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Even on the issue of housing alone where we already have a shortage it is madness to have a population growing as rapidly as ours. Still, it helps keep the demand for housing high, providing rich multi property owning landlords with more tenants and helps keep house prices high.

According to George Eaton ed Miliband is always wrong and always manages to do the wrong thing, good job Ed doesn't listen to him or he wouldn't be in double digit lead in all the opinion polls.

I wonder when the Multinational firms will stop investing in East-Europe then, as I lost two employments when the freedom of Europe proposed on the only British EEC transfer of our employment to East Europe.

I forgot we had the Welsh lobby at Westminster blowing away billions of UK taxpayer monies, to fitly fund their local communities, and was a sort of Welsh Silicone Valley, only trouble was when the EU came along all that was left were the cottage industries, as hey the incentives to invest within the European mainland, instead of letting the UK be part of that system of political bribe inducement.

It was at that time billions went out of the pension funds to invest in Welsh industry, seems that all is left is the cannibalised skeleton of the skeleton.

I remember two former EU Commissioners elevated to the House of Lord's, one was a Liberal socialist whom was educated, and the other was a socialist ??????... sorry I have age related amnesia arriving fast!

It seems as though the later Socialist EU Commissioner had class envy... but hey he was my MP and was there thirteen times a years to his Parliamentary local people surgery, and if he could not make it there he had his volunteers , local acting and unpaid.

They loved to think they were mixed up with the bankers, like the one that appointed their MP to post. I forgot he lived in London and entertained the locals when a Miner's Strike was ongoing 140 miles from the scene of the action.

Can we stop hitting at the Polish as the point was East Europeans, indeed most East Europeans may work for lower wages, or else they go home and pay far less taxes and still have to work.

I never knew the Polish spoke all languages other than any EU European and are filling up properties in Manchester that the British cannot get.

The new slave-masters are the employment agencies and the new Rachman's (landlords) know a councillor or two, or private renting agencies, whom often employ people that are akin to being Polish that speak any language but European.

You would think with the fact the British are either classes as ill-equipped, and have not been taught anything in schools, well that is a perception rather than the reality, as they are taught often by what education is perceived to be, not what it ought to be.

If I left school today I would be jobless, yet have been a councillor, a civil servant, and have paid more in taxes than many within my lifetime, no I did not have Ken Dodds accountants, nor Lester Piggots either, nor was I in a position as Prime Minister to criticise a comedian for his tax freedom, when as Prime Minister (when fully (if) elected to post) claimed the maximum in death duties from his fathers estate, and as a result the family trust in the Windies, survives well funded for when he retires, and whenever his great great grandchildren ad infinitum retire, of course this is only a fallacy as Mr Prime Minister in waiting would never do tax avoidance nor benefit from such would he.and then mock a comedian for doing the same.

Mr PC Prime Minister is blind to his failures as are many at Westminster, and I am not being personal as I cannot remember his name, so irrelevant is he.

Mind you I was brought up in St Chad's school Cheetham Hill, where those that fled Russia. or East Europe got preferential treatment, so they learnt the language and indeed most of the class were ignored when these people arrived in class, as there was a Cold War on then. But fair play for their families they never claimed benefit, nor had free money for not working, a different class then. Even the failures in my school could not get a job in the paper shop, filling shelves in a supermarket, nor in the bars today,mind you they did not get benefit and made their way - often through scrap-dealing and car-crushing, even doing recycling when it was illegal - mind you they never stole, just made money out of waste - you done that or starved.

I think we ought to look at the waste in Westminster and those that point only at Europeans being the cause of the problem, as most Polish women working support their family even if their husbands do not, I know of unemployed East European women living in hostels in Southwark that spend their day making-up their faces and end up coming back 5am still without employment.

I am sorry Mr Miliband can only look at Europeans as the problem.

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Ephesians 4:25 ( KJV; 1611 EDITION ) reads as follows:
"Wherefore putting away lying, speake euery man truth with his neighbour : for we are members one of another."
The reference to the "lump of labour fallacy" indicates a dishonest approach to the reality of unemployment for some people in this world.

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HOW IRONIC:

Born in London, Miliband is the younger son of Polish Jewish immigrants. His mother, Marion Kozak, a human rights campaigner and early CND member, survived the Holocaust thanks to being protected by Roman Catholic Poles. His father, Ralph Miliband, was a Belgian-born Marxist academic, who fled with his parents to England during World War II

'Had Labour imposed transitional controls on EU migration, the jobs that went to Polish workers wouldn't have gone to British workers, they wouldn't have existed at all.'

Why's that? Because the Polish workers were willing to work for less than the British workers? That's what undercutting means. Do you really think the government encouraged mass immigration out of love for their fellow man? If you haven't got a reserve army of labour to keep wages down, import one.

In a sense, this is a predictable response based on the current Depression (call it what it is). Milliband and Cameron will never do any of these:

Admit that the total global debt can never be repaid
Endless bailouts for banks, corporations and countries won't solve the problem

Instead, when a large percentage are unemployed, who's the first to lash out at? Naturally the "foreigners" who only want to come here and live off benefits (an other total rubbish). It's an easy way to score political points. Milliband will try to spin it so it doesn't have the harsh Tory tone to it. However, that's what he's trying for.

Will he succeed? I doubt it. Others say that immigrants and a multi-cultural society mean there's no more "free speech"? What does THAT mean? Does that mean you wish for the good old Reagan/Thatcher days when racism against immigrants was coded, but at least we didn't have to censor every bloody thought that came to mind?

If you then put limits on immigration, who decides the numbers? Put a total freeze on immigration? What good would that do? Are you going to deport all illegal immigrants? Where will the govt. get the money? Like it or not, a multi-cultural society is here to stay because it's a global economy. If you deported every illegal person in the UK, who would do all of those jobs? How many non people of color do you see doing lots of minimum wage service jobs? How many do you see in the States picking lettuce in a field for usually less than minimum wage ($7.25 an hr. US) under slave labor conditions? Almost none. Why is that?

Put away the dream of going back to the "good old days" when women stayed home, union leaders were putn in jail and people of color stayed in their place. Deal with 21st century realities.

"The belief that migrants take jobs that would otherwise have gone to domestic workers is a precise illustration of the "lump of labour fallacy": the notion that there is a finite amount of work available and that jobs must be shared out accordingly."

Don't muddy the waters with the bogus "fallacy" claim. There is, in fact, a "finite" amount of paid work available. If you can find an "infinite" amount of paid work, I will pay you a gadzillion dollars.

"In fact, the evidence we have suggests that immigration increases labour demand as well as labour supply, which leads to an increase in the number of jobs available. "

The evidence "suggests" no such thing. Economists refer to the evidence when they suggest it. A more reasonable interpretation of that evidence is that economic activity fueled by expanding credit increases both labour demand and labour supply through immigration. But when you want to show that your rain dance has made it rain, you'll clutch at any straw.

We are often told by many liberal/left wing commentators that cultural and racial diversity has made an immensely positive contribution to life in the UK. The late Robin Cook spoke of how chicken tikka masala has become the nation dish of Britain; Tony Benn said the fact that some 20% of schoolchildren coming from ethnic minority backgrounds provide ‘a wonderful snapshot of multicultural Britain’.

However what about the politics of race and multiculturalism? Nowadays freedom of speech is curtailed for the sake of ‘multicultural harmony’ under the fascist restriction of political correctness. This has undermined British identity in many ways including those labour controlled councils of Hounslow and Lewisham who refuse to fly the Union Jack from their council buildings on the charge that the union jack is ‘socially divisive’.

We are told by politicians of the economic benefits of mass immigration to the UK. Indeed it is true that mass immigration has provided a cheap supply of labour to businesses, which has kept prices and inflation low and has helped employers to fill positions where apparently British workers have not had adequate skills to fulfil the role.

However, the cheap supply of labour provided by mass immigration has kept the minimum wage low, helping to sustain higher profits for employers but thereby making the gap between high and low income earners more profound and kept the lowest income earners in a cycle of poverty. The ability of employers to recruit skilled workers from abroad has robbed British workers of the opportunity to be trained to have the skills to undertake certain employment.

In housing the Labour Government had failed to build enough council houses meaning that the supply of housing has been inadequate to meet the need of the settled population to the extent where there are some 1.6 million people waiting for council accommodation. This problem is of course exacerbated by mass immigration where newcomers often seek cheap private and council housing.

The way that attitudes to assimilation into UK life for immigrants has been mismanaged. Indeed look at areas of Luton, Bradford, Birmingham and East London where immigrant communities have transformed the area to match their way of life to the country from which they came. It seems that there is too much emphasis from immigrants on the country from which they are from –and not the one they are in! It has got to the point where a recent opinion poll found that 40% of all Muslims in the UK want to live under Sharia Law, which is in effect holding the established laws of the UK in contempt.

More ignorance on display. The mass immigration is massively destructive. They do take jobs that otherwise go to British, because they are willing to work for cheaper. And so the neo-liberal EU is great for greedy corporations and banks wanting cheaper labor but devastating for anyone else.

The Labour government have often sung the praises of multicultural Britain. We are given an account of British life where whites, blacks and Asians live side by side in perfect harmony. But as someone who has lived in London for the past 8 years and in Luton for four years prior to that I would have to challenge Labours assertion.
Areas of Luton (namely Bury Park) are dominated by one ethnic group....Pakistani Muslims; in London places like Wembley are dominated by blacks with very few white people living there. In Southall Indians dominate the locality; in areas of the East End of London (Brick Lane to name one place) is dominated by Bangladeshis. When areas such as this are populated largely by one ethnic group is this really evidence of a blossoming multicultural society? I think not. What is happening in these areas is that they are being COLONISED by certain ethnic groups. It is fair to say that London consists of a patchwork of different communities with different interests and agendas ...the demand for sharia law by some muslims being one example. This trend is a threat to the stability and the cohesion of this country.

Miliband - getting tough on immigration - what utter b*llocks. Not only will this man say anything to get into power - but trying to come across as sympathetic with peoples legitimate concerns about the impact of uncontrolled mass immigration into the UK is a bit like trying to close the stable door after the horse has bolted.

What politicians say doesn't matter - because there is a whale of a difference between what politicians say and what they actually deliver. Labour will say anything to try and get back into power - so I don't believe a word he or his party say.

Btw: has anyone else noticed that Ed Miliband is sounding more and more like Tony Bliar?

There are 2 separate issues here. Firstly, at the time, New Labour claimed that only a few immigrants would want to come in. Their estimate was miles off, no doubt they have something to apologise for regarding that.

Secondly, there's the effect of the immigration itself. I live in Merseyside, and even with the unemployment levels here, most of the hotels in the area employ eastern europeans, and most of the care companies employ african immigrants. It really doesn't make a lot of sense, but I suspect a large part of the problem is a perception among sections of the native population that it isn't worth working, compared to what's available on benefits. The system needs to ensure that people are significantly better off when they do work. This is a failing of all governments going back generations, not just New Labour.

The elephant in the room:

HOW HAS MASS IMMIGRATION BENEFITTED THE WHITE WORKING CLASSES?

"the jobs that went to Polish workers wouldn't have gone to British workers, they wouldn't have existed at all."

That maybe true for some of the jobs, but certainly not for things like care home assistants. I am all for academic studies, but they aren't going to change the person in the street's perception.

The mistake made by the government in 2004 was to ignore the impact of the other EU countries having a restriction on the number of migrants from the new EU countries would have on the UK. It obviously meant that we would become the number one destination. But it also meant we would reap the benefits as much as the cost comapred to the likes for France and Germany.