The New York Times attacks Cameron's riots response
Cameron's measures risk "long-term damage to Britain’s already fraying social compact".
By George Eaton Published 18 August 2011 18:44
Today's New York Times features a thunderous editorial attacking David Cameron's response to the riots. You can read the paper's leader in full here but I've pulled out some of the most notable passages below.
On Cameron's double standards:
Mr. Cameron, a product of Britain's upper classes and schools, has blamed the looting and burning on a compound of national moral decline, bad parenting and perverse inner-city subcultures.
Would he find similar blame -- this time in the culture of the well housed and well off -- for Britain's recent tabloid phone hacking scandals or the egregious abuse of expense accounts by members of Parliament?
On rioters' benefits and social networks:
He talks about cutting off government benefits even to minor offenders and evicting them -- and, in a repellent form of collective punishment, perhaps their families, too -- from the publicly supported housing in which one of every six Britons lives.
He has also called for blocking access to social networks like Twitter during future outbreaks. And he has cheered on the excessive sentences some judges have been handing out for even minor offenses.
On Cameron's populism:
Such draconian proposals often win public applause in the traumatized aftermath of riots. But Mr. Cameron, and his Liberal Democrat coalition partners, should know better. They risk long-term damage to Britain's already fraying social compact.
The Grey Lady also criticises the coalition's economic strategy, warning that the government's "wrongheaded austertity policies" have hit the poorest hardest. What Britain's stagnant economy needs, the NYT argues, is "short-term stimulus", not more budget cutting.
It concludes: "Fair play is one traditional British value we have always admired. And one we fear is increasingly at risk."
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24 comments
mcquade: Most of these roiters are the product of a failing state education system. If these young people are to have a stake in our shared society then we need to create jobs, it's really that simple. Many of society's ills such as drugs, gangs, along with riotous behaviour would simply melt away, but it's 'how' we create sustainable jobs. Jobs need to be self-sustaining, not government subsidised, and there lies the political fault-line.
Pat: Yes we can blame the previous 'economically' discredited Labour government, for many of our ills.
Labour's open door immigration policy for one, which kept millions on state benefits, and out of the world of work.
Labour's eduction policy that put the interests of the teaching unions above those of their poorest pupils in society.
Labour's welfare programme, that don't help the poorest in society, but trapped millions in poverty. Labour remains unrepentant, that's why many remain unconvinced of Labour's sincerity.
Just becauseyou have had a public school education doesn't mean you are wrng about the 'national moral decline, bad parenting and perverse inner-city subcultures'. To be fair I haven't known the Bullingdon Boys to trash the Windsor High Street nor the Bodelian Oxford, although they have been involved harmless in bun fights.
swatantra - is there no connection in your mind ... a recession, appalling attacks on the poor, and a cabinet of millionaires lecturing the public??
the way UK is reacting to the riots is a major international embarassment, as the foreigners gawp at the sentencing dished out to people on the fringes of the disturbance and financially unable to defend themselves.
I have heard it said already a plenty of times: "at least it leaves no room for doubt why they (in UK) are having those problems in the first place. Its not really that civilized nation."
I'm glad that people are starting to realise that Cameron's policies have little, if anything at all, to do with improving the situation. People are angry and Cameron wants to bring them criminals' heads on spikes without any regard to wider consequences. In a society with a shameful rich-poor divide and massive social problems where the rioters have been largely from disaffected sections of society who are poorly represented and whose prospects are terrible, Cameron wants to take these people's benefits and homes away. What a shameful, shameful approach. As is his intention to censor social media online, which has been such a draconian proposal it has drawn praise from the Chinese government. What happened to "hug a hoodie?", Mr Cameron? Britain is in very bad hands.
It's interesting to hear this. Not entirely surprising that other countries have taken note though it is encouraging. I've been surprised at the brazenness of the reaction. Disproportionate sentencing, politicians pressurising judges and withdrawal of state resources. It makes a mockery of Britain's supposed reputation for liberalism and moderation.
Whatever the press or the mob were shouting for politicians should know better. It's clear the British establishment has been scared by this. The public have to know their place.
What the many platitudes that you media junkies who criticise from clearly ignorant or misinformed perspectives fail to consider is that Cameron & Co. might not be perfect, but they are trying to respond to what the silent majority in the UK have called for. As did Obama, our PM and his administration inherited a poisoned chalice - 15years of Labour (also of the moniker 'the criminal classes') brought Britain to her knees. Just as in George Orwell's Animal Farm, Labour promised equal society but in reality created a greater economic and class divide than ever before, they just made sure their mates got in on the game. Historic levels of corruption and abuse of power almost destroyed our nation - the reference to double standards in this article fails to recognise that this began under labour, that we are now seeing be so publicly expunged!
The current "draconian" actions to bring back law, order, respect and a sense of individual responsibility are but a few among a host of long overdue efforts to put Britain back on track, but its going to be painful and with the current media tone of influence, is likely to take a very long time. And no, we do not want our government to follow the short-sighted view of our cousins who believe credit, debt and spending are the way forward. That way of thinking is about to bring the most almighty recession to the US and EU, surely some of you must be waking up and now aware how that model has failed? And of how the welfare state, 'free' education and healthcare, have created a less motivated, more ignorant and less skilled society than in previous generations, as well as sicker and more obese with greater burdens of individual debt to worry about than ever before??
We have a long way to go, and with so many freeloaders and abusive administrators draining the system it will take even longer than predicted. The sooner they go or start paying their dues, the better...
i agree with @swatantra, were in danger of becoming inverted snobs a form of reverse discrimination where - no one is able to have a valid opinion/thought about society without snide remarks about there background - if they are wealthier or have a better education than you, i agree that it could make people more difficult to relate to someone in less better position but there are plenty of people on the labour benches with oxbridge educations too, harriet harman went to the same school as osborne. balls went to harvard, mrs milliand is a top barrister etc. it's not a good quality and the reason people liked blair was he didn't fall into the same trap of hypocrisy (though he had a tendency to be too optimistic - which can sometimes be another problem :-)
"long-term damage to Britain’s already fraying social compact". Whatever do you mean, there's nothing wrong with our harmonious and all inclusive multicultural society.
After the Blair and Brown years of take, take, take, i beleive society in Britain has been fundamentally altered.
Gone are the days of looking out for your neighbour. Gone are the days of doing the right thing for the sake of your own morality, or for the benefit of society.
It is now about 'the government should do something'. Blame the government!
Taking power away from the people and placing it with a big bureaucratic government because some guy in a cr*p Burtons suit reckons he knows the answer to your problems is fundamentally wrong and a key reason why the left always fail the people they claim to stand up for.
Britain.
Third world economic system, political system and judicial system.
Guilt by association.
Lock them all up. Pity that the prison already overflowing.
Social cohesion?? What on earth is that.
swatantra
Just becauseyou have had a public school education doesn't mean you are wrng about the 'national moral decline, bad parenting and perverse inner-city subcultures'. To be fair I haven't known the Bullingdon Boys to trash the Windsor High Street nor the Bodelian Oxford, although they have been involved harmless in bun fights.
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No, but its friends in the City have priced millions out of homes, then been bailed out of their mess with those same families' taxes, only to take QE printed money and re-reward themselves millions for being clever enough to follow all the other freshly printed money into driving up commodity prices and everyone's food.
You do not see burning buildings, but just as cancer is a silent killer, they are venal, cowardly thieves, and we give them knighthoods.
All with the help of NewLabour that you support.
On the sentencing, it is obscene that theft of sportswear carries a similar sentence to rape, don;t you think?
Consumer society economics.
It only works if the masses are given enough money to spend on the necessities of life.
Who spends all of their money on these necessities. The masses in particular those at the bottom of the ladder.
The well to do don't spend all their money on the necessities of life. The spend their surpluses on things that increase their holdings of money and property.
So what do you need for a well running economy?? People who spend all of their money.
Social welfare is a means to put money in the hand of those who will spend it immediately. They can't afford to save any.
If you cut of that flow of money the section of the economy that produces the basic necessities of life stagnates. Loss of income, profits, unemployment for many follows.
But I studied economics and thus can put two and two together.
Many so called experts can't make the connection.
First, should we really be paying attention to anything the Times says?
But, since the New Statesman already has, go one step further. If people on benefits in the States are arrested for rioting, would Obama take that away as well? How would his crack "campaign stategists" deal with the massive pr nightmare from that?
Some differences. Unlike the U.K., in the States they have "detention centers" where the public can be held "for assistance during a national disaster. OR, for anything as designated as a 'national disaster' by the President or the Director of Homeland Security".
It's written to give Obama the maximum leeway with the least liability for him.
Is Cameron willing to do the same thing?
I am surprised that she didn't mention in her article the 'sickness' that developed in the finance markets that led to a bankers-led crash where all of the main protagonists who caused most damage walked off with millions of pounds with barely a slap on the wrist. Whatever ugly scenes you see in riots they will never equal the damage done to people's livlihoods and society that greedy and reckless bankers have caused. Cameron uses these riots to conveniently forget that. Easier to evict and lock up a rioter for stealing junk from Aldi, than get a rich man out of his mansion and into prison for stealing billions and hurting millions.
Poor old Dave - he has neither the ability nor life experience to assess the problem, let alone find solutions. And Milliband is no better.
A society based on individualism and consumerism can work during the good times. But those days are gone and they are not coming back.
If bankers and politicians can put their own selfish needs before those of the broader society why should we expect more of the disadvantaged - the young, the less educated and the poor.Things will only get worse until this fundamental truth is acknowledged.
The "triumph" of the free market is over. The new century will involve global (or transnational) regulation of finance and TNCs; more taxes on the rich (corporates and individuals) and the destruction of tax shelters. Anyone who thinks otherwise are the 21st century's luddites.
How popular are these draconian policies? Difficult to guage really. I only hear the usual load mouthed right-wing brigade banging on.
"What you mean is that such proposals have strong democratic support"
Flashbuck. It's not what he means but the author of the NYT article. Do you not recognise when something is in quotation marks?
"they have been involved harmless in bun fights."
Such as trashing restaurants. Swantantra, you need to check your facts by reading more widely. Boris even boasted about this in his book.
"the reference to double standards in this article fails to recognise that this began under labour"
Oh yeah? And Aprtheid, Pinochet, cash for questions? As just a start to a very long list of Tory examples of the same offence.
Now who's playing at double standards, AM?
I'm still pondering AM's wonderfully contradictory cliche collection which asserts that a silent majority have called for a response...
Not that I'm a Labour fan but although most of the front bench for Labour do indeed have Oxbridge educations many of them went to state schools including the Milliband's. Going to a top Uni from a state school means your more likely to have got there on your own merits.
Ah yes, the "Silent Majority", used by right-wingers to justify loopy policies since Nixon (he ended well, didn't he?). If they're so pissed off, why are they "Silent"?
BTW AM, Labour was in for 13 years not 15. Your badly written rant won't change the fact that they won power from a discredited Tory government in 1997 (you know, actually getting an absolute majority of seats in an election - more than the Tories did in 2010)