The two debate lies that could nail Mitt Romney
Has Obama given Romney enough rope to hang himself with?
By John Stoehr Published 05 October 2012 16:58
Most observers here are saying President Barack Obama lost the first presidential debate with Mitt Romney, and perhaps they are right. The Republican nominee was eager to make his case before millions of television viewers. He was polite, witty, sympathetic to the plight of the middle class, and in command of the format. More importantly, he looked like a human being.
The president, on the other hand, was wonky and dry, more Explainer-in-Chief than Commander-in-Chief. He let Romney push him into a corner. He was on his heels. He didn't fight back. And he didn't use an arsenal of counterattacks available to him, like, "How can you stand there and tell the American people that you care about them when we know how you feel about 47 per cent of them." Predictably, this drove liberals, Democrats, and admirers crazy.
As The Daily Beast's Andrew Sullivan, an Obama supporter, said:
[T]his was a disaster for the president for the key people he needs to reach, and his effete, wonkish lectures may have jolted a lot of independents into giving Romney a second look.
Obama looked tired, even bored; he kept looking down; he had no crisp statements of passion or argument; he wasn't there. He was entirely defensive, which may have been the strategy. But it was the wrong strategy. At the wrong moment [my italics].
James Carville, who was President Bill Clinton's adviser, said on CNN:
I had one overwhelming impression [that] it looked like Mitt Romney wanted to be there and President Obama didn't want to be there. ... I think he wanted to be there. I think he knew he needed this, and I think Obama gave the sense he wasn’t happy to be at this debate.
Matt Bai, a reporter for The New York Times, suggested that perhaps the president expressed a lack of enthusiasm for the job of being president.
Mr. Obama’s goal, it seems, was to indicate his continued willingness to serve in a job he believes he can do better than the other guy, but that doesn’t really seem to enervate or enliven him. That’s a problem, and not only for the duration of the campaign.
Yet much of this is surely overblown. If Obama did lose the debate, it's in part because the commentariat tells us he did, and much of the commentariat is telling us he did because, I suspect, it's applying the normative values of "American Idol" contestants to the ambiguities of presidential candidates.
That's why we are hearing so much about how Romney looked like he really wanted to be there, how confident he appeared and ready to be in charge. Obama, on the other hand, didn't appear to have anything to prove. He didn't want it enough. Meanwhile, the pundits forget Obama is the incumbent, and by nature of being the incumbent, he doesn't have anything to prove. It's the challenger's burden to prove the president is no longer fit to serve.
Still, when seasoned liberals start panicking, you worry. Bob Moser, of The American Prospect, wondered which Obama will show up next time, and what he will do when Romney hurls salvos of equivocation and mendacity.
The question for the remaining debates is no longer the one people were asking prior to Denver: 'Which Romney will show up?' It’s which Obama will show up—the half-asleep one who declined to debate on Wednesday night, or the jolted-awake one who so effectively hammered his opponent’s dishonesty half a day too late?
But here's the thing: What if the real Obama was there? Think about it. What if the president was setting a trap for Romney? It's not as odd as it sounds.
First, the real effect of this debate, as with any debate, probably won't be felt for another few days during which time pollsters will attempt to measure public opinion. Meanwhile, the punditocracy will cycle and recycle the debate until no one remembers what happened, only what it says happened.
While there will be time spent wondering why the president wasn't more assertive, and time spent speculating on how Romney's "win" will give him a bounce in the polls, that will fade, and eventually the substance of the debate will come to the fore, and that's where the president has set a trap.
Romney's fundamental liability, among many cosmetic liabilities, has been that he lies. A lot. Steve Benen, who blogs for MSNBC's The Rachel Maddow Show, has attempted to document them all (a heroic effort), but Romney's reputation as a dissembler has not yet risen to the level of national consciousness. With 58 million people watching the debate, however, that may soon change.
The president did appear to be on the defensive, but like a counter-punching boxer, that may have been to his advantage. I don't mean to make Obama seem cleverer than need be here, but he was able to do in 90 minutes what many journalist have failed to do since Romney began running: pin him down. And knowing that he was being pinned down, Romney did what he does. He lied.
What happened? Obama told the truth.
Romney's budget proposal includes tax cuts for the rich, tax hikes for the middle class. I won't go into the details, but that's right. It has been known for months, and many say the effects of the plan would be a campaign-killer if the effects of the plan were well known. So guess what was Romney's reaction was? Nope, nuh-uh. I don't support a $5trn tax cut, no tax hike on the middle class.
So Big Lie No. 1.
Second, Obama said Romney wants to repeal Obamacare but doesn't say what he will replace it with. Romney said his plan will prevent private insurance companies from discriminating on the basis of so-called preexisting conditions, as Obamacare does. That's true except for being entirely false.
Romney has said anyone who already has insurance will enjoy health care protection under his proposal. As for everyone else, his senior adviser told Talking Points Memo that the Romney replacement plan will actually leave that up to states. In other words, Romney has no plan to protect the sick from discrimination unless they already have insurance, which is already the law.
So Big Lie No. 2.
Remember, the president is the incumbent. The burden of proof is on the Republican nominee's shoulders, and for all the talk about his victory, no one is saying that he made a convincing case that the president's time is up.
Conversely, all Obama has to do to win is cast doubt on Romney. He continued to portray himself as the most reasonable man in the room, above the fray, and deeply concerned about the health and welfare of ordinary Americans. At the same time, he made one solid point. That Romney isn't on the level.
Romney says he'll repeal Obamacare, but doesn't say what he'll replace it with. He says he'll cut taxes by 20 per cent, but doesn't say how he'll pay for it. Over the next few days, as the commentariat chews on the debate, all the talk about posture, eye contact and poor moderating will dissipate, but what will rise to the top is that Romney lied about two of the major concerns of the day.
All of this combined may cast an enormous shadow of doubt over the Romney campaign. If voters are doubtful, they may choose to stick with Obama.
By remaining cool and likeable, and by speaking the plain truth, Obama might have given Romney just enough rope to hang himself with. Time will tell of course, but time is the very thing that's on the president's side.
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It's "pored", not "poured".
Heard of 'rope a dope'?
Romney was on some speed to keep his awake since he did not sleep the night before. His face look bad and angry. He looked sick. His hair did not look the same either. During the debate I was sure he was on something for sure. No one questioned this.......his outrageous, rude behavior.
He had a head-cold & he still stomped Barry's hiney...
If I find it interesting the alternate universes leftists in the U.S. as well as their counterparts in Europe like to erect, where governments are permitted to spend mythical amounts of money on programs which ultimately enslave their people with unending taxes, but do not ultimately defy the economics of extreme debt, as these leftists wish. Open your eyes: the socialist experiment is failing...again! Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Ireland, and now it looks like France is joining in on the collapse. You can spin this any way you like, but reality is showing that socialism is collapsing. It's only a matter of time, and you in the U.K. will be on the ropes, too. The U.S. is struggling because of it's ridiculous foray into socialism a la the Community Reinvestment Act and pumping the housing sector with phoney money all as a result of a corrupt overreaching socialistic government along with bank collusion. We did better as a country when we actually were about the private sector, and were not mirroring European socialism. Obama bit the dust in the debate, because he is nothing but a figment of the left's imagination, an empty chair masquerading as some sort of charismatic leader. He's the left's mythical leader who has piled an additional $6 trillion in debt, has not had the leadership to pass a budget in his entire presidency, presided over the worse unemployment record since the depression, and shoved another huge entitlement down the throats of our country, which is turning into a debacle. And now his foreign policy is collapsing. He has made our country weaker and more divided just about through every decision he's made. HE is the American Idol president. He's been nothing but an empty suit, masquerading as an empty chair. The Emperor has no clothes, etc. and this past Wednesday the American people actually saw what the left-wing media (our very own US version of Pravda) has been trying to conceal for the past four years, he's nothing but a hollow man wedded to a failed ideology. On Nov. 6th, the U.S. will hopefully end the Truman Show we've been stuck in the past four year, will face the facts and kick this guy out, along with all his Alinskyite sycophants, and begin the real work of repairing all the damage his presidency has caused. You like him simply because he's as deluded as you on the European left are. Well you can have him along with your failed experiment. We're moving on.
"We're moving on."
and you are deluded enough to think that by electing a bloke who is indistinguishable from G.W. Bush you will achieve progress?
or can you explain just how Romney's policies are different from those of Bush?
Greece is not a "socialist experiment", and Ireland is not failing for the reasons you think. Because europe is more socialistic than the US, and it has problems, you assume that's due to overspending on welfare, etc.?
But that's not what's actually happening at all. In reality, Greece's welfare state is well below average for the EU. Ireland, despite a high basic welfare payment, actually has relatively low spending on social protection overall.
What's happening in europe is more down to the opposite- a failed experiment with deregulation/neoliberalism. Things like welfare, spending can be caught from budget to budget, but crony capitalism, housing bubbles and forced bailouts can't. If socialism was a "failed" experiment, it wouldn't have justed suddenly exploded.
Also, can you explain how the strong social democracies of Scandanavia are not collapsing?
People will disagree, have different views on how to drive an economy. But there's something really wrong when so many people based their views on a factually incorrect idea.
Here's some real stats on Greece:
Greece is not a "socialist experiment", and Ireland is not failing for the reasons you think. Because europe is more socialistic than the US, and it has problems, you assume that's due to overspending on welfare, etc.?
But that's not what's actually happening at all. In reality, Greece's welfare state is well below average for the EU. Ireland, despite a high basic welfare payment, actually has relatively low spending on social protection overall.
What's happening in europe is more down to the opposite- a failed experiment with deregulation/neoliberalism. Things like welfare, spending can be caught from budget to budget, but crony capitalism, housing bubbles and forced bailouts can't. If socialism was a "failed" experiment, it wouldn't have justed suddenly exploded.
Also, can you explain how the strong social democracies of Scandanavia are not collapsing?
People will disagree, have different views on how to drive an economy. But there's something really wrong when so many people based their views on a factually incorrect.
Here's some real stats on Greece:
roarmag.org/2011/06/roar-on-bbc-world-dont-blame-the-greeks/
But he can sing! Biden said he is intelligent and well-spoken. Hope there is no October "wag-the-dog"...
Do you find comfort in labeling? Does it assuage the growing panic you feel over the fact that your candidate is a fumbling liar who apparently isn't aware that he's on record taking every conceivable side of every issue? And why are you even speaking about macroeconomics? You clearly don't understand the discipline, so why venture an opinion, especially when your guy's plan LITERALLY balloons the budget past what President Obama is spending. If you don't like the current deficit, why are you voting to make it larger?
Really, I'm seriously asking here: is the success of the Republican Party really worth more to you than the health of the nation? Because you can't defend Romney's record of lying. I'd love to see you try, but it would be a fairly simple matter to BURY you in audio and video of Romney's mendacity. So either you're of the opinion that the guy who's got a track record for lying would make a great President, or you just really want the Democrat out of the White House, consequences be damned. Which is it?
MSNBC reported on the afternoon of the debate that Romney was so tense that he did not sleep. He looked terrible, face and hair, and appeared to be frantic and sleep deprived. What drug did he take to make him so hyper.
His domination of the time was nasty and rude. Who in their right miond would be impressed. The moderator was treated as if he was not there. Romney could have cared less he was there. His answers to his questions were those that he memorized before the debate and he was hell bent to spit them out.
He was nothing but rude and did not follow any of the agreed upon debate rules. Obama had to be shocked with all the lies, so which was he to respond to. He did not get down to his level and did follow them. He pleaded with the moderator to enforce the rules. But he stayed Presidential and answered all the questions asked in his cool manner without telling lies.
The alleged commentators were impressed with Romney's bulling and did nothing to talk about his lies, frantic behavior, and rudeness. Matthews and Ed Schultz of MSNBC were out of control as well since the President did not clear what he would say with him and had a check off list of what he wanted them to say. Maddow was ineffective as well while going along with Obama.
(BTW, NATE SILVER SAID THAT MOST SITTING pRESIDENTS LOOSE THE FIRST DEBATE. ) BUT i AM NOT SURE BARACK DID.
Romney's mean, Big bird, dog on roof, "he lies", he's a Mormon, too rich, not enough taxes, no taxes, ships jobs overseas... whew! How about Obama has no plan ,no budget, too many unelected Czars, Obamcare/tax, caught lying about Bengazi embassy murders while in Vegas, caught lying about Mexico Fast & Furious Gun running project, has no message except "it's not that bad and wait for me, I can do it if you give me another 4 years please"? He's in over his head! I'll bet the NS columnists & bloggers are busy writing their dual articles about our election outcome. 4 weeks from today. Love to know how they are going to spin this Democrat flop! I'm going to bet Racism...
It seems that this article forgets to mention that Obama also made plenty of lies in the past 4 years with loads of unfulfilled promises waiting to be fulfilled.
They are both bad and both liars, it comes down to track record vs track record and Romney simply has the better one even though it's not on same scale and there's a big chance of him blowing it up when it gets to the large scale.
You need to read a dictionary to explain the word lie. Obama's broken promises are not lies but in ability to find enough republicans to comprise with in the congress.
Romney stance on abortion and taxes are lies.
Nice, well written article, it's interesting that you bring up how Obama may be leading Romney into a trap, as it's something I've seen mentioned a couple of times in the past two days. The points appear to be further validated by the polls remaining more or less steady, and It will be interesting to see wether Obama capitalises on Romney's statements.
Excellent analysis and something that occurred to me also; that just letting Romney talk (complete with bug-eyed over stimulated affect) would be enough rope to hang him with. I wonder however whether the American public is up to the nuance of this approach. They were looking for punches to connect and blood to be let. It appeared as though Obama didn't feel well and I think the observation by Al Gore that he had just arrived in Denver a few hours before may be salient; I flew into Denver from sea level myself once and it takes days to acclimate and get rid of the headache and sleepinessfrom the lower oxygen levels. There's also jet lag and the time difference to take into account. Romney reportedly had been in Denver for quite a while practicing for the debates.
Also look into today's stink about whether Romney snuck notes onto the podium; unless he was just putting a hankerchief onto the dais in advance, it sure looks suspicious. I wouldn't put it past him, he reminds me so much of one of those kids in school who tried to bewilder the teacher with BS rather than just doing the homework.