It is Cameron vs. the Tories as EU vote approaches
The PM is facing the biggest ever Conservative rebellion on Europe -- a crisis largely of his own ma
By Samira Shackle Published 24 October 2011 10:19
David Cameron today faces the biggest Commons revolt of his premiership -- and potentially the biggest ever Conservative rebellion on the issue of Europe.
On 20th May 1993, 41 Conservative MPs voted against John Major on the third reading of the Maastricht Treaty. To date, this was the biggest ever Tory rebellion on whipped business on Europe.
Coincidentally, it is also the figure for the largest Conservative rebellion so far in this Parliament. Earlier this month, on 10 October, 41 Tory MPs voted against attempts to criminalise "insulting" words or behaviour. This did not make much of a splash in the news -- unlike the current vote, which has gathered attention both for the spectacle of the Tories fighting over Europe (again), and because of Cameron's belated decision to impose a three-line whip.
It is still unclear how many MPs will defy the whips to vote in favour of a UK referendum on Europe, but according to the highest estimates, it could be nearly double that 41 figure. If the list of Conservative MPs who openly pledged to support the referendum is combined with those who have already defied whips over Europe since the beginning of this government, the number is closer to 78. Separately, Sunny Hundal suggests that up to 10 Labour MPs could defy their whips to vote in favour of a referendum.
Cameron is attempting to reassure the doubters that in the event of treaty change, he will renegotiate Britain's position. The story dominating the papers this morning -- that Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy had a heated exchange on Europe -- fits the narrative that the Prime Minister wishes to further: that he is not afraid to anger European leaders in his defence Britain's interests. However, this does not appear to be getting through to his party.
In a survey for Conservative Home, 64 per cent of respondents said that they did not believe that Cameron was "very committed to repatriating any powers from the European Union", despite his promises, compared with just 18 per cent who did believe he wanted to repatriate "significant" powers.
It is impossible to say exactly how large today's Commons rebellion will be, and, as the Ballots and Bullets blog points out, the number that actually votes against the whip is almost always invariably less than that predicted. Even if the revolt is not as large as expected, however, it is difficult to see how Cameron can emerge well from this, and one must question his logic in applying the whip in the first place. Mary Anne Sieghart argues today:
If there had been a free vote, the motion might not even have been carried. But if it had, Cameron could easily have said, "I hear what you say. I agree that any renegotiated relationship with the EU will have to be endorsed by a referendum. But it's too early to call one now, when we don't yet know what shape the eurozone will take or what any new relationship will look like." He would have sounded both responsive and responsible. Instead he has absolutely infuriated his party.
Emotions in the Tory party are certainly running high, with at least one ministerial aide -- Stewart Jackson (£), aide to Owen Paterson, the Northern Ireland Secretary -- willing to vote against the whips even if it costs him his job. Graham Brady, the head of the powerful 1922 committee which represents backbenchers, is also set to defy the government (Lord Tebbit said yesterday that "not even Ted Heath faced the chairman of the 1922 Committee voting against a three-line whip"). While the vote is likely to go Cameron's way, the damage within his party will take longer to heal.
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9 comments
Labour should just abstain and let Dave stew in his own juice. Its a question of:'Back me or Sack me'. Of course the whole thing is a bit of mischieve making, along the lines of:If the **** Lib Dems can have a Ref on AV, then why can't we have one on Europe. Lets hope Dave can face them down and lop a few heads off the trouble makers like B Jenkins and that disgrace Tebbitt.
Bring on Lords Reform so that the 2nd Chamber can be cleansed of people like him.
Mr Cameron's response to this vote is staggering; more like the actions of a totalitarian dictator than a (semi-) democratically elected leader. Knowing full well that a large proportion of the public - possibly even the majority - do not want to stay in Europe, he is doing everything in his power to prevent them having a say - even threatening his own MPs with severe punishment if they dare to vote in favour of public opinion being listened to! As with most important issues, what the British public actually wants is irrelevant to the people at the top.
Remember Maastricht as you check out tonight's list of votes in the Aye lobby, the wrong motion though this is. The Labour lot might be fewer (there are fewer Labour MPs to begin with), but it will be much more respectable, and the Labour abstentions might well be even more so.
Whereas The Tories will be the new generation of Tony Marlows and Teresa Gormans. Expect to see them all over the telly between now and 2015, when most of them will lose their seats. But don't expect them to be taken seriously. Or to deserve to be.
Cowards, the only honest term that springs to mind. They have all gone LimpDem YELLOW.
I cannot wait to see the back of this callous shallow excuse for a human being,what he is doing to genuinely ill & disabled people is absolutely disgusting,and if thats not bad enough to then cut benefits for those with cancer makes him despicable.He can also spout off as much as he likes in front of the cameras, about fuel costs and have the nerve to offer advice about keeping costs down , paying by direct debit and so on...he can spout off until the cows come home but since he has also cut the heating allowance in half for the elderly [some been through two wars] he wont be able to cover up the many deaths from hyperthermia!! call me Dave!! thanks but no thanks,,call you a very uncaring dangerous man,call you someone that does not keep his word about looking after the people that need help and support like he said he would..my God!! if i were him i,d seriously be worried what my children thought of me when they are adults and get to know what their father did to so many innocent people whos only crime was to be ill/disabled /old...ah! hold on ...The Big Society?? the penny has dropped...these people dont fit in do they because they,ve not perfect.well ! guess what Dave neither are you,,In fact no one is...I think the kids will be ashamed...
cameron does seem to have created his own crisis and is now trying to portray himself as the strong leader standing up the loonies in his own party.
a few commentators have said how cameron seems to do well in a crisis, its a bit worrying if he is now trying to create them himself. this could become a habit, i wonder what crisis he will try to create next.
Not to be too cynical, but Cameron's "crisis" will make him look pragmatic while his MPs look principled. I imagine this is exactly what voters want right now: a leader who does what needs to be done and MPs who (at no cost to anyone) stand up for their constituents and their own personal beliefs.
Meanwhile the Lib Dems (who campaigned on a promise for an in-out referendum!) and Labour will need to explain to voters their position on Europe (which is more volatile by the day) and why people shouldn't have a say.
I don't think Cameron will be sweating his handling of this so-called crisis long term.
No wonder the public are so cynical about politicians. So Dave is doing some grandstanding and his motley crew are sucking up to their constituents?
Why the Lib Dems don't call time on this charade I don't know. Let Dave soldier on as minority Govt. If he dare.
The crisis has been badly mishandled by Cameron. It looks like Adam has never heard of UKIP, Farage must be laughing his head off, Cameron has made sure all the news agenda is focused on Europe.
If Cameron wasn't sweating about this crisis, why is he having to hit the phones over the weekend, trying to get MP's to vote for him.
Adam needs to explain, what he means about Labour " Volatile " position on Europe. I expect he can produce evidence, or am I full of wishful thinking.