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Darling's most damaging claim

His claim that Labour had no "credible economic policy" is a gift to George Osborne.

Of all the claims from Alistair Darling's memoir (£), it is his assertion that Labour went into the last election without a "credible economic policy" that is most damaging for the party. Darling all but accuses Gordon Brown of deficit denial for refusing to accept the level of cuts and tax rises needed to ensure fiscal sustainability. Christmas has come early for George Osborne.

Darling told Andrew Marr this morning: "You need a credible economic policy. It really hampered us at the election". Some would reply that a party without a credible economic policy is unfit to govern and it was notable that Darling refused to dissent when Marr suggested as much.

The former chancellor is right to argue that Labour's economic policy wasn't credible but for the wrong reasons. Rather than pandering to Conservative demands for savage cuts, the party should have offered a distincitve economic policy based on investment to stimulate growth and reduce the deficit. It should have argued for more targeted tax rises on the wealthiest in our society. The Brown government's most popular policies were the bankers' bonus tax and the 50p tax rate. It is hardly surprising that when offered a choice between Labour cuts and Tory cuts, voters decided they wanted the real thing.

In agreeing to stick to Darling's pledge to halve the deficit over four years (while replacing a cuts-tax ratio of 67:33 with one of 60:40), Ed Miliband has met the former chancellor's definition of a credible policy. But that won't stop the Tories from claiming that Labour's policy is as uncredible now as it was then.

Tags: Spending Cuts  Alistair Darling

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Hugh Markey's picture

Some of our number remember the early days of Atlee's Labour 'National Recontruction' government.
What this Labour government achieved after the most destructive world war in history was phenomenal.
However, possibly the majority of voters were reluctant to lose the Empire, were avidly racist and supported 'capital' punishment.
Nationalisation and the re-structuring of schools had majority support but the Royal Wedding at taxpayers' expense ushered in an unlucky thirteen years of Tory rule.
Even then, following Suez, the discrediting of UK education and science, and the Profumo Affair, Lord Home and his Old Etonians almost made it.
Immigration and war worked for the Tories because a considerable number of voters are swayed by such matters.
However, if this Tory government starts being too strict as Nanny - penalising 'fatties 'and school truants, enforcing more frequent signing-on visits for the unemployed, praising the enthusiasm for work exhibited by Eastern Europeans, Labour may benefit from the fear factor.
Alastair should have kept his trap shut But then, so should quite a few ministers who have signed the 'Official Secrets Act".
Surely, Baroness Eliza Doolittle signed such a document when she claimed her pension from the taxpayer.

Scotched

The Luddite's picture

matthew fox: arsehole...

p j wall's picture

I think someone will be pulling the head off it tonight!!, and not just to your pictures of Gideon and Flashman!!!, to be called an arsehole from someone like you, i would take that as a compliment!!.

matthew fox's picture

@ pj wall

I love when Luddite reveals his true colours.

He can't help being a simpleton.

Lady J's picture

Newstatesman

Can you post my last comment please or expalin why sensored it.

Thank you.

Lady J's picture

Newstatesman

Can you post my last comment please or expalin why you sensored it.

Thank you.

Lady J's picture

Luddite

Not sure if you will get this comment. My last response to you was sensored. It was not an offensive response but I added an additional comment directed at the Traitors within the Labour party. Well here is to hoping you will get this one.

I take your point but some of us choose not to let our dis-illusion manifest in destruction of the party. The only people who will gain from the way you want to destroy the party are them CON-DEMS. They certainly will not deliver what you want.

Do you agree or are you a Tory in disguise?

representingthemambo's picture

I really find the baiting of Brown so tiresome, so predictable and so spiteful. More on this
http://representingthemambo.wordpress.com/2011/09/04/in-defence-of-gordo...

Indu Pendent's picture

@Lady J
Yes I get mine sensored too.

I have experimented and found 'L abour', 'P ublic' and 'U nions' are automatic blockers if they occur too often in a post but they probably have a list of others too - so would find other words. Watch it if you post with 'U ni on 's mentioned as it can initially show in the blog but gets filtered for review - I've had some subsequently deleted for it. NSW must find it a difficult area for some reason - if they dont want two sides of the debate then they should give up and tranfer to Labourhome.com. More posts means more marketing revenue and a better NSM.

swatantra nandanwar's picture

Luddite is absolutely right ... at the end of the day, we ourselves are to blame. We deserve the Govt's that we vote in, and the people that we vote in, and being taken in by empty promises.
Its only in the power of the people to oust them and put in something more decent, if we choose to.
So I for one stopped whinging a long time go,; only wish others would do so as well.

Awake!'s picture

john P
'Ideological nonsense. Government 'debt' is completely different to household debt. As a monopoly producer of currency governments don't borrow to finance spending since their spending isn't revenue constrained. '
what are you talking about? this sums up a swathe of idiots who think they know anything- I D I O T S

Indu Pendent's picture

@matt

Foxy, the problem with relying blindly on your friends for what to think is that they can abuse the trust you place in them.

For example, Gordon (the genius chancellor who used £350Bn, magic powder and spin to rid us of boom and bust) said that the recession would only last for 6 months and bullied this through to drive Labour policy all the way through the party. However, Alistair advised correctly that the recession would be the worst in 60 years but was politically murdered for it -- I sense the hand of Ed (swaggers in a starched uniform) was involved somewhere in this.

So you see, had you not had your head stuck in your fox hole and had your thought for yourself instead, you would not have supported Gordon. Foxy dont waste your life trying to put a small elite into power as they will not thank you for it- you are not achieving what you think you are.

BTW the trade deficit will remain totally awful whilst the structural fiscal deficit remains - the money the country borrows is pouring out through imports just like it did before 2008.

Foxy, why can't you tell me whether the coalition should increase or decrease borrowing? Have you forgotten how to think for yourself?

Michael Dixon's picture

Until Labour give specific proposals and costings to their deficit proposals, (in addition to the mantra of the taxing the bankers more, who they watched create havoc anyway and rewarded with knighthoods), it will have no credibility whatsoever. Platitudes, opposition to all cuts may go down ok in core area between elections, but nationally it will lead to a very long period of Opposition.
Brown was a useless Prime Minister and Miliband is a very moderate leader. The Labour Party is going nowhere under him and Balls is a severe handicap.

Indu Pendent's picture

@JohnP
"As a monopoly producer of currency governments don't borrow to finance spending since their spending isn't revenue constrained"

Are you sure?

The country needs foreign currency to fund its operations and has very real borrowing limits. Far from being a monoply producer, the government must operate in the market to raise debt finance.

If you are talking about QE and printing money then have you made an error?

QE dilutes the money supply, weakens purchasing power and creates inflation. Currency dilution also weakens the exchange rate (making imports more expensive so causing inflation) ie it reduces the value of sterling denominated assets. Hence, there is a very real limit to QE that the economy can stand - too much dilution lowering the value of investments in the UK would trigger a fire sale of sterling i.e. we would lose the AAA.

However, combined with high unemployment to control wage inflation, the diluting impact of QE is a policy instrument to accelerate the relative reduction of wage costs needed to make the UK competitive. Thus some QE works but is hard on ordinary people. A problem is we have already done a lot of QE and dont have much capacity left to avoid losing the AAA.

Awake!'s picture

'Intrinsically, a sovereign government issues the currency so it is never revenue constrained'
that maybe how the system evolved in banking, but it's wrong fundamentally JohnP- it's one of the reasons we have a crisis, as evidenced by what we then get;
'In other words, “changes in deposits are seen to drive bank loans”.

MMT has provided a comprehensive challenge to that view of banking based upon a thorough analysis of how banks actually operate and practical experience of banking which reinforces the conceptual development.'
again, just cos the system devloped such that this is the case dosen't make the system righy- and indeed relying on this aggravates things.
We then get this , which proves how dumb the system has become
'The important point is that when a bank originates a loan to a firm or a household it is not lending reserves. Bank lending is not easier if there are more reserves just as it is not harder if there are less. Bank reserves do not fund money creation in the way that the money multiplier and fractional-reserve deposit story has it.'
er, guess what the western banks are doing right now? why do u think they ain't lending? they are re-capitalising, because a load of bank treasurers, at the behest of a clown political class, completely forgot what business they were in. It's incredible that such nonsense cab actually be put forward- it's counterintuitive(as the man who writes it acknowledges), illogical, aided us into the mess and is now being put forward as a solution. Look at what asian central banks have been up to in the last 3 years, they are building up their capital adequacy ratios- look at why the canadian banls are dusting themselves down after the global explosion- u think any of them followed any of this nonsense?
the author acknowledges this at leats;
'At the individual bank level, certainly the “price of reserves” will play some role in the credit department’s decision to loan funds. But the reserve position per se will not matter. So as long as the margin between the return on the loan and the rate they would have to borrow from the central bank through the discount window (the worst case scenario) is sufficient, the bank will lend.'
He touches on why banking broke down- he has to acknowledge there is a price for money, but he confuses a system that makes money easy and cheap that leads to a bubble as proper banking.
the proof being in the conclusion;
'quantitative constraints on bank lending should be de-emphasized. Even if one accepts the notion that deposits fall in response to tight policy, banks nowadays are able to easily access wholesale money markets to meet their funding liquidity needs … Importantly, since banks are able to create deposits that are the means by which the non-bank private sector achieves final settlement of transactions, the system as a whole can never be short of funds to finance additional loans'
There you have it folks- the solution is indeed to keep lending/borrowing , it simply can't go wrong having too much debt.
JohnP- Japan's SAVERS finance the governments debt- their multinationals provide plenty of work, the people then SAVE their money, they make do with a satndard of living many here would not accept. I lived there.

Gordon I Sold the Gold Brown's picture

Council after council are paying salary bills but no repairs of roads or infrastructure. And you think Britain has a chance to survive as any kind of decent economy?

Britain circa 2050 will be like Eastern Europe. The most important export will be whores and cheap labour.

This is what socialism does to a place.

Luddite's picture

Lady J the party is over but know one wants to admit it!!

1% were you born retarded or was it a gradual process!!

Fergus Pickering's picture

I could explain the difference between a censor and a sensor but it would be pearls before swine.

swatantra nandanwar's picture

Most the majority of County and Local Councils are Tory controlled and so the lack of road maintaince is down to them because the Counties control the money.
It s not up to the Opposition to present specific proposals as to deficit reduction. Ed has outlined how it can be done and te economy given a stimulus a kick start. A further QE3 may well help support the economy by giving it a breathing space in which to start growth.

frances smith's picture

the reality is that labour didn't have a credible economic policy, at the last election, though had brown been more enthusiastic about the darling solution then things might have been a little better.

but then the coalition don't have a credible economic policy, either.

and yes we do need to improve our international competitiveness, but doing that through just reducing wages is going to lead to economic disaster. as consumer demand is aleady too low in the uk. so we are stuck, conventional economics has failed to find a solution to this crisis.

i am not sure if tbis is really a gift to george osborne, though, as it ancient history really, but then i seem to remember reading an interview in which he said some rather nice things about alastair darling, so maybe its karma!

Stu's picture

Yup pretty damning... two people that were supposed to save the country ended up cocking up because they couldn't work togther and yet never quit to let someone else do it but instead decided to stay on and steal as much money as they could so the recession wouldn't affect them as much then come out and write a few books... what are the chances of the coalition being able to stick together?

Arthur Williamson's picture

What is Alistair Darling`s definition of a `credible economic policy`? Is it a policy which is purely based on recovering the economy, or is it an economic policy which has been sufficiently doctored to satisfy enough voters in a bid to win the next election?

The biggest problem with people like Brown, Darling and Osbourne is the fact they are essentially politicians, which means their decisions, AND THEIR SUBSEQUENT SPIN ON THOSE DECISIONS, are influenced by the need to win favour among the voters.

Stuart Eels's picture

JohnP

There I was thinking it was exactly what Darling was saying He should know what was going on. Here we are now with the bullying Gordon Brown's chief best bully mate as Shadow Chancellor, says it all.

Indu Pendent's picture

Before 2008, Labour borrowed £350Bn but did not invest it and the money still needs to be repaid. But where did the money go?

Easy ... it went on imports. See this data which traces the borrowing leaving the country to pay for imports. The site for convenient trade balance data is:
http://statistics4u-uk.com/html/balance_of_payments.html

The average trade balance per year for each government is below
1946 1952 Lab -56
1952 1965 Con 117
1965 1971 Lab 28
1971 1975 Con 55
1975 1980 Lab -627
1980 1998 Con -4,808
1990 1998 Con -10,099
1998 2005 Lab -20,831
2006 2010 Lab -35,062

The above are net of imports and exports. It means gross imports are much higher.

The coalition are currently borrowing around £150Bn per year and perhaps around half of the money is leaking out of the country on imports.

Labour used the money they borrowed to manipulate voter preferences and we can start to see the mechanisms they used to do this.

matthew fox's picture

I wish Indu Pendent would produce the trade figure for May 2010-Present, they make for extremely bad reading.

Isn't that correct Indu Pendent.

p j wall's picture

I thought darling was selling a book??, He`s just confirmed what we knew for years! Brown was a grumpy, sulky, autocratic, workaholic leader!!, surprise, surprise, a chancellor who had disagreements with his leader!, and most shockingly of all, they don`t tell the nation of all this until they serialise it in the press and TV for a book promotion!, of course it will be sensationalised for effect, then it will be scrutinised for a few days, the opposition will try and make political capital from it, then a couple of months down the line, totally forgotten about by the british electorate, and only mentioned by the political anoraks in the westminster village!!, yawn,yawn.

Lady J's picture

ALISTER DARLING AND THE REST OF THE TRAITOR BLAIRITES, LEAVE THE LABOUR PARTY NOW AND JOIN THE PARTY THAT YOU REALLY SUPPORT, THE CONSERVATIVES.

An end to political correctness's picture

The policies devised by New Labour have created the chaos in now which we live.not only here but worldwide ,Iraq ,ties with Libya in 2003 .basically New Labour hopefully never will get back into power and those who held office melt away never to be heard of again, but thats in never never land! here they are made lords for lining their pockets with the publics money ,Mandelson just bought an 8 million pound home , Blair his fortune is beyond believe ,Campbell also a millionaire and so many other ex New Labour ministers ,they have made every member of the public questioning why should we vote in these corrupt people , so basically destroying democrasy , nobody has any faith in any political party because of the years of New labour policies and greed and blatant corruption .

Andrew Fox's picture

I think that darling is just trying to build his retirement fund. He's selling out his party fairly cheaply. Must be desperate!

Lady J's picture

Andrew,

I agree with you, but really, the Blairites, who spent most of their time briefing the media and the Tories against Brown will do the same again to any Labour leader whom their 'LEADER, NAMELY BLIAR' does not approve of.

Only when the 'BLAIRITES' leave the party, can the party really represent its true constituents.

They have no loyalty, they have no honour. They are quasi-Tories infiltrating the Labour party.

Luddite's picture

His claim that Labour had no "credible economic policy" is a gift to George Osborne. AND?
p j wall: UP-SET mate!! Labour proved a great disappointment..

Lady J: Now who is Labour's.. true constituents?

swatantra nandanwar's picture

Absolutely right. Osborne has no credible economic policy: Plan A is in tatters.
If the US economy derails as seems likely, then so does the UK.
We have the neocons to thank for that.

Hugh Markey's picture

Used to be the ultimate put-down, "Wasn't this chap a communist or some such in his youth?
May not have the same impact as in the good old days since Mrs T, in her early days, was surrounded by a fair number of ex-Commie Party trustees.
It's probably not fair to refer to Blairites as Limousine Liberals or Champagne Socialists but some of these individuals actually attend 'cocktail' parties and guest on luxury yachts - without canvas. At least Ted's yacht was powered by sails.
Have you tried booking for tea at the Ritz lately? A six week wait and there are four sittings a day. Yes, we know we're all in this together - but some more than others.
And wine auctions - just don't get us started. And what about all these wealthy senior folk travelling by coach in order that they can get away with paying half-fare.
Still, George, another youth who has come good, is fastening on to the the Non-Dom caravanserai who are obviously afeared of all the Law and Order on display in the Big Apple.

Darling, Je vous aime beaucoup!

Eddy S's picture

they'll be alot of biggies from brown's saprano cabinet of the time who will try to discredit darling now.

yet he was the most insightful of the lot and brown a dithering and indecisive burk (a balls puppet) what a change from the iron chancellor of the early days.

i could always tell who had the wisdom during the crisis and it was darling - when he first discribed the predicament we were in on those dark days - he faced the "forces of hell" (we all know who those were).

Luddite's picture

swatantra nandanwar. No!! we have only ourselves to blame.
Lady J.. This is the only time my mask with slip.. Labour forget who they represented. Labour stopped been that fantastic party i was once proud to be apart of. Labour stopped listening to the genuine concerns of working people. Labour stopped being the people's party. So like millions of other working class Englishman. I simply walked away....

matthew fox's picture

Luddite walked away from being a human being decades of ago.

mr_wonderful's picture

This lot drive me to despair. Only interested in settling their old scores not the party or the country.

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