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Somebody parodied it anyway:
Quote: "It's infantile in every sense, and just seems like shock value for the sake of it, the kind of angry argument that assumes voters don't have a clue and see the whole world as a series of either/or choices."
The sad truth is that a large portion of UK voters DON'T have a clue, and will vote for anything that grabs their toddler-like attention span. Yes, campaigning of this kind is the most effective - either or, black or white, yes or no. It's useless trying to make finer points, or explaining implications of choices when you consider your average voter.
We have an apathetic and politically ignorant electorate, and that is why we see this crass and frankly, offensive rubbish plastered across our street. People will swallow any sentimental, crass, X-factor like crap. That's the country we live in.
I despair sometimes, I really do.
I hear today that Nick Clegg is going to be the 'poster boy' for the NO to AV posters!
Stepping stone AV may be, but if the government can't be brave or honest enough to offer us the real thing, then we have to take baby steps. Thank God Clegg is standing his ground about something .... for now anyway.
Many people believe that AV will hit the Tories hard - which is presumably why Ed Milliband has backed it. But they haven't taken into account what a ConLib coalition - which is very highly likely, as this is the situation which evolved in Australia- would do to Labour under the AV system. On the results of the 2010 General Election - if the likely Coalition vote was combined, Labour would have lost 93 of its current 258 seats and be reduced to just 165 seats.
On top of this is the impact on Labour of the new constitution bill which removes the estimated 7% bias to Labour in seats - that would mean Labour under AV in the face of a Coalition would be reduced to a small rump of seats.
Forget the party politics and look at the facts. The Electoral Reform society website helps.
The AV referendum is the biggest change to the way we elect our politicians since the electoral reform act. So the biggest opportunity to effect changes to our own democracy for nearly 200 years. Naturally the establishment wants to maintain the status quo rather than give more power to the electorate. And what is in all the papers and on all the other media in the run up to the AV vote. The suddenly announced Royal Wedding. If that is not an example of 'bread and circuses' being used to distract the masses from something that can only benefit them I do not know what is.
People take an interest. Acting in ignorance is throwing your own freedoms down the toilet.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can spot false dichotomies, and those who want babies to die.
AV, win or lose, its not the end of the world. Voters usually end up with the Govt, or result, they deserve, whatever the system. At least the arguments will have been made, and the people will have heard. So we should be pretty relaxed about it all. To give credit to the Lib Dems, its they that brought all this on as Labour are split on the issue and the Tories in denial.
Usual sort on scare tactics that losers resort to. The fact is AV increases engagement for example in Belgium and Israel you could have about 5+ parties in a coalition, but each party brings with it a %age of votes. Add them all up and you end up with about 66% of the votes. Which is a lot better than 26% of the vote which puts a Party into Power under FPTP.
OK in Israel you may have to make deals with extreme Zionists in the Coalition.or in Belgium they still haven't ageed ona Coalition even 8 months after the GE but, but Belgium is doin ok even without a govt.
The fact is we are in an era of Coalition politics and we can't get away from it one way or the other, hether we lie it or not. The Tories surprisingly beat Labour to understanding that basic fact. Thats why they are in Govt and we are not.
There are two simple reasons for me in voting NO to AV: first, it does little or nothing for electoral reform, and secondly it is the Lib Dem prize for support of the Tories and I would like them to be disappointed.
If 'you' care about this issue - keep up the parody - Jo Public may just notice !
The AV referendum is the biggest change to the way we elect our politicians since the electoral reform act. So the biggest opportunity to effect changes to our own democracy for nearly 200 years. Naturally the establishment wants to maintain the status quo rather than give more power to the electorate. And what is in all the papers and on all the other media in the run up to the AV vote. The suddenly announced Royal Wedding. http://www.carinsurancehq.net/
Wasn't Cameron elected leader by a form of AV, with multi-round voting with losers dropping out? If the tories really support first past the post why not have a single round of voting for the leadership?
There is something not quite right with AV its followers conveniently always fail to tell us.
Something that can't readily be described in few words. It requires complex formulations about how votes are worth different things to different people, in different places, and under peculiarly different circumstances. How that complexity is somehow fairer, yet the more one digs into it the more one comes beguiled, then confused, and then disgusted...
It is the end of democracy in Britain, it is the beginning of permanent LibDem dominated coalition government; the floodgates to the slippery slope to a smooth easy patch-in to the EU-superstate.
And what we would actually lose with it? Forever the ability for us to vote out an entire political class or entire political ideology.
It is not a stepping stone to PR. No party will give us that. And certainly not the LibDems.
The LibDems love AV precisely because AV crushes the other small count parties at first count; counter to what the loving public perceive of it.
AV is nothing but the LibDem CUCKOO's egg in the nest of British democracy.
Just had the No to AV flyer through the door. Nasty shade of purple and greenish bile- very offputting. Huge pic of Cleggie on the back and a load of diatribe about LibDems, sadly rather true, as far as I can tell. As an old political hack this campaign strikes me as associating the boy Clegg inextricably with the No vote. You have to remember the proles don't bother to read anything that comes through the door and why should they indeed? They just look at the piccies for a nanosecond. Bit of an own goal I think. Oh, and I will be voting Yes, much good it will do.
Voting against voting reform in a never-to-be-repeated referendum because the party that proposed it has recently gone into your bad books?
That's like turning down your dream job because the coffee you had as you waited for the interview was tepid.
Well, maybe not quite, but it's like something ridiculous, anyway.
Here’s the best anti-AV arguments of all.
1. AV will mean more Liberal MPs.
2. AV will most likely mean the Liberals in government permanently.
3. AV is what the Liberals sold their souls for.
4. Losing the AV referendum will seriously weaken Nick Clegg and the Orange Bookers, and possibly split the party.
Don’t agree with Nick – vote No to his referendum. You know it makes sense!
This would be a laughable campaign, if not backed by The Taxpayers Alliance, who are run by a man who pays no tax in Britain.
For them the choie is no NHS, No bulletproof vests, and No to AV.
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