I would argue the opposite is true. Muslim culture is becoming westernised and this is being speeded up by globalisattion and technology and communications. The reason we hear so much about Muslims (who are a massively diverse bunch of people), is that they are more often now living within western societies, using modern, generally non muslim inventions such as tv, internet etc and having to adapt to a speeding up of the erosion of their way of life in many instances.

Multiculturalism works both ways and always has done. However, it is the musim way of life all round the world that is having to make way for change as it is constantly being eroded by global modernisation at a very fast speed.

In 50 years time, white people will be the less prevalent skin colour, but the western mind set will be the dominant culture because of technology.

Samira, not exactly breakthrough stuff. From the many articles that have been written about the European far right it is clear that their supporters are mostly male, young, white, anti-immagration and anti-islam. Why did you bother?

The difference between Jews and Muslims are quite striking.

Muslims want to implement there laws here and expect the rest of us to adhere to them.

They also actively try to convert or recruit non-Muslims.

The want to have establishment of a worldwide 'caliphate' and want a world dominated by Muslims, Islam, and Islamic law, the Shari'a.

Jews keep themselves to themselves and integrate in a positive way and contribute. Muslims is europe have a tendency to not work, not contribute and scrounge, hate to say it but facts are facts, I know you will think I am an Racist Bigot but truth needs to be told.

Could you imagine Christians or Jews having this freedom in any Muslims Land?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo4lRNQmdLA

Its funny, my in-laws have just come back from a holiday touring many parts of India. Without bringing up the subject they said that most of the people they met where Islamphobes...all had a healthy fear and loathing of Islam...IDL?

The question on the placard asks
"why are Islamists running our government"

Answer....

Islamists do not run the govenment but the its important to continously make them the enemy so the next time we wanna bomb them we get some public support. Simple

@ Michael, what a load of bullshit.

Since 1948, almost 10 million Muslims have died at the hands of fellow Muslims
Where is the outrage over that? Double standards abound. As the Israeli envoy Dan Gillerman said in 2008: "When Christians kill Muslims, it's the Crusades. When Jews kill Muslims it's murder, and when Muslims kill Muslims, it's like talking about the weather. Nobody really cares about it."

And as the late Samuel P. Huntington observed: "Wherever one looks along the perimeter of Islam, Muslims have problems living peaceably with their neighbors. The question naturally rises as to whether this pattern of the late 20th century conflict between Muslim and non-Muslim groups is equally true of relations between groups from other civilizations. In fact, it is not. Muslims make up 1/5 of the world's population but in the 1990s they have been far more involved in intergroup violence than the people of any other civilization....Islam's borders are bloody, and so are its innards."

All because of Iraq???

2011.11.06 (Maiduguri, Nigerian) - Islamists shoot a man to death in front of his family.
2011.11.05 (Garissa, Kenya) - A member of the choir is among two killed when al-Shabaab terrorists toss a grenade into a church.
2011.11.05 (Taji, Iraq) - A woman is among four family members machine-gunned in their home by al-Qaeda.
2011.11.04 (Potiskum, Nigeria) - Militants shout 'Allah Akbar' as they slaughter over one-hundred people in a bombing and shooting rampage that targeted six churches and a police station.

@ spectrum, your so dumb, so I speak factually about Islam and get called an Islamphobic racist bigot?

I'm not killing or threatening anyone and don't wish any harm too anyone, I'm worse than them?

Your not being rational or logical.

Typical lefty bullshit, shoot the messenger and dont listen to the content if someone or some group is perceived at being offended.

I am informed and knowledgeable about Islam and am interested that the truth is heard and prevails.

So 10 million Muslims have died at the hands of fellow Muslims?

How many atheists died at the hands of fellow atheists in Maoist China or Stalinist Russia? How many died at the hands of Christians in the various wars the USA have gotten involved in? The 10 million deaths in the last 60 years is dwarfed by the 55 million deaths managed by white supremacists in just 6 years during World War 2.

And yes, you can go find yourself examples of attrocities committed by Muslims. That's easy, as well as lazy. But to hold all Muslims responsible for that is kind of like holding you responsible for the actions of Anders Breivik. To do so is simple racism. So basically, yes you are very bigoted. Not only are you bigoted but you are fascistic. Anything which disagrees with your position is "lefty bullshit", not wrong, but "lefty" and therefore wrong because it is in the wrong ideological sphere for you.

I've got some news for you: reading the Daily Express and Daily Mail while watching Fox News is not being informed about Islam. It is a steady stream of propaganda melting your, for want of a better word, brain.

Instead of calling "bullshit" explain the discrepancies. Explain why there are female Islamic heads of state if Muslims are so oppressive to women. Explain why Muslims are rebelling against their west-hating leaders if they are all mindless, programmed zombies who are all indoctrinated to hate the west.

These are facts. Your position that Islam is bad for the world may well be correct, but in order to prove it you'll have to explain away these facts, not pretend they don't exist. In pretending they don't exist you are demonstrating that your ideas take precidence over reality, in other words you are delusional.

Simple question. If life for Muslims in the West is so offensive, why do they come here. There are Muslim states for both major factions. some even run by women according to Sir Michael above...Why stay? Simple question.

Ian

Opportunities....Simple answer

@julia harris hit the nail on the head - the muslim outrage is simply not there when it's muslim killing muslim.

Actually not really, LZ, why if your religion is the drive force of your life would you FREELY come to live in a country that is so offensive to the precepts of that religion. when you can FREELY live, in a nation where those precepts hold sway? So your response to my question is the more ridiculous. So its okay to be offended as long as you profit from it in some form? Would that be a better response.

@Michael, your abit dumb. Bringing up WW2 or other wars doesn't mean that we don't have problems with Islam. It doesn't mean that we should accept and not try to understand the threat that Muslims can present in within the Global Jihad against the west.

Please dont try to dress Islam up as an inclusive and progressive religion, it aint.

I'm not saying that Muslims are bad people, its Islam when adhered to creates these issues.

I didn't define the 9-11 attackers or the countless other Terrorists as Islamic, its it they who choose to define themselves as such, its is they who screamed Alluh Akbar when flying the planes into the world trade centre.

The truth of the matter is that Muslims are, by and large, treated equally and with generosity, tolerance and patience in the UK and Europe.

This contrasts greatly with treatment meted out to Jews and Christians in the Islamic World, where, in country after country, non-Muslims have been denied civil rights, persucuted, discriminated against and driven out; in coming years these will probably be extended to include Egypt, Tunisia, Libya.

And yet, we never hear or read the word 'Christianophobia' mentioned.

Ian

My point is that we only see one side of the arguement.How often do we stories of Muslims who are happy and thriving in U.K?? Hardly ever!! Not because they dont exist but becuase we are trying to fight a war in the middle east and they need the YOUR support.
In response to the question...

If you had the choice between being un-offended and poor OR offended yet able to put food on the table which would you choose??

A friend of mine lives in Rochdale and he mentioned recently that if you declare your house a mosque, you could avoid paying council tax provided a certain amount of people came to worship everyday. This annoyed my friend immensly as he was not a Muslim and therfore not entitled to the same treatment.
After hours of debate (and a little help from me) he came to the conclusion that if he had the same opportunity he would take it. What does this tell us?? Blame the loop hole rather those that benefit from it. Our government is trying overthrow the middle east and without inciting this sort of hatred towards Muslims they wouldnt be able to.

E.G

Before Cameron announced his cuts there was a news report on ITV about ONE guy who lived in 3 bedroom semi on benefits. This guy was complaining that he wasnt getting enough free shit so they interviewed him.

This drummed up a hell of a lot of hatred for those on benefits and brought Dave Cameron some much needed public support for his policies.

So congrats Ian...you are helping to keep the war going!!!

Dont believe the propaganda mate. Treat the cause not the symptoms. Peace

History Buff your a correct in what you say. In the UK, Europe and USA people bend over backwards to accommodate minorities and Muslims in particular take advantage of this fact by asking for special treatments that no other ethnic group would dream of.

When in a minority Muslims are very good at telling us how inclusive we must be and how we must respect Islamic beliefs and customs that most of us find unpalatable and backward - e.g the Burkha, Female Circumcisions, Honor Killings. They expect to build Mosques and worship freely.

However when Muslims are in a majority, the rights of non-muslims and minorities are nowhere to be seen. We cannot worship freely or live as equals to the Muslim majority. We cannot build places of worship and as History buff aludes, the treatment of Christians, Jews or other minorities within Muslims countries is an unfathomably larger problem in yet we dont see Samira Shackle standing up for those people who are Killed and Terrosised by Muslims hit squads.

Instead she whines about freedom lovers here, who quite rightly are concerned about the Islamasation of Europe and want it controlled with checks and balances.

We have come so far it would be a terrible retrograde step to see Sharia take hold here, unfortunately it is here already and must be controlled.

The very concept of "Islamophobia" was invented by Islamic supremacists in order to claim victim status for Muslims and deflect attention away from the global jihad and Islamic supremacism. If self-proclaimed moderate Muslims really wants to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. They can:

1. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.

2. Renounce definitively, sincerely, honestly, and in deeds, not just in comforting words, not just "terrorism," but any intention to replace the U.S. Constitution (or the constitutions of any non-Muslim state) with Sharia even by peaceful means. In line with this, clarify what is meant by their condemnations of the killing of innocent people by stating unequivocally that American and Israeli civilians are innocent people, teaching accordingly in mosques and Islamic schools, and behaving in accord with these new teachings.

3. Teach, again sincerely and honestly, in transparent and inspectable ways in mosques and Islamic schools, the imperative of Muslims coexisting peacefully as equals with non-Muslims on an indefinite basis, and act accordingly.

4. Begin comprehensive international programs in mosques all over the world to teach sincerely against the ideas of violent jihad and Islamic supremacism.

5. Actively and honestly work with Western law enforcement officials to identify and apprehend jihadists within Western Muslim communities.

If Muslims do those five things, voila! People like me will no longer suffer from the illness of "Islamophobia!

''Muslims in particular take advantage of this fact by asking for special treatments that no other ethnic group would dream of''

How dare these Moslems ''ask'' for special treatment!!!. They need to know their place in life, the other ''ethnic groups'' understand the rules perfectly well. The rule is very simple, just shut up and be grateful!
only certain people are allowed to lobby for change and make improvements in their communities lol.

muslims are more far right and racist than any so called european far right groups who just dont want there christian european lands turned into replicas of pakistan and somalia..bty why is pakistan so brown and muslim and not multi culural with lots of black and white faces living there..any answers??

A muslim wrote into her local paper complaining that she felt violated and raped after seeing a culture film about Amerindians living in complete nakedness. The muslim woman maintained that humans as opposed to animals, like Medhi does, know chasity. Shackle should preach to her own bigots in Mecca about pure innocence. Most Brits do not like Islam because of the in your face trash they give out to the people who allowed them to expereince freedon here in the UK.

'Most brits don't like muslims' ... &uck me you people are racist. But i don't believe you have the right to claim to speak for the majority. I can think of more pressing concerns for most than hatred of other groups (more to the point fellow individuals) based on skin colour or religion. My guess though is that you think that islam is more important and central to people's concerns than inequality surely. And i think that makes you big fat suckers.

'Sir michael. Your abit dumb' would be funny if you weren't .. Oh well, by the way, we all know you're male.

Bee, u arse, dont misrepsent me or what I am saying. No other ethnic group expects it host country to accomdate it as with Islam or wants to implement its own laws (sharia) that run in parallel or superceed its hosts countrys laws.

''No other ethnic group expects it host country to accomdate it as with Islam or wants to implement its own laws (sharia) that run in parallel or superceed its hosts countrys laws.''

English laws allow disputes to be settled between the two agreed individuals with a third party. This is the main function of Sharia courts in this country, they are the third party that often settles marriage and family disputes. This is not a new concept, orthodox Jews have been using religious courts for years, and nobody seems to have a problem with it.

Julia, I think your main problem stems from the fact that you view ''ethnic'' minorities as being ''guests'' into this country. The fact remains that most british Muslims were born in this country, they don't need to act like they are some guests who won a special invitation to stay in this country. As citizens, they have every right to lobby for change, if they think it will benefit their community.