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Florida debate: 5 things we learned

Republican candidates clash on immigration, Fannie and Freddie and space domination.

Last night the four remaining Republican candidates took part in the final debate ahead of the primary for the battleground state of Florida on 31 January. There was a degree of role reversal in the performances; frontrunners Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney repeatedly pressed, ridiculed and challenged one another -- the former showing less fight and momentum than his polling figures have suggested in recent weeks.

The verdict has largely fallen on the side of Romney as victor; though the other two candidates, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul, held the spotlight and audience applause in surprisingly large measure at this late stage in the race for nomination.

Here's the main five things, and corresponding clips, that we learnt from last night's crucial debate for the final four GOP candidates:

1) Romney's got bite

Early in the debate, Mitt Romney shamed rival Newt Gingrich over his claim the former Governor of Massachusetts was the "most anti-immigrant candidate." Romney called Gingrich's words "absolutely inexcusable" and "repulsive", while to his right the former House Speaker stood around uncomfortably. The crowd were behind Romney, and continued so whilst he stared Gingrich straight in the face, awaiting an apology.

 

2) Paul's king of the one-liner

He's going to hold on and keep them laughing until the bitter end. Conveying policy seemed not to be at the top of Ron Paul's agenda last night, but he certainly pleased the crowd.

 

The Texas congressman is not actually running in the Florida primary, but as in previous years, his safe base of supporters (and his health) will see him through the Presidential nominee race until he is finally forced out.

 

3) Gingrich shows signs of wearing down

After the immigration scuff, Romney continued to fire accusation of inadequecy at Gingrich, who responded to the attacks with weak anecdotes and complaints. The crowd were unimpressed.

 

Over in the Marbury blog, this was Ian Leslie take on Gingrich's performance:

[Gingrich was] tetchy, overly defensive and tired. He allowed Romney, whom he clearly despises, to get under his skin. He was too easily goaded into rhapsodising about space programs, which, even in Florida (home of the Space Coast), can make him seem a little detached from reality.

4) American's don't fear China "dominating space"

During the debate Gingrich was given the opportunity to expand on his proposals to build a moon colony -- for the benefit of the US economy -- were he to become president. In response, Romney relished saying he would fire Gingrich for such an idea, were he his boss, and swiftly moved on to attacking his rival's record of making state-specific pledges, vacuously "promising billions and billions of dollars to make people happy".

 

5) Santorum is hardly running, but he probably won

He is coming last in the polls and the pockets of his campaign may be empty, but Rick Santorum made an impressive performance on stage. He emerged the most successful candidate in holding Romney to account on policy; in many ways playing the part that Gingrich failed to claim. The former Senator for Pennsylvania spoke passionately "about freedom" in an attack on Romney's health care plan. Romney called him "angry", but the crowd -- and Republican voters watching at home -- most likely share Santorum's frustration.

 

Politico praised the performance:

. . . It's safe to say that on overall points, Santorum won the debate, although it was Romney who had the standout moment.

Santorum is barely making a play in Florida, and he is leaving the state this weekend to go home and handle his taxes -- essentially ceding the stage to Romney and Gingrich. But he has been presenting himself in this race as a more "consistent" conservative alternative to Gingrich, and someone who can match Romney on leadership.

Tuesday's closed primary will see one nominee gaining the full 50 Florida delegates. In the final debate, Romney's success at pressing his close rival Gingrich on issues that are contentious for them both -- transparency of personal wealth and immgration -- appears to have knocked him back into the lead.

34 comments

John Cheese's picture

@jankersloot: Typical...I. am. your. daddy.

jankaas's picture

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"There is nothing there dude"

hilarious. now Mitt didn't say what he said, though it's there for anyone to listen to, because you prefer to just listen to another segment. lol.

fact remains Mitt said the US economy is getting better, and you've been denying that very reality for weeks. that is a fact. dude....

Andrew P Nichols's picture

“The selection of a Republican candidate for the presidency of this globalized and expansive empire is—and I mean this seriously—the greatest competition of idiocy and ignorance that has ever been,”
Fidel Castro 24/1/12
cant do better than this eloquent and obvious observation.
World - You think Drone fan OBomba is bad? - Be very afraid if any of these loonies make it to the White House.

Buckskins's picture

That's right Ian. Maybe we should elect you. How many Billions have you made? How many Millions? Have you ran a state? Were you ever elected....dog catcher...? Ok, Do you have a job.

John Cheese's picture

@jankobonkers: You make me laugh. It's all about you right? Miserable country, miserable life...

jankaas's picture

@ John

"I will take a look at the Ingraham interview with Romney, I had not heard that."

great. here's the link, quote comes from about 6:40 onwards;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6KGwvvTwIM

so according to Mitt the US economy is getting better. so is he wrong, or are you? you've been droning for weeks that the US economy is getting worse by the day...

...what is your usual side order with humble pie?

John Cheese's picture

@Nichols: why wouldn't Castro want western Europe & US to go (or stay)down Statist path?

jankaas's picture

"You make me laugh. It's all about you right?"

the irony in those 2 short sentences... calling you a sad little prick earlier today was still too generous, you are an enormously sad prick.

John Cheese's picture

^
the truth hurts. Watch Florida results Wednesday.

jankaas's picture

"the truth hurts."

sorry to hear that the US economy getting better (i.e. the truth as even Mitt Romney admits) hurts you so much. it is odd though. i don't know why you hate the US so very much?

John Cheese's picture

@jank: old & crotchety, wah, wah...

John Cheese's picture

@jank: you now dribble from both ends..

John Cheese's picture

I am amazed at the different takes on the candidates. Even without the old legacy media, Mitt blewout results in Florida. If the usual "party melding" takes place again, conservatives will be fine in the General. I ain't afraid of no Barry S...

John Cheese's picture

@jankaas: from the interview-his words: @6:10 “the President’s policies have made the recession deeper & have made the recovery more tepid. He has made things much worse & has made the recovery take longer. Will it get better some day, of course it will”. There is nothing there dude, but keep trying. If you have spent the time watching him in the TV debates, it's plain he is trashing 0bam's lack of clear economic planning & no budget in Dem Senate for 1,000 days. Watch the Florida results & find out.

jankaas's picture

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28 January 2012 at 09:14

John Cheese's picture

@jankaas

^ 30 January 18:28

Who's your daddy?

John Cheese's picture

^ 28 Jan 2012 17:08

jankaas's picture

28 January 2012 at 09:14

jankaas's picture

which one of them was Stephen Colbert in disguise..? or is it just me.

jankaas's picture

"join the TEA PARTY"

hilarious.

John Cheese's picture

hey Jankass: you would follow a comedian as a politician. He & Stewart were totally embarrassed by their "copy" of the Glen Beck 400,000 person Washington DC event. Theirs was a flop. You are such a loser!

jankaas's picture

^
you'd have a point if i'd said anywhere that Mitt would lose. go on, where did i say this?

as ever the issue you squirm away from is this one; "fact remains Mitt said the US economy is getting better, and you've been denying that very reality for weeks."

so untill you acknowledge this accusation is factually accurate you remain a 'ball-less wonder'. and it takes balls to be a daddy.

Manuel Labor's picture

@juju: I agree with your assessment. Also, 0boe's magic is gone this time & he's tanked the economy...

jankaas's picture

^
i see you still don't 'get' irony...

"You are such a loser!"

charming. here we are again. you go from thread to thread, desperately trying to get my attention. you're stalking "a loser". what does that make you?

do go away you sad little prick.

John Cheese's picture

@jank-a-stank: 0bama says 57 states- so what, is that gospel too? We're at the bottom of a ditch. Food stamp recipients up 41% since Jan 2009 to 45 million people. Keep trying wanker...

jankaas's picture

@Manuel Labor

" 0boe's magic is gone this time & he's tanked the economy..."

strangely enough only last week Mitt Romney said on live radio that Obama has managed to improve the US economy with his policies;

"INGRAHAM: You’ve also noted that there are signs of improvement on the horizon in the economy. How do you answer the president’s argument that the economy is getting better in a general election campaign if you yourself are saying it’s getting better?

ROMNEY: Well, of course it’s getting better. The economy always gets better after a recession, there is always a recovery. […]

INGRAHAM: Isn’t it a hard argument to make if you’re saying, like, OK, he inherited this recession, he took a bunch of steps to try to turn the economy around, and now, we’re seeing more jobs, but vote against him anyway? Isn’t that a hard argument to make? Is that a stark enough contrast?

ROMNEY: Have you got a better one, Laura? It just happens to be the truth."

so how come you know better than Mitt?

John Cheese's picture

@jankaas: I will take a look at the Ingraham interview with Romney, I had not heard that. Contrasts with everything Romney has said in the debates about Barack & the economy. Romney is the strongest Capitalist running, bar none. The most blame for the US recession has to be placed on Democrats Frank & Dodd for the strengthening/continuation of HARP program.

John Cheese's picture

@jank: The civilian labor force tumbled to a fresh 30 year low of 63.7%. 1.2 million more people dropped out of labor force in Dec 2011. So much for your theory...Landslide coming! Check it: www.zerohedge.com

jankaas's picture

^

you can't stay on topic and you can't be honest, so i can't be bothered. stew in your own piss, i'm done with you for good. bye.

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