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Strip clubs: some battles aren't worth fighting

For three years, "John Doe" went to lapdancing clubs every other month. Here, he graphically describes the experience - and argues that feminist articles on stripping often miss the mark.

Frisky business. Photo: Getty
Frisky business. Photo: Getty

 

The female journalist gawping at the horrors of the lap dancing club is a recent journalistic trend. They seem to be searching for a great revelation about exploitation, but it never quite comes. Then they usually have a lapdance, which they're mystified to find isn't very pleasurable. Here's one in the Evening Standard last year: "I don't want to judge these women; I suspect I had many more options in life than they did. But nor do they need patronising. If your best option is to show your clitoris for cash, the rest of your choices frankly suck." It's a strange, oxymoronic form of sisterly affection: the well-heeled, well-meaning female journalist telling the poor stripper her life sucks. Stripper's fault or society's? It's left unsaid.

Earlier this year there was a classic of the genre by Amelia Gentleman in the Guardian, who over the course of 5,000 words revealed the club's owner was grumpy and that sometimes the girls make less money than on other days. What always gets me about these pieces is that they never seem to talk to the men in the club. Why are they there? What are they hoping to get from it?

For three years, I went to lapdancing clubs every other month. It was part of the culture at my work, which was at a horrible little media firm in east London. I'm afraid I can't tell you I was bullied into it, or faced overwhelming peer pressure. If I'd chosen not to go, I doubt I'd have been judged. But everyone used to go, so I did too.

You pay an entry fee of £20. Then you're shown to a table and you order drinks, which cost at least £5 each. You might not have even seen a nipple, and already you're £25 down. The place itself has a sort of provincial night club feel - it's not that sordid, but the carpets are a little sticky.

At the front of the club, there's a pole, on which a girl is performing. Every five minutes or so, the DJ - whose taste in music will tend towards the T-Pain school of autotuned R&B bullshit - will call a new girl up to the stage. Pole dancing is, when performed by the best, a feat of impressive athleticism. The standard of the girls' performances will vary. The very best are usually adept at other forms of dance. They clearly enjoy the process of performance, grinning at the punters and showing off all sorts of gyratory tricks. I think there's an element of wanting to show up their less athletic workmates, too. For a start, it means they're likely to make more money throughout the evening.

After a while, you'll be approached by a girl. She'll ask how you're getting on, and pull up a seat alongside you.  Then you talk. She might ask you to buy her a drink (champagne: she'll get commission on this). Eventually she'll ask you if you want a lapdance - either where you are, for £20, or behind a curtain, for £40. Here's the Evening Standard reporter: "[It] was about as erotic as taking out the rubbish. And not just because my friend was in embarrassed hysterics next to me. As a man-fancier, I know I am not the target market, but I can't see what anybody gets out of it. The dancers look bored and everything about the club is joyless. It is surely sex with everything enjoyable edited out: from real intimacy to simple satisfaction."

Funny thing is, it's the same for us men. It's not unpleasant, not at all - but we know it only gives the impression of eroticism - how erotic, really, can a human being waving her genitals in your face be? And we know it only gives the impression of intimacy - there is no affection, no giving of anything other than mild titillation on her part, and money on ours. You think we don't get that? You really think we're so wired to our cocks that we'd pay £40 to stare at a groin for a couple of minutes? In this day and age? When porn is so readily accessible, when most teenagers have seen more anal sex than our parents did in their entire lifetimes?

It's all about a power struggle, the lapdancing club - the journos have got that right - but it isn't about the dance. You see, that's the trade-off for what goes before. Here's why we go: because it's full of really beautiful girls to flirt with. And really beautiful girls are hard to even get close enough to flirt with: they know they're hot, and so does every other guy. Here, they're throwing themselves at you.

Given how exploitative and demeaning it's supposed to be, it's funny how men talk in hushed tones about the possibility of pulling a stripper. It's never going to happen, is it? But still, you put in the work. You do a bit of reading up on eastern Europe, because that's where a lot of them come from, and it breaks the ice. You try to make your job sound more interesting than it is. You talk to them - straight away - about what they do when they're not stripping, because they're just performing a role, like Sartre's waiter. And who are they really, these girls?

- She just started a property business
- She's studying creative writing at Kingston University.
- She's studying paleoanthropology at UCL.
- She works in the bedding department at John Lewis
- She does part-time work for a homeless charity

All stuff I don't know the first fucking thing about, but I'm happy to talk about it. Who doesn't like talking to other people about their lives - sociopaths aside? You read the newspapers on this, and the assumption seems to be that men just go there for a flash of tits and ass. I repeat - they're the trade off for being allowed to play the game.

You don't believe me, do you?

After all: why would you pay so much to play a game you can't win? Well. Here's the bit the journalists haven't told you about. The last time I went, a friend of mine was behind the curtain when the girl started rubbing herself on his cock. She kept doing it, and doing it, and then - well, turns out girl was a squirter. Boom. Poor guy had to take a taxi ride home with lady juice all over his tailored trousers. And another friend - he got invited back to the girl's house. They started getting jiggy on the sofa. He went down on her. Then her eight-year-old son walked in, which killed the mood. Me, I've just been snogged and groped. Maybe they just thought it an acceptable way to get a lot  more money out of me. I don't consider myself one of the world's greatest lookers, so I chose not to head down that particular rabbit hole.

But you can do all that in a normal club, and you don't have to pay for it!

Yeah, I know. Well, here's the thing about men. We're lazy. And most of us have realised the harder we try, the more we fuck things up. Here the rules are pretty simple. You've got ten minutes to charm them, before dance time. You'll usually fail - who the hell would want to date a guy she met in a strip joint - but that's fine, because it means there's no pressure. Also, if you'll permit me to speak like a real twat: people see Wayne Rooney bang in a thirty yarder, but don't see the work that goes in on the training ground.

And then comes the dance. . . Usually it's soulless. Occasionally there's a connection, and things get gropey. Which is fun, kind of like you're both 15 again. Quite often you get the dance, carry on flirting, get another one. It's like buying drinks in a bar, but a fuck sight more expensive and with far less chance of getting laid. And weirdly, that's ok. Of course, they need your cash a lot more than you need to see their bodies. So who wins? The person who's demeaned herself by taking their clothes off, or the person who's demeaned himself by handing over money to watch her demean herself? The answer is no one, really. Score draw, with no hearts broken, no awkward exchanges in the morning.

One day, I just stopped going. I wasn't in a relationship, I didn't have a Damascene conversion - I just stopped. I don't think it had any lasting impact on me. Feminists say we should ban the clubs. Maybe they're right. But the letches will letch somewhere else, and the girls will lose a source of income. There are some battles that just aren't worth fighting. 

13 comments

Tim Harvey's picture

Heres the thing at the end of the day if girls didn't want to do the job they could walk out and never go back again if they truely but most usually do it to either pay there way through uni or pay for family or purely for the money and yes I do agree there are some dodgy clubs and the girls are mistreated and those clubs where that happens should be closed or monitored but ultimately as long as people are happy doing what there doing let them just get on with it I used to be a regular to strip and I never really there for the nudity as such for me it was a place I could chill out in and relax in without any hassles from drunken idiots and and to be fair as a single man who doesn't enjoy flirting with beautfiful people as a customer I have never misbehaved or disrespected the girls as it goes through being a regular I have become friends with a lot of dancers from the club and when they see me they always come and give me hug and a kiss and ask me how I am yes you will get the few idiots but you will get that anywhere but any trouble thats starts is usually resolved in a matter of minutes and most people who frequent stripclubs know the rules and do behave and respect but I do think as a society were very prudish when it comes to anything relating to sex or nudity and also girls generally tend to get a lot of stick when say they sleep around or get naked whether its part of a drunken game or job let me ask you this if it was guys getting naked for a living would people be moaning as much because when a guy gets naked or sleeps everyone calls him a legend when a girl gets naked or sleeps around shes a slut or a whore so between guys and girls theres completely different set of standards what people seem tro forget as well with stripclubs is you think how many jobs they offer dancers, bar staff, waitresses, promotions staff, toilet staff, doormen and cleaners and managers its better people working than claiming benefits

LOL's picture

Stripping is a good way to make money when you're a young woman. Being a stripper may be demeaning but no more so than flipping burgers for minimum wage or spending the rest of your life paying back student loans.

Pavlova's picture

"So who wins? The person who's demeaned herself by taking their clothes off, or the person who's demeaned himself by handing over money to watch her demean herself? The answer is no one, really. Score draw, with no hearts broken, no awkward exchanges in the morning."

"Taking her clothes off" I think is a euphemism isn't it?

"No hearts broken.". Hmm I wonder, I wonder if the 8 year old who walked in on his mother prostituting herself to your friend had his heart broken. I wonder if his mother did. I wonder if your friend's current/future girlfriend will lose a little bit of her heart when she finds out her beloved bought women. I wonder if you'd ever notice.

Jon D's picture

WOAH THERE. He didn't pay anything. She wanted him to come back. They went on a few dates after, and they're friends to this day.

jankaas's picture

now now Pavlova, you're not "wondering" at all. you've already made up your mind regardless of what anyone could tell you to set you straight.

Pavlova's picture

" Well, here's the thing about men. We're lazy. "

Ah you see, it's because they can't help it. Boys will be boys.

Pavlova's picture

"Here's why we go: because it's full of really beautiful girls to flirt with. And really beautiful girls are hard to even get close enough to flirt with: they know they're hot, and so does every other guy. ... Who doesn't like taking to people about their lives?Sociopaths?"

So I missed the bit about where you explain why said non-sociopaths bribe their new, beautiful friends £20 or £40 to wave their genitals in your face. Doesn't that interfere with the conversation a bit?

Jon D's picture

Yes. It does. As I've explained in the article.

Pavlova's picture

I did read the article he's referring to and he's completely mischaracterised it. What it actually said was that the veneer of everything being light-hearted fun was wafer thin and that the club owner had a sinister vicious streak and the girls were making practically no money at all and hated the men in the club.

Maybe the battle against soulless sex isn't worth fighting, but the battle against the spread of it is. These clubs change the character of a place and they have a subtle affect on how women who live there feel. I lived in a small market town that had a nightclub that got changed into a lap dancing club, all of a sudden older men started pouring into the town at weekends, the area became slightly more intimidating at night, girls avoided it, boys started treating you differently in the pub. Things changed.

The battle against the commodifying of women is worth fighting in my opinion, and the fact that some will find a way to do it regardless is no argument for doing nothing, you might as well say there will always be a black market in live organ sales so it should be a free for all.

Des Demona's picture

Hang on a second couldn't your response to the article also be called 'arrogant, ego-centric and ill-informed'?
I presume you have never worked as a stripper or been in the audience so therefore your opiniopn is entirely based on your ill-informed perceptions? Sex and sexual gratification takes many forms. Who are you to judge the motives of the participants. And here's a little secret most of my femal friends tell me - they actually like getting looks or compliments from men. It doesn't make them feel like that old feminist chestnut of 'sex object' it makes them feel attractive.

Ffi's picture

Well, clearly, for you this is not a battle worth fighting. But for many of the rest of us the proliferation of strip clubs (the number of UK venues has doubled since 2004) is something that is absolutely worth rallying against and it is arrogant and patronising of you to suggest otherwise. I haven't read the Evening Standard article you mention but, then again, that's not usually what I turn to for incisive debate and opinion. Many noted feminists and academics have written eloquently and intelligently on the issue.

I agree that journalists who choose to tackle this issue by presenting it solely from the personal perspective of an exploited female dancer are perhaps not fully engaging in a useful debate on the whole subject of strip clubs and their impact on society as a whole. And they may come across as patronising, though well-intentioned. But I think it is you who is missing the point entirely.

You ask who is demeaned by you paying a woman to take off her clothes and dance. Well, I respect a woman's choice to make a living in any way she chooses but you must realise that though she may feel empowered by stripping, she is in fact adding to the normalisation of our sex-object culture and by doing so, contributing to a patriarchal system which oppresses us all. Studies of the areas surrounding lap-dancing clubs showed that they display a massive increase in reports of sexual harassment. They also contribute to workplace sexism. Can I ask whether the women in your workplace were comfortable that all your workplace bonding outside the office took place in strip clubs? Studies show that most women are uncomfortable to work for organisations that allow this practice.

I find your position on this matter arrogant, ego-centric and ill-informed. There's probably a reason the journalists in question didn't interview the men like you that were frequenting these venues. At least you included the caveat 'if you'll permit me to speak like a real...' before you went on doing it.

John Ridgely's picture

The usual copy and paste 'designer feminist' argument to a tee. Where she blames the stripper for letting down womankind, uses fake claims about sexual harassment increasing in the area (that'll be the well debunked lilith report) , the condescending objectification argument and finally the massive assumption that these places increase work place sexism.

with regards to the excellent article the only thing i would disagree on, is that for me when i have been to lap dancing clubs the dances have always been amazing. oh and they only cost £20 for private dance and the entry to club is usually free. That's in the midlands

Herbert's picture

'... ill-informed...'

I think that probably the last expression I'd use to describe the piece. Informed it certainly is, from a certain point of view. If you can't take more than an academic point of view perhaps you can't take any point of view beyond your own.

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