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Some appear to think the EDL are linked to the BNP, they are not. In fact, I'm told by a member of the BNP, they are not allowed to attend meetings of the EDL, they could be barred from the party. So, how one can say they are linked is not quite true. They do admit to saying similar things to the EDL, but the BNP do speak also for the English peoples' of these islands and people have heard this that's why they got nearly a million votes in the last elections. They have a voice and won't go away whether others dislike them or not. We should then listen to what they say, draw them out, and then make a sensible decision on if we would support them. May be their votes would drop once people know, but again they might gain more support. We supposed to live in a free democracy, and they have the same rights as everyone else, love them or hate them. In the end we the public should choose whom and what we vote for, and lets face it, what we've been given in the past few decades does not impress.
The Daily Star supporting the EDL is no real surprise. What I do find surprising is the fact that a so-called left-wing socialist magazine like the New Statesman constantly promotes a backward,violently intolerant religion and employs a two-faced Muslim bigot like Mehdi Hasan as its political editor.
I honestly can't work out if you are an EDL, or a lefty. Perhaps you have been in a deep coma during the last few years?
Israel has plans to expand and colonise surrounding Arab countries and become the regional superpower. Getting in its way however is Iran. (The other was Iraq). Israel will use the coming war on Iran as cover for ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in Gaza, and will move into south Lebanon to confront Hezbollah, and occupy the west Bank, while America uses tactical nuclear weapons on eighty or so nuclear sites scattered in Iran.
The left-wing are destroying EUROPE! not just Britain but the entire continent. Your vision of multicultralism is completely flawed, it's done nothing but spread Islam. We are not united but segregated. There is no moderate Muslim. Muslims are taught to lie, it's called taqiyya. End this madness by voting a far-right party before it's too late!
Am I going mad ? EDL supports trying to justify themselves in a semi civilised manner. I still dont understand or agree with them but they are trying to at least write as if they are out of the junior playground.
While on their facebook and chat lines it is just page after page of obscenities, racial abuse and drunken illiterate rants against trade unionists, students and anyone else not a member of their gang.
I think I know which is the true EDL and it is not on these pages.
Stick them back down the sewer.
Paul - You say you're "well educated" and then admit you fully support the EDL as they "represent the truth" - would this "truth" be the same one that proclaims Allah is a paedo and that students should be attacked for protesting for a better educated society?
There are numerous places on the internet that daily document the "truth" about the EDL, it makes for shocking reading and should deter anyone from swallowing the lies they spout.
This is an extraordinary thing to say:
"Perhaps there is a lot of latent support for the EDL from ordinary Brits who feel angry at what they see as the Islamification of their country, based on the kind of stories they read in the Star (and elsewhere, in slightly more complicated terms)."
You are claiming that all latent support for the EDL is caused by the media. What else is that sentence supposed to mean? You say 4 things
1. that "ordinary Brits" read stories in the Star ann other papers
2. that solely as a result of these stories, they perceive an "Islamification of their country"
2. that the perception causes them to be angry, and
4. this is the sole cause of "latent support for the EDL".
You run a blog pushing this theory as well. You attributing an immense power to the tabloids: you are saying they have the power to turn people into EDL supporters. You will probably deny that, but it is exactly what you are saying. You say that stories in the press are the sole and only reason, that anyone is "angry" about real or perceived Islamification.
So if that's true, and the Daily Star and other tabloids ceased publication, then there would be no "latent support for the EDL", and therefore presumably no EDL. Why this obsession with blaming the EDL (and the BNP) on the tabloid press?
Every member and supporter of the EDL choose freely, to join or support it, and they are 100% responsible for their own attitudes and political demands. The media never turned anyone into a xenophobe, no matter what they print. They simply don't have the power to do so.
Repeated claims that the tabloids are "causing" or "inflaming" xenophobia or racism, look suspiciously like an attempt to whitewash the EDL, similar organizations, and xenophobes in general. That may have something to do with the uncritical attitude of the British left to the white working class.
Firstly, have you heard of a man called 'Dr. David Kelly?' He was murdered by the intelligence services. Our Government has been killing political opponents for decades. Trouble is you are too dumb and trusting to work that out.
Don't impose your values and beliefs on another country you arrogant swine. The majority of the Iranian people support their government. America/Israel wants regime change in Iran. Idiots like you however are too dumb to work that out.
Why are so many EDL supporters on here? Is this all you do with your day? Search the internet for people who disagree with you.
We live in a democracy. 1 million people voted BNP in the last election. There are 1.5 million Muslims living in the UK.
So making a pure democratic and objective decision based on this I know who I'd be deporting.
Londoncalling is right, of course the official statements of the EDL (and BNP for that matter) are all about social inclusion and fairness. They don't have to make any official statement about believing that all Muslims are terrorists or that Britain is only a few months away from Sharia law; because they don't make these statements to win members, they make them to appear legitimate and perhaps fool a few people into thinking they aren't that bad.
Gordon, the EDL may not be polished performers in political circles, but they are visceral in their beliefs and not frightened to venture into areas where the establishment fear to tread. They speak from the heart and this passion echoes other great social movements such as the birth of the Trade Unions and the Suffragettes. They have started a battle to uphold basic human freedoms in the UK whilst many in the middle class are blissfully unaware of the horrific future we face.
As for the students, quite frankly their grievance about having to pay back a higher overdraft after leaving university and employed in a well paid job is trivial in comparison. Perhaps if they showed more respect to the memorials of those who died to protect our basic freedoms, the EDL may be more sympathetic towards them.
I think people have to ask themselves, whether the activities of the EDL is making it a better place to live or not. Is anything they are doing really going to be productive for the bigger society.
The fact they targeting big muslims communities in the UK, says it all to me. They are the type of group that will provacate a community to such a extent that they would be tensions and possible riots and then complain about such action, knowing full well they have cause these tensions. I never met a muslims in the UK who supported the 7/7 bombers.
The fact is, if EDL was in these communities and trying to interact with muslims and show them the society England pride itself on, then I wouldn't have an issue with them, instead they decide to march through muslims populated areas, with offensive banners and chants and expect the english public to believe that they are a peaceful group who have our best interest at heart.
"Perhaps if they showed more respect to the memorials of those who died to protect our basic freedoms, the EDL may be more sympathetic towards them."
...and perhaps if the EDL could tell the difference between thousands of protesters (numbering thousands) and David Gilmore's kid (numbering one), less people would assume them to be knee jerk reactionaries just looking for a fight.
How much, Lox? Give me 9-1 that a major terrorist attack will occur (false-flag or genuine)and America will use it as a pre-text for war with Iran before the year ends. Go to my forum and contact me via personal message. I will bet you any stake up to £1,000 at 9-1.
Morales, I'm sure you mean well but you are truly naive.
Islam is an ideology based on fear. "Kill the Jews, kill the gays, kill all apostates, kill all non believers, imprison women and kill them unless they submit."
Talking nicely to them is simply ineffective and many adopt the use of Taqiyya (...google it) as approx 25% of muslims supported 7/7 according to opinion polls.
The only way to break this ideology is to speak out loudly and break the cycle of fear. The mob rule mentality of the football hooligans are actually the perfect vehicle for achieving this as they are loud, intimidating but also fearless. Its these same people we send out to the battlefields and they win wars for us.
No liberal middle class politician ever dares to challenge Islam, but confronted by a baying mob on the streets and they have to listen.
Its SOOOOO glaringly obvious why the EDL have risen up so quickly. There simply aren't any active working-class groups that offer belonging and a loud voice.
Unfortunately the cause is ridiculous....seriously??? muslims are the problem when we have just been financially raped en masse by rich white bankers and have a future of increased inequality and horrible prospects??? Are the people in our prisons and causing local trouble really ALL muslim??.....
The EDL have jumped on an issue they can most (attempt to or sound like they) understand. The speeches are simply just a rounding up of support, action and togetherness against a perceived baddie. Sadly they have got their baddie all wrong.
Cameron has even come out in indirect support of EDL by saying multiculturalism doesnt work on the day of an EDL demonstration. Clever Cameron stoking the fires AWAY from him and his awful version of justice and democracy. What a great moment to pretend to support the working classes. What a joke!
If there are any EDL members on here, watch the film 'INSIDE JOB" as an intro to some of the bigger things that are threatening the working classes. Then rise up for the right reason. We need a working class voice. But it has to be an effective one (inc intelligent and non-violent). Else the people that matter will ignore it, like they did the BNP.
The working class who are highly represented in the edl and have the experience of the effects of mass immigration and the quick islamification of thier areas have no choice but to speak out and mobilise via the edl.
funny how the majority of anti-edl, left wing, pro uaf types tend to be middle/upper class and not live in these islamified ghettoes .
Sam, you silly silly man. As a Muslim I have never met another of my fellow Muslims who consider terrorism to be lawful according to the religion! Kill the jews? How about you study some history you ignorant idiot! The golden period in jewish history is when they were living under an islamic state! Kill the gays? Again what a ridiculous statement to make! Kill non believers? Surely if this was true then there wouldn't be any non Muslims in the world since the 1.6 billion Muslims would have killed them all! There is without doubt an unouthodox message of islam being preached in the U.K, however these individuals represent barely 0.001 percent of the Muslims in the UK. The group Al-mahajiroun (The people who protested against the soldiers) are banned from every mosque in Luton and are hated! Don't be so ignorant and stupid to think this is a religion of hate, surely if it was as evil as you and many others are making out, why on earth is it the fastest growing religion in the world! The world has gone mad honestly! Can you use your brain for a moment and wake up!
Paul - you say the EDL speak from the heart but many would argue that they speak from a narrow worldview fuelled by the fear-mongering right-wing tabloids. I can't see how they "venture into areas where the establishment fear to tread" unless you mean town centres fighting the police.
If they are really concerned about Islamic extremism then why don't they work with muslims fighting extremists in their own community? Probably because it doesn't tally with getting drunk, hurling abuse and having a fight with anyone they don't deem 'English'.
Matthew, I'm working class and live in an area with a large muslim population and yet I don't share a single sentiment the EDL espouse. Why is that I wonder? Probably because I'm not a thug, actually get on with people regardless of their background and don't believe everything the gutter press say.
Sam, I studied Islam alot after 9/11, to be utterly truthful, its a religion not to dis-similar to most around. You just need to look at Christianity for that, most Christian in the UK are normal, in the US, you more likely to find a few more nutjobs, you just need to watch Louis Theroux documentary on the most hated family in the US, reminds me of Anjem and Co.
Talks about Islam and the love of killing others, its interesting to understand that Islam condemn Suicide in any form. Plus the victims of suicide bombing are mostly Muslims since 9/11, its a problems that the muslims are only to aware of and need all the help they can get, you don't see muslims protesting against the injustice of Abu Hamza being prison or Bakri being deported, they loved the fact they we got rid of them.
Last thing, I am a big Football fan, who regularly watch my team play and most of us don't like or agree with the method of EDL. Unfortunately most of the members are unemployed youth who are looking around for someone to blame for their situation, it seem that this cause has set in their hearts of the next generation and things will only get worse.
Patrolling the murkier waters of the mainstream media