Wow! All the kings of comedy (Flashbuck & B.Small), with all their 'brilliant' cherry-picked history lessons and twisted assemblage of facts, trashed everything with their ignorant hatred, and then left without a peep of a solution - just like the lunatics bashing up the streets!

Fair enough.

'If E then R' looks wrong, but if you make M=E to explain R then you have to accept it.

As pointed out of Japan (recent events) prove not all Es result in Rs, so even if M does = E it does not mean there will be an R. I would say M is less an E than wars, famines, natural disasters, which is why the following annoyed me:

"But of course that's total rubbish. Japan has no such problems, neither do Singapore or South Korea, etc., etc.

And guess what? Such developed nations are largely monocultural and racially homogeneous with robust justice systems."

Or absence of M = absence of R, but my link showed absence of M did not = absence of R (assuming that Japan has not grown less culturally diverse in the last 100 years).

That's it though, I'm spent.

most of the uks problems could be solved by simply invading Iran, this is a cast iron fact. I sincerely believe this to be true.

@ (apparently) Awake

'@ RM- the 1918 japanese earthquake was a poor example...'

It would have been, if it was an earthquake.

You obviously didn't think about it but thought you would tell me about your mother-in-law instead.

Thanks,

So basically after another long winded superfluous rant ...

B.Small's solution is:

to build a CONCENTRATION CAMP!

EEEEHHHHEEEEMMM ... Ring any bells!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The 'honesty' prevalent in Japanese society is a one-way street. Under the benevolent eye of the Yakuza the have-nots in Japanese society make darn sure they provide, or make reparations for the 'haves' in the upper reaches of that multi-layered class of people.
No vandals or overtly anti-social elements in the lower
levels of this controlled society dare step out of line. Remember what happened to those boy rapists in 'The Godfather'?
Absolute obedience to the authorities is demanded and any failure to do so brings strict enforcement by the official, organized syndicate known as the Yakuza .
Now look, not too closely, at the Japanese Nuclear Industry. Absolute subservience by the masses. The economy is stultified and so is the society.
A Western audience may be motivated to riot if they were obliged to watch a constant stream of Japanese movies such as 'The Circle', 'The Suicide Club' and Godzilla.
We think there are 'kitchen-sink' dramas in there somewhere but they've never made it to Hollywood.

1941

I'm afraid Tony seems to have completely lost the plot.
Of course there is a moral decline; of course its to do with greed and not the collective concsciousness and goodwill of the people towards humankind.
However, this decline is not just restricted to Britain but across all of Europe and America.
Its the inability of the West to see and understand the aspirations of the developing world and to keep the resources for themselves and not to share and even be willing to take less and give out more out of the goodness of their heart.
In the end the battle will be about water and food not oil and if the West doesn't make sacrifices then the developing peoples will have to take the little that there is in order to survive.

Thanks anyway, Tony. Visited Fallujah recently?

B.SMAL: Stop it!! the political-left doesn't care much for honesty...

@RM,give it up, Flashbuck has you good and proper. Your example was somewhat silly.

tony is really the master and commander at this sort of stuff, he always strikes the right notes and balance, even though i may disagree with his conclusions.

Oh B.Small!...stop it, stop it...the laughing is just killing me....

@ MIke - because it does not fit into B.Small's insular, racist view of the world.

I have a PhD in political thought.

Your views are aligned with the same ideologies that led to the rise of nazi germany.

Which version do you want?

From the Right: civilization's in decline, the young have no respect, there are too many who are paid for doing nothing and far too many of these have skins darker than my own, whilst their parents are just as dysfunctional and need to get a grip.Besides, civilization is a frail plant and, if it's not watered by streams of tradition, it wilts, dies and chaos comes again. Moreover, it's about time we ditched the language of entitlement and started taking responsibility for our own actions.

All very true!

And from the Left: our young people have been robbed of hope by a dysfunctional economy, built on greed and irresponsibility. The most vulnerable of our young come from ethnic minorities which have faced generations of racism, exclusion and police harrassment. Our education system has also failed them and there's no-one they can look up to as role models....certainly not our venal political class, media or corporate power brokers, who are all busy creaming off whilst the ship heads for the rocks. We need to start rebuilding our sense of communal responsibility and to reign in our materialism or we'll be finished as a society.

Also, all very true.

And then there's the fact, noted by a few foreigners with an awareness of UK history, that rioting and mayhem are as British as Roast Beef and Yorkshire Pudding.

It's what we do every 20 years or so. And then we go back to quietly loathing and distrusting each other, whilst feeling smug about rioting foreigners.

Also all very true!

The war criminal giving us advice, that's a first...

There are nations aligned with social democracy - the nordic model (Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Finland) - that are prosperous, multi-cultural, have low unemployment, are egalitarian, stable, secular, and have a high GDP. What about those facts?

Rape happens every day, everywhere, and is a horrible committed by people of various races. Stop making generalisations. Stop changing the subject.

You simply must have the last word and must be absolutely right and do so by cherry picking random criticisms of other races, beliefs, creeds, cultures, and nationalities – so have at it.

And by the way, if you are so anti-social, and hate everything, and everyone, then go live out in the woods like the barbarian you truly are.

B.SMALL.. Take no notice the left have lost.. and they know it, but they will still try to drag us all into the abyss.

by the way, although obviously the validity of your argument(which I can't establish, if u could help that'd be fine)won't be affected, i disagree with your premise B, that multiculturalism is not an extreme event.

It is amazing to see so many right-wing nut jobs roosting on a left-wing newspaper's comment log. If you are so anti-left, and hate other cultures, races and nations then why don't you all go hang out at the sun.co.uk where you belong? You can have your little weird sect of non-sense preaching and reassure yourselves of your contribution to the world there, You can caress each other and reassure yourselves of egotistic supremacy outside the view of sane and rational thinkers.

I just love the way these right wing crackpots think the country has been run by the Left and the Guardian for the last 30 years ! I think it`s all the fault of that awful woman who was in charge in the 1980s ; name escapes me for the moment ; ah yes ... Polly Toynbee, that`s it !

@B.SMALL and @Flashbuck - very interesting history lessons from you. Let's throw everything out of the window and just say you're right, for argument's sake. What would be your solution to the problems experienced by this great yet morally bankrupt country? How would Britannia rule the waves again?

RM- forgive me, in the split second that my mind recognised catastrophe (rice riot) i wrote a word that is representative of a catastrophe (earthquake). It is possible that the recent earthquake affected this thought process.
My point, however, still stands, and therefore your argument is still bollox, namely that in Asia the depravity we witnessed here recently is unheard of.

Communist Russia beat Nazi Germany. The Allies started the 2nd front at D-Day to support Russian advances and to prevent Stalin reaching the Atlantic Coast.
The USA had been saved from Capitalist Economic Collapse by Roosevelt's Social Democratic "New DeaL". Britain adopted a collectivist approach to society to bring the population together in a sufficiently efficient manner to hold out long enough for Roosevelt to bring the States in (luckily for us the Japanese gave him his chance)

Human beings do best in Collectivist minded Co-operative Societies. Always have done always will. Christians do not see skin colour. They pay their taxes and give whatever is left to poor people - read the new Testament America!