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It's good to show the reality of war, but there's something unsettling about our delight in graphic
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'It's good to show the reality of war, but there's something unsettling about our delight in graphic pictures of the dead dictator.'
There certainly is.
Interesting point here http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/21/gaddafi-death-future-for-libya about how much we have actually seen of NATO ops in Libya, as opposed to the records of what went on in the Crimean War.
Not unsettling: disgusting, depraved and disgraceful. No weasel words, please. This was confirmation that the West condones, encourages and engages in (according to the Telegraph, the SAS were on the spot and active at the time) war crimes and crimes against humanity. What we saw was clear evidence of a murder and war crime, and the media celebrated it, as viciously and sadistically as the perpetrators. They now owe us an apology - because they assumed I and millions more would want to join in with the sadistic celebrants of a vicarious act of revenge. I don't choose to, since I believe in the rule of law and due process. More than that, I depend on it for my safety, because I am not physically strong and become more vulnerable the more might is allowed to trump right. In a world where the numerous, the strong and the armed are allowed to slaughter the weak and helpless (which Gadaffi was, at the moment of his death) with impunity, people like me have no defence. The media have endangered me with their espousal of the law of the jungle and insulted me by assuming I am a rabid member of a mob. They should be ashamed.
writeon: Who's the ruling elite?
Barny: Didn't Chávez himself praise Gaddafi and echoed directly the views on the Libyan revolution offered by Fidel Castro. Castro has also counselled caution and patience, warning that since the US media was consistently reporting on the insurrection and denouncing Gaddafi's brutal repression it must clearly be suspect. Didn't Daniel Ortega, the left-wing president of Nicaragua, rushed to present himself to the press as a fervent supporter of the Libyan leader. Didn't Nelson Mandela name one of this nephews Gaddafi..
pjwall: I think it's all about consciousness which ultimately has its origins as being allowed to decide for oneself.
Actually the UN did enter Rwanda. The access to oil wasn't an issue so why did the UN enter the country?
Secondly Libya was already granting access to its oil ... most of the oil was sold to an Italian company. The West didn't need to enter the uprising of the people. so you are wrong on that count.
Why didn't Gaddafi just call an election to let the people decide rather than employ fighter jets and foreign mercenaries to keep his emperor like status? I bet you support the Royal Family don't you PJ Wall? You must like unelected queens, kings, emperors, and dictators. Do you think you're one?
There was nothing wrong with NATO helping the people to be liberated from a dictator, nothing whatsoever. I hope they do it again.
It is not about access to oil or resources because that access is already there. Don't be such a simplistic Marxist thicko living in the past ignoring the facts.
A lot of people conveniently forgetting that Gaddafi was once a "progressive" "freedom fighter" and "leader of the revolution" to people in the West; he was only useful to THEM while he was an annoyance to people like Reagan and shooting down planes over Scotland.
Once he shook hands with Blair, they turned on him.
Both the Left and the Right do this. The Left, being the descendents of the Non-Conformist Anorak weirdie beardies usually couches its feelings in vapid, simpering pseudo-moral ravings.
Briar. Even if there were SAS on the ground, in all honesty what do you think would of happened if they had intervene. Two factions had Gaddaffi, one anti-Gaddffi faction wanted him dead the other wanted him to stand trial. Then out from the mob one man stepped forwards and shot Gaddafi, then said "you can have his body now, but we will take his life" there's no western conspiracy here. Just an horrible end to a horrible man..
MR Divine......you`re pissing on some of your own points?, we were dealing with this murderous dictator openly knowing what he was doing to his own people!!, "why didn`t Gaddafi just call an election", Hello, HE WAS A DICTATOR!!, the Nato operation wasn`t about regime change?, it was about protection, so why aren`t they in Syria, Iran, Tibet, Zimbabwe, Bahrain, Saudi, Etc, Etc, i think you`ll find that thousands are and have been murdered by the state in those countries!!, or is that me just being naive?, i think you`ll find that over 800,000 people where slaughtered in Rwanda!!, the so called UN force was non existant!, they admitted failure in preventing the genocide, that`s fact!, i think you`re really deluded and very naive if you don`t think the wests intervention in certain countries has nothing to do with Oil, Trade and Business?, By the way, i`m a proud anti-monarchist!, being called a Marxist thicko by a Right wing warmonger like you is a total compliment!!.
Surely the key point here, and we now have the photographic video footage to prove it, Ghadaffi was manhandled , abused, murdered and abused once he had been killed. As for scores of Misratans queuing up to take pictures of Ghadaffi in the mortuary is utterly depraved. WHat sort of society can emerge from this barbarism is not difficult to predict. Many Arabs when looking at the manner of his death will feel betrayed and humiliated. It is as if the Arab nation has been collectively humiliated again.!!!! The chance for reconciliation is gone forever because of this act.
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