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Occupation protests and poppies can mix

The St Pauls demonstrators are remembering how the peace was won after the great wars of the 20th Ce

Given their timing, it was inevitable that there would be a clash between our annual ceremonies of national remembrance and the Occupy London protest. In the past few days many newspapers have begun to allude to this, casting the situation as one where protest and remembrance were mutually exclusive.

The Mail lead the charge on 24th October, invoking St Paul's Cathedral as a symbol of the "nation's Blitz spirit". On the 25th October, the Express quoted Conservative MP Priti Patel saying that protestors should "think twice" due to the "significance of St Pauls as we head into the Remembrance service period".

"TENTS STAND-OFF ON REMEMBRANCE DAY", screamed the Star. The inference underlying all this is that the protestors are disrespectful as well as deluded. Nigel Farage, Ukip leader, put it more plainly: the protestors should "do the decent thing" and leave. This atmosphere has only been heightened by the language used in some comment, where the protest is described as a "siege". You are invited to imagine the dome of St Paul's standing defiant among dark clouds, as in Herbert Mason's famous 1940 photograph.

It's not surprising that an alleged threat to the Remembrance Day service could raise strong emotions, even though the protestors themselves have repeatedly stated that they have no intention of keeping the Cathedral closed. The idea of sacrifice - and of the commemoration of that sacrifice - is still a culturally potent force, as our nearly-annual debate over public figures' poppy-wearing choices shows. We cannot, and perhaps should not, argue with the need for commemoration - remembering the thousands of lives snuffed out. Although St Pauls was, in some respects, an accidental choice of venue for Occupy London, interference with this is something the protestors need to bear in mind.

Yet is it really necessary to rank protest and remembrance in a hierarchy of priorities? Let's remember, for a second, what the combatants of the UK and its empire achieved. After victory over fascism, those returning from the war or shaking off years of austerity and tragedy were determined to rebuild society. The desire for change, in fact, was so strong that Britain jettisoned its wartime leader, electing Attlee and a Labour government by a landslide.

Their reward and lasting monument was a society free of want, as Beveridge identified: "the Plan for Social Security [...] takes abolition of want after this war as its aim". Whereas the veterans of World War I found themselves in a world where Lloyd George's promises of a "land fit for heroes to live in" came to have a hollow ring, those returning from World War II could look forward to something more lasting, guaranteed by a broad agreement across all political parties. Beveridge would lead to a system of state-directed support that would finally end the system that had overshadowed the lives of their fathers and grandfathers: dependence on the charity of rich men and the begrudging support of private employers. It's something you can look on with as much pride as is implied in wearing a poppy.

While the aims of Occupy London might seem confused, there is a strong and consistent narrative of anger at the massive socialisation of private debt. There is a deep fear of the effects of cutbacks to the National Health Service and worse - the erosion of the fundamental principles on which it is founded. The NHS was the cornerstone of the new state built after World War II: it is a better commemoration of the sacrifice of the working class than crumbling memorials or the rhetoric of mere patriotism. It is worth protesting for, as an increasingly large number of voters may be coming to realise.

Protest, then, need not be disrespectful, if the world that previous generations fought to defend and then to reshape is a part of the protest's aims. It is unfair for sections of the media to present Occupy London as diametrically opposed to a 'public' right to the space. Perhaps both the protestors and the poppies can coexist.

26 comments

Luddite's picture

praha7: I usually make a point of not responding to the lefts apologists, but in your case i will make an exception.. Let's never forget which side the appeasing-left supported pre-war? Only getting on-side when another evil foreign totalitarian state told them to..

praha7's picture

Luddite you are merely showing your ignorance.
So Chamberlain,Halifax and the rest of the government were left wingers?
The coalition government that Churchill set up was made up of all the parties with Attlee as deputy prime minister.

You also seem to have missed the point that the majority of the people tht fought in that war voted Labour in 1945.Do you think they were all appeasers in the pay of Moscow before the war?

swatantra's picture

Good argument but it won't wash. Poppies. Poppies are strictly for remembrance of all fallen soldiers in all conflicts in all corners of the world. Many of the fallen would have disagreed with War and Capialism and the Establishments that sent them to their deaths in the first place.

Percy's picture

A good argument- and it will wash ! I really like the idea of a sea of protest tents springing up out of the city's pavements, like a modern sea of poppies- in both cases, a powerful analogy for the fight of the individual against injustice

bluplanet's picture

Actually Blashfuck and Luddite are such poor stereotypes that I implore everyone not to acknowledge their existence by responding to any of their laughable posts. As Blushfucker would say: FACT!

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Richard Tagart's picture

When I was young & had a living WW2 & WW1 veteran in the family (my Dad & Grandad) we remembered the sacrifice & the futility & we wore our poppies with pride & said 'Never again'. Today's 'Remembrance' seems to have more to do with celebrating the sacrifice of past generations & pride in 'our brave boys & girls' carrying on the grand tradition; yet again seduced by "The old lie:Dulce et decorum est/Pro patria mori." I still wear my poppy, but not with pride.

Uncle Honj's picture

Realistically the camp will still be there on Remembrance Sunday. Critics had better get used to the idea.
The majority of the protestors are peaceful, thoughtfully respectful and principled.
I really don't see a contradiction between what the Occupy LSX protestors are doing and the principles which took Britain into WW1 and WW2.
We should be proud of the protestors and glad of their presence as a reminder of how to tackle injustice.

writeoff's picture

The left fought the fascists in Spain when the right looked the other way or did what they could to block the efforts of the International Brigade. No grand statues to State remembrance for them. A small place on the South Bank only. Why? Because the machinery of State has no interest in ideological battles, only in the achievement of its own objectives. For the government Remembrance is Endorsement.

Flashbuck's picture

@writeoff

Get your facts right: It was the fascist left who fought Franco. And let's face it, there's nothing better than watching two sets of fascists wiping each other out.

Flashbuck's picture

It's funny how The NS and its soppy hippy acolytes get all weepy when it comes to the defeat of fascism. I mean, none of them would have risked anything to do something about the Nazis. If anything, they'd have been getting on everyone's nerves waving their adolescent 'peace' placards. We defeated fascism, but it was no thanks to The NS or lefties. Fact!

Flashbuck's picture

And let's not forget what happened at the last Remembrance Day when moslems flaunted burning poppies in front of our veterans.

Where were the fascist left and all those hope not hate hippies then, eh? No where!

In fact, most of 'em support and defend moslems, even moslems who torch poppies and taunt our veterans!

At least the EDL did something when Tommy Robinson launched into them and tried to wrest from them their vile flags and burning poppies!

But of course, no support on here for that. None! And yet you dopey lot wonder why the EDL are growing in strength.

Yohann's picture

@Flashbuck

Interesting how you seem more angry at the British Left than the German Right when it comes to WW2...

Flashbuck's picture

@Yohann - "Interesting how you seem more angry at the British Left than the German Right when it comes to WW2..."

There's no difference between the British fascist left and the German Right: they're both equally repugnant. Fact!

crabstix's picture

The "fascist left"?

Sorry, just swallowed my tongue!

Nearly as funny as that "socialist Gordon Brown"!

Steven's picture

Fascist Left, what are you going on about Flashbuck?

Benedict's picture

@Splashback

"Get your facts right: It was the fascist left who fought Franco"

So George Orwell was a fascist?

Flashbuck's picture

@Steven - "Fascist Left, what are you going on about Flashbuck?"

It's simple - Communists are just as fascist as Nazis. Geddit! Doh!

So like I said, when right wing fascists pile in to left wing fascists and when left wing fascists kill right wing fascists the rest of us will laugh and cheer them both on.

Champers's picture

Flashbuck - you think there is nothing better than two sest of people killing each other? What a warped imagination you must have!

Fergus Pickering's picture

I stopped buying poppies years ago. There's something about the Remembrance industry that smells a bit, don't you think?

swatantra's picture

More people should wear the white poppies of peace, but they are difficult to get hold of; very few available on the streets.
The sooner we get rid of BST and stck to ECT the better. We are out of sync with the rest of Europe and it doesn't do our trade much good.
The crifters up in Scotland should know that their animals are quite oblivious to time zones and carry on on ther own bioclock, as we should.

Barny's picture

'Splashback' is such an inveterate bore, congenital idiot and political illiterate to boot. *yawns* If you are so bloody patriotic, why don't you do something about the private events company that is providing xmas parties to city firms on top of the memorial to fallen merchant seamen on Tower Hill?

bluplanet's picture

9 * 4 = 36
Do I win a prize?

Started any wars yet Luddite?

bluplanet's picture

I'm puzzled Flashbuck. You're clearly of the fascist right so why do you hate yourself?

bluplanet's picture

Oi Flashbuck, I think you'll find the Red Army had something to do with the defeat of Fascism. They were certainly lefties (clue's in the name).

I've decided that you and your pal Luddite aren't really real (no one can be that stupid) and are just NS stooges put here to stimulate debate. Brilliant!

praha7's picture

I usually make a point of not responding to trolls like flshbuck but in this case I will make an exception.

I had many relations,mother,father,uncles,aunts and cousins who served this country both overseas and on the home front. every one of them voted Labour in the 1945 election largely for the reasons outlined in the article above.

I am answering you FLASHBUCK as they are all now dead but I can assure that they would have been appalled, as I am, at your at your filthy libel on them.You should be ashamed.

It is a bitter irony that those who gave so much should be so scorned by those they gave it for.

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