmost to start. There is no way in which your statement that Churchill 'forced the war' can be anything apart from completely deluded.

And as for your post about Cheney being the real American president, it's tosh! If you were to edit your posts and retain only that which had a basis in established fact, there'd be little left.

Carl Jones
10 August 2008 at 19:27

Niether Street, I really am lucky, I get to talk with lots of Amerikans and I can tell you that not many believe Buch is in charge....it was Dick Cheney who was in the Stratcom Bunker on 9/11 while Buch watched the first plane hit the WTC from his car via a CIA link.LOL

NC was under considerable pressure to declare war on Germany, in fact, had he not declared war, his government would have fallen. If you want to give a serious diplomatic warning, you do it in private, so that in this case, Hitler wouldn`t lose face, the fact that it was all done in public and left Hitler with little option but to continue, as per UK/US elite plan.

"little left", I don`t know about that. History is written by the winners, but that doesn`t make it true. We are entering a serious peroid of revisionist history. Two US academics wrote that Amerika used nukes on Japan to impress Russia and kick off and arms race...every senior US military leader told the President that nukes weren`t required and would not reduce the loss of life, then we have the book "Hitler was a British Agent".....a remarkable work......looks like you are being left behind, so get a sat-nav!

PaulStott
10 August 2008 at 21:43

I think Carl Jones has demonstrated the 9/11 'truth' mindset perfectly with his comments on this thread.........

Carl Jones
10 August 2008 at 23:57

Hi Paul, can you explain "the 9/11 truth mindset perfectly"?lol, lol,lol,lol,lol,LOL!LOL

Carl Jones
10 August 2008 at 23:59

I thought not! LOL

Nether Street
11 August 2008 at 13:34

Carl

You may consider yourself fortunate to talk to many Americans. However, I doubt those Americans feel themselves so lucky...

I don't doubt Cheney has some considerable influence on US policy - he is, after all, Vice President. Despite that, Bush picked him to be VP, not the other way round. Which would go some way towards undermining your thesis... Just cos Cheney was one place and Bush another doesn't surprise me, it's like pilots on a plane having different dishes so they don't both get food poisoning. Anyway...

According to the Washington Post, Cheney was in his office when he learned of the attacks. Bush was famously somewhere in Florida learning how to read.

Your claim about Chamberlain misses the point that his government DID fall, after the defeat of British forces in Norway in the spring of 1940. And this piffle about giving serious diplomatic warnings in private simply doesn't hold water, not in this day and age and not even in the 1930s or 1940s. These things have to be discussed somewhere, in the House of Commons for example - the era of handing over notes in chancelleries was over before the Second World War.

WR2 Hitler as British agent, there are lots of books out there, some more barking than others. It seems to have been your misfortune to read some of the loonier nonsense out there and take it for fact. You're seeing conspiracies where there are none, links where there are none, and vomiting a load of semi-digested loonery.

Continue your line of posting, if you will. But it is vacuous pap with nothing to recommend it. It's not fit for the consumption of anyone with even hald a brain!

amanfromMars
11 August 2008 at 14:19

Hi, CJ,

Still pushing the same old guff, I see, which would have the Establishment practically your buddies. Methinks thou doth protest too much to be credibly Spookily Intelligent and of any real concern to anybody working with Failed Intelligence and their old Analogue type Services. The Field of Operations for Global Control/Perceptions Management/Great Games has moved into the Virtualised Spaces of the GIG and ITs Clouds....... and into NEUKlearer Quantum Fields of Communication.

And one would have quite reasonably expected the Banking Sector Hierarchy to have covered that Eventuality but obviously they are also Intellectually Challenged in and on the New Paradigm, which is/has rendered them Unfit for Future Purpose and which now threatens to bring the whole Fractional Reserve Scam down around their ankles like a pair of unnecessary hooker's drawers ..... for who needs them when the money is made by those who feed them ideas, or at least that is the present climate of thinking in foreign parts. That must be a Worry for them if more than just Inconvenient.

But that may be just Simply CompleXXXX Progress, which they could be Programmed into to Help themselves, for it is Illogical for them to imagine that things will not Change and that they will remain as Top Dogs in a much SMARTer World of Binary Sharks.... whenever Calls for Change are Spinning off everyone's Lips

It is easily Fixed with them though, for all they have to do is Sponsor a Great White Hat Binary Shark, for they have No Natural Enemies and are Master Pilots of the Virtual Reality in their Every Domain.

It might surprise you to know that MI5/MI6 are Swanning about Astutely in that See with a Pool of Resources which are, QuITe Literally, Out of this World and what is more, are so Beautifully Plausibly Deniable. After All, it would be Thought of as Madness to Believe some of their Antics, and what Better Beta Stealth could there be, than 42 Server and Protect the System with ITs Help and Virtual AIdD.

And that says more than just a little, and a little more than I had intended ten minutes ago. Ah well, c'est la vie, monsieur.

Nice to talk with you again. It has been a while.

Ps What do you think of Big Shot Thai Hookers running from Justice/Due Process and Broken Promises and Abusing Foreign Hospitality? One Rule for the Rich and One for the Poor has Always caused a Monumental Revolution, especially as Riches are Always Poor Produced ...... which must make such Obscene Wealth, Simply CompleXXXX Theft and most definitely, Sub-Prime Territory ?

Heidi Svenson
11 August 2008 at 23:50

In answer to the above, we cn explain the 9/11 Truth movement mindset: see www.911cultwatch.org.uk Thank you

Carl Jones
11 August 2008 at 23:52

Nether Street.....yawn.lol You`d need to ask MI6 about the Amerikans.LOL

Putin wasn`t going to Beijing until a NWO puppet state attacked Russian citizens.LOL Putin had some strong words for President Bush....so strong were these words that Chinese TV pictures showed Bush was TREMBLING.....in all that heat?LOL

Carl Jones
12 August 2008 at 00:46

Heidi, 911cultwatch is a waste of time. Shayler is still a spy and I`ve had invites to these meetings near Warren St tube, but I declined, because I knew I`d go around asking everyone if they were representing MI5.LOL

I was a 9/11 truther on 9/11 and I can`t remember ever posting on a dedicated 9/11 truth site. I hardly ever give over any time to 9/11, or 7/7....both were carried out by the NWO When you see the government change the evidence, such as the arrival time at Luton, it is clear that the truth will never come out, so your site is dedicated to following sad people....many of them SIS and come to that your lot are likely infected. I really liked your bit about debunking the Zionist theory.LOL Mossad are everywhere....when Western government supply them with the ID`s of living people, New Zealand and Germany being notable examples.

Did you know that its IMPOSSIBLE to fly a passeger plane into the WTC at 500mph? There are at least 5 US government sources who quote collision speeds of over 500mph.....you see, once a passenger plane reaches a speed of about 350mph, the plane climbs.....it doesn `t matter what you do with the controls. So it impossible to hit the WTC, under 1,300ft at 500mph.....

.....there are several factual lessons like the one above, which can be understood by the majority of people, but for the lif of me, I can`t find a single 9/11 truth site telling these simple explanations.....their agendas seem to be focused on a appealing to a narrow section of the public and half on these are SIS. I used to post on the BBC Today message boards (now closed down), until I was banned for LIFE!LOL I posted about the Windsor building fire in Madrid....I was censored by the BBC dark forces (Queens words), I posted about another skyscraper fire in South America, the BBC dark forces censored my post. Tell me Heidi, what are your thoughts on Peter Power and his company Visor Consultants?lol

I`m planning some public meetings at the local hall, would you care to come....there`s plenty of overtime at MI5LOL

Carl Jones
12 August 2008 at 00:48

amanfromMars, how IT going old bean? Found your site, so whats the plan?

amanfromMars
12 August 2008 at 05:57

"amanfromMars, how IT going old bean? Found your site, so whats the plan?"

In a short enigmatic, sentence, ...... Order to Chaos with the Myriad Level Binary Manipulation of the Big Digital Picture from within the AI Cloud Base. But you know that has always been the Plan.

And with plenty of obscenely well paid overtime for any Special Intelligence Services into Virtualisation Paths and Strategic Logistical Support of ITs Special IntelAIgent Services.

Some Good Old Fashioned Merlin Majic, CJ, albeit with PerlyGatesPython CodeXXXX Coding for the Full Monty of IT and AI Controls in a Wwwhole Series of QuITe Novel and Nobel AddVentures.

As you may Imagine, the more Pedestrian Scarlett and Evans types would be Intellectually Challenged to Effectively Compete and would be Following in ITs Mentoring Wakes....... so as not to be Left Floundering too Far Behind. If they're Jointly Fit for Future Purpose they'll Fund ITs Virtual Leadership 42 Learn more than they Really Need thus to Allow them Generous Feed.

Who Cares and Dares, Win Wins, CJ.

amanfromMars
12 August 2008 at 06:26

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi3867803929/ .... Smoke and Mirrors and Cracked and Smashed Windows, CJ, with a Script in Live Progress ..... "Bean Spilling." By amanfromMars Posted Sunday 10th August 2008 15:44 GMT ... http://theregister.co.uk/2008/08/09/mckinnon_ufo_cyberterror...

Carl Jones
12 August 2008 at 09:36

amanfromMars; looks like you are frightening them away....9.15am and the NS moves its hottest thread off top spot for something utterly boring.LOL

Looks like a fun film, but I doubt it will illustrate MI6 as the dominant intel brain.

The treatment of McKinnion is disgusting and as you might remember, I used to post alot about Mckinnon on the BBC Today message boards. You make the point in your link, that if McKinnon gets 60 years, then many in the USmilitary/intel community should be facing the death penalty....the US should counts their chickens, because serious crimminal/terrorist intent could have proved fatal. I find it hard to believe that "only" McKinnon was wandering around US defence computers...surely the Chinese found it just as easy.

What McKinnon discovered has lifted us into the realms of embryo Star Trek and onto a new reality. :)

Lotchos
13 August 2008 at 13:03

Hi folks, A few words on garden variety conspiracy nutters. I had a friend who fell for all this 9/11, David Icke , hollow earth etc rubbish, he goes by the name of changeling and he had a big hand in wrecking the Melbourne IndyMedia collective that he was involved with. No amount of history books or facts could dissuade him, they all must be working for the CIA and alien shapeshifters. Understand that when people join the loonar right they have joined a cult and only a professional deprogammer may help or age may make them see sense(unlikely). Now he sees invisible sex scenes on billboards advertising red rock deli potato chips and posts videos of his "investigations" on YouTube. There are interesting links between counter-culture and rightwingnut paranoid types. Anyway a few facts of history: Roseveldt threatened to declare war on Italy if they joined the nazi attack on France, he didn't because he was a flakey Statesman lording it over Winnie whilst sucking up to Uncle Joe. Also cause he did not want to sacrifice yanks if he could get russians to do the job. The japs sort of forced his hand, although that crazy Adolf helped by declaring war on USA after Pearl Harbour. WW2 was being planned by nutters in German High Command before Armistice talks began. Hindenburg, Ludendorf and Kaiser managed to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory at the beginning of 1918 when they had half of Russia from Lenin(Brest-Litovsk treaty), French army in mutiny, Brits barely hanging in there and Yanks still far away. They held the high ground, a good place to stay in trench warfare. The Austro-Hungarians pleaded to them to make peace from a position of strength, Falkenhyn and Turks wanted to carry war into central asia and India. Instead flush with troops from east after russian capitulation they attacked the Brit & French trenches and lost almost 1million men and the war. German jews were more patriotic than most slavs in German empire, i've seen a photo of german jew soldiers celebrating Hannakuh from ww1, also read The Good Soldier Svek(better than Catch22). The question remains to be answered why germans allowed the transfer of russian anti-semitism into body politic? why destroy a valuable asset in german jewry and why start ww2 without even one battle worthy aircraft carrier? But who said politicians and generals were rational. So 6 million jews were murdered and many millions of others, Russia and USA win and British Empire destroyed. UK, Europe & Australia absorbed into US empire- thats why they have military bases in our lands. Churchill abit like ancient Greek king Phyrus. Why don't 9/11 nuts ever consider possible russian involvement?A. Because the CIA is all powerful- see South Park episode. Nothing can be done with time wasting morons.

Carl Jones
14 August 2008 at 01:02

Lotchos; I love your motivation....were you having a quiet afternoon in the US embassy basement?lol

For the bennefit of commentators, before I was illegaly banned from BBC message boards, I had to contend with the counter propaganda illustrated in the comment above....in fact, I find it slightly refreshing and motivating that someone is tasked with such effort.

However, as a token gesture, the CIA is not all powerful....MI6 isLOL

Nether Street
14 August 2008 at 12:13

Carl

Somehow I'm not surprised you were banned from the BBC message boards. And I wouldn't be surprised if your brand of vapid nonsense had seen you barred from other message boards as well.

Carl Jones
15 August 2008 at 18:07

Nither Street; no, only the BBC....oh, and channel 4, not that I`ve posted there, its just that MI5 have me on some sort of message board watch list...C4 won`t even reply to my emails.LOL

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