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Obama refuses to endorse Cameron’s deficit plan

US president emphasises the need for investment and says that “every country is different”.

The Tories were desperate for Barack Obama to endorse the coalition's deficit reduction plan, but at today's press conference he didn't even come close. In response to a question on the subject from ITV's Tom Bradby, the US president emphasised that "every country is different" and praised the way that "concerted action" by the UK and the US had "yanked the world economy out of recession" – an implicit endorsement of the last Labour government's fiscal stimulus.

Obama, who noted in his introductory remarks that the pair come from "different political traditions", went on to stress the need to sustain investment in "education, science, technology and infrastructure". For the US president, unlike the coalition, economic growth is a precondition of deficit reduction, not a hoped-for outcome.

It was only towards the end (Obama's answers were incredibly long-winded) that he made a token reference to the need for governments to "live within their means" before adding that the "sequencing and pace" of deficit reduction would be different in each country. It wasn't what Cameron and George Osborne wanted to hear.

The irony is that there are some significant similarities between Obama's deficit reduction plan and the coalition's. As I noted in a recent Data Hound column, under the US president's plan, public-sector borrowing will fall from 10.9 per cent of GDP this year to 3.3 per cent in 2016. The coalition aims to reduce borrowing from 9.9 per cent of GDP this year to 1.5 per cent in 2016.

Thus, although the total fiscal consolidation planned by Osborne remains the largest, the difference is not as great as some imply. In addition, Obama plans to achieve three-quarters of the US deficit reduction through spending cuts, including lower debt interest payments, and the rest through tax rises, in a ratio similar to the coalition's 73:27 split.

But the crucial difference is that while the US economy has grown by 1.2 per cent in the past six months, the UK economy has flatlined. The strength of the US recovery means that Obama can afford to reduce the deficit without fatally weakening growth. The same, alas, cannot be said of Osborne's Britain.

44 comments

matthew fox's picture

@Livers

Don't lower yourself to Luddite's level, you will end up having to live under a rock.

Suzanne's picture

Good answer Livers. Get to the point.

Fruininut's picture

Think about it,Camoron and Obomber are murdering thousands and they are all smiles...you will see the same smiles when they are murdering you and your grandchildren for they are the damned.

Fruininut's picture

Luddite's statement seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Eddy S's picture

The situation in the US is that the fed is technically bankrupt, the Chinese (the new superpower) are no longer willing to finance it's debts having accumulated 3trillion dollars worth of foreign reserves, they would rather invest there money in other assets such as high tech companies and other prized assets of the western economies as well as securing commodities and purchasing gold. The US obviously have no choice but to print money. The problems will occur in the near future, debt will become much more expensive, interest rates will rise to control the inflation from money printing, we will then see defaults and institutions who buy government debt will suffer with these serious exposures. That's when the interest rates they demand for government debts will seriously rise.

There will be a major downturn in the near future and it will be china who gains most and the US who will lose the most.

Fruininut's picture

How do you figure this... my mother and others used to say back in the 1950's... "China will rule the world."

matthew fox's picture

@moronamid

Luddite, on a few occasion's has made fun of Gordon Brown's poor eyesight, is that reasonable as well?

Fruininut's picture

All manner of sin is forgiven... anyway Gordon sold his soul to Mammon who it was that put his mark on him,he also is the damned.
I normally would aggree that its wrong but in this case I don't care. !

martybee's picture

just Gidders then???

Stuart Eels's picture

I don't use crude language like @Livers, who cheers up halfwit ang by doing so. I would like to know why my reply to Suizanne's post of the 25th was censored.

Suzanne, given that your Scottish Office report Sctland and Oil states "If all North Sea Oil revenues had been allocated to Scotland, there would have been only 9 years out of the last 27 when Scotland's finances would have been in surplus.

Who do you think bales Scotland out Suzanne?

skiptonman's picture

Who cares what Obama says about our economy .. Goldman Sachs(who caused the banking crash) have just handed out record bonuses to themselves in the US, the system is the same ? it`s going to happen again, a big crash .. 1 billion in Obama`s election fund ? just ask Chomsky ..

Luddite's picture

Labour didn't invest, Labour squandering. Labour didn't empower. Labour enslaved. Labour didn't unite. Labour divided. Labour didn't control the banks. Labour rejected regulation. Labour encouraged mass-immigration, when the nation screamed NO!! Labour dumb-down eduction. Labour didn't reform the bureaucratic and wasteful NHS, and let's never forget Labour's endless foreign wars. Some of you folks must live-in a parallel universe and Matthew Fox in a world of his own.

Tom's picture

Anyone who says that the Stateside economy will recover is wrong. What about three wars, wreckless borrowing and then raising the National Debt Ceiling?

What would the public say if Cameron wanted to raise the National Debt Ceiling? How is Obama doing the same thing not incredibly wreckless globally. To say the stock answer there's no other option is wrong. Don't raise it and deal with reality.

Unfortunately, no one wants to do that. Instead, everyone only wants to cash in Obama's mega rock star status to help their own local standing. Did anyone press Obama on a major issue? No.

Meanwhile, Cameron and Clegg will never dare piss off any bankers (some of their biggest campaign donors). Many should be prosecuted. In addition, was it offensive to anyone else to see Blair sitting behind Obama during his speech?

JamesCook1's picture

Obama would never endorse such a dumb-ass deficit reduction plan because he knows that the economy needs to be growing before you start cutting. http://www.trainingforcnacertification.org/cna-training-in-hawaii/

Dave C's picture

Even the OECD is having doubts about Wee Georgie Osborne's policies.

Pier Carlo Padoan, chief economist of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) said, "We see merit in slowing the pace of fiscal consolidation if there is not so good news on the growth front."

Osborne warned 'slow down your deficit reduction plan to stop the economy's stagnation':
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1391015/Osborne-warned-slow-defi...

ang's picture

@Livers.
I don't normally like swearing, but your post cheered me right up.

hugh markey's picture

Obama lets his guard down by visiting his country's allies and the Lord, or maybe Colonel Gadafi,[ maybe he's one and the same ] smites the states of Alabama, Georgia, Missouri, Tennessee etc.
And woe what lamenting! The governors of these states, some Democrat and some Republican, put out the begging-bowl for federal relief funds.
What's all this about the the US government being too big?
Seems like every time there's a natural disaster the US government with federal taxpayer dollars is called on by the states to ante up.
No taxation without representation - where have we heard that one before. And what's all this guff about deficit denial. House prices are at astronomical highs all around the coast. Champagne sales through the roof. Bosses salaries ever upward. Royal Wedding expenses extravagant/ A couple of police actions(wars) in progress,. George must be 'having a laff!' What deficit - either side of the pond. Oh, sorry, somebody else is paying. Safeguard the vulnerable, please. Bankers first in line.

Independence Day

Nic's picture

The Tories were desperate for Obama to endorse their deficit reduction plan, with some right wing commentators even predicting he would. The fact he didn't makes me smile.

Stephen Gash's picture

At least the English are investing in Scottish higher education to ensure that students from all over the EU do not pay full tuition fees when studying in Scotland - unless they are from England of course.

The same is soon to happen in Wales. With friends like "fellow Brits" the English don't need enemies.

Dave C's picture

Another key difference is that the US plan starts later, when the recovery is secure.

Mike's picture

Who's not smiling now ?

Cahal's picture

Nick,

It would make me smile if millions of people weren't suffering pointlessly.

Nic's picture

Cahal - that too

Suzanne's picture

Stephen,
the Scot's aren't denying you anything. Your elected representatives are. Your anger is misplaced as is your view who is paying for higher education in Scotland. If you look beyond right wing newspapers you'll find that the idea of Scotland being subsidised by England is a myth.

ang's picture

Obama is in a different league to Cameron.
Obama even managed to look cool while playing table tennis, wheras Cameron looked like a girl.
Obama would never endorse such a dumb-ass deficit reduction plan because he knows that the economy needs to be growing before you start cutting.
It must be really galling for Cameron to hear praise of Gordon Browns actions in 2009, especially as Cameron has just behaved in such an outrageously unpatriotic way, by not supporting an ex PM's IMF bid.

Nelson McConnell's picture

This is a long term issue, surely? Judging success by the last quarterly GDP figure is, at best, fatuous.

lemuelkenney819's picture

How in the world would Obama have accepted Cameron's economic strategy. They are the opposite of each other:

Team Obama: bail out the banks and destroy government investment in new growth model.

Team Cameron: bail out the banks and destroy government investment in new growth model (+austerity).

TOTALLY different!

Tony's picture

Obama hardly deserves any praise here though. The argument over how we pay off the debt, whilst important in ensuring it doesnt get any worse, is largely irrelevant if nothing is done to address the reasons it occurred in the first place. If nothing else though, good to see the fixed grin wiped off Camerons face for a moment.

Marcus's picture

I do believe Obama when he states that its a different scenario for every country.

Listening to both of them, i always come away disappointed. Is this the best that the western world has to offer?

Bring on Rand Paul. For all his faults such as his views on abortion, his time will come. He will change things over there.

How about over here?

Ed Miliband anyone?

Nah, though not.

thinkov's picture

of course he does by not joining in with the pathetic narative of incompetence perpetrated by Osborne and his wanker mates

That arsehole on newsnight discussing libraries being the subject of most of my ire

Tony's picture

The money all still ends up in the same place. So Obama is being more discreet about how he is re-distrubuting wealth to the wealthy, as no doubt Blair would have been. Possibly we should be thankful to Cameron and Osborne for ramming it down our throats in that at least a few more might sit up and take notice and possibly even protest against it.

Herbert's picture

Well put Tony.

1R4M's picture

Didn't this whole economic mess begin in the Us in the first place

agreed with Tony, well said

Eddy S's picture

i think gordon's biggest mistake was on bank regulation. he jumped to give fred the shred a knighthood and didn't hesitate to save his scottish banks. the problems of debt build up were well known since 2003 onwards. the problem was that booming property and finance sectors were bringing in alot of tax revenue and no-one wanted to spoil the party - obviously like all good things it didn't last forever.

the 'golden rules' invented by gordon - the one's that could have saved his reputation were thrown out the window as spending always gets more votes than saving. with near zero rates, printing money and even more debt the solutions of 2008 saved a property crash in this country - but has left very little ammunition left when the next crisis arrives and that it surely will - starting by exposures to greek government debt that many are exposed too, this is why the chinese are wisely buying prime western technology (moving higher into the value chain) and other trophy assets in the west rather than touching government debt - banks and other financial institutions should stay away from government debt otherwise they will be the one's holding the baby when it all ends in tears. only china will gain from all the coming chaos.

Dave C's picture

Nelson McConnell,

The growth figures given are for two quarters. Even if we are generous and exclude the snow as a factor, the UK has only grown 0.5% in six months, so that's an annualised rate of 1%.

Connor's picture

The official statement estimates that the deficit will be cut to 2.5% in 2015, not '3.3% in 2016', so even faster than you think

Luddite's picture

The problem for many on the political-left is, they are stuck in the past, but still call themselves progressives. The roll of state is to facilitate business and defence. Not to stifle initiative and create dependency. You can't do for others that others should do for themselves, and neither can you keep spending more then you earn, and you can't keep borrowing your way out of debt. It's not rocket science. Eddy S is right. China fully understands these basic realities.

Arturo Bandini's picture

@Stephen Gash - Vote Tory, get Tory policies.

The Scottish and Welsh people value education and egalitarianism more than you and demand that certain things are given priority.

If you care so much for investment in your children's future, why don't you vote for it?

Stuart Eels's picture

You are quite right Luddite, now watch out for all the bullshit aimed at you.

Asiseeit's picture

I'm smiling too, nice one Obama.

zsremrxc's picture

"yanked the global economy out of recession" – an implicit endorsement of the last Labour government's fiscal stimulus.

Why does anyone believe anything these cretins say... they are the ones who caused our demise and they will be the ones who will turn a deaf ear to our cries... naturally you will never believe the truth... war between the USA and Europe anyone.

Stuart Eels's picture

Arturo Bandini

If you knew anything on which you pass such stupid comments, you would know that we can't demand "certain things to be given ptiority because Blair Brown and Cameron have all refused us to have equality with the rest of the UK by having an English Parliament!

Luddite's picture

Labour spent 13 year's running up Britain's appalling defict and called it investment.

Livers's picture

Fuck off Luddite. The US president makes comments on the UK fiscal policy and all you can say is Labour blah blah 13 years.

JUST. FUCK. OFF.

There, thats better.

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