Tory MP bids to ban the veil
Philip Hollobone begins attempt to introduce repressive ban with private member’s bill today.
By George Eaton Published 30 June 2010 14:02
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107 comments
Muhammed said 'In a democratic and free country women can choose to dress as they wish,Just accept it.'
Actually we live in a parliamentary sovereignty,elected representative make laws on behalf of the population and ones of those laws could be to ban the niqab and the burqa.So you Just accept it.
My, my, how the political compass has gone haywire. Here's a magazine of the Left (supposedly) where a writer calls a bid to ban the burqa "repressive", and a number of posters write in defence of this prison tent.
The burqa is an insult to men and women. Weather or not the Koran demands the wearing of the vweil, the burqa or just "modest" dress, whatever that means, Islam is the most sex obsessed religion to exist anywhere, ever, It is a belief system that considers all men to be rapists who cannot control their "urges" at the site of a bare ankle. It sees women as nothing more than an object of these "urges".
Every time I see one of the shrouds wandering down Oxford Street, usually three paces behind some neanderthal man, I feel desperately sorry that the woman will neveer know the joy of the wind blowing on your face, contempt for a religion that condones this, and determination that the shroud has no place on the streets of a modern, democratic or progressive society.
Muhammed,
For your benefit, I have copied a typical problem from the islamweb advice page. Although this is confidential, as the identities of the girl and the Mullah are not given I feel it is safe to show it here.
The girl (age not given) writes:
“my father has abused me sexually when i was a child.will i ever get any justice regarding dat.the memory of those horrible moments almost kills me.i fail to respect him eventhough one has to respect ones parent howsoever he is.but its an injustice on me,i try hard to forget but fail to do so.i face difficulty even in deciding to get married because i feel dirty..i cant even speak about this to mom because i dont want to hurt her.i feel depressed and alone and am facing a difficulty in trusting any man at all.”
This is the advice she is given:
“If what you mentioned about your father is true that he had abused you sexually, then he had committed a serious crime and he must repent of it. If you have any suspicions against him, then you have to wear Hijaab in his presence and avoid being in seclusion with him, for further information, refer to Fatwa 88782.
You should do your best to forget this horrible issue and occupy yourself with performing Thikr, reciting the Quran, accompanying righteous women and other useful activities. This incident should never prevent you from marriage, and if you feel that you need the help of a reliable psychiatrist, then you should get it.
As for your hatred towards your father because of what he had done to you, then you are not sinful because it is a matter of heart and an uncontrollable feeling.
Nevertheless, you should never offend him; otherwise you would be disobedient as one has to be dutiful to his/her parents even if they were wrongdoers. For further information, refer to Fatwa 88782.
Finally, it is impermissible for you to tell your mother or anyone about this incident.
Allaah Knows best.”
Note that in the reply to her heart-rending plea for help she is forbidden from reporting this crime, not even to her mother, least of all to the police. Note that she is blamed for the crime for not wearing a hijab and for being alone with her own father. Her punishment for this “horrible issue” is to spend her life reciting the Quran and spending her time with “righteous women”, whatever that means. Finally she is told not to be disobedient to her father as she has to be dutiful to him. This means that whenever he drops his trousers she has to accommodate him. Some Mullah, some religion.
Open your eyes Muhammed to what is going on around you.
In some countries in the world white, christian females are made to cover their head, apparently to show respect to the adopted religion and culture of the host country. But in the UK we can't do the opposite because it is an attack on freedoms. Actually, so was the London bombings when one terrorist escaped dressed in female muslim clothing. Bike riders are required to remove their helmets in many buidings for security but not muslim women as this is marginalisation. Wow double standards abound. As one comment above rightly suggests - you do not know if the wearer of the descise
is a women or a muslim. Surly this is a problem.
Muhammed,
I have given you an example of the abuse that some Moslem women suffer at the hands of family members, in this case a paedophile father, of which you seem unaware.
For your further education, here is another incident from the islamweb website:
A Moslem man writes:
“I live in United States and I had sex with a Jewish girl. Some of my friends said that's ok because she wants to. I feel that what I do is wrong, but I feel happy when I kiss her and when I squeeze her breasts and so on I want your opinion for what I do?”
The Mullah replies:
“Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds; and blessings and peace be upon our Prophet Muhammad and upon all his Family and Companions.
What your friends told you is not right because what you did is Zina which is forbidden in all monotheistic religions. Islam considers Zina as a major sin. Allah Says (interpretation of meaning): {And come not near to the unlawful sexual intercourse. Verily, it is a Fâhishah [i.e. anything that transgresses its limits (a great sin)], and an evil way (that leads one to Hell unless Allâh forgives him).}[17:32].
We do not see any good in your having any relation with this Zania (whore). Know that if she accepts to have sex with you, this means she accepts having sex with many other men. This is not in accord with the life the Muslim should lead. In fact, the Muslim should not build a family on a wrong base.
On the other hand, this woman is Jewish and the Jews are known to be traitors and dissolute.
Now, you must repent to Allah from this major sin and end all relations with this indecent woman. Then you should look for a good Muslim woman. Allah Says (interpretation of meaning): And indeed a slave woman who believes is better than a (free) Mushrikah (idolatress, etc.), even though she pleases you.}[2:221].
Know also that the perverse and bad environment where you live is one cause for your falling in this illicit relationship. The other cause is your weak relation with Allah. Fear Allah and abide by His Commands. Allah will provide you with that which is good for you. Use legal means to get a good and pious wife.
Allah knows best. “
Note the hateful and racist comments the Mullah makes about a young woman he has never met.
The statement that Jews are known to be traitors and dissolute is as invalid as saying that Moslems are known to be paedophiles and suicide bombers.
Your comments please.
In a democratic and free country women can choose to dress as they wish,Just accept it.
If you find the widespread oppression of muslim women in this country then please take your grievances to the relavent authorities.
The pleasing thing about this debate is muslim women in general are driving the religion of Islam forward by embracing the ways the Qur'an and Sunnah.
There are many social ill's I could name which are far more "impolite" than the veil.Tolerance is what is needed,You do what you want but don't dictate to muslims how we must dress or worship in order not to appear "impolite" to the likes of you.
I find the burqa utterly repulsive; it's both threatening and a symbol of the subjugation of women. But I would not want to see a total ban on it, as this would only give Muslims yet another excuse to feel martyred.
However, I do not see that women should be allowed to wear the burqa in any situation where other people are forbidden to hide their faces, such as banks. Obviously, where a photocard is required, they should be obliged to show their face.
One poster has written that niqabis are unemployable in situations where they have to interact face to face with the general public. Untrue: I've heard of a niqabi librarian, boycotted by some of the borrowers.
Think, too, of the case of the would-be classroom assistant. A large number of niqabis study pharmacy, so you may find one in your friendly local chemist's pretty soon.
I for one, would dislike that, and I would like it even less if I found myself being treated by a niqabi doctor or social worker, or 'helped' by a niqabi solicitor. I just hope that day never comes.
I think we give in to Muslims far to much already in matters of employment: those checkout assistants who are allowed to refuse to handle alcohol, the chemists who refuse to issue the morning-after pill, the £4k award to a young woman in a hijab who applied for work in an edgy hair salon...
And, for goodness' sake -- there are Muslim countries that ban the burqa, or forbid the wearing of the niqab in schools.