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Persistent empire

Owen Hatherley

Published 11 December 2008

The Liberal Defence of Murder Richard Seymour Verso, 358pp, £16.99

Persistent empire

Richard Seymour is a writer better known, through one of those pseudonyms that throw employers off the scent of those blogging in work time, as "Lenin". The gall of the name gives a hint of the sly wit of his blog, Lenin's Tomb, which has since 2003 been the online left's most con sistent, trenchant and mordantly funny source of information and polemic, besides offering excursions into history and political philosophy.

"The Tomb" has been noted for attacks on the "pro-war left", those liberals and ex-socialists associated with various convocations - the blog Harry's Place, the Euston Manifesto - which argue that the "Islamofascist" enemy must be fought by any means necessary. Essentially, this is the subject of Seymour's first book.

The Liberal Defence of Murder would have been enjoyable enough as a cut-and-paste collection of tidied-up Tomb posts, but over and above this it is a freshly written, heavily footnoted and clearly obsessively researched history of 400 years of the "decent left", from the Glorious Revolution of 1688 to Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003. This leads to minor flaws. The transfer from Seymour's pugilistic and waspish blogging manner to a more sober historical account leads to a slight loss of stylistic panache. The moralistic title is also unfortunate. Nonetheless, these are small gripes - Seymour overwhelmingly manages the transition from blogger to historian with great assurance.

Although by its own account the pro-war left emerged as a reaction to 11 September 2001, thereby "changing everything", Seymour restores a welcome sense of historical perspective to a discussion that too often shelters inside the shrill bubble of the media. The overarching concern of this book is with the intellectual apologias for capitalist expansion and empire that have existed since the very inception of capitalism, whereby the barbarities of imperialism are justified with recourse to the need for civilising the barbarians - the recent pro-war left being seen as an extension of this, not as a new development.

The first chapter is concerned with how certain Enlightenment thinkers refused to extend their project to "savages", and so we begin with the theoretical subordination of humanity to imperial property by Grotius and Locke. The concentration on ideas and thinkers is never empiricist anti-intellectualism: Seymour explains that others, such as Immanuel Kant, were far less convinced of imperialism's murderously civilising influence. The vicious imperialism of the 19th century is found to be the heyday of an enthusiastic, if rhetorically tortuous intellectual imperialism, exhibited by "humanitarians" such as John Stuart Mill and Alexis de Tocqueville. The account makes clear the fit between rhetoric and a reality of starvation and exploitation. The democratic ideal, it argues, curdled into "Herrenvolk (master race) democracy" solely for the conquerors, simultaneously pioneering a pseudo-scientific racial theory.

Even socialism, particularly in its more gradualist, reformist version, was not immune to an affection for the imperial bloodbath. The Fabians and the Labour Party (with noble exceptions such as Keir Hardie) were very seldom opponents of empire or of war. This combination of "pragmatism" and acquiescence or participation in the most senseless slaughter reached, in Seymour's account, a bloody apotheosis in the First World War, enthusiastically supported by the German Social Democrats. By contrast, the early Communist parties were unique in their principled opposition to the Great Game, at least until the sordid Comintern politicking of the 1930s. Through these analyses, Seymour makes clear that, in keeping with George Orwell's 1939 essay, the rhetoric of European liberalism always carried the unspoken clause "Not Counting Niggers".

The chapter "Creating an Imperial Constitu ency" notes how the US consciously inherited the imperial mantle in the name of "progressivism". After 1945 a body of reliable liberal opinion willingly excused such events as the anti-democratic coups in Iran and Guatemala, via invocations of liberalism, human rights and the natives' alleged inability to govern themselves. Yet another chapter involves an intriguing discussion of the much-mythologised neoconservatives. Charting the derivation of some neocons from an American post-Trotskyist milieu, Seymour makes clear that the notion of the neocons as a sinister intellectual cabal is an anti-intellectual overstatement. Rather, they were just the most recent and vociferous of generations of allegedly rationalist enthusiasts for blood and soil, from Heidegger to Leo Strauss.

There is a concluding analysis of the recent pro-war left, from those preposterous ex-Maoists, the nouveaux philosophes, to Paul Berman (whom we first meet writing in defence of the CIA's Nicaraguan death squads), Michael Ignatieff and Christopher Hitchens, cheerleading wars in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan and, above all, the gro tesque catastrophe in Iraq. Nonetheless, The Liberal Defence of Murder is probably more valuable as history than as polemic. It delves into areas that are usually politely ignored, carefully uncovering liberalism and reformism's own shameful record of collaboration with mass murder. Besides, if (as seems likely) the new US Democratic administration rehabilitates "humanitarian" imperialism, this book will be essential reading as a reminder of previous form.

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29 comments from readers

AthenaM
11 December 2008 at 21:03

I've been waiting for this to come out for ages..might as well get it for Xmas now. Can't wait to get stuck in, am a big fan of Lenin's Tomb.

Internationalist
12 December 2008 at 14:37

Richard Seymour is himself a member of a pro-war left and a sentimental liberal who defends murder.

However, whereas the likes of Nick Cohen and Oliver Kamm invariably support the imperialism with most firepower (the US), Seymour invariably supports the minor or local imperialism (e.g. Saddam's Iraq, the Islamic Republic of Iran and their proxies, the Cuba-Venezuela axis etc).

He consistently defends terrorist atrocities (so long as they are perpetrated by the US's enemies, but he is particularly appreciative of islamic terrorism). Anyone who challenges him on this point is - of course - denounced as an islamophobe or a racist, the classic liberal approach to closing down discussion.

This is not internationalism in the marxist sense it is a soppy and bogus transferred nationalism.

BegbiesEvilTwin
12 December 2008 at 22:46

Internationalist: Have you read it? I'm part way through it and so far your characterisation seems to have no reference to this review or the book itself.

BegbiesEvilTwin
12 December 2008 at 23:08

AthenaM: With the proviso that I have yet to complete the book, Owen Hatherley's description is IMHO accurate. I would also add that it's a wonderful tool in reviewing what actually occurred. That Richard actually gives context and sticks closely to what key players explicitly stated gives no room for the focus of his attention is especially useful. It shows how foolish the pro-war contingent really were.

Solovki
13 December 2008 at 09:40

Lord knows the half-century following 1956 saw its fair share of handwringing -- but it is a bad joke that your reviewer sees fit to accuse the reformist founders of this magazine of "collaboration with mass murder" and cheerleading the "imperial bloodbath" while remaining almost silent on the surely more vociferous violent imperialism of Lenin.

The idea that the Communists were a peace-loving anti-imperialist bunch "at least until the sordid Comintern politicking of the 1930s" is quite simply wrong, quite apart from the evasiveness bound up in the phraseology, which of course is far milder than anything applied to, say, the Fabians in this review.

Internationalist
13 December 2008 at 15:42

BegbiesEvilTwin, I have visited Lenin's Tomb for some time now and have no intention of buying the wretched book.

Seymour's position is to support any regime no matter how disgusting so long as it is opposed to the USA. To take just one example, he openly supports the Taliban.

He refuses to condemn even the most appalling acts of terrorism, and denounces anyone who finds islamism reactionary as a racist.

He is not a marxist. At best, his views are an extreme variant of American politically correct campus politics, according to which all white people are responsible for colonialism, slavery, war etc.

And yet, it is clear from his blog that he has his own brand of racism. He dislikes Israelis - not just the Israeli state, but Israeli workers. And he regards Germans as latent Nazis - a couple of years ago he drew comparisons between a Carnival procession in Düsseldorf and the Third Reich.

What more do you need to know?

People like Seymour give marxism a bad name and drive the white working class into the arms of the BNP.

leninology
14 December 2008 at 00:39

As I am misrepresented by the 'Internationalist' here, may I just correct a few of his assertions?

1) I have neversupported any regime just as long as it is opposed to the USA. I do not, for example, support the Mugabe regime, or the North Korean one.

2) I do not dislike 'Israelis', nor have I ever expressed a dislike of 'Israelis'. I dislike Zioinism, which is a political doctrine.

3) I do not regard 'Germans' as latent Nazis. Quite the opposite: I regard most ordinary Germans as hostile to Nazism. The 'comparison' I drew was between a racist depiction of Muslims at a carnival, in which the cliched depiction of Muslims as bloody murderers ('Cliche') was contrasted with the 'real' depiction of Muslims as bloody murderers ('Reality').

Kind regards,

Richard Seymour

BegbiesEvilTwin
14 December 2008 at 02:42

Hey Richard,

Are you organising any talks regarding your book?

BegbiesEvilTwin
14 December 2008 at 02:56

Internationalist: That's a pretty strong set of accusations to make. Now that Richard has clarified his position may I suggest that going half-cocked like that is not only divisive but gives "marxism a bad name" ?

CosmicGnome
14 December 2008 at 11:59

An accurate, succinct, and incisive review, Mr Hatterly, particularly your contention that Seymour's work "is probably more valuable as history than as polemic."

Though, being neither American nor British, I'm intrigued by your systematic misspelling of the book's title, re-Anglicizing Seymour's New World spelling of "Defense" (or has 'niche marketing' now infected everything?).

A defenz?

AthenaM
14 December 2008 at 12:01

Hi Richard - I'd also like to know if you'll be doing any talks or official launch of the book? Would ideally like a signed copy. Really appreciate your hard work and thorough research and so glad to hear it's selling like hot cakes :D

leninology
14 December 2008 at 12:35

In answer to BegbiesEvilTwin and AthenaM, there will be more speaking arrangements in the future. The formal launch of the book will take place in January, and in that month I anticipate doing a talk at Bookmarks. When I have confirmed dates and venues, be assured they will be posted on the blog.

Best wishes,

Richard

ps: CosmicGnome, the book's title is spelled the 'proper' way in the UK version, with a 'c'.

Silvano
14 December 2008 at 23:27

Both world leaders and wicked scientists love the ignorant sociteies in order to tell them liar and they will gree with them. This is why ,the politicians pay these foolish scientists to do their stupidity work in public places. They encourage anti-intellectaulism both is schools and around the public places, therefore the world are being leading like a blind people.

Internationalist
16 December 2008 at 11:12

leninology:

1. The Mugabe and North Korean regimes are not in direct conflict with the USA. I notice you omitted to mention the Taliban, which is. Does that mean they they still enjoy your support?

2. During the Hizbollah-Israel conflict you defended the shelling of Israeli civilians. This goes way beyond dislike of Zionism.

3. You drew an entirely inappropriate comparison between the satirical depiction of terrorists during a Carnival procession and the Nazi ideology that led to the murder of six million Jews.

Kind regards

AthenaM
16 December 2008 at 13:26

Thanks Richard - see you at the launch. Enjoy the festive season in the meantime and may your book continue to fly from the shelves :D

leninology
16 December 2008 at 14:41

The 'Internationalist' is assiduous with his falsehoods.

1) He said that I supported any regime that opposed the US, not any group engaged in armed combat with American troops. He now concedes, without wishing to appear to, that this was false. The Taliban, though I don't in fact support them at any rate, are not a regime.

2) I did not 'defend' the shelling of civilians by Hezbollah. I pointed out that Israel was the aggressor and had far greater means to avoid killing civilians. I also pointed out the findings of a Knesset member, who said that Hezbollah's shellings were a response to Israeli attacks, since Israel positioned tanks in civilian areas next to housing. Subsequent reports confirmed that Israel did exactly what they (falsely) accused Hezbollah of doing: using human shields. Even if I had 'defended' the shelling of civilians, it need not necessarily have reflected a dislike of 'Israelis', which I have never expressed. It may well have been argued that such tactics were a military necessity in an asymmetric war. The fact that I did not even argue that much is indicative of how far removed the 'Internationalist' is from reality.

3) He claimed that I regarded ordinary Germans as Nazis. Now the claim is revised: instead I am accused of drawing an 'inappropriate comparison' between a carnival float and Nazi ideology. This is hardly the same thing. The depiction I referred to was of a well-known Islamophobic caricature of blood-thirsty Muslims, not of 'terrorists' (who do not generally bear scimitar swords, or engage in their operations fully bearded and wearing unwieldy religious dress). The dehumanising depiction was described by defenders as 'irreverent'. I compared this with 'irreverent' antisemitic imagery to highlight the absurdity of referring to racist imagery as 'irreverent'. The 'Internationalist' may disagree with my assessment of that depiction, but he is not entitled to defame me in this fashion.

Internationalist
16 December 2008 at 20:36

1. You supported the Taliban when it was a regime and you support them now that they are a regime in waiting. Purely on the basis that they are fighting the US.

2. You certainly did defend the shelling of innocent Israeli civilians and you have just done so again. The only possible Marxist position in this situation is to condemn both sides in the conflict, both the IDF and Hizbolllah, the one financed by the USA and the other a proxy for Iran. Maybe you haven't read the bit in the Communist Manifesto where it says workers have no country. All nationalist movements are reactionary. The call should be for workers in Lebanon, Israel and Palestine to unite against their rulers and bosses. But you are not a Marxist, as you have proved; you are a guilt-ridden liberal.

3. You drew an inappropriate comparison between a perfectly legitimate caricature of terrorist bombers at a Carnival procession and a regime that murdered of six million Jews. Thus you insulted both Germans and Jews at a stroke by trivializing the Holocaust and suggesting that tens of thousands of ordinary Germans who took part in a Carnival procession are Nazis. The Nazi regime is a deeply painful memory for both Jews and Germans and you exploited this pain to make a cheap political point.

Internationalist
16 December 2008 at 21:46

Here is a good example of Seymour's arab nationalism and hostility towards Israelis. A post on his blog from August 2006:

"However, it is important not to forget that Israel's loss provides a vital window for its other targets. As Sy Hersh reports:

"The surprising strength of Hezbollah’s resistance, and its continuing ability to fire rockets into northern Israel in the face of the constant Israeli bombing, the Middle East expert told me, “is a massive setback for those in the White House who want to use force in Iran. And those who argue that the bombing will create internal dissent and revolt in Iran are also set back.”"

In other words, what is important about the shelling of Israeli civilians is that it is a setback for one side in a conflict which has only brought pain and suffering for working class people on BOTH sides of the border.

OK, if you read the article right through to the end, you will find a vague reference to working class struggle at some stage in the distant future but in the meantime Seymour pins his hopes on an "independent" arab nationalism. (Independent of what? Iran? Syria? Russia? Or just the USA?)

There is little attempt to distinguish between Israelis and Zionism. Seymour snidely criticizes them for putting their own safety first."Israelis have tended to be more angry with Olmert and the failure to stop rockets hitting the north of the country than anything else" Well there's a surprise.

Again, the only possible Marxist and internationalist position here is to point out that neither Lebanese NOR Israelis have anything to gain from this gangster war.

But Seymour, like every propagandist for bourgeois wars throughout history, is too busy trying to prove which side fired first. Only a fool asks who fired the first shot in a gun fight between gangsters. Read what (the real) Lenin or Luxemburg said about the First World War.

http://leninology.blogspot.com/2006/08/peace-dividend

leninology
17 December 2008 at 10:06

"You supported the Taliban when it was a regime and you support them now that they are a regime in waiting. Purely on the basis that they are fighting the US. "

Etc etc. This is pure fabrication, without any substance whatsoever.

Internationalist
17 December 2008 at 11:14

Well Mr Seymour, you recently used your blog to promote an article from the SWP's monthly that stated:

"In this situation many on the left, and in the peace movement, in North America, Europe, India and Pakistan don’t want the Americans to actually leave. They want some kind of controlled settlement that excludes the Taliban. This is a fantasy. The Taliban have walked the walk and earned their place at the table."

That sounds pretty supportive to me. Of course in your own articles you talk about "the Afghan resistance" rather than naming the Taliban, but it amounts to support for terror.

Every single time that I have invited you to condemn Taliban atrocities, you have deleted my comments - and those of others - from your blog.

The marxist position on terrorism is clear and unequivocal: "Proletarians condemn terrorism in all its forms whoever perpetrates it."

You by contrast only offer a liberal defense of murder. Your politics stink just as much as the politics of Nick Cohen and the other warmongers but you are also much less honest.

In particular, you are totally incapable of engaging with dissenting voices on your blog, where only sycophants get airspace.

BegbiesEvilTwin
18 December 2008 at 00:22

Internationalist: Can you give me a specific reference

as to where you acquired that Marx quotation? It didn't

look right to me so I did a google search -using your

quotation marks- and the only result cropping up is on

an article from December 15th on the IBRP website

regarding the recent Mumbai attack. Are we to

assume the hairy old bugger has risen from the dead

and is now blogging for the International Bureau for

the Revolutionary Party?

FTR: I have no association with Lenin or the SWP.

BegbiesEvilTwin
18 December 2008 at 00:29

Internationalist: I don't suppose you're real name is David Toube of Harry's Place?

BegbiesEvilTwin
18 December 2008 at 00:30

Oops crap grammar.

Internationalist
18 December 2008 at 13:22

BegbiesEvilTwin I'm sure it is true that you have no connection with Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, but don't you find it demeaning to work as Richard Seymour's full time toady?

How much does he pay?

Meanwhile try googling "Why Marxists Oppose Individual Terrorism", a pamphlet written by one Leon Trotsky, long before he became the butcher of Kronstadt.

BegbiesEvilTwin
19 December 2008 at 01:07

Look at Lenin's blog every so often but that's as far as it goes. Nor am I a member of or aligned to any political organisation/project either.

I'm up for sale to the person who has made the best case. If you did I would have supported you instead (truth).

As for your Marxist/terrorism quote, you say "The marxist position on terrorism is clear and unequivocal" then you make the quote from (you claim) Trotsky but apart from one tiny deranged Trot blog, I can't find the bloody quote online.

As for the deranged claim that marxists not doing terror it's obvious bollocks. There are probably more variations of marxism than there are marxists. Plenty of terror groups were heavily infomed by some variation of marxism eg Baader-Meinhof/RAF, the (later) SPK/IZRU, PFLP, MPLA and the Official IRA.

Incidentally Marx employed servants in his home. He had an affair with one of them. He was a genuinely interesting and significant thinker but only a fool would take his claims -never mind his gimps- claims at face value.

You're have yet to make a decent case. It's time to up your game or give in gracefully.

AthenaM
19 December 2008 at 10:52

Internationalist, you really must get a hobby other than the constant smearing of an author striving for an end to the brutality of imperialism and war.

Internationalist
19 December 2008 at 11:08

"the constant smearing of an author striving for an end to the brutality of imperialism and war."

I would never do any such thing. But Mr Seymour does not come anywhere close to fulfilling that description, and there's the problem.

Imperialism is not a one way street; there are many competing imperialisms at work in the world and opposing just one of them on the basis that it is the biggest and has most firepower is just absurd.

Seymour turns a blind eye to the brutality of lesser imperialisms (Iran, China, Russia etc.) and their proxies (or at most tries to minimize and relatavize them). He also acts as a cheerleader for reactionary islamism and arab nationalism.

The fact that he deletes all critical comment on his blog (and having done so, allows his groupies and sycophants to launch ad hominem attacks and smears on critics) only underlines the weakness of his position.

AthenaM
19 December 2008 at 15:53

It's fine though because Murdoch, the BBC and those ruling the world are on the case of the other 'lesser imperialisms' so don't you worry your little head about them. Let Richard Seymour and the global anti-war movements deal with the big stuff.

gez pearce
20 December 2008 at 05:49

"BegbiesEvilTwin I'm sure it is true that you have no connection with Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov, but don't you find it demeaning to work as Richard Seymour's full time toady?

How much does he pay?"

What a banal comment. BegbiesEvilTwin has just approached the book with an open mind.

As a conservative I read Seymours, Cohen and Anthony’s books with trepidation.

To my surprise I found Seymour’s the most moderate. The other two were hate filled and as Hari pointed out full of mistakes and contradictions.

Also with Cohen and Anthony books there is a mother adoration aspect than makes one a little nauseous. Reminds me of those competitors on X factor who role out their grannies to get extra votes.

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