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The Books Interview: Sheila Rowbotham

The history of the suffragettes is well documented, but there has been much less coverage of the early-20th-century feminists described in your new book, who organised around birth control, housework, labour rights and equal pay. Why is that?

Perhaps the story of the suffragettes ismore like a news report - there were some specific events, and then an end point - whereas the arguments around daily life were less crystallised. There was quite a lot of disagreement among the women I am writing about, and the discussions they had are still going on today.

Of all their causes, which was the most difficult for them to tackle?

One of their biggest struggles was to assert the needs of women as individuals, while also envisaging a society that was more co-operative and collective. I think that's a struggle for everyone who wants social change, because the individualist territory tends to be claimed by liberals and anarchists, while the socialists get the collective state territory, so you end up with a divide.

There are hundreds of utopian thinkers in the book. Whom among them do you especially admire?

There is a brilliant American, Crystal Eastman, who recognised that women needed solutions to their specific problems, but also that you couldn't just talk about women as being entirely different from men. She found a balance. She and others were campaigning for changes around sexuality and how you bring up children and retain some autonomy. It was a huge surprise to me when I first discovered them. I thought that, before the 1970s, nobody had ever thought about issues such as how to share childcare.

What can feminists today learn from those early campaigners?

They can realise that they are acting in a context. There is always a difficulty in speaking out alone, so finding other women who have thought the same way gives you an awful lot of strength, because it's then harder to be isolated and made to feel peculiar.

Forty years ago, you spearheaded the second-wave feminist movement in Britain by suggesting the first ever National Women's Liberation Conference. Do you see that wave of the movement as utopian, too?

Yes, we wanted everything to change. We were women who had had an education, but many of us came from non-educated backgrounds, so we didn't have precedents in our families for different ways of being. Men were similarly caught, so they treated us in very confused ways. We were all breaking every rule, and yet the old assumptions kept surfacing. I remember one guy telling me that my role as a woman was to be a nurturer. I said: "I don't want that role!" I don't mind nurturing when I feel like it, but I don't want to be stuck in that category.

Did you achieve all you hoped for?

Not exactly. But in the 1970s you hardly ever saw a man pushing a pram, for instance, and that's normal now, so big changes did occur.

Does it surprise you that a class analysis has largely disappeared from feminism?

I think it happened when the manufacturing industry dwindled and workers moved over to the public sector. Also, the Murdoch press has had the power to crush the slightest sniff of old-style Labourism, or feminism - Harriet Harman says very mild things and the tabloid press goes bananas. The way that the Labour Party abandoned working-class people has left a complete vacuum, and a deep feeling of hurt and anger.

You are a professor at Manchester University. Have you seen signs among young women of a renewed feminist movement?

Over the past two years there has been a growing interest, although some women are still wary.

In 1970 Jean-Luc Godard asked you to walk up and down stairs naked, reciting words of emancipation and you said no. Have you ever regretted that decision?

No - even though I didn't have incredibly pure, principled motives for refusing: it was mainly vanity. I did read the words of emancipation, and the woman who ended up on screen in my place was terribly slender and elegant.

Sheila Rowbotham's "Dreamers of a New Day: Women Who Invented the 20th Century" is published by Verso (£17.99)

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A Middle-Aged Princess Grows Up

On the cusp of my 45th birthday, I made the mistake of looking in the mirror. It wasn't the bathroom mirror, it was a photo I had from graduate school. I looked at myself 20 years ago and had a startling and clear epiphany. It wasn't a happy moment. It was a terribly sad moment. It was so sad that I involuntarily burst into tears, something I haven't done since the dark days of my divorce.

I looked at the photo and came to the conclusion that I had made a real mess of my life. I felt the utter misery of my life come in waves of sadness, regret, anger, and loneliness. For almost an hour I cried as I looked at the photo of a younger me. I was 24 with a fresh MBA from an excellent school. I was eager to conquer the business world. I was eager to prove that women could do anything. I was so much thinner. My clothes looked stylish, almost sexy. Of course the hair style was awful but that was the 80s and such styles could be forgiven. I saw the brightness in my eyes, the sparkle of life, of the great opportunities that were open to me. The world was there for my taking and I was ready.

But somehow, some way, it never came to be. My life evolved into something painful and difficult. But until that moment when I looked at my photo from over two decades ago, I always blamed someone else. It was never my fault for the bad decisions I made. Typically, it was the fault of men - my father, my boyfriends, my husband, my boss, my sons. Never, ever was it something that I had done. When I commiserated with my women friends, they always supported me. They even supported me when I had my affair, telling me that my husband was not giving me the attention that I needed. I read the women’s magazines and every article was about how women were always strong, intelligent, morally righteous, unable to make bad decisions. Worse, I believed that any of my needs, no matter how frivolous, no matter how many times I changed my mind, no matter how miserable I made the men in my life feel, were more important than anything - motherhood, career advancement, a healthy marriage, whatever.

I hate the world for teaching me those lessons. I remember complaining about how my husband never grew up. But as the tears streamed down my face, I came to the conclusion that I had never grown up. I never learned about compromise, trust, tolerance, niceness. I was a bitch, pure and simple. I know now that being a bitch is not about strength or independence. Being a bitch is about being repellent, unpleasant, unhappy, and lonely. Being a bitch is nothing more than being a spoiled princess who is too selfish or stupid to accept the joy in life.

I had become a fat, unpleasant, middle-aged princess because I had refused to grow up. Sure, I had taken on grown-up responsibilities (marriage, career, house, motherhood) but at the core of my psyche was a 13-year-old girl who stamped her feet and whined when she didn't get her way. Of course, I had stopped whining years ago but I simply replaced the whining with emotional manipulation and ornery bitchiness. No wonder I was still single and my two teenaged sons spent all their free time with their father.

When I was growing up, being a dilettante feminist, I swallowed the standard line that women can have it all. I wanted it all and I wanted to make no compromises, to assume no sacrifices, and to feel completely validated in all of my lifestyle choices. The biggest mistake in my late teens and early 20s was to let other women - women whom I thought to be strong, independent, and intelligent - determine which lifestyle I was to follow. I was simply too spoiled and lazy to look inward, to embrace the kind of introspection necessary to find one's own path in life, the path that could lead to real fulfillment and happiness.

I remember college well. It was a fun time and I thought, at the time, an enlightening time. The parties were exciting, the political debates intense, the string of boyfriends and casual sexual encounters pleasant. I studied hard and I played hard. I attended the campus feminist meetings and listened to diatribes from sturdy and self-righteous peers about the evils of masculinity. I learned to scorn men when I didn't need them for selfish reasons - study partners, shoulders to cry on, willing sexual partners. But I was never hesitant to bat my eyelashes or let my skirt ride up on my then-slender thighs if I needed something from a man. Men were handy to have around occasionally, but certainly not required, as my female peers kept insisting.

I learned that the only place for a woman was in the boardroom and that motherhood was beneath my intelligence. I "took back the night" at a few after-dark rallies with hundreds of young women eager to prove to the world that all men were rapists and potentially violent criminals.

When I got pregnant my sophomore year, it was easy to get an abortion. The campus health center was almost eager to make sure the procedure was done quickly and quietly. I never told my parents. I never told the fellow who made me pregnant. I don't even remember his name, I only vaguely remember a wild night with the college hockey team at an off-campus party. Only now do I consider the irony of how I was attracted to college athletes in school - the type of men who liked being in control.

Pursuing my MBA once I completed my undergraduate studies was a foregone conclusion. I was destined for the board room, or so I had convinced myself. Graduate school was tough. I was competing with some very bright people, mostly men. Those men were destined for success and they knew it. But I had something that I exploited. I had my femininity and I used it ruthlessly when I had to. I tried to convince myself that the affair with my married finance professor had nothing to do with grades. Of course, finance was the most difficult course and when I managed surface at the end of the semester with a B it was hard to rationalize that the secret trysts with the professor had nothing to do with it. But the ends always justifies the means and there was no way I would not succeed. The other few women in my class were doing the same if they could get away with it. We never talked about it, but it was understood and we sometimes giggled about it and gloated that we had something the men would never have.

I met my husband that last year in graduate school. He was pursuing a degree in sociology. The chemistry with him was quite intense in the beginning. He had long hair and a motorcycle. He was the classic bohemian and I felt the need to rein him in, to make him a better man (or at least my definition of a better man). He was irresponsible and sometimes unruly but I loved him with all my heart and soul.

After graduating, I found work in a big corporation. Every day I went to work with my power suit and shoulder pads under my jacket. I walked in my sneakers and changed into work shoes when I got to the office at 7AM to put in another 12 hour day. I was married by then in a wedding straight from Modern Bride magazine. My husband had finally cut his hair after much insistence from me. He would later call it severe nagging but I got my wish so it didn't matter.

He found work in a consumer research organization. He didn't get paid as much as me but that didn't matter. My income was big and growing bigger. We bought a house I found in the suburbs. He had recommended something more modest and closer to downtown where we both worked. I would have none of that. My success had to be readily visible with a big, traditional house and a big lawn. I made sure he took care of the lawn despite his resistance.

After five years, I felt the need to have babies. It wasn't a mutual decision. I wanted babies. No, I desperately needed a baby. I felt empty inside without kids. It was a completely irrational feeling for a high-flying career woman hell-bent on being the next corporate CEO. My husband was cool towards the idea. He asked how we would balance the demands of being parents and supporting a rather expensive lifestyle. I didn't care. My womb was empty. I had needs. Neither reason nor logic affected my needs or my feelings.

So, the first baby came. Instantly, life changed. I couldn't put in the hours I needed to maintain my career trajectory. My husband changed as well. He quickly lost his bohemian attitudes. He sold his motorcycle and became a devoted father to our son. Of course, I had been pushing for this since we had gotten married. His words, as revealed during the divorce, were "shrill, nagging harpy who relentlessly pushed me into fatherhood". But he loved our first son and even offered to work only part time to allow me to keep on with my career. That would not do. I was the mother, the queen, the all-knowing and wise creator of my son. My husband was clearly an incompetent boob who didn't know a diaper from a car seat.

My boss saw that I was distracted with my new duties as super-mom. He looked at my productivity and knew I couldn't perform like my single or childfree colleagues. So, I was "mommy-tracked". They didn't call it that then. But when a male colleague was promoted over me, I knew what was happening. I hated it. I was livid. How could I not have it all? So, I played the feminine card again, this time with a stick, not a carrot. I paid a visit to Human Resources with a veiled threat of a discrimination lawsuit. It didn't work, of course, because it was very clear that I was putting in fewer hours with the resultant loss of productivity. It was all documented and defensible. I was furious. How dare they. I summoned up all the righteous wrath I could. I consulted an outside attorney, a ferocious female lawyer who was quite prepared to sue until she made a pass at me. Open-minded I was, but certainly not a lesbian. I let the legal issue drop and sullenly accepted my reduced role at work. After all, we had expenses to pay and my salary was certainly needed.

I watched my husband evolve from bohemian to responsible father. He was astoundingly good with our first son. Of course, at the time, I didn't recognize that. I thought everything he did was wrong. Only I, the supreme mother, could raise our first boy. We struggled for a couple of years. It wasn't easy. So, when I got pregnant again - unplanned by my husband, completely planned by me - the stress continued to grow. Money wasn't tight but the pressure to maintain our lifestyle and that big house was mostly on my shoulders. I resented my husband for that. He had chosen a career he loved but the pay was not nearly as much as mine. I really had to work and with being on the mommy track, there was no way I could achieve what I had expected in my career.

We did use day-care and a part-time housekeeper. Actually, we went through eight housekeepers. They were never good enough for me. Nothing was good enough for me. My shoes didn't fit, my clothes looked bad, the car wasn't clean enough, my husband wasn't up to my standards. Looking back in brutal honesty, I was a stark, raving bitch. I don't think I said a nice word in years. I am amazed that my husband put up with me. I didn't take him seriously, he was just a man, after all.

In my limited social life, I spent time with women like me. We were an unhappy group of 30-something moms with powerful careers. But we also smiled and pretended that life was perfect. We all had the right homes, the right cars, the right schools, the right careers. We convinced ourselves that we did have it all. Occasionally, one of us might vent some frustration at the situation. When that happened, we always had convenient scapegoats - our husbands, our bosses, our housekeepers, the schools, whatever. It was never, ever our fault because we were female.

With one son at five and the other at seven, it fell apart. Rather, it exploded. My husband just gave up. He had been supportive to me and good with the children. So, it caught me by surprise when he just gave up. I guess I should have seen it. I was always using sex as a weapon with him. If he didn't do exactly what I said, if he didn't bend over backwards to fulfill my every whim, he didn't experience any kind of sexual pleasure. I remember I caught him playing with himself one night. I was furious. How could he experience sexual satisfaction without my control being somehow involved?

As a healthy woman, I did have my own sexual needs. So, rather than enjoy sex within the context of a marriage, I had an affair. It was easy. I was still somewhat attractive. There were men around. "Why not?" I easily rationalized to myself. My husband doesn’t give me enough attention, it’s all his fault. The affair was inconsequential, just some sex on weekends and on business trips. I needed it so therefore it was OK. While my husband was being a father, I was being an empowered, independent woman visiting cheap motels with a man who could give me orgasms.

The affair lasted three months. My husband never found out. He didn't need to, he just gave up. Interestingly, he channeled his efforts into a side business as a marketing consultant. This proved to be quite lucrative for him. Within six months his income had exceeded mine. Our savings account grew substantially. "It's for the boys' college tuition" he told me over and over again.

I was unhappy. My career was stressful and unrewarding. My two sons were closer to my husband than to me because of all the hours I was working. He had quit his full-time job and was thriving as a marketing consultant, a job that he could do out of the house with just his computer and a phone. I felt frustrated and unfulfilled. My female friends recommended counseling. So, we gave that a try. I subtly picked a counselor whom I know would be sympathetic to me. The sessions were actually fun in a very unpleasant way. The counselor and I spent 50 minutes picking on my husband. He quietly sat there and took it, apologizing and promising to change. I didn't have to promise to do anything. The counselor - a woman much like me - made it very clear that my needs were paramount and his needs were completely irrelevant.

Naturally, the counseling didn't work for us. My husband retreated into fatherhood and his growing business. I contemplated another affair. Unfortunately, I was gaining a lot of weight. At a size 12, it was hard to get attractive men to look at me. My friends recommended that I consider divorce. I look back and think about my "friends" from that period in my life. They were a group of unhappy women trying so hard to validate their own, poor life decisions. I let them influence me when I should have been strong. That was an enormous mistake.

I didn't hate my husband I just didn't love him like I used to. I wanted a new and better life. I could raise my sons without him. I had been reading that kids really didn't need fathers. I was feeling so unfulfilled. When I served my husband with divorce papers, he didn't seem surprised. I had consulted with a good divorce attorney and she strongly recommended that I go for everything - house, cars, custody, alimony, child support, everything. "It's a war and as a woman, you have to win" were her words.

The divorce was ugly and despite the fact that I did get the house, the car, the kids, child support, and the savings account that he had filled, I ultimately lost. My ex moved out, leaving me to take care of the house and kids. He moved into a very modest apartment and we agreed that he could see the boys on weekends. The court actually ordered that to happen. I was happy to force him out of their lives completely but he was rigidly insistent and that damned judge agreed.

I was single again. I was ready to date again. But at 38, dating was not like the wild times in college and graduate school when I was young, alluring, and desired by men. No, I was a single mom now. I had cut my hair short and my figure was almost past the point of no return. The kind of man I wanted to date had no interest in me. Those powerful and successful men had younger, prettier, nicer girlfriends.

The divorced men were the worst. They were either so disillusioned that they couldn't handle a relationship or they were just hopping from bed to bed, not willing to be exclusive. I so much wanted to be swept off my feet into the arms of an attractive man to take care of me and make my troubles go away. I still thought of myself as a princess. I was still silly, stupid, and immature.

Yet the men I was attracted to wouldn't give me a second thought. The men who did want me were totally unsuitable. It was astounding to me that I wasn't attractive any more. So many men in college were after me. I remember mocking all the guys who approached me at parties. If they had the slightest flaw, I pushed them away, usually with a pointed insult or two. I never thought twice about the men I rejected, some of them decent and sweet when I look back on it. My girlfriends and I called them "mamma's boys" while we let ourselves be taken by the cocky, arrogant pricks who always made us feel overpowering attraction and lust.

To make matters worse, I couldn't fix anything in the house. My husband had tended to all those matters. My boys were pre-teens and very difficult for me to handle. They hated the fact that they could only see their father on weekends. Their grades dropped. They started having discipline problems in school. Naturally, I blamed their father. It was all his fault that we divorced and that he lived apart from them. I tried not to say bad things about him in front of my sons but the feelings were just so strong. I said terrible things about their father, especially when I was drinking, which I did a lot of back then.

If I was unhappy when I was married, I was now wretchedly miserable as a single mom looking for love again. I tried hard to convince myself that I was a strong, independent, and intelligent woman. Sometimes it worked, especially when I was browbeating subordinates at work. I actually hated my job. I made a good living, yes. Yet I had reached the zenith of my career and the board room was not one bit closer. I still felt terribly conflicted about being a good mom and being the corporate woman.

I had lots of blame to dole out. There was no way that the current state of my life was the result of my decisions. My single girlfriends all told me that, many, many times over copious cocktails in sundry singles bars. I read a lot of women’s magazines and the advice I got said pretty much the same thing - a woman is never to blame.

I tried to lose weight but it was so very difficult. When I was hungry, I simply had to eat, usually ice cream or something with chocolate. I had to buy new clothes, again, because the weight kept piling on. I was set up on a blind date and the man had the sheer audacity to say "I'm sorry, I'm just not attracted to you because of your weight." I never thought about my own hypocrisy about trying to find a man to whom I was attracted to physically. Men must be attracted to me, I am a woman, after all.

The past few years have been kind of a blur. My ex husband had found a new love of his life and I naturally hated him for that. I tried to increase the child support payments. When that didn't work, I tried to prevent my sons from visiting him. They fought me on this. I took out my frustrations at work. My boss threatened to fire me. Only my girlfriends gave me any support. We had boozy nights where we ate and drank too much. Frankly, we were a bunch of fat, unhappy, single women who heaped blame upon the world for the state of our lives.

So when I saw the photograph from college, the epiphany hit hard. Through the tears of anguish, rage, bitterness, and denial came the incredibly painful realization that I was responsible for my own unhappiness. I finally figured out that I had not grown up and had not truly embraced adulthood. This was six months ago.

I've made some profound changes in my life since then. First and foremost, I stopped blaming everyone else for my own problems. This was the hardest. For my entire life I was told - and I believed - that as a woman, I could do no wrong, that I was not responsible, that I was always the victim in some way. Over and over I had to tell myself that only I am responsible for my happiness.

Once I learned to stop blaming the world, I taught myself to be pleasant and nice. This was hard as well. I had always mistaken pleasantness for weakness. This is not the case. A new colleague at work - a woman from the South - showed me very clearly it's quite easy to be nice and be strong at the same time.

I also dumped my girlfriends. This was easy. This group of unhappy and negative women was actually encouraging me to do stupid things like divorce a perfectly good man because of my selfish and very arbitrary feelings of the moment. I finally learned that acting solely on feelings is the realm of children, not adults. Maybe those women will finally learn that. But I doubt it.

I'm at the gym every day. After being rebuffed by so many attractive and decent guys, I decided to apply standards of real equality to the whole dating thing. After all, if I believe in physical attraction, why should not I understand that men are the same way? Being fat means not being physically attractive to many, many men so it's up to me to do something about, not be angry with men about the situation. The weight is coming off. It's a battle, to be sure, but it's coming off. I'm also letting my hair grow and getting rid of that awful "mom" hair style.

I no longer read those loathsome women’s magazines nor do I watch a lot of TV. When I freed my mind from so many complete misconceptions about men, I learned that men are actually wonderful people. My sons saw my transformation. As they grow older and become men in their own right, I have stopped nagging them about "feelings" and "sensitivity" and encourage them to be men. I doubt I'll ever mend fences with my ex husband, all I can do is hope that he finds happiness and joy in his life. I have a new respect for him, a respect born from understanding that men are very different, not worse, just different. My ex is also an excellent father, I am blessed for that.

I've learned to accept that my needs aren't the center of the universe. That was actually quite liberating. No longer am I a slave to the whimsy of my often shallow emotions that can't be reasonably fulfilled. This means I complain less. If I can't change the situation, why complain about it? Winter is cold, my complaints about the temperature will do nothing to warm the air.

The biggest regret I have in life is being so weak as to not to have made the serious introspection until this point in my life. If I were truly strong, truly intelligent, I would have really thought about what is important to me instead of following the herd. In retrospect, clawing my up the corporate ladder was a very bad decision. Exploiting my femininity to manipulate men was even worse. I love being a woman but using sex to get what I want is no better than a man using brute strength to get what he wants.

I'm still single and dating still eludes me. There is a glimmer of hope, however, a very nice man complimented me on my smile. At 45 years old, that was the first time anyone has noticed my smile. My eldest son noticed it too, "Mom, I've never seen you smile until now." Life must get better for me. That's my responsibility, no one else's.

Amazing how sometimes people suddenly "find themselves" and become born-again humans once their sex appeal fades and they are FORCED to live on their humanity alone...

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Introducing the rarely used word misandry, defined as the hatred of men and the equivalent of misogyny (the difference being that we've all heard of misogyny). Examines the negative portrayal of men.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZAuqkqxk9A

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I’m inclined to believe that women just don’t understand us men. Women just can’t seem to understand that the only time smart men are willing to sign on the dotted line is when they’re young and horny, when they have no real assets to lose and before they really understand the principles of wealth creation (ie. early 20s). By the time smart men have a degree or two, a 401k and IRA, a house and a 6 figure income (or at least when they’re closing in on it) they’re not so keen to just give it away for yet another woman.

Then when the smart men hit their 30’s and their sex drive drops (from being “yeah i’ll sign anything to get a bit” to “wait a minute, this means you get everything”); all of a sudden, life is under the control of the “big head” and women don’t seem perplexed by us. Many women can’t seem to understand why we don’t act like horny teenagers anymore and these women refuse to accept that they have lost their power over us.

Brothers, in a special posting for dumpyourwifenow.com, Christian J out of Australia writes and delivers a newsworthy article on the affect of Feminism on women. With his kind permission we proudly post.

Feminism’s Affect On Women by Christian J of What Men are saying about “Women”.

Once more my hat is off to you. You were right, again. Although, like most of my species, I will never fathom comprehension of the female mind – I have seen the dynamics that perpetuate the Feminist Movement. They are Petulance and Envy.One of my friends is married with 4 (yes, four!) children – 3 girls, 1 boy. The oldest girl will turn 16 soon, and the boy will be 15 on his next birthday. The phrase ‘Chalk and Cheese’ is one that springs instantly to mind. The girl is outgoing, gregarious, outwardly confident, doing well at school and socially adept. The boy is morose, withdrawn, not doing well academically, exhibiting all of the classic attention-seeking, alienated behavior patterns; and rumor tells me he is bullying younger children at school. I look around the household and wonder why the siblings should be so markedly different. The answer is of course, gender. The mechanism of this disparity is the one who loves them most – their mother.

Visiting one evening, the girl was discussing her exam options and, spurred on by her mother (”Don’t get married too early, darlin'!”), her plans for the future; her career, her house, her husband, her children – IN THAT ORDER! There seemed to be an almost maniacal glee in the mother as the girl outlined the next 20 years of her life, almost like a train timetable. It later dawned on me that the mother had been married in the mid-80’s, and had chosen the wife/mother option, owing to her lack of academic achievement and poor employment prospects locally. No surprise then that after 20 years of Feminist “you can have it all – all you have to do is go out and get it!” propaganda and brainwashing, punted out to her generation and beyond, that the mother is more than a little resentful of her current situation.

According to this mother, her husband is to blame for holding her back. The Feminist propaganda and brainwashing machine told her so. I wonder if that was what she considered as she trotted down the aisle to her future ‘hindrance’?
It became all too clear to me that, like many generations of men previously living out their thwarted sporting fantasies through their sons, that this mother was attempting to live out her “alternate life fantasies” through her daughter.

And, what of the future? For the boy; probably a life touched by delinquency, unless something happens fairly quickly to steer him away from that path. For the girl, following the current pattern, early success to further fuel her sense of entitlement; intelligent, outgoing, assertive, attractive twenty-something females (as if there’s a shortage of them!) have the world at their feet. Her easy tendency to lift her hands and fists, to anything male she takes umbrage with, bodes ill for boyfriends and spouses and any future children when “The Reality Crash” comes.

The Bridget Jones Future.

As she joins the ‘Bridget Jones Club’ in her late twenties and early thirties, and her biological clock deafens the neighborhood, her perfect man will still be what he always is, a Feminist illusion. So far, everything has fallen into her lap as the Feminist handbook predicted. The career is established and the house being paid for. Life is looking pretty good for the modern girl; she’s got it all!

Then one morning, she realizes that her looks are fading, the next generation of ‘bright, young-things’ are snapping at her heels and the ‘romantic opportunities’ she cast aside in favor of her career are not sitting around with their thumbs in a certain orifice and their brains in neutral; waiting for her to change her mind! Perhaps, the hard reality of the situation will impact quickly and she will understand that human relationships are worked hard for, and earned – not a god-given right. The likelihood is that the 20 to 30-odd years of Feminist brainwashing will remain intact. It will never be her fault!

“Where are all the good men?” she will whine, as she stamps her little footie. As time passes, her search for Mr. Perfect – that wonderful physically perfect, caring and loving, intelligent and wealthy specimen of manhood that will keep her and her children in the style she would like to become accustomed to – will transform into the desperate search for Mr. Breathing-In-And-Out. Those ‘recreational’ sexual encounters, that she was in control of in her twenties, will become the out-of-control nightmares of her thirties, and beyond – each rejection tearing deeper and deeper into her inflated self-esteem and generating greater and greater resentment towards men ‘who only wanted her for one thing!’

Thus, her resentments are likely to create a self-fulfilling prophecy for her future relationships. It goes like this: If men are only out to use me, then I will be suspicious of men until one of them proves to me otherwise. The men, at the prospect of being treated like criminals by this woman for simply existing, will either shy away from, or drop out of the relationship fairly quickly. Thus, further reinforcing her resentments – and the vicious circle gets tighter and tighter.

The so-called, and much touted, historical ‘oppression’ of women by men will be brought into sharper focus and her perceived sense of ‘victim hood’ further stimulated. Once again the Feminist propaganda and brainwashing machine will pander to her now well-established misandric prejudice; absolving her of responsibility for her situation – blame the guys why don’t you? She may even find herself a Feminist therapist to help her deal with her depression; again reinforcing her resentments, pandering to her prejudices with constant ego-boosts – telling her that she has low self-esteem and that ‘all feelings (and, therefore, all behaviors) are valid’ and that she is entitled to feel the way that she does!! This also justifies her previous, and now future, behavior of doing whatever she wanted with scant regard for the feelings of others.

All too soon the window of reproductive opportunity closes, leaving a bitter lonely, resentful, man-hating woman to face a childless – and hence biological family-less future. She may meet a man seeking only companionship, however, her resentments and self-inflicted disappointments combined with her energies diverting into her career are likely to put paid to this fairly swiftly.

She may meet a man who already has children. She is, however, unlikely to relish the role of unpaid babysitter (to interfere with her career) – and further add to her other resentments – the fact she has no children of her own. It probably won’t last long!

In the end she discovers that she cannot cheat ‘Mother Nature’.

The Single Mother Future Alternatively, she may meet her ‘wayward, bad-boy, gorgeous hunk’ in her twenties and commit that most ridiculous of female errors, that she can “change him through marriage!”. They’ll make a fairy-tale couple, and the marriage will be exactly how it began, a totally unrealistic fairytale. When reality finally bites, many years later, and she admits to herself that the handsome, immature, philandering jerk she married is still an immature, philandering, jerk – and she hot foots it to the divorce court – the damage is already done.

She now faces a future with her children growing up without a father – and all the emotional, social and physical safety risks associated with that. The courts will give her custody of the children and the family home – after all the wastrel husband didn’t pay for it! As for the maintenance payments ordered by the courts, well, if he’d had a job he’d be able to pay! Her looks will be starting to fade, and she won’t be getting any younger! She will be carrying a truck-load of emotional baggage to dump onto either her offspring and/or potential boyfriend/spouse. Her career, which she put on hold, or curtailed, for the children, has stagnated; people will have been promoted over her; and the prospects don’t look good. Her standard of living will probably fall further, owing to increased costs as the children grow, and her stress levels will multiply manifold as she becomes not only primary career for her children, but also sole breadwinner.

Once again the Feminist propaganda and brainwashing machine will spring into life to support her. Her husband was a jerk, but, no matter, all men are jerks – you and the children are better off without him! The Feminist support groups and therapists will give her the ‘all feelings are valid’ nonsense (you know the rest!); and her lack of career success is down to the “Glass Ceiling” – she is being discriminated against by the patriarchal system that oppresses women like her (hallelujah, sisters!) Once again, it’s not her fault! She now makes the decision that her children need a real father, and the ordinary guys that slaved through their twenties to build a career structure and financial stability, although not as attractive as her ex-husband, suddenly become targets for her attention. She is then completely gob smacked, and deeply wounded, when these men want absolutely nothing to do with her, except perhaps for some ‘recreational’ sexual adventure – after all, why should they slave their guts out to be the dumping ground for her emotional baggage and a piggy-bank for her surly, snot-nosed brats? Faced with rejection – really, for the first time in her life; her resentments against men begin to grow and fester, the relationship expectations become self-fulfilling prophecies; once again, you know the rest.

The Feminists are again on hand to support and absolve her of responsibility for her crappy life, and help her to pass her prejudices of misandry onto her daughters, and also alienate her sons from society. The damaged adult produces damaged children, who grow into damaged adults, to produce damaged children. Then again, it wasn’t her fault; after all she was cheated of her ‘well deserved’ future by the patriarchal conspiracy, and her wastrel husband – conveniently forgetting that no one forced her to marry him! In the end she ends up with the worst of both worlds, and some very damaged children!!

Editor’s note: A fellow brother at the Don’t Get Married Forum named anarchiste sums it up best: “I would say that the greatest achievement of feminism has been to uncover the true nature of the human female. What we see now is the real nature of those creatures. Not a pretty sight to see, but how much better off we are now with that knowledge. And we are much better equipped now than we have ever been to deal with them.”

Ref: http://www.dumpyourwifenow.com/2006/12/17/feminisms-affect-on-women/

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By Paul Elam

Below is the entirety of a debate on domestic violence that I had with David "Manboobz" Futrelle. It was a fun debate that served its purpose. And part of that purpose was to demonstrate convincingly that in the world of blogging on men's issues, David is an unknown now for the same reasons he will remain one for all time.

He's a moron. He was, though, annoying enough to gain his 15 minutes of mediocrity.

Now that it's over, it's over. He won't be getting attention from AVfM again.

PE

And now for the debate.

David Futrelle of the blog Manboobz has agreed to enter a debate on the subject of domestic violence with me here at A Voice for Men. Since Mr. Futrelle maintains a blog in which he asserts that MRA’s have pretty much everything wrong, and in which he specifically claims he will, concerning MRA’s, “dismantle their rickety logic and dubious statistics,” it should follow that he will do just that on the subject of DV, starting right now.

During the brief negotiations it was decided that my excellent centerpiece article on domestic violence, and the research it was based on, will serve as the object of his dissent. For readers convenience I am posting the video version of that article and the research links here as well.

Find the rest at the link below.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/2010/10/25/a-debate-on-domestic-violence/

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Abusegate: Teaching Women to Falsely Accuse
Wednesday, February 17, 2010
By Carey Roberts

Ref: http://mensnewsdaily.com/2010/02/17/abusegate-teaching-women-to-falsely-...

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Confession of a feminazi

As I write this, I am aware that I am probably going to offend some readers, but, then again, I have found that we in society are afraid and unaccepting of the truth, therefore taking offense. I can not apologize for what I am about to say, however I can only hope to attempt to undo the wrong that I have done.

To start with, here is a little bit about myself. Before I was married, I was an extreme feminist, with the hopes and dreams of equality, having the same thoughts and beliefs as others in the fight for true equality. It wasn't like the feminists of today, who only want to gain complete control, power, and to have revenge, destroying everything that the true feminists have fought so hard for (true gender equality). It is my hope that by posting my story and comments, that it will encourage other women, (we/you know who you are), to come forward and to tell the truth about themselves and their experience. Here is my story, as shameful as it may be.

I am a single mother of two. When I decided to leave my marriage, (I was bored), I went to three different lawyers for advice. I was asked by all 3 of them if I was ever abused by my husband. My answer was, never in any way shape or form was my husband abusive towards me. To my utter disbelief, all of them told me the same thing. Unless I accused my husband of abuse, I would not gain sole custody of my children. They also told me that by making these allegations against him, that I would get EVERYTHING and more. When I asked them how we would prove the allegations, I was told that the courts don't require proof, and to go to a women's shelter, and that they would help me, and that it would support my allegations of abuse.

Having been brought up in a very religious family, I was very uncomfortable with this advice. I was then told by the lawyers, that if I wanted the full support of legal aid, I had no choice but to make the allegations against my husband. Having no money to pay for legal expenses, I did as I was advised. Reluctantly I took my children to a women's shelter. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. On the outside, it appears as they want the public and their funders to see it. This is however, far from the truth.

This place was a form of a cult, (for lack of a better term). Male bashing was a top priority, and the administration was very adamant about recruiting yet another woman (me), to join this man-haters club. They even have a game plan on how to win in court. By following their simple plan step by step, I would not only get sole custody of my children, but also the car, house and land, plus finances for the rest of my life.

However, if I did not follow their game plan, but if I played fairly, I would lose everything, and I would be endangering the lives of other women, and would jeopardize any funding for them. The administration must have noticed that their brain washing techniques were not working as fast as they wanted, so I was 'thrown' at the other women staying there.

Terms such as 'sperm donors', and that all men were abusive and must die, were used on a daily basis. They were very convincing, and not wanting to jeopardize my fellow house mates, I went along with their game plan.

As soon as I said that I would follow their game plan, things moved very quickly. I saw the man that I was once married to destroyed emotionally, financially and physically. I was granted sole custody of our children, and because of a restraining order, I gained the house and car, so that our children wouldn't lose everything that they were used to.

Not only was there a restraining order against him, he was also charged with assault. The man who had equally created our children, helped raise them, and who loves them dearly, was ordered to stay away from them, and to pay me, (more than I ever needed), support for them. Like I said, I destroyed him, leaving him with very little to survive.

My brother is now going through a custody battle, where my former sister-in-law is playing exactly the same game that was taught to me by a women's shelter, and my brother is in the same shoes that I once put my ex in.

Knowing how I destroyed my ex, and seeing the wrong that I had committed, I have made it my personal endeavor to help my brother with his fight. He recently joined a men's group, and he receives messages on the net from shared parenting, epoc_news etc.

As he was thrown out of his home, he now lives with me, which gives me the opportunity to read the messages from these groups. I must admit, sometimes there is a message or two that is of great help, but for the most part, these groups have to stop playing 'Mr. Nice Guy'.

Ref: http://www.invisionplus.net/forums/index.php?mforum=ct4m&showtopic=1522

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Department of Labor: Gender Wage Gap a Myth

by Welmer on March 8, 2010

Every now and then the Federal Government does a decent job of getting to the heart of the matter. Actually, this happens more frequently than one might think. I used to work with a lot of government reports, and I found a number of them to be very professional, objectively written documents. The real problem is that our politicians too often ignore them. In fact, I doubt our politicians read many at all; they probably just have adolescent staffers write little summaries or talking points for them to use in support of one piece of legislation or the other.

Read the full articulate at.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/03/08/department-of-labor-gender-wage-...

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