Tory peer launches bizarre attack on Muslim MPs
Baroness Warsi declares that Muslims who go to parliament “don’t have any morals or principles”.
By George Eaton Published 05 May 2010 11:56
The Conservatives' Sayeeda Warsi is under fire this morning after declaring that she didn't want to see more Muslim MPs, because "Muslims that go to parliament don't have any morals or principles".
Next Left, which broke the story, reports that Warsi's comments were included in an unpublished Times story by the reporters Andrew Norfolk, Tom Baldwin and Richard Ford.
Whether the Times, which has amended headlines to suit the Conservatives in recent weeks, runs the story remains to be seen.
The full comments by Warsi, which were made in a speech at a Yorkshire dinner in honour of the president of Kashmir, were:
[He] says we need more Muslim MPs, more Muslims in the House of Lords. I would actually disagree with that, because one of the lessons we have learnt in the last five years in politics is that Muslims that go to parliament don't have any morals or principles.
It would seem that the Tory peer, who is a practising Muslim and the shadow minister for community cohesion, has rather a lot of explaining to do. The Times report notes that there are more than 80 Muslim candidates standing in tomorrow's election, including several Tories in winnable seats.
Baroness Warsi is quoted as saying that her original remarks were mistranslated and taken "completely out of context", which seems a rather insufficient defence.
Let's hope we get a response from the Times and David Cameron later today.
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32 comments
Or maybe she is referring to MPs such as Khalid Mahmood: voted in favour of the Afghanistan and Iraq war, voted in favour of all the anti-terrorism legislation which was criticised for targeting Muslims and voted in favour of control orders again targeted at Muslims. He was also involved in the expenses scandal after claiming for a 5 Star hotel where he stayed with his girlfriend.
It is true that decadent Muslims seem to be more likely to get a promotion in life.
Or maybe she is referring to MP's such as Khalid Mahmood: voted in favour of the Afghanistan and Iraq war, voted in favour of all the anti-terrorism legislation which was criticised for targeting Muslims and voted in favour of control orders again targeted at Muslims. He was also involved in the expenses scandal after claiming for a 5 Star hotel where he stayed with his girlfriend.
It is true that decadent Muslims seem to be more likely to get a promotion in life.
The British Muslims, predominently of Pakistani orgin,are slowly establishing their dominance in British politics by their sheer number. Shaid malik, the Yorkshire M.P. and former Justice Minister said at a recent gathering that, over time, the British Parliament would be entirely Muslim.This is a dangerous prelude their developing a parallel culture of hatred, blood thirst and jihad in Britain, supported by militant Mullahs from the
Middle east and Pakistan. Don't forget, the 7/7/2005 mass murder of innocent people in London was planned and carried out by Muslims, born and brought up in U.K.The rise of militant Islam is posing as much danger to the British nation as its present national debt. Islam, by definition, is opposed to democracy. Politicians, wake up!!
Sheer number? I can count the amount on my hands!
I thought you were referring to Pakistanis in politics.
I live in a very multi-cultural area, so I am aware of the "sheer number". As of 2001 (outdated, yes) 1.3% of the population was Pakistani. Although that has undoubtedly risen, I doubt it is higher than 3%.
Also, if you're so annoyed with Pakistanis coming to the UK in their "sheer numbers" then maybe take a look at the history of the British Empire.
I am a white British atheist, who lives in a very multi-cultural working class town in northern England. On my road, I have six Muslim families. At Eid, they invite me round for a meal and at Christmas, they send me a card. They are some of the kindest and most thoughtful people I know. Please don't say that the only tolerant people are those that live in predominately white areas. It isn't true. The government haven't "brainwashed" me - I have come to this conclusion after getting to know many people from different backgrounds to my own.
Az, why do I feel the need to? I am simply stating my opinion. I have commented with my take on issues that DO actually concern me.
Yes, I am white and I am not Asian. However, I am from a family of eastern European migrants. I live in an area where there is a heck of a lot of racism. I don’t like it, so I feel the need to comment on it. I don’t pretend to be affected by it myself. It is simply an issue (in my mind) of right and wrong.
I'm not proclaiming that I voice the opinion of your community – far from it! I am aware that people of ALL races have different takes on this issue and one community does not have a homogeneous view on whether it is welcome or wanted. I know that some members of my wider family (who are Pakistani) do not agree with you at all.
Of course Parliament needs to be more diverse, of course we need open debate. Open debate comes from both sides though. I know you probably feel that I don’t have a clue what I’m talking about but racism in the community doesn’t just impact on the recipients of it but also on the community as a whole.
Really interesting debate. What is really interesting about it, like channel 4 news consistently do... is a group of white people discuss issues that do not impact on them.
Laura you are typical of these people that feel they need to voice an opinion for me and my community. Why do you feel the need to? Its not welcome nor is it wanted.
As to the others my community deserves its own voice (yes so Laura that's NOT you). I feel that with more members of parliament from more diverse backgrounds they will engage their own communities and harness their energy and skills.
A simple point: to address discontent that leads to terrorism people need a voice. Give those people a voice and disperse their concerns.
I kind of agree with Warsi on two fronts: first, if you want Chriistian morals, look the other way than the politics; and secondly, it is true that Muslims live by their holy Book, which states explicitly that "infidels" - you and me - should all be killed! In other words, the Muslim politics is incompatible with a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. You do not "kill" people you disagree with!
@ Jack....
Maybe you should stop reading the Daily Mail.....
No intention of correcting this?
See the LFF, who have withdrawn elements of this story.
Anonymous seems to unaware that the most powerful terrorist group in the world, the CIA, is Christian. A conservative estimate credits the CIA with orchestrating 90% of the "suicide bombings" in Iraq and Afghanistan and 100% of the bombings in Pakistan
John:
Yeah right! Silly me,I had forgotten how much more enlightened the Bible was, compared to the Koran. Like women must submit to their husbands and homosexuals should be killed.See? same rubbish!
Christian morality, what is that? it is to obey this god in the sky who wants you to be good or else you go to hell! Very advanced philosophy that is!Listen John, the Muslims are not worse than the Christians when it comes to obey what their ancient books tell them to do. It is all the same absurd superstitions.
And I do not believe that what the American Christian Evangelists believe is any less dangerous that what Islamists believe.
Look at your own extremists in your own religious culture before you go ranting at the others. You are just a prejudiced bigot, John!
Thats a very sad thing for her to say, given that she is a Muslim MP herself and regardless of the context - saying this is a huge generalization and one which is not becoming of educated people.
Secondly, with respect to the Christian and Muslim debate - thank you Laura for injecting some voice of reason. Both religions are evangelical in nature and both share alot of similar traditions; there are fundamentalists in religions other than Islam as well and there have been mass-murders by colonial powers in the history of mankind - it would be juvenile to label a community with something a handful have perpetuated.
Oh and just a quick clarfication to Desert Voice:
from someone who has read the Quran - nowhere in that book, or in any books of Hadith (sayings of the Prophet (pbuh)) is it commanded to kill non-believers unless they convert. Whoever says it - including misinformed Muslims, is in violation with the command : 'There is no compulsion in Religion...' [Quran: 2:257]
Daniele, Where do I even begin with your stupidity?? First of all, name one Christian terrorist group right off the top of your head. I bet you cant. Secondly, Western civilization was built with Biblical pricipals as a foundation. Where would you rather live, in a Christian nation or a Muslim nation?? I think we all know what your answer would be. So stop making a fool of yourself with your ridiculous comments. Youre obviously an anti Christian Bigot!
The west has been flooded with Muslims leaving their hell holes. Even they'd rather live in a Christian nation.
We don't want them here why don't they go away. they have been nothing but trouble since they arrived. We helped them out by takin them from war torn countrys were there livin in mud huts with goats. And they come here granted work hard. Have a better life and then tell us what we can say do and how to run our country what a cheek. Say what you think I do.i know media and labour cencor and brain wash people but think and say what you think. And iv noticed left wing facists tend to live in white areas and are out of touch with whats goin on.iv lived in muslim areas and see them change and destroy our culture over the years.they don't want to intergrate are rude and disrespectful.see for your self londan leeds manchester bradford before you slate people.
Jack, You want lots of priests in parliament, to rape children?
Laura,
Sheer number? Well, please pay a visit to Bradford, Luton, Oldham,Burnley, Dewsbury, Tower Hamlet, Hackney,East Ham, Glasgow East and other places. This number will double in the next 30 years.
Anon - "name one Christian terrorist group right off the top of your head. I bet you cant."
Er...Northern Ireland might be of some use to you!!
FYI....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
Educate yourself with the wonderful Wiki!
So, by her standards ALL politicians "don't have any morals or principles"
Well, we knew that...just look at phillipa Stroud!
Anonymous:
Since you call me "stupid", it is Ok to call you ignorant, I assume.
In my comment about Christian and Muslim morality, I didn't mean just today, in our present historical time.
Talking about Muslim terrorist groups is irrelevant here as these people are simply using Islam as an identity badge and a rallying point while their real motivation is entirely political. It happens that Muslim countries are now going through some difficult times, mainly because of the West Foreign policy but in fact it has little to do with the fundamental nature of Islam, which can be, in better circumstances, peaceful and tolerant. That was the case in the Middle Ages when the Moors culture was mostly tolerant and enlightened while the Christian nations were at their most barbaric.
You see, Anonymous,the way people practise their religion is very dependant of the ambient culture and how advanced that society is.
A lot of what we consider barbaric in some Muslim countries is linked to the culture, not necessarily with Islam.
If you take a wider historical view of the 2 religions, there is hardly any difference in their so-called morality. The fact they have a common origin explains why.
Like Laura says, the IRA defined itself as a Catholic organisation and they had no hesitation in murdering people, other Christians even, which is even more telling!
Throughout history of course, I could think of countless examples of Christian atrocities, starting with the murderous crusades, the Inquisition right down to the KKK, the American White Supremacists and the IRA.
All in all, people have been murdering each other in the name of their god throughout history. So please don't tell me about the Christians being a better sort of human beings than the Muslims.
"anti-Christian bigot": I've never been called that before, that's a new one! Next time call me a godless atheist instead.
She's one of those typical South Asians that thinks by voting for non muslims or by becoming an MP, youve turned ur back on ur heritage
ridiculous
The other relevant point here is the fact that many Muslim countries live under the tyranny of an Islamist theocracy, such as Iran.Of course such a religious state will appear barbaric to us with its strict primitive sharia laws imposing cruel punishment to any one challenging the religious authorities.
in the West, thank whatever god, we have got rid of Christian tyranny with the establishment of secular governments. But hang on, we know what Christian theocracies would be capable of. We had them for centuries and the perversity and cruelty that the Catholic and Protestant Churches demonstrated then, had no bound (for example I just learnt recently that, for certain heretics, burning was not enough for the Church. They had to burn for days on a low fire!).
And I have no doubt whatsoever, that if the Christians were allowed to hold power and run the State again, they would be without pity again, and people like me, atheists, would be persecuted and, if not burnt at the stake, at least imprisoned for undermining the Church.
I can imagine this happening in the States in the not so distant future if more and more people became extremist evangelists.
To go back to Baronness Warsi, I have no idea as to what she is trying to do, undermine her own co-religionists?? It does not make any sense.
muslims don't belong anywhere in civil politics. They (99%) try to change our laws designed to protect women and children because of what islam teaches. Very very sad and frightening.
very very germany 1930s, john. just change 'muslims' for 'jews' in that sentence. very very sad and frightening.
The Lord Resistance Army is one of the dirtiest terrorist organizations in the world; there a christian terrorist organization. Evil is pretty spread out across all social movements (Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Atheism, etc)
Someone suggested that these posters might shed some insight on here views:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dmcl/4578501344/in/photostream/
john
05 May 2010 at 12:57
muslims don't belong anywhere in civil politics. They (99%) try to change our laws designed to protect women and children because of what islam teaches. Very very sad and frightening.
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Your comment is bizarre and misinformed! Name a single muslim in civil politics in the UK who has "tried to change laws designed to protect women and children".
There are many in parliament (Sadiq Khan MP, Lord ahmed, Baroness Warsi, Mohammed Sarwar) not to mention the hundreds at local government level.