Diane Abbott, Paul Flynn and Labour's queasy tolerance of the intolerable

Wed, 2012-01-11 19:07 — webdesignphilly8

I do know better, Mr Marchant: I could not work for GCHQ because of being French-born (I think this has changed). However,I challenge you to find the direct quote where Paul Flynn refers to Mr Gould's Jewishness, in the House at any rate, for that is what he was berated for. Mr Bright quotes him as using the word. You dismiss only one of the sites I quoted, so I will return you to the other one, that of Jews for Justice for the Palestinians for a full discussion of that matter. You will find at http://jfjfp.com/?p=27228 that it is very much Mr Gould's Zionism that Paul Flynn questioned and you will read the letters from and references to a number of Jews who sprung to his deffence.

Sun, 2012-01-08 22:02 — Capitalist and Proud (not verified)

@SpudMiddleton

Morally superior.. Strange all I see here is socialists trying to defend a racist statement that by there standards is obviously racist. Seems racism is now subjective. Evil has always been a subjective concept.

Sun, 2012-01-08 22:09 — Capitalist and Proud (not verified)

@Hugh Markey

Hindus should thank the Brits. I mean without us they would still be subjugated by the muslims. They should have a Thank The Brits Day and pay us a small fee.

An old Arab proverb: My enemies enemy is my friend. Sounds like divide and rule to me.

Sun, 2012-01-08 22:22 — john henry (not verified)

@Tesco Shelf Stacker.
I too have stacked shelves in a supermarket, worked in factories, in clubs, pubs, cleaned toilets etc etc, got a university education as well AND I come from a working-class background and I REPEAT: This misguided article, written by an Oxford Graduate (Goodness knows Oxford and Cambridge do educate idiocy into people) has attracted racist scum who spread their poisonous bile.

Dianne Abbot has by virtue of her Cambridge education risen through the ranks of the Labour Party to be part of an elite ruling clique - an MP. Her Tweet "let the cat out of the bag" with regard to the history of that predominatly WHITE RULING CLIQUE and she has been set upon by the attack-dogs of that clique, in this case by Rob Marchant (Oxford Educated Labour Party Apparatchik) because she has dared to reveal the truth about the history of that clique to which she now belongs. Dianne Abbot has NOT been racist she has been disloyal to her adopted clique.

Mon, 2012-01-09 20:32 — john henry (not verified)

@Feneon. Totally agree. The idiocy, misguidedness and utter intellectual stupidity of this article only plays into the hands of the racists who have flocked to this blogg in their droves.

For Dainne Abbot it's a case of not what she can see coming from in front of her but who in her own party are going to stab her in the back. Treachery springs ot mind! But then that's politics. "Behind you Dianne. Behind you!"

Mon, 2012-01-09 21:05 — Rob Marchant (not verified)

@Feneon:

Would you like to debate the issues, or would you prefer to continue to trade witless insults?

I would be delighted to hear even one of your "countless examples to the contrary", where the Tories or LibDems have been more tolerant of racist attitudes than the left.

I'm waiting.

Tue, 2012-01-10 18:57 — webdesignphilly8

Well I hope Paul Flynn's apologies have made everybody feel better but I would have thought that if you were to accuse somebody of anti-Semitism, excuse me, of expressing anti-Semitic views, you'd make sure you quoted him properly. I have just re-read the incriminating exchange @ http://jfjfp.com/?p=27057 along with (a long discussion of the matter)and all I have found is this quote: "the ambassador has proclaimed himself to be a Zionist" I have searched for the words "Jew" and "Jewish" in vain and I find Mr Merchant's attack unwarranted. Paul Flynn sighted other situations when the ambassador's commitment were not consistent with British interests and/or policies and his statements were given careful scrutiny in http://eoin-clarke.blogspot.com/2011/12/remarks-on-paul-flynn-controvers.... I found no "contorsions" there. Isn't waving the anti-Semitic card at reservations about the self-confessed Zionism of our ambassador to Israel - in the murky context of the Werrity affair to boot - rather hasty?

Thu, 2012-01-12 00:21 — Daniel McGrath (not verified)

http://www.katu.com/news/local/Police-TriMet-seek-attackers-seen-in-MAX-...

this video is from Oregon.

No one steps in the stop the racial abuse.

Mon, 2012-01-09 21:55 — Matt (not verified)

Matthew Smith of Glasgow made an interesting point:

"either Abbot is an idiot or a racist"

I would like to point that that I have seen no evidence that she could not be an idiotic racist.

Sun, 2012-01-08 10:31 — A. Cole (not verified)

Outside of sports and entertainment what do black citizens actually contribute to the UK?

Fri, 2012-03-23 03:00 — DJ (not verified)

I'm amazed at what ppl's definition of racism is, not one person has got it right,Racism is Predjudice with Power.To have a concious belief or behaviour does not constitute racism or any other idealogical ism ie Sexism.What makes these isms dangerous is when you have the power and use it like Mugabe or Hitler to put your belief/pejudices into action.Now politicians in GB dont go around killing people but what they are guilty of is using their power to drive through policies which marginalise eg North and south divide,Women,Elderly,Disability,Blackand white sections of society.No one on here can cast a stone,but more is expected from those who have an high pofile and one should be mindful that Tweeting or Facebooking is not like going down the local with your mates and putting the world to right over a pint of beer

Sun, 2012-01-08 10:52 — A. Cole (not verified)

Bob

I also think that the white working classes have been badly treated. I was just waiting to see if those who defended Diane Abbott would also accept my comment!

Given that this is democracy where black people are over represented in the criminal community and under-perform in school and employment I have EVERY right to make my initial comment!

Sun, 2012-01-08 11:09 — Lee (not verified)

Labour needs more Abbotts and Flynns, genuine people who aren't afraid to speak up against the establishment on major issues, unlike the shallow New Labour careerists who just want to build policy from the results of opinion polls and focus groups.

So they made a couple of remarks that got inflated into mock-outrage by right-wingers, so what? Even with those remarks they are standing up for important issues, be they the status of black people in the UK or the victims of Zionism in the middle east.

Sun, 2012-01-08 11:24 — john henry (not verified)

Racism and bigotry is alive and well in this article and comments.

Dianne Abbot told the truth about hegemonic white history and she is being lambasted for it. Please do me a favour.

I am an educated white man and I know some of the sordid history of the whiteman.

Here's a quote from a UB40 song:
"I'm a British subject and I'm proud of it but I carry the burden of shame" To me that says it all.

Continue to tell the TRUTH Dianne. You'll be a better politician for it.

Mon, 2012-01-09 12:59 — Freeman2

It's something you'll find wherever people have real power to act in a racist way, for example, by deciding that - for some reason - only white people like themselves are suitable for recruitment. It goes: 'We're such nice people we couldn't possibly be racist, not like those awful working class people who read The Sun.'

Sun, 2012-01-08 11:26 — A. Cole (not verified)

Lee

We also need politicans who will talk about the level of criminality in the black community e.g. gang rapes and gun crime.

You certainly cannot paint a halo around black Britain!!

Sun, 2012-01-08 11:30 — A. Cole (not verified)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1290047/Metropolitan-Police-crim...

Black Britain....not a nice place!