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@ writeoff: "I agree with your statement that the USA should "protect its boarders". I think there's hope for you yet."
@AI "Such gleaming examples of human rights and democracy!" Well yeah they are. At least that's what the NewStatesman think anyway.
"P.S. Actually in Iran they speak Farsi (Persian), and aren't Arabs. Just, you know, for info." Actually, yes you are right my mistake Farsi is the national language of Iran, and most Iranians aren't Arab. Which is why most Iranians that I know and talk to hate Ahmadinejad and the Ayatollah establishment.
@Dancer: "@Concerned,Venezuela has over 40 languages, and Spanish certainly aint one of the indigenous ones. In Iran there are six language groups, of which the Persian language group is the largest (and Farsi the largest language in that)- Arabic is a minority language.
Additionally, keeping America a Christian nation is a laughable argument, seeing as how it's a secular state (or at least that was the intention of the founding fathers)."
Oh wow Venezuela has over 40 languages, Iran has six, but that's way less than the 337 languages spoken in the US. But no that number can't be right, the US is supposed to be a monolingual country. I bet you it's the Jews messing with our heads again. I bet you it is. It's always them.
And when did I ever talk about religion? Or even intimidate that point?
04 June 2010 at 19:16
M, all those things you mention should be quoted when hizb ut tahrir or anjem choudury or any of those demagogues and hate-speakers come out to rally: "Jews you need another holocaust!" "Behead those that insult islam", "British soldiers are murderers". its all incitement to hate and to do people harm, but you don't speak against that. Probably because it makes you excited..."
Juniper, you know nothing of what I do or don't stand against. Guess what? You have simply confirmed that the EDL and its members have no coherent arguments, and simply resort to base insults whenever challenged by anyone who doesn't agree with their simplified world view.
Spamming the comments with EDL propoganda isn't going to make me convert to EDLism either. I don't, and never will, agree with ANY hate group, especially when they use terrorist tactics to try and browbeat people into submission.
EDL? I'll never surrender, to your shower of terrorist football thugs.
oh silly nicholas .....as if you love the majority of English people who disagree with you.....You brought your kind of law to India.What a joke to bring that up when you are scared of foreigners bringing Sharia law to England.And where do I say that i did not know there were Muslim nazi units but in case you dont know the vast majority of Nazis remained Christian.You try and label and demonize Muslims and cant see that Hitler was part of your saxon heritage,beer drinking savage tribes who conquered out of greed not because of a will to help dysfuntional colonies.What an idiot you must be who lives in cloud cuckoo land.Hitler also only took Muslims into the SS at the end of the was when he was short of manpower.He had no choice.Grandparents my arse.England invaded India 250 years ago how old do you think my grandparents are?Why do you think every nation that you in your perversity believe Enfgland did good for remebers the British Empire as evil.?Its payback time .You can start by sending back all the treasures you have looted to all the colonies you have stolen from.Who says India wanted British unity,Maybe you might want to ask the 250 indigenous nations of Australia and the 1000 indigenous tribes of North America wether they wanted your British enforced unity.The only second rate thing about England is you.....and you unbelievable arrogance .You have no empire mate.You rely on communist China to keep your economy afloat and all you do is preach hate.Go to hell wether thats a Muslim or Christian hell I dont really mind.Just go
I am a British Jew, with very mixed background. I am part of the Jewish Division of the EDL and I am proud of it.
I tell you why. Firstly because the EDL are the only people in this country that have the courage to stand up and speak against these Islamo-fascists who are working day and night to deprive our civilization of our hard earned Freedom and rights. Under Islam women's rights are non-existent. Freedom of choice is unheard of, and submission in everything is all you get.
Most of you are of course, irrationally ignorant because you have not lived in their countries or even other countries as I have, so you speak from the comfort of your homes, not knowing that the crocodile is outside, just waiting for you. And when you weaken, he will eat you.
I agree with Johnny Heartbreaker. These "Jewish leaders" do NOT speak for us all, certainly not for me. And despite them calling themselves leaders, they are not able to lead anything. They cannot even unite them in one common goal. The EDL can, and does. It's as simple as that.
I refer to the comment on this page, allegedly said by "a Jewish leader" Mark Gardner, whom I don't even know (Thankfully): "The EDL intimidate entire Muslim communities, causing tension and fear. Jews ought to remember that we have long experience of being on the receiving end of this kind of bigotry."
This idiot knows nothing about the EDL, and his comments are the typical idiotic rhetoric used by Islamist appeasers, those people who are devoid of manhood and scared shitless of calling the enemy by it's name: ISLAM. Islam IS our enemy, and Muslims who attempt to bring this CULT to our land, are also our enemies. DEAL WITH IT.
Regarding the comment from another supposed Jewish Leader, Jon Benjamin:
"The EDL's supposed 'support' for Israel is empty and duplicitous. It is built on a foundation of Islamophobia and hatred which we reject entirely."
Absolute RUBBISH. The EDL support for Israel is true, genuine, HONOURABLE and devoid of any malice. And quite frankly I couldn't care less what kind of idiot decides to state otherwise, as they don't know us, they don't know the EDL, and they don't know the JEWISH DIVISION of the EDL either. Besides this man speaks for himself. I do not reject the EDL, and neither do hundreds of other Jews who joined us. They actually came to us, we NEVER went out recruiting or asked them to come. Understand that.
I am amused by some people here who claim to have "evidence" of the EDL being violent and racist, and fascist, and bla bla bla.... my friends, ANYONE can EDIT and twist the videos to make others look bad. And while I am not denying that there are bad people everywhere in the world, you have FAILED MISERABLY to expose the actual violence that comes from ISLAM and MUSLIMS towards Westerners, and I don't mean only British, I mean ALL westerners.
If the EDL has a handful of angry boys, the Muslims have ALL OF THEM angry boys and girls and OLD PEOPLE too. Frankly we SHOULD be angry. We have all the rights to be angry.
If some ass came to my country and started trying to change our rules to suit their tent wearing people, I would be pretty pissed off.
I would also be pretty angry if one day, the streets I walk on have turned into a NO-GO area for me or my people in my own country.
So, it's YOU LOT who are contributing to our anger. Your idiotic approach to the situation, and your utter ignorance of their manipulative and political ideology, is what gets us angry. And the more you do it, the more we British people will fight back against all of you who keep on appeasing these people, and sucking up to them.
In the last 2 weeks we had sikhs, Hindus, Zoroastrians, and many Jamaicans joining us to defend our country, and ALL OF THEM are from different backgrounds. So HOW is the EDL racist?
Your deceitful media will not win this time. This time we are making it big and we will grow very very fast, because we ARE a MULTICULTURAL group (NOT organization) who fight for the SAME GOAL, which is OUR FREEDOM.
And be warned. For our freedom we will fight very hard and we will NEVER SURRENDER.
In the 1930's people went marching around the east end saying Jews were alien/ non British/ taking over the world/ formed no go areas. The first immigration restriction laws were applied to Jews
You go to the demos, let them take over then you'll be killed/ deported after the Muslims.... Blacks .... Hispanics .... Southeast Asian, Non Muslim South Asians, South Europeans....
Don't worry I'll be booking my flight when I sense the downhill spiral
The EDL is an organisation that has to constantly try to prove that it is *not* racist - surely there is a reason why people perceive it as such, maybe because of all the racial and religious hatred that does the rounds on its Facebook page and forum?
To "Joe" who I am assuming is the same "Joe" who is the administrator of the EDL Jewish division Facebook group.
"Funny how Ed USoB is just spamming the New Statesmen with his own site. A site that no-one's heard of.."
Which is the reason why the EDL tried to imitate them?
"It's strange how none of the reports of the Dudley demo showed the sikh lady giving a speech, or the little russian girl and her speech."
Sorry the little Russian girl that was cynically exploited by the EDL, how old was she? 10? 12? The EDL members regularly bring young children to their "protests" where they are exposed to vulgar language, which demonstration was it where EDL members knocked down metal fences? As for the "Sikh" lady, I'll leave to other readers to find out the truth behind "Sikhs against Sharia" not only are their anti-Islam comments hilarious so is their grasp of Sikhism.
"..since beginning of March (demos at London, Bolton and Dudley), far more muslim-supporters were arrested than were EDL.."
Ok so we've found out your real view, anyone opposed to the EDL are now "Muslim supporters"? I thought the EDL were only against the "extremist" Muslims? Funny how the EDL say one thing yet many of their members believe another? If senior figures within the EDL can't get their story straight how we expect the ordinary member to know exactly what you guys are opposing?
"Why is it muslims are allowed to use an offensive term to refer to us, yet we (quite rightly) are not allowed to use an offensive term to refer to muslims?"
Kuffar is a genuine word in Arabic which simply means "disbeliever" the same way "gentile" refers to a non-Jew, it can be used in a derogatory context and the word I prefer is non-Muslim, it depends on the context that the word is used. The word "muzzie" however is always offensive and designed to cause offence. It is not a real word and there is no legitimate usage of it.
As for the "Sikh" (Guramit Singh) who said Muslims will burn in hell on the spur of the moment, this is the same "Sikh" who in the Guardians' undercover reporting said and I quote:
"Bradford will be huge. The problem with Bradford is the security threat, it is a hight populated Muslim area. They are very militant aswell. It don't take f@cking much for those P@kis to walk in there and set a bomb off"
It is not the first time he has made racist remarks, he has been caught making them several times yes the EDL claims to kick out racists, they can not tell me why they have not removed Guramit Singh from the leadership position within their organisation and it is quite evident that the EDL are only going to Bradford in order to create tension and instigate violence.
I really could go on but the EDL are digging their own grave, I am glad that other communities are not falling for their propaganda.
EDL represent what is the worst about England.I love the English who hate the mentality of the EDL.I was born in the UK but have emigrated from the delusional mentality of superiority that some English people still have.Hello you no longer have your greedy evil empire so go suck......And by the way Hitler was not a Muslim he was a white catholic.And also by the way thousands of muslims died for the English in the second world war.....and yes Afghanistan and Iraq are still a bloody mess.You kill your brave soldiers for what?You should be proud of your soldiers but you should not ignore it when they are sacrificed for zilch.,...
If I quoted wikipedia - which so obviously offends you - was solely for the reason that I don't wish to be seen as quoting any 'liberal', 'lefty' media as you might elonquently put it.
As for my knowledge of pre-Nazi Germany, it is - unfortunately for you - vast enough to have spent 2 years studying it at University. I'm not calling anyone a Nazi, I'm identifying the similarities of the breeding ground and rethoric of National Socialism to the EDL's. And if you knew anything about it, it wo
I hate racists, boy, do I hate racists.
So thankfully we have David Cameron now as the big chief calling the shots, hopefully he will cap immigrants to 1000 per year thus taking the wind out of the sails of the BNP, thats what we all want, isnt it ?
Ps, Did I mention I hate racists .
As a British Jew, it's about time the leaders condemned the EDL, it's like the NF was anti semitic, the EDL/BNP is Islamophobic. If Jews join the EDL, it will cause tensions between the larger Jewish population who do not support the EDL and the Muslim population. It's like when Israel does something wrong, Jews are blamed for it, we need to distance ourselves from the EDL and disassociate ourselves.
Here in monolingual USofA we have plenty of flag-waving ethnocentric blowhards disguising their prejudices and xenophobia behind campaigns to protect our borders and keep America a Christian nation. Demanding government deny non-residents medical care, and using law enforcement checks to verify a persons residency is suggestive of totalitarian regimes, not of the "land of the free".
"Which is why most Iranians that I know and talk to hate Ahmadinejad and the Ayatollah establishment."
That would be the Persian Shia establishment, would it? I shan't deign to reply to your barb about the NS.
If the EDL are such experts on Islam and Islamism, perhaps their supporters here could answer the following few questions, in their own words:
1. What is the difference between Shia and Sunni?
2. Which represents the majority?
3. Al-Qa'ida: Sunni, Shia or Wahhabist?
4. What does Jihad actually mean?
5. What is the English translation of Sharia?
If you're seriously concerned, well-informed, peaceful protesters, prove it.
So much hatred ... so many mislead people ... so many narrow minded view points ... fear is the enemy ... the truth is that we are all the same ... we are humanity, trying to make sense of the world and our lives ... we are humanity; we are people who live on Earth ... we are like children who really can not understand the complexity of this infinite Universe ... we have all been
primed or programmed to think; to speak; to be in a particular state of mind that thinks it knows what is right or true ... Please, calm down ... stop racing ahead .... understand that you know nothing ... nothing ... all human history is our history ...
You Are WE Am i ... and please remember that Fear is the enemy ... so much to say but i must go now ... kind regards to all my human
brothers and sisters.
Religious leaders are all frauds so who cares what they say or think!
I've never understood patriotism, racism, or the right in general. All nuts, imo, and, in this case, looking for trouble.
@BliarBlair - normally I'd agree with your comment, but in this case they (the Board of Deputies) have a good point.
To the EDL supporters who say that we who are against them know nothing, again thats rubbish, i have seen first hand what EDL are capable of,also how is it possible to 'twist' vidoe footage of hundreds of EDL supporters cheering when Singh made the speech about muslims burning in hell? how can you 'twist' the footage of them chanting "build your mosque and we'll F***ing burn it down"? How can you twist the fact that they picket KFC for serving halal meat? it all happens, no-one twists it! They are anti-islamic not anti militant islam.
I hate racists, and fascists, and communists, and Islamists. Love England, and support the EDL. Oh, I support Israel as well, whether they want me to or not!
@Concerned, read the quote you took from Geoff when replying to him, then you will see where the Christianity bit came from.
You made the point of when in Rome, I merely put it to you that actually all these countries you hold up as being gleaming examples of everyone speaking the same language are, er, 'flimsy', shall we say? And then you descend into drivel.
Morrigan, Rishrosh & Johnny, you really could do with looking a bit more into the recent history of the Diaspora in Europe - say the past 200 years? Keywords I suggest are 'Pogrom' and 'Sturmabteilung'. I also suggest you look at the EDL's attitude to people who don't eat pork and to ritual religious slaughter. Your support for the ELD is short memoried and short sighted.
This problem is not of the EDL's making, its the governments'. If you are down at the grassroots level instead of in your ivory towers and protected communities you would have very different outlook on this huge problem. Once again its the WORKING people who are having to bear the brunt of this misjudgement and BAD planning in immigration policy. Its v precarious to have to negotiate your way through predominately muslim areas if you are non muslim and this is absolutely outrageous and at times v frightening. This IS the story pure and simple. Non muslim people are being driven from their homes by anti social behaviour and apparently they are supposed to lie 'down and give in when their door is kicked in'. The muslims MUST learn to rectify the behaviour of those amongst them ( and its a considerable number unfortunately)who intimidate and abuse non muslims. Its AWAYS easy to fling the 'racist, fascist' label at people who have hardly a racist bone in their bodies, but who are frightened, and overwhelmed at the abuse they receive ( me and my son included). We are then told we are not allowed to say anything about it, and then this just throws fuel on a smouldering fire and makes the perpetrators clap their hands gleefully. IS IT NOT POSSIBLE THAT IT IS THE MUSLIMS WHO ARE THE RACISTS? Since we are constantly subject to racist comments flung at us, simply because we are of white skin and different religion? The time for dialogue over this is long gone, and peoples' concerns have been ignored, therefore abandoned people feel desperate and will come out from the wall 'all guns blazing'. Revolution is never far away, it only takes all the right conditions to arrive, and in England, all those conditions are almost complete.BTW, jewish people have NEVER been abusive and their behaviour is exemplary. This cannot be said for a certain section of the muslim community. The muslims MUST fix this themselves.
"Here in monolingual USofA we have plenty of flag-waving ethnocentric blowhards disguising their prejudices and xenophobia"
In Saudi Arabia and Iran they speak Arabic. In Venezuela they speak Spanish. In Russia they speak Russian. When in Rome, do as the Romans.
"behind campaigns to protect our borders and keep America a Christian nation."
So those who argue America should protect its boarders are now racists?
"Demanding government deny non-residents medical care, and using law enforcement checks to verify a persons residency is suggestive of totalitarian regimes, not of the "land of the free"."
But the problem is these people are illegal immigrants who crossed the American-Mexican border through illegal means. The irony here is that if the US wasn't the land of the free, why would they cross the border in the first place?
"In Saudi Arabia and Iran they speak Arabic. In Venezuela they speak Spanish."
Such gleaming examples of human rights and democracy!
P.S. Actually in Iran they speak Farsi (Persian), and aren't Arabs. Just, you know, for info.
Dancer, what are you talking about? Get your "facts" straight.
Where is the quote and reference for people who don't eat pork etc, from an official EDL site?
[In the 1930's people went marching around the east end saying Jews were alien/ non British/ taking over the world/ formed no go areas. The first immigration restriction laws were applied to Jews]
Yes, but they are not anymore. I see the present, and look to the future. The past is to be learned from, not lived in.
[You go to the demos, let them take over then you'll be killed/ deported after the Muslims.... Blacks .... Hispanics .... Southeast Asian, Non Muslim South Asians, South Europeans....]
You are confusing the EDL with nazis, which is not the case. We have blacks, Asians, Jews, etc in the EDL, so your comments are very far from the reality. But you wouldn't know that, would you?
[The EDL is an organisation that has to constantly try to prove that it is *not* racist - surely there is a reason why people perceive it as such, maybe because of all the racial and religious hatred that does the rounds on its Facebook page and forum?]
Or is it perhaps because they have to constantly keep educating people like you, who mistake a legitimate enemy with delusions of racial or religious hatred?
"You are confusing the EDL with nazis, which is not the case. We have blacks, Asians, Jews, etc in the EDL, so your comments are very far from the reality. But you wouldn't know that, would you?"
I'm sure many aren't racist. The major funder Alan Lake definitely isn't and genuinely beliefs in hat he's saying. What I'm saying it is clear many, significant do. I haven't been to a rally but the EDL haven't been in a mosque but claims 1 episode of dispatches is how all Muslims behave. Opening the door to this is a slippery slope to marches against other scapegoat groups.
Most Jews DO support the EDL. The Jews in the UK have a lefty leadership who are simply scared to upset Mislems in General. Thats fine as most are OK, but lots of Jews know that in 25 years time England will be radically Islamified. Jews have a common enemy with the English and the rest of Europe. Its just that some Jews are a little worried that the EDL has many old NF members which in the past had Nazi anti Jewish views. Maybe they have grown up though and seen that Englands enemies are certainly not jews but Islamics. If the EDL could completly distance itself from the BNP and the NF, then the Vast VAST majority of jews would support it and probabaly join. I know many Jews that have gone on the EDL's demos. After all, British Jews are very British and hate Islamic Extremism. They also support Israel who is getting the brunt of Islamic Extremism and they know if Israel falls the rest of the west is next. I say good on the EDL and good that they fly some Israeli flags.
I have been in mosques under disguise and I have seen and recorded them preaching hate and death to the West. Not one mosque, not two, but 25 of them. I got them all listed, and evidence of it to back me up.
You have not met anyone from the EDL, have you? I guess not. The EDL get a lot of bad publicity but these are just lies to de-legitimaze a legitimate group created by people of all backgrounds who have joined under the EDL banner to fight for ONE common goal. That's the bottom line.
The EDL are not racists or fascists. Football hooligans exist everywhere, not only in the EDL, but we do not cheer for football when we are in our demos. And I can point out to you many more racist people in Islamic countries than in Britain alone.
Frankly people not liking another race does not bother me. I hate no one, not even them. And some have their own reasons for hating certain people. This does not mean they are "racists" per se. I don't like many Muslims, but this does not mean I am "racist" or Islamophobic. I am not afraid of Islam for starters, I just despise the cult. You can say I am an Islamomisist. That would be the correct word.
And one more thing, some of us from the EDL have been in mosques, as I said. Disguised. So you wouldn't even have known we were there.
Here's a helpful tip, dont be a pedantic asshole all your life, son.
Just try, eh ?
"C-, must try harder."
You're a teacher now? My God it's no wonder your students have no idea what they're talking about.
These leftist media stories are so silly and far from the truth. The EDL are merely wanting to protest violent Islam. If Muslims react, it just demonstrates the truth of the EDL's position.
If a group of gays protested in front of a Cathedral, would it cause the Christians to violently riot? Of course not.
Daniel Trilling is the Editor of New Humanist magazine. He was formerly an Assistant Editor at the New Statesman.